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Posted: 6/6/2008 9:31:14 AM | | Are you forgetting about WWII and who Italy sided with? They still have their flag. The whole thread was started on rights and not anything else. This has turned into people making comments that they know nothing about and are actually showing how "ignorant" they really are (look up the word "ignorant" in Webster's). | |
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Posted: 6/6/2008 9:47:45 AM |
There are a lot of good people in the South that you have insulted. You need to either correct your comments or stop posting to this thread
My apologies Cajun....I mistakenly lumped all southerners together when I truly was refering to the gung ho yahoo types hooping and hollering about a 30'x50' flag on a monster flagpole, the ones defendng their southern heritage by "proudly" displaying
the confederate flag. Is southern redneck appropriate? I certainly did not mean to stereotype and perhaps should have been more specific in my definition when I mentioned "southerners"..... my bad. I apologize....... And to Topgear, ya, the Dorothy comment was a bit outta line....lol....My apologies to you too.......Cajun, LSU still sucks .....Go Buckeyes.... | |
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Posted: 6/6/2008 11:49:15 AM | | Accepted and even with understanding. The understanding is that Blackeyes don't like the South. First Fla gives them a butt beating and then, they were not satisfied and decided to ask the Cajuns to fight. Not a bright move by a team from up North. Might want to reconsider who the intelligent ones are LOL | |
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Posted: 6/16/2008 5:54:38 PM | | The flag is not racist for God's sake. I am so sick of hearing it. I can point out a few things. I think is racist against white but we wont go there. | |
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Posted: 6/26/2008 12:59:13 PM | WOW! What a great thread! It shows rampant lack of knowledge of soooooo many northerners and southerners with respect to the Civil War!
The Confederate Battle flag is far less a symbol of oppression than the Union Flag that flew over the same state capitals for almost 100 years before the Civil War started, the same flag that flew when slavery was accepted by all.
It's no more oppressive than the Union Flag carried into battles that slaughtered thousands of Native Americans... If anything the Confederate Battle flag is a symbol of rebellion against oppressive government (hence the monikers "Rebels" "Johnny Reb" etc).
I have ancestors from either side of the Mason Dixon line and had relatives fighting on both sides of the Civil War. I do not fly the Confederate Battle Flag, but I am not in the least offended by it, nor do I think anyone else should be, at least anyone who isn't ignorant of actual history.
If the offending issue is truly slavery, then wouldn't it be more prudent to be offended by the flag of the country that sold people into slavery (Africa), and the flag of the country that allowed them to be bought and sold as slaves (Stars & Stripes) rather than the Confederate Battle Flag (Stars & Bars)?
It’s appalling how the self proclaimed “educated” and “enlightened” disregard historical fact to align themselves with the rampant ignorance that drives political correctness. If I’m not mistaken, one of the more prolific contributors to this thread, blatantly ignorant of the facts surrounding the flag and the Civil War, is (or was) a teacher in the local public school system … frightening…. | |
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Posted: 7/25/2008 9:43:08 AM | FYI, I believe any business has a right to limit access to its property by any item it deems offensive, and we as consumers have the right to boycott those businesses whose policies conflict with our own beliefs.
That's the best you got???? I don't recall the Stars and stripes or the bible (in this country) enslaving people and trampling on their constitutional rights as the "Battle" flag of the confederacy certainly did......We ain't in Kansas no more Dorothy.
The argument trying to justify the Stars and Bars is just weak, just plain weak like the mentality driving it......
Slavery was the main issue for the civil war? I don’t know what history books you’re reading, but history does not indicate it as such….
The Civil War April 12, 1861 – April 9, 1865, was a result of Southern States refusal to accept Lincoln’s push to have an all powerful central government.
The first government action against slavery came by two executive orders, not a singular congressional vote as is commonly (and mistakenly) assumed. “ The first one, issued September 22, 1862, declared the freedom of all slaves in any state of the Confederate States of America that did not return to Union control by January 1, 1863. The second order, issued January 1, 1863, named the specific states where it applied.”
As you can see, the war which lasted almost 4 years to the day was in it’s 17th month before ANY anti-slavery action was ever undertaken, and was nearly half over before executive order freed slaves in states which it (by the legislative proclamation of succession) had no jurisdiction over. Even that document did not abolish slavery; it merely abolished slavery in the Confederacy. Slavery was STILL legal and practiced in the border states (Kentucky, Missouri, Maryland, Delaware, and West Virginia, as well as the New Orleans region of Louisiana) up until the 13th amendment was ratified by Congress on December 18th, 1865, some 8 + months AFTER the end of the Civil War. That’s right fellow fishies, the last states to outlaw slavery were NORTHERN, which I believe were under the stars and stripes banner, not the stars & bars…..
To give you a historical perspective of how key the issue of slavery was in the US Presidential Election of 1864, with ONLY the north voting, Lincoln beat George McClellan by less than 10% of the popular vote. That means that 45% of the north was NOT in favor of Lincoln’s approach to an all powerful central government and his wartime actions regarding the issue of slavery. (McClellan’s platform was anti-war and favored a diplomatic / negotiated end with immediate cessation of hostilities.) To me, the narrow victory is a representation of precisely what the South indicated was their reason for succession, a measured response to a few elitists who presumed the authority to dictate the limits of states rights, while not restricting their own rights to function in the same manner.
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Posted: 7/25/2008 10:14:09 AM | | I thought this thread would die down, but, I guess you want to get your two cents in. Well, we all got them in and dropped the subject. It's an endless arguement that will get nobody anywhere with only hard feelings being the outcome. Let it rest!!!! | |
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Posted: 7/25/2008 11:58:07 AM | I personally think it's a good thing. It gets people talking about rights in america.
What about the Patriot Act?
What about how our american flag is viewed in other countries?
What if they were to take away are right to bear arms?
Why does the KKK wave the American Flag?
Was slavery the only issue during the civil war?
Personally I think we have bigger issues facing our future than whether or not someone should be allowed to wave a historical artifact or not. The media always is selectively distracting our attention from our prime concerns so the status quo can have there way with us.
They are forcing upon us the same issues the British did before the Revolutionary war and we won the fight with Gorilla warfare. The same tactic Al Qaeda uses in Afghanistan and Iraq. Lets bring our men home NOW!
Darlin don't bring no green tomatoes home today
my units ship-in' out tomorrow don't know when I'll be back
they're send-in' us to the front line and things aren't so devine
for men with families getting sent over to Iraq
Make sure they're ripe Ruskins
you know your Johnny Reb like them red
make sure we've got plenty napkins
you know how they like to run down my chin
Make sure they call 'em Beefsteaks
you know your Johnny Reb likes them big
and pray we'll be home next year
yeah pray we wont be dead
because me and the boys will be coming home
with heads full of shock and heads full of awe
if we come home alive from Iraq
were gonna shove a smart bomb up some Texans oiled up ass
hey on another note anybody want to go on a date......
peace on and offshore,
FishinForReel | |
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Posted: 7/31/2008 8:50:52 AM | Most of the men who fought for the South didn't own slaves, they were fighting to protect their women and children and their way of life. The Confederate flag was a symbol to them of home.
When we place our hands over our hearts and pledge allegiance to the American flag we aren't supporting a temporary political agenda, or a particular principle or ideology...we are paying tribute to our home. Whatever that means to us.
~ Carol | |
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