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Posted: 6/26/2008 8:44:04 PM | Come on class. I leave for a while to do some observations and everybody is turning into deadheads. Look alive and don't start breaking the rules when I go to my study. Remember now none of this or this or this or this or this or this or tis . We only want this and this and this  and this and once in a while some of this, if done with no malice . Then we don't need the flakey moderator to infringe on our 2nd amendment because we will have to do this . Now let me please remind you that you must be aware of the reason the topic on this forum was brought forth to begin with. Please read this very carefully and remember please not to start the swearing and cussing if you cannot understand plain English. I will even translate into German if you would like. Verstehen sie? I hope we have come to an amicable agreement that this is somewhat of a debate and new thoughts are always welcome. My theories are not supposed to follow logic or factual evidence at this time. This is why I call it a theory. However if you would read my theory very carefully, you would see that it could explain some of the problems they are having with current theories. Remember, and I will repeat this once again. Einstein himself stated that if you have to explain something in terms that only you and a select other few could understand, you really didn't understand it yourself. I am attempting to state my theory in terms presentable to a grade school student. Let the mathematicians and astronomers and every other qualified individual prove it not a fact or otherwise. I am not interested in proving it yet because it is still a general theory and the things that need to be proved or disapproved are not yet stated in completion. However the theory is, I think,d of some interest in this forum inasmuch as it could possibly show that the rogue planet previously discussed could actually be out there in one of the spheres that are loosely described in my original very generalized theory and just hasn't swung by on it's outer edge of it's sphere. It however seems, at least to me, that it could explain at least some of the mysteries that aren't qualified by our known form of logic also known as mathematics or quantum physics or whatever man made term you wish to call it. I, for one, will readily admit that math bores me immensely. And I would not be concerned with proving anything mathematically. If you get a chance, read my original theory of relativity for the new millennium, with the mind of a child at play and forget about all that you already feel you know. Even forget about gazing at the moon as I suggested as this was only something that appeared to me as a way to explain this theory in the form of an observation as opposed to a formula. It may even help us to understand what gravity actually is. I will come forth with any new thoughts in a timely manner and do not desire fame or fortune and have no title or reputation to tarnish. Any help along the way is more than welcome but derogatory remarks will not dissuade me from stating my thoughts that are not just a loose cannon that I am shooting from my hip. Many, many hours of observation, research and thinking have gone into what I have stated and I have no hidden agenda for glory or attention. No one is required to even read what I am just beginning to propose. When you see my shady face on the left hand side of this column just move on. Or perhaps it may be of some interest to you because after all, it is a fresh and novel approach to something that has puzzled mankind ever since he could process thoughts logically or illogically. I intend to refine my theory and actually have some refinement in place that has not been stated to anyone to date. I f my theory is even distantly remotely related to fact, it could explain where the mysterious earth destroying planet would come from. And maybe all the Year 2012 people would have something new to fit into their own child like thinking. That is how I learned to ride a bicycle. I thought it out and eventually was brave enough to apply my thoughts to the task at hand, faltering somewhat at first, but eventually attaining my goal. Thank you for your attention and keep up the good work. Daniel
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| We are all alone in space and time.
Posted: 6/27/2008 11:07:30 AM | Even travelling at the speed of light, a signal from a distant solar system can take centuries to reach earth. The chances of such a signal crossing our path within the time that the human race has the technology to detect it is extremely small, even if the number of intelligent species out there is (or was) large.
The Hitchhikers Guide said it best: "Space is big. REALLY big." | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 9:08:49 PM | I submit the possibility however that instead of thinking that life on earth was seeded from another planet or solar system or asteroid, and we pursued the "big bang" theory we could very well be the center of this "big bang". Somewhat like making the perfect diamond by splitting it with all the rest of the matter flying out from the center with gravity even explained by the opposing velocities pulling from all directions. This may kind of contradict others beliefs and may cast some doubt on what others think the big bang was or where it originated. Some planets have not escaped the heliocentric center and haven't got the escape velocity to do it now, hence our solar system's existence. You are in the center of the universe however no matter where you are if you really think about it. If it is without end and no boundaries you individually are always at dead center. No math needed to prove this. The curvature of space time is an illusion. If you took a piece of glass as in a crystal ball and were inside looking out beyond the sphere which is in essence the universes, the distortion would be from looking through the glass. In different terms. If you took all the stars, solar systems and every dust particle in space, it is merely a glass sphere as looked at through an electron microscope where these planets, etc then appear as being somewhat distant from each other. When viewing through this from earth you are basically looking through curved glass and thereby not seeing things in a straight forward line of site but at a curved and thereby illusionary view. This could also account for the "red" and or "blue" shift in the prismatic parameters as viewed through a curved glass. Using a drawing such as was done in the Kochanski approximation would be the best non-mathematical way of illustrating it such as in this drawing of the mathematical viewing of pi. For better explanation I have changed it from a simple drawing into a 3d prismatic picture. However I cannot post the picture on this site, but it is quite interesting what is seen in it. I can forward to anyone interested.
I submit the possibility however that instead of thinking that life on earth was seeded from another planet or solar system or asteroid, and we pursued the "big bang" theory we could very well be the center of this "big bang". Somewhat like making the perfect diamond by splitting it with all the rest of the matter flying out from the center with gravity even explained by the opposing velocities pulling from all directions. This may kind of contradict others beliefs and may cast some doubt on what others think the big bang was or where it originated. Some planets have not escaped the heliocentric center and haven't got the escape velocity to do it now, hence our solar system's existence. You are in the center of the universe however no matter where you are if you really think about it. If it is without end and no boundaries you individually are always at dead center. No math needed to prove this. The curvature of space time is an illusion. If you took a piece of glass as in a crystal ball and were inside looking out beyond the sphere which is in essence the universes, the distortion would be from looking through the glass. In different terms. If you took all the stars, solar systems and every dust particle in space, it is merely a glass sphere as looked at through an electron microscope where these planets, etc then appear as being somewhat distant from each other. When viewing through this from earth you are basically looking through curved glass and thereby not seeing things in a straight forward line of site but at a curved and thereby illusionary view. This could also account for the "red" and or "blue" shift in the prismatic parameters as viewed through a curved glass. Using a drawing such as was done in the Kochanski approximation would be the best non-mathematical way of illustrating it such as in this drawing of the mathematical viewing of pi. For better explanation I have changed it from a simple drawing into a 3d prismatic picture which I can send to anyone interested. It is related to this thread because it shows what I believe is where life actually was first and then seeded the cosmos with life, but whether anything survived is yet to be proven. | |
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| We are all alone in space and time.
Posted: 6/30/2008 4:51:36 AM | "Spook action at a distance" Boo
Just wanted to get your attention, lol. Great thread Kaptdan and great thoughts by many good people here.
One of the points I would like to make, well, has already been said. Probably done best by "I am 5ft5" back in post 74. In other words as far as radio signals go do we even know what we are listening for?
Any civilization that has taken the steps required to travel into space will have many problems to solve as we all know. There are some far out theorys that begin to solve the problems of time dilation and breaking the light speed barrier, which would be needed to keep in touch with your home world in your own time frame when traveling these great distances, but lets take another look at communication for a second.
In quantum mechanics there seems to be a feature popularly known as "spooky action at a distance." Basically this shows that if two identical particles are separated and some characteristic of one particle, like its spin, is altered the other particle will instantaneously and spontaneously alter itself in exactly the same way. Clearly such a phenomenon violates relativity, but what if this property could be used in communication? Several experiments have been done and it seems that the change is instantaneous regardless of the distances involved.
To sum up, we may be looking in the wrong direction for signals from ET, instead of looking in the slow EM spectrum perhaps there is a much faster medium right in the atomic structure.
Clearly our line of thinking at this point in focusing on the EM spectrum so much is blocking our path to the stars, perhaps we need to look a little closer to home... | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 6:08:32 AM | Another thought for the day as I head out for my regular activities...
Using Einsteins special theory as described earlier in this thread, we here on earth are experiancing our own time frame given the speed of the earths rotation and its speed of the orbit around the sun and the suns speed though space and so on, we are stuck in our own time frame.
If we see another planet that say is rotating 200 times faster on its axis and orbits its sun in a few days making the overall speed of this planet many times faster than our own, then that planet exists in a different time frame than our own. Moving faster than us anyone living on that planet would experiance time moving at a slower rate than us relative to all other planets moving slower than it.
Backing up for a second, Eistein himself said that if you placed a stop watch at the equator and one at the pole, the stop watch at the equator show time passing slower than the one at the pole since you are moving faster at the equator then at the pole.
Now take that theory to the extreme and think of all the different speeds of all the objects moving in space, while the difference in time may not be that much for a difference of a few thousand miles an hour here and there, we have to remember that the universe is on the order of 13.7 billion years old, given the difference in speed of different objects over that long a time span, the difference in time frames from one point to another becomes enormous. The universe itself is fragmented in time...
Think about that the next time you do some star gazing... | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 8:44:23 AM | | ZeroSpazz metions Quantum Entanglement (aka 'spooky action at a distance'). Couldn't this be used somehow to communicate instantly without having to worry about distance? I don't think any work is being done with it other than something to point to and say "neat eh?" | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 12:42:39 PM | | Your right Sam, I think I jumbled that paragraph a bit, didn't mean to make it sound like they had done work in that field, just a wacky idea I came up with when I heard about the spooky action... | |
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Posted: 7/1/2008 10:32:42 PM | How long did the Native Americans live with their culture completely unaware of the battles that were being fought in Europe, Asia, and Africa. The Persians, Romans, Greeks, not to mention many smaller Germanic and African tribes along with the Chinese and Japanese waged war with each other for centuries unaware that other humans existed an ocean away. This is on the same PLANET. Finally contact did take place in the 15th century (and earlier if you count the early Viking voyages). The fact that contact didn't occur until this time didn't mean that the Native Americans weren't there prior.
Have you seen the pictures of the isolated tribe in South America? Supposedly these people have no contact with the rest of the world. If that can happen here on Earth imagine how difficult contact might be for us throughout the galaxy.
Also, it could be that most of the intelligent life in the universe has difficulty developing radio technology. If not for our survival of the Toba Catastrophe (google it) or the emergence of the dark ages, which lasted about 1000 years, we wouldn't even have radios.
Further, our television and radio signals are diffcult to pick-up because of background EM waves being emitted by nearby stars. Even if you knew exactly where to point your radio telescope, it would be difficult to pick-up a radio signal and differentiate it from all other EM waves.
Lastly, it could be that because of frequent gamma ray bursts in our past, intelligent life is just now starting to develop radio technology in different parts of the galaxy. Radio waves are limited to the speed of light. A planet 1000 lightyears away wouldn't be detectable until 1000 years after the signal was sent. That's assuming that there is anyone around to receive the signal given that radio technology and nuclear technology are probably developed at about the same time for other species the way it happened here. | |
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Posted: 7/2/2008 8:57:38 AM | We've really only had "intelligence" for the past 100 years (30 yrs really). It's pretty safe to say we're only scratched the surface when it come to communications.
Although I think "entagled" communication is the cat's meow, where to look and how to recognise when a spin has been deliberately reversed makes my right eye twitch. But if we look in this area, I'd gamble on the "eyes in the dark, one moon circles." scenario from the TNG "Night Terrors" episode. | |
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Posted: 7/2/2008 9:15:03 AM | Sam, that last part would explain why I had really bad insomnia a while ago.
And when I did manage to get some sleep, my dreams seemed to focus around specials advertised for a Joe's Space Gas and Cosmic Grill. | |
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Posted: 7/2/2008 10:25:13 AM | I remember that episode Sam, someone needed some hydrogen for some reason..
Anyway, besides the benifits of being able to run commercials in our heads while we sleep maybe the government could use it as another way to control us, maybe I should keep my mouth shut...
Well since we are on the verge of computer memory at the molecular level, no joke, I am not so sure this is to far out of the realm of possibility. Electronic communication is based on vibrations in the EM spectrum anyway, why shouldn't we be able to monitor vibrations on the sub atomic level and not necassarily spin...
Just my thought for the day.... | |
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