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| Who the best person for me to vote for?
Posted: 5/7/2008 6:02:10 PM | Suthn_Boy -- I totally agree with you that our choices are depressing, but no way will I vote for someone who tolerates racism. At the very least we know that John McCain is not a bigot.
If I vote for no one, or I write in a candidate I could be helping Obama. If I vote for McCain, at least Obama is one vote more away from occupying the White House.
I'm not sure how being in the Senate forever gives one "experience". Is someone a better candidate because they voted for 20,000 bills instead of 2,000?
Is McCain somehow able to get bipartisan support better than the others? If so, show me.
McCain–Feingold Act ring a bell?
How about the pending McCain-Kennedy immigration reform bill?
McCain's also supported the following legislation with Democrats (which didn't pass):
McCain-Edwards-Kennedy patient rights bill?
So, lets give Obama a chance to bring relief and hopefully some good changes.
Blech, no racist Presidents for me. 
Oh, and thanks for the history lesson. One of my masters degrees is in history from an Ivy League institution, but that pales in comparison to learnin' history on the internet .
BTW, you may not have noticed, but there are black Republicans. | |
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| Who the best person for me to vote for?
Posted: 5/7/2008 8:50:07 PM | "Blech, no racist Presidents for me."
Fly, that will not work. All the talking heads of the extreme right-wing (O'Reilly, Limbaugh, et al.) will have to recognize that they failed in their effort to pump up Hillary so they could continue spewing racial hate pointing their finger to Obama, accusing him of being a racist. The people of North Carolina didn't buy it, nor did the people of Indiana. Hillary will ask her supporters to work hard to make sure that Obama wins in November. I wonder if the "Clinton or McCain people" will continue using Hillary's name to spew their racial hate against Obama and justify their calls to vote for McCain. South'n Boy will not fall for that.
I am glad that you had the opportunity to get a graduate degree in history, and at an ivy league institution no less. If you disagree with what I said in my discussion with Poco, state your points and reasons. Just saying that you attended an ivy league school is not going to send me running to hide under my bed. Bring it on, I am not trembling. By the way, I don't have to drop the names of the colleges and universities where I have taught, in order to give legitimacy to what I write. I let my writing stand on its own. And no, I haven't learnt history on the Internet, and history is not my field. My training is more in the connection of writing and ideology, which helps me to understand what I read and see through the ploys and deceitful language. I like exposing the ideas hidden in the language and in writing styles.
And a second BTW, yes, there are blacks in the Republican Party. So what? Is it a really meaningful percentage? A lot of the black people are working people, and they are also poor. They don't have jobs paying them high wages. They could use a raise. Is the Republican Party leading the fight to increase the minimum wage in this country? | |
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| Who the best person for me to vote for?
Posted: 5/8/2008 9:33:18 AM |
which helps me to understand what I read and see through the ploys and deceitful language. I like exposing the ideas hidden in the language and in writing styles. So what did you make of the TUCC website , Black Liberation Theology,Dr Cones writings or Michelles thesis? | |
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| Who the best person for me to vote for?
Posted: 5/8/2008 10:51:03 AM | | Why don't you start a thread about that topic, state why you think it is important for people to discuss it. I am not well informed about all of that, but if I knew enough I would give you a reasoned opinion, not only a sound bite. | |
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| Who the best person for me to vote for?
Posted: 5/8/2008 5:17:24 PM |
Fly, that will not work. All the talking heads of the extreme right-wing (O'Reilly, Limbaugh, et al.) will have to recognize that they failed in their effort to pump up Hillary so they could continue spewing racial hate pointing their finger to Obama, accusing him of being a racist.
OK. So great one who seems t o know all. I've asked this question everywhere. I even had a discussion with a friend tonight, an Obama supporter who decided to side step the question rather than answer it.
If Obama's long association with Wright can't be explained by: 1) racism, 2) tolerance of racism, 3) extreme stupidity (i.e., didn't know, never heard it, etc) what is the reason that he went to this church and thought well enough of this man to consider him his spiritual advisor and good friend?
Because if he's a racist, tolerates racism, or is just plain old stupid, I'm sure not voting for him.
I get a lot of rhetoric, but no answer to this question. | |
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| Who the best person for me to vote for?
Posted: 5/8/2008 6:50:49 PM | Mr Fly,
Obama supporters can't answer that question..well won't answer that question because they know there is no justification for his actions, even Oprah had the sense to get out of that church! She knew Wright was full of hate and racist! The truth of the matter is..Obama and Michelle agree with Wright! He tries to hide it better but Michelle proves it most every time she opens her mouth! Not only do they agree with Wright but they brought their kids there to learn of Wrights hatred for whites Jews and this nation!
Their only come back is this is getting old? what does this have to do with Obama? why is this such a big deal? It's the Republicans who are Racist! The Republicans are attacking a black man! NO ITS NOT IT'S..... DEMOCRATS Billy him self says Obami pulled the race card and was planning to do it all along!
But really it's the media and other Dems and Libs who are calling him out? MaCain isn't and even asked the Republicans and Dems not to use any negative ads? Say what? that's what elections are all about! Dig up the dirt and let them explain it? all of them!
We have a right to know who is sitting in the white house? I don't care what party their with or what gender they are or color of their skin who care's? We have a right to know who is in charge!
If we listen to dems and libs they say Bush is the dumbest president we ever had, and will go down in history as the worst president? Really how dumb could he be to win the white house twice? Then get the wrold and the UN to rally around him in the global fight against Terrorist? Bush united the world to fight global terrorist ....The dems can't even unite their party! and blame the Republicans for their own mishaps! typical liberal way to point the finger at everyone else no personal responsibility! yeah baby it's the republicans fault....lol Bush made obami and family go to the wrong church Bush made Obami be friends with a known terrorist...bush threw Obamis grandma under the bus ....Bush made Obami swear he could never dennouce Wright, and then did! Bush made Hillary flat out lie about Bosina...Look I've been shot at and in several shoot outs in L.A. when I was in a gang you don't forget what happen, or misspeak and make that up! You never forget it! You know what street you were on and exactly how it went down who got shot and who lived and who died! Come On Man....I mis spoke? No you didn't you lied your ass off in hopes to get votes or sympathy! The same way our lil Billy didn't have sexual relations with that woman? Monica Lewinsky....she was blow'n him for months...but Oral Sex isn't Sex right? It is when it's happening to me! even by it's definition it's sex! But the stupid bought it! | |
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| Who the best person for me to vote for?
Posted: 5/8/2008 6:54:29 PM | | No matter who you vote for that the media allowed to have a shot you are all just playing into the globalist mind warp and you will all lose. You had your chance but you fell into the hype and like perfect specimens you were led to the wrong choices once again. Think about it you have Hillary , Obama, and Mccain to choose from ? and you would choose that ? what is this Jerry Springer ? | |
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| Who the best person for me to vote for?
Posted: 5/8/2008 7:11:13 PM | "OK. So great one who seems t o know all."
Fly,
You need to start reading the posts in this thread before you embarrass yourself. If you had done so, you would have seen that I do not pretend to know all. If I don't have enough info about something I am not afraid to say so, but if I have a definite view on something I can express my ideas with conviction. I am not afraid to point out that what you are doing is the same smearing job that the right-wing tried on Obama by attacking the preacher. The voters of Indiana and N.Carolina didn't buy it.
From what I have read and seen of Obama I have no basis to believe that he may be a racist. On the contrary, I see him as a man who works hard toward achieving racial equality in this country. Maybe that is what bothers you and the right-wing: People who continue working toward achieving the dream of MLK, voicing their concern about the reality in regard to the races in this country. Perhaps you would like to forbid people mentioning facts of the history of this country regarding the race problem. Or just accuse anyone who dares to speak about the racial issues of being a racist, or a racist enabler.
It hasn't worked. | |
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| Who the best person for me to vote for?
Posted: 5/8/2008 7:36:59 PM |
From what I have read and seen of Obama I have no basis to believe that he may be a racist. On the contrary, I see him as a man who works hard toward achieving racial equality in this country. Maybe that is what bothers you and the right-wing: People who continue working toward achieving the dream of MLK, voicing their concern about the reality in regard to the races in this country. Perhaps you would like to forbid people mentioning facts of the history of this country regarding the race problem. Or just accuse anyone who dares to speak about the racial issues of being a racist, or a racist enabler.
You're kidding...right? Obama not a racist. How can you honestly say that knowing that he participated actively in a racist church for 20...count em... 20...years. That is one issue that cannot be sidestepped. Nor can his voting record... 98% with the Dem. compared to McCain's 87% with the Rep. and the Candidate which has demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt, as flyonthewall cited the sources, is McCain.. Not Obama...nor Clinton..(Clinton voted 97% with the Dem.).
If you're going to argue the character of the Candidates...get it right. That's all. Simple as that. McCain has demonstrated he gets angry. Obama has demonstrated he is a racist. Clinton has demonstrated she lies.
Then...
Look to their VOTING records and it is right there. McCain is, by far, the most bipartisan... not only of the 3 of them..but, of many many many in our Congress. One would think We, the People, would be thirstily seeking a bipartisan person for President. | |
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| Who the best person for me to vote for?
Posted: 5/8/2008 8:33:42 PM |
You need to start reading the posts in this thread before you embarrass yourself.
Ah, that explains the long, boring history cut and paste diatribe above.
Maybe that is what bothers you and the right-wing: People who continue working toward achieving the dream of MLK, voicing their concern about the reality in regard to the races in this country. Perhaps you would like to forbid people mentioning facts of the history of this country regarding the race problem. Or just accuse anyone who dares to speak about the racial issues of being a racist, or a racist enabler.
Well, you still haven't explained how Obama ISN'T a racist.
But you're sure wrong about me. Life long Democrat. Have only voted for a few Republicans my entire life. Only voted for one Republican president. Have voted in every single election since 1972 when I was allowed to vote. Walked on a picket line to support Roe vs. Wade, protested the Vietnam War, and am against the invasion of Iraq (but not Afghanistan).
Obama's preacher preaches hate. If you don't agree you've never listened to any of his sermons. You Tube is your friend.
I also happen to know McCain. He is fairly bipartisan, and would certainly reach out to the other party more earnestly than Obama.
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| Who the best person for me to vote for?
Posted: 5/8/2008 8:41:28 PM |
Nor can his voting record... 98% with the Dem. compared to McCain's 87% with the Rep. and the Candidate which has demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt, as flyonthewall cited the sources, is McCain
The logic is a bit flawed here.
It proposes that being bipartisan has no correlation to the quality of the legislation being proposed by the parties creating them. If the current administration produces bad legislation, then voting against it is a no brainer.
So , to use the logic both of you are using, we could get a situation where one party is incompetent and the other doing a far better job with it's proposals. According to you, members of the latter party would be invalidated simply based on their continued support of what was best for the nation.  | |
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| Who the best person for me to vote for?
Posted: 5/9/2008 2:43:41 PM | Yeah, Fly:
Maybe you should go back to your Ivy League school and ask for a refund of your tuition money.
Now, think about this: I said that to me Obama is not a racist and I told you that I see him as an important figure in the movement towards racial equality in this country.
I can't understand why you would have difficulties reading what I say.
Perhaps it has something to do with the ability to concentrate on the sequence of ideas presented in a paragraph. What did you say? ah, let's see: "long, boring history cut and paste diatribe above." Yeah, three and a half lines as quoted by you, 4 and 3/4 lines as quoted by your partner. Long and boring! Wow. What an incisive thought!
BTW, I don't do much of cut and paste. I just say what I have to say with my own words, even though for me is not easy writing in a foreign language.
Now, in order to help each other understand what we are talking about when we use some words, I started a thread about the definition of Racism. Check it out and see if you can contribute in a meaningful way to re-define its meaning. I invite you, and all the people who are accusing Obama of being a racist, to grapple with the current definition, and explain why it should be changed to include what you mean by them when using those words. I hope you are serious enough to contribute more than the usual right-wing sound bite.
Let's see if the tuition you paid to your Ivy League was a good investment! | |
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| Who the best person for me to vote for?
Posted: 5/10/2008 6:09:59 AM | Anyone care to remember that this question was intended to be about those who are here in the 53rd State known as 'the rest of the world' would be best served by.
It must be an American thing, you know, not being able to consider other people. To much me, me, me. Just like most of the politicians you mention in here.
WHICH ONE OF YOUR PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES HAS A PLAN FOR PEACE.? | |
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| Who the best person for me to vote for?
Posted: 5/10/2008 8:16:59 AM |
Anyone care to remember that this question was intended to be about those who are here in the 53rd State known as 'the rest of the world' would be best served by.
Does the 53 rd state known as the rest of the world, decide who will lead their nation, based on, who they think will better serve the other nations? No! Don't you get it? Do you pick your leader (if you can) by who's going to better serve the USA..? It's a silly question!
It must be an American thing, you know, not being able to consider other people. To much me, me, me. Just like most of the politicians you mention in here. Your distain for this Country is perspicuous and abhorrent....you continue to take cheap shots at this nation, You call Americans inconsiderate? What have you done for the world? What makes you think your so far above Americans?
WHICH ONE OF YOUR PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES HAS A PLAN FOR PEACE.? All three.....unless Terrorist continue to kill and blow up innocent people! Then the US will blow them up! you see how that works? your hero's Terrorize and we Neutralize and send their dunb asses on the run! Where's the Tali Ban? Where's Bin Laden? Where's AlQaeda? Where's Saddam? All on the run, dead or hiding in caves like little girls, to afraid to put on a uniform and fight like men! Jihadest are sissys! and claim victory when they blow up innocent women and children! COWARDS!!! | |
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| Who the best person for me to vote for?
Posted: 5/13/2008 7:29:16 AM | Hi pocoloco44,
Well actually mate the answer to your first question is yes we do elect our leaders based on how they will serve other nations as well as my own. When I can be bothered to cast my vote, I along with others cast it in favour of those people who I think will serve my country best be that at home in England or as part of the European Union which I am sure you know is made up of several nation states, many of whom we have fought bitter conflicts with in the past and who now form part of my country Europe. I also take into consideration the international and foreign policies of anyone asking for my vote. I even voted for one who said that we would stand by America through thick and thin because thats what friends do. I don't live in isolation on this planet and neither do you.
I vote for who would best serve the interests of other European nations too, thats why we are now one of the true Economic and cultural giants in the world. It's called progress taking down borders that millions have died to establish and protect in favour of unity and friendship. Together with our comrades in Europe and those belonging to the Commonwealth we are becoming one of the greatest nations on earth and probably better placed to be leaders of the free world. More so than America it would seem who prefer war to peace at this time.
I don't hate America, my relatives and friends are there right beside your relatives and friends in this conflict as I am too. Without you and your love of freedom I doubt anyone could look forward and see a better world for us all. It's hard to imagine what this world would be like if your country was not committed to freedom and to ending terrorism around the world.
But you must excuse me if I think that the decision your nation is about to take affects me and everyone else out here. The decision you all make now could very well be the difference between World War 3 and world peace. Quite crutial to us all. Thats why I'm interested in who wants peace because here in my country we have endured the acts of terrorism you have just experienced for over 25 years. Mostly financed by the USA. We had the Birmingham pub bombings, City of London, Manchester, Inniskillen, Hyde Park, Warren point, need I go on. Thing is that all this experience has taught us that it only stops when you start talking about peace and none of you seem to be able to grasp that yet.
We will NEVER bomb or shoot our way out of this mess. All we will achieve is to increase the body count on all sides and bankrupt both our countries in the process.
At some point the number of dead and the cost of war will take us to the negotiating table. Do you have any thoughts yet on just how many bodybags or dollars spent it will take for you to say enough is enough. I would prefer to see the money spent on war spent on health and education. Looks to me like that might be a good thing for you all to spend your money on too.
When the next attack comes, be it there or here or anywhere really, will you be able to put your hand on your heart and say I did what I could to prevent it?. If you turn your obvious intellect and passion for freedom to the peace process, then you might just be able to do that. Continuing to rattle your sabre and thinking that you can kill everyone who doesn't like you is a rediculous game plan and destined to failure.
When it comes to terrorist attacks like the ones here in Europe as well as those in America and elsewhere, the only thing you can really be sure of is why they do what they do. Unless your new leader knows and acknowledges that and has a plan to address those reasons then we are all committed to an ongoing conflict through my lifetime and that of my children. Do you reall want that?
Would love to discuss the progress of the war with you since you seem to think that we are winning, unfortunately thats a bit off topic. This ones about the new self appointed leader of the free world and what they are doing to promote peace. Can you give me a link to one of the candidates where the topic they speak about is peace?. | |
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| Who the best person for me to vote for?
Posted: 5/13/2008 10:03:44 AM | | I don't believe that we have a choice. Clinton has the experience necessary. No on-the-job training. Obama is a first term federal senator(almost). He is,no doubt,a brilliant man WITHOUT EXPERIENCE! He is a work in progress. He speaks beautifully,but do you really think that,in 4 years,he can change what's been going on in Washington for ages? There are 1oo's of republicans in the house and senate that will oppose him immediately,just because he's democrat. If you believe that he'll change all of this you'll be acting naive. Voting for Mccain is like 4 more years of Bush. Thanks to Bush,we are living in the Unites States of China. And if Bush involves us with Iran,we will be in TROUBLE. McCain should not be an option. With a few more terms under his belt,Obama will be great...that is,if we survive Bush. Vote for Clinton. | |
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| Who the best person for me to vote for?
Posted: 5/13/2008 10:12:10 AM | Again, it depends on what your base orientations are.
McCain might be the perfect choice for someone that wants to continue the war in Iraq for as long as it takes to win, and who agrees that cutting taxes across the board is a good thing.
If you don't share those views, then he's not the one for you.
The same thing can be said for either of the two Democratic candidates in the race.
Unless you examine the candidate, and the issues and platforms they present, ( and most importantly what your core values are) , then no one can tell you who the best candidate is.
It's takes some work to involve yourself and educate yourself to who your choice should be.
It's never something that someone else can tell you. | |
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| Who the best person for me to vote for?
Posted: 5/13/2008 2:45:44 PM | People are insufficiently aware of the things that Hagee and Parsley (McSame's spiritual advisors/pastors) have said. Parsley wants to destroy the Islamic faith and wipe it off the face of the earth (talk about inflamatory and hateful!!), while Hagee has insulted the Catholic Church in his speeches. Both are bigots and racists worse than anything that Wright could have said (not that I am excusing Wright's remarks). I have heard NOTHING about McSame condemning these jerks' words, while Obama has gone on record opposing Wright's unpatriotic remarks.
Unfortunately the media has a ridiculously conservative bias so they aren't talking enough about Parsley and Hagee who make Wright look like a peach in comparison!
Study up on these bad men and spread the word and vote for Barack Obama! | |
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| Who the best person for me to vote for?
Posted: 5/13/2008 2:57:33 PM | | I am constantly amazed by the fact that more people don't ever consider Ron Paul and Ralph Nader to be realistic candidates. Ron Paul is against the war in Iraq (along woth about 70% of the country) against taxes (noone likes paying income taxes) and is about financial and social freedom (the government getting out of your business) | |
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| Who the best person for me to vote for?
Posted: 5/13/2008 3:33:07 PM |
Now, in order to help each other understand what we are talking about when we use some words, I started a thread about the definition of Racism. Check it out and see if you can contribute in a meaningful way to re-define its meaning. I invite you, and all the people who are accusing Obama of being a racist, to grapple with the current definition, and explain why it should be changed to include what you mean by them when using those words. I hope you are serious enough to contribute more than the usual right-wing sound bite.
How about giving us a URL? Are we supposed to go surfing through the threads and try to figure out which one you're talking about.
Maybe you should go back to your Ivy League school and ask for a refund of your tuition money.
Maybe you should go to the TOS for POF and read them. Insulting or attacking indivdual posters is a violation. Please don't do this again. Only warning.
Anyone care to remember that this question was intended to be about those who are here in the 53rd State known as 'the rest of the world' would be best served by.
They don't get a vote, and I won't tell you who I think you should vote for next time there's an election.
But you must excuse me if I think that the decision your nation is about to take affects me and everyone else out here. The decision you all make now could very well be the difference between World War 3 and world peace.
That's relatively ridiculous. Who's going to fight against us in this war? Russia still has the second most powerful military in the world with half the manpower, about a third of the aircraft, and a teeny percentage of naval vessels compared to the US -- but last I checked they weren't ready to wage war with us.
No one wants to fight WWIII except for extremist Muslims, and they don't control much in military power. They fight like cowards striking innocent citizens in unconventional ways. I don't see how this would result in WWIII.
When it comes to terrorist attacks like the ones here in Europe as well as those in America and elsewhere, the only thing you can really be sure of is why they do what they do. Unless your new leader knows and acknowledges that and has a plan to address those reasons then we are all committed to an ongoing conflict through my lifetime and that of my children. Do you reall want that?
WTF? Terrorists attack because they're nuts and they like killing us "infidels". We've had relatively few terrorist attacks here in the US, and significantly fewer than the UK. When they got us, they got us bad on September 11, but we learned from it. There hasn't been a successful terrorist attack since. Can't say that for the UK.
At some point the number of dead and the cost of war will take us to the negotiating table.
Negotiating table? Are you serious? The terrorists just want us all dead. Until that happens they are going to try to keep killing us. The only thing that would appease them is if we all committed suicide and left the world to them. That isn't going to happen.
People are insufficiently aware of the things that Hagee and Parsley (McSame's spiritual advisors/pastors) have said.
Oh please, neither of these people are friends with McCain. There's a whole world of difference between a person who endorses your campaign, and having a bigot for a close personal friend, confidant and spirtual advisor for 20 years of your life. | |
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| Who the best person for me to vote for?
Posted: 5/13/2008 5:08:18 PM | Hi Fly,
"Maybe you should go to the TOS for POF and read them. Insulting or attacking indivdual posters is a violation. Please don't do this again. Only warning."
Thanks for the warning. Is this your regular tactic? Would you like to silence me because I insulted you? Am I supposed not to respond to your "OK. So great one who seems t o know all," and other similar attacks? Maybe you were trying to compliment me in your own special way? Don't dish it out if you can't take it!
"How about giving us a URL? Are we supposed to go surfing through the threads and try to figure out which one you're talking about."
The thread title is "Is there a need for a new definition of "racism"? Many of the usual suspects are contributing. I sincerely hope that you will contribute. Honest! | |
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| Who the best person for me to vote for?
Posted: 5/14/2008 4:35:14 AM | Hi flyonthewall,
Thanks for your comments. I'm sorry to hear that the rest of the world has no vote. Maybe one day eh!. It doesn't stop us wanting to know who if anyone would best represent our interests. If you stopped thinking about America as being isolationist and took up your claim to be leaders of the free world, then giving the vote or some other voice in your parliament to nations outside your shores really would make you the greatest democracy on earth.
My real point though was about peace and the peace process. I am fortunate to live in a community with a very high Asian / immigration / Muslim population.
I get to speak with Muslims both young and old and even to those who choose to wear the Hijab or Burka. Believe me they are just as frightened of what is happening as we are. Thats how terrorism works, it terrorises people and doesn't discriminate between Americans, British or Muslim or anyone else.
The Muslims don't want war, they don't want to wipe you or anyone else of the face of the map. The Muslim faith recognises the beliefs of the Christian community and the two have existed side by side for a long time now. You only think that they wish to harm you because that is what you are being taught to believe by those for who would control and enslave you.
The voice of peace within the Muslim community is strong and effective. They are doing everything they can to stop the march to war or Jihad. They recognise the dangers of only talking about war and are striving for the peace they enjoyed prior to 9/11 as we all do. Unfortunately the majority of voices I hear in here and elsewhere talk only of war. Counting your dead and the dollars spent, trying to predict the next attack and never even trying to see an end to it, only a deteriation.
September the 11th was a devastaing blow for your country and for the free world, it doesn't mean you have to let it dominate your lifes. There are literally tens of thousands of words in this forum alone trying to establish what happened and why and whilst there are undoubtedly many questions requiring answers. I wish there were so many words written on how to stop the next one and it won't be a the point of a gun I can assure you of that.
The thing is with terrorism and the war on terror is that your winning the war right up til the next attack, then after you've picked up all the body parts from the streets then your winning again until the next time. Thats how it works. You haven't been attacked again because your in one of the periods when you can claim to be winning.
There are Muslim extreemist just as there are Christian Extreemist and Jewish extreemists, the difference right now is that the voice of Muslim extreemism is loud and is being heard across the globe. They have been given the world platform they wanted. It's done their recruitment no harm at all and made those who would attack us believe that they can win. The have certainly done a good job of terrorising us even now after all these years the Twin Towers still dominates even on this dating website where people come to find love and then talk of war. Thats how terrorism works.
What we all have to do is to begin talking about peace and how best to acheive it quickly. Everyone wants that, even the Muslims. We have to do things that help people to understand the message of hate is divisive and dangerous. We have to make Muslim extreemism as silly looking as the ones in America who wave live Rattlesnakes about. We won't do that with a gun either.
I am sure that you have seen images on your news showing 'Muslim extreemist' burning American flags and effigies of Bush and Blair shouting 'death to the infadel'. Right now it is America who looks like an angry mob shouting 'Death to the world' because you never speak of peace only of war. | |
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| Who the best person for me to vote for?
Posted: 5/14/2008 7:07:57 AM | The rest of the world doesn't have a say in the internal government of ANY nation. The "23rd state" doesn't get a vote in the UK either. Your entire point makes no sense.
The voice of peace within the Muslim community is strong and effective. They are doing everything they can to stop the march to war or Jihad.
Of course. No one with half a brain blames the majority of Muslims for the terror of a few. But they have no more ability to stop the actions of crazy Muslims than I had the ability to stop Timothy McVeigh from blowing up the Federal Building in Oklahoma City.
Various factions of Muslims have been killing each other for thousands of years. It used to be isolated to the Middle East because travel was hard. Now that all you have to do is get on a plane, train or car to get around the world they are able to spread the joy to everyone.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the main reason that Europe has many more terrorist attacks than the US. It's easier for them to get to you. It's possible to cross a border without scrutiny if you don't use a major road to enter the country. When you fly in, it's a lot harder to escape it, and post 9/11 we have significantly increased our security in airports.
Further, we've learned our lesson about human intelligence. There was a trend in the 80s and 90s to start relying on satellites and drones for surveillance rather than undercover intelligence. You can't possibly get even an inkling of what's going on by listening to "chatter" and taking pictures. There is no replacement for actual humans who can infiltrate the cells.
BTW, I don't think we should have invaded Iraq either. There was no American interest in our doing that. There were no WMD, and while Saddam Hussein was a bad dude, there are lots of leaders in other countries who are just as bad.
However, that was our one error. The actions we took in Afghanistan were measured and necessary. And invading a single country that we didn't have to (or at least shouldn't have without NATO support) hardly makes us an angry mob shouting "Death to the world" | |
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| Who the best person for me to vote for?
Posted: 5/14/2008 9:58:12 AM |
Didn't ask me much about anything other than things that are of interest to anyone not an American. No words of peace. Tell you what, you keep Hillary, or Barrack or Ron Paul and all the rest. They are all talking war and none talking peace.
Ron Paul talking war? I don't think you know what you're talking about.
We have bases in 130 of the world's 190 countries, and Ron Paul is THE candidate who wants to CLOSE THOSE BASES DOWN!
He wants an IMMEDIATE withdrawal from Iraq.
Hitlery, McLame, and Ovomit are all C.R.F. puppets, liars all. Ovomit won't get us out of Iraq, mark my words!
Ron Paul is an honest candidate who supports the Constitution, I think Bob Barr may be a decent candidate (Libertarian), too.
If I were you, I'd be working to get rid of that whore Queen and her corrupt family in your own damn country.
Look into Ron Paul, and if you find anything that makes him a "pro-war" candidate, please post it. | |
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