| I Vote For Castration--Father Imprisons Daughter For 24 Years
Posted: 5/7/2008 4:57:30 PM | Draskinn,
I doubt that anyone here seriously advocates torturing this person. And punishment in kind ("an eye for an eye") hasn't been practiced by any civilized nation for hundreds of years now. But that does NOT mean death is not a fair and moral punishment for heinous crimes--e.g., murder by arson, torture, poisoning, from ambush,etc., or murder of an infant, a law enforcement official, U.S. President, etc.; kidnapping of a child that leads to its death; treason; piracy; and war crimes.
The U.S. tried and hanged more than 950 Japanese war criminals just after WWII. Probably another 10,000 should have received the same treatment but escaped. The cruelty of some of their crimes is almost beyond imagining. But I take it that for you, both these trials and the Nurmberg Trials were exercises in incivility. If that's what you think, I could not disagree more. What you seem to idealize as civility is in fact decadence--the failure of a society's courage of its convictions. Where it exists, there is a gentlemen's agreement--I won't condemn your bad behavior, if you won't condemn mine. But there are certain actions everyone SHOULD hate, judge, and condemn--morality demands it. | |
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| I Vote For Castration--Father Imprisons Daughter For 24 Years
Posted: 5/7/2008 6:09:03 PM | simmahdahnnah - no I didn't take your rather bizarre form of retribution seriously. Although I think you should stand for governor and make it law. and I too think mero doesn't think highly of american women.
machlessm:
I doubt that anyone here seriously advocates torturing this person.
you'd be surprised.
But I take it that for you, both these trials and the Nurmberg Trials were exercises in incivility.
I'm sure draskinn can defend his own words. However, it really does annoy me when people try and put words into others mouths.
I could not disagree more. What you seem to idealize as civility is in fact decadence--the failure of a society's courage of its convictions
how? you fail to explain this with your next sentence of the "gentlemens agreement". how on earth is treating human beings decently no matter what their crime "decadence"? for me, being a liberal softie, I don't mind removing people from society so that they can't commit crimes in future, I don't even mind trying to rehabilitate and educate offends to be a part of society, but I don't see how not torturing or murdering a fellow human being (no matter what crime he/she has committed) makes me decadent. to me that is a ludicrous statement that needs explaining.
But there are certain actions everyone SHOULD hate, judge, and condemn--morality demands it. morality is subjective and your idea of morality is different to mine so how do you clarify these "actions" that everyone should hate? by your moral standards or by mine? | |
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| I Vote For Castration--Father Imprisons Daughter For 24 Years
Posted: 5/7/2008 6:18:20 PM | All I know is I really feel for this girl and her 7 children, one of whom died as an infant and he put in the furnace. I really hope that someday he feels the pain he put them all through, if that's even possible. What a sad world this is sometimes.
They said one one newscast I saw that when they were released, was the first time those children had ever seen daylight. Couple that with his sexual abuse, God it's unimaginable. | |
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| I Vote For Castration--Father Imprisons Daughter For 24 Years
Posted: 5/8/2008 12:56:57 AM | There HAS to be way more to this story than what is being reported. I find it outrageously impossible that the daughter didn't have at least one (probably had hundreds) chance to bash that monster's head in. She had PLENTY of time to plan an escape!!
I also cannot fathom how the father could be cruel enough to rape his own daughter, imprison her for 24 years, imprison his grandchildren/children.... but have just enough kindness in his heart to take the ill 19-yr-old to the hospital when she was ill. Wouldn't you think that he'd throw her in his incinerator as he did the newborn baby? Just doesn't make sense to me. | |
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| I Vote For Castration--Father Imprisons Daughter For 24 Years
Posted: 5/8/2008 3:17:05 AM | He built a lovely dungeon. Can't he just live out his remaining natural life down there as he is so fond of it - alone?
Fairly sure someone from the authorities could pop a food delivery down there once a fortnight, and a cctv camera could be rigged up for him to sit in front of once a day so the outside world would know when to seal up his tomb permanently.
Don't see why anyone else should have to tolerate being around such an evil character, it'd be unfair to the prison guards mental health for a start. Spend the tax payers money that would of been spent on his prison sentence and pyschaitric care providing some of the rehabilitative care his victims need instead.
If someone is feeling humanitarian they can leave a copy of the Bible, down there for him to read as his sole source of entertainment(no TV as he made his daughter beg for this the fiend ), so that he can start to repent. | |
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| I Vote For Castration--Father Imprisons Daughter For 24 Years
Posted: 5/8/2008 3:38:37 AM |
All I know is I really feel for this girl and her 7 children, one of whom died as an infant and he put in the furnace. I really hope that someday he feels the pain he put them all through, if that's even possible. What a sad world this is sometimes.
They said one one newscast I saw that when they were released, was the first time those children had ever seen daylight. Couple that with his sexual abuse, God it's unimaginable.
Finally one statement I can agree with fully. But the reality is he is never going to feel that pain otherwise he would have been incapable of commiting this crime in the first place. Likely why so many seem to jump straight to revenge/torture. But the fact remains that you and I as normal people are unlikely to ever fully understand a thought process which justifies treating any other person in the manner he did for sexual gratification. | |
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| I Vote For Castration--Father Imprisons Daughter For 24 Years
Posted: 5/8/2008 5:49:22 AM | I just can't think of a punishment to suit this type of sickness. Death or imprisonment for what time he has left is about all they can do.
What will happen to the daughter and her six children? How will the three who had never even seen daylight survive out in society? What he did to these people is almost hard to even absorb ... | |
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| I Vote For Castration--Father Imprisons Daughter For 24 Years
Posted: 5/8/2008 9:25:11 AM | | david spanbuer from wisconsin kills 2 girls ages 6 and 9 . is dean in 1 year . the most guesm killing from milwaukee jeffery domner . killed 6month in prison bathroom . anyone see how this guy may be killed in prison . | |
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| I Vote For Castration--Father Imprisons Daughter For 24 Years
Posted: 5/8/2008 10:15:41 AM | You lot are quite sick, i'm glad most of you are in the USA. The only punishment he should get is what the courts hand out as they are the only ones impartial and with the FULL facts. Yes, he is a mentally disturbed person but the same could be said about you lot as well.
simmahdahnnah - no I didn't take your rather bizarre form of retribution seriously. Although I think you should stand for governor and make it law. and I too think mero doesn't think highly of american women.
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Speaking from both ends of the mouth. First statements is anti-American and soft on crime. Second statement is brown-nosing.
It's a well know fact that Adolf Hitler was a mommy's boy and he too was from Austria. Both evil men were nurtured by their mothers. Perhaps their mothers should have had their breasts cut off as well as their ovaries removed. After all, the thread begins with "I Vote For Castration." Castration is not enough, more should be done. Another point is that the world is not divided with American women and women. Feminists no matter where they are from are penis envies and hate men, as Mero stated. | |
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| I Vote For Castration--Father Imprisons Daughter For 24 Years
Posted: 5/8/2008 10:26:19 AM | | I just read up some more on that horrible act. That guy that did this is obviously a sick twisted maniac, and anyone....ANYONE who would supress another person like that and lock them up like an animal or treat them poorly in such a way for so many years is a mental nutcase and I am outraged over this. This guy is crazy and shame on him for what he did that ****ed up prick. | |
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| I Vote For Castration--Father Imprisons Daughter For 24 Years
Posted: 5/8/2008 11:14:05 AM | I think he should have to work his bleedin' ass off to pay for this poor woman's, and her childrens support, therapy and well-being to the end of his life... while losing his priveleges as a citizen (he chose to be a d!ck... if you can't live by societies rules why should you recieve the rights, other than basic human rights? And I mean BASIC, enough food for maintenance, water, shelter, minimal health care.. BASIC, nothing more)
honestly... I'm not big on vengeance, or punishment... but I DO believe that those who commit crimes should have to repay... get him breaking rocks or some other unsavory labour. Sitting in a cell is no real way to deal with this, he needs to be made responsible for his actions.
Screw the "humane, compassionate' thing. Did this guy show an ounce of compassion for his own daughter? I don't go for torture, because that makes us just as bad... but I see nothng wrong with making him pay for whatever damage he has caused.
The wife knew nothing? BULL f'in SH!T, she's just as guilty.. it is a parent's duty to protect their children...yes, even from the other parent.
As a society we need to send a message that harming children is COMPLETELY unacceptable.. no more slaps on the wrist, no more probation, no more. It's a fact that sexual predators are probably the hardest to rehabilitate... they are damaged and having them run loose in society is a bad move.. I'm sorry but the risk is too high. The consequences for harming a child should be the strictest on the books... because it causes more damage to society than any other crime. You sexually abuse a child, ONCE... umm.. bye, bye, you just lost the privelege of being a part of that society, for good. That's my opinion and I won't apologize for it.
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| I Vote For Castration--Father Imprisons Daughter For 24 Years
Posted: 5/8/2008 12:47:43 PM | He's nut crazy, a nutcase or just mentally disturbed as some place him to be. It's evil. Accept that evil exists and stop making excuses for such.
The op is confused with my previous post. Partly because she assumed I am not American and partly because she thinks only American women are feminists. Maybe so, she should know. There appears to be a large degree of projection by her vindictive and hateful posts.
There is also a part in her that assumes that only Caucasian women are Americans, and since I am an Asian woman, she accuses me of hating Americans, when it is clear in my post that it is feminists I dislike. They expressed themselves quite eloquently in this thread. OP just did the typical liberal slander of misplacing feminists with American. As Bill Clinton and other liberals bring up Obama's race in slick rhetoric.
OP. I am more American than you. I am born and raised here so are my parents. Furthermore I lived in Ontario due to my parents company. I mostly grew up in Missouri, the heartland of America. I understand the reason you may take offense, it's your thread titled, I vote for castration. Do you also vote for his wife's ovaries and clitoris removal? I am with the msg about further information about the case. I just don't share the wicked, monstrous punishment you would render if you were judge and jury. I guess if Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Saddam, Osama and other were females, they would vote for castration. I vote for fair and civilized court proceedings, verdict and sentencing, not torture or mutilation. We should not be evil like that man or like women that abuse, drown and kill their children for their lovers. | |
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| I Vote For Castration--Father Imprisons Daughter For 24 Years
Posted: 5/8/2008 12:56:06 PM | Oh good Lord people take me too seriously. I already put in my disclaimer that it was an admittedly lame attempt by me to poke fun at a hideous situation. You hear of people saying all the time "they should cut that guys' nuts off"..or "if anyone went after my kids they'd be dead". I wasn't truly serious about the castration.
I do not really think they'll castrate this guy, nor do I think they should. I can't imagine any punishment that would do justice to the harm he has caused. As far as this:
Good thing they are all from here and not Austria. They claim to be liberal (kinder and gentler) here but it all goes down the drain when their true goals surfaces. In this case, their penis envy surfaces along with their feminazi mentality. Deep inside they just hate males and feel all men are like that character in Austria. Anyway, they cannot have girl fun when they hate men.
That was your original post that I responded to. Good thing 'they' are all from 'here'. That would lead me to believe that you thought everyone posting was American. I did not assume you were not American. I don't like the term 'feminazi'. Ever. And just because I think this man should be punished makes me a liberal feminist? You should relax, mero. And the "I'm more American than you are".....lol for one thing I don't care what race, gender, or citizenship you hold. That was not the point of any of this. So now that you know that I really was not serious and that I won't be picketing the prisons of Austria, please take all my words for how they are meant. :) | |
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| I Vote For Castration--Father Imprisons Daughter For 24 Years
Posted: 5/8/2008 1:03:27 PM | That was in response to this post:
You lot are quite sick, i'm glad most of you are in the USA. The only punishment he should get is what the courts hand out as they are the only ones impartial and with the FULL facts. Yes, he is a mentally disturbed person but the same could be said about you lot as well.
I responded with: Good thing they are all from here and not Austria. They claim to be liberal (kinder and gentler) here but it all goes down the drain when their true goals surfaces. In this case, their penis envy surfaces along with their feminazi mentality. Deep inside they just hate males and feel all men are like that character in Austria. Anyway, they cannot have girl fun when they hate men.
Op, you cannot take back what you feel and you misunderstood my profile. It's where the: Hate for American women came from. Yet giving that poster a free ride. It's all liberal, liberal, liberal as Ronald Reagan quoted often. Feminazi is an appropriate term for liberal women. It's in Webster dictionary. It goes with: I shall rule and if not, I will destroy. | |
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| I Vote For Castration--Father Imprisons Daughter For 24 Years
Posted: 5/8/2008 1:06:48 PM | LOL Whatever, Mero, I have no desire to get into an argument with you. Go ahead and label me whatever you wish.
I was not trying to 'take back' anything, merely explaining.
Now...back on topic...this guy was supposed to appear in court today. I wonder what happened? | |
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| I Vote For Castration--Father Imprisons Daughter For 24 Years
Posted: 5/8/2008 1:27:07 PM | He IS NOT mentally ill. He KNEW the difference between right and wrong. He PLANNED this out well before her 18th birthday. He used drugs to sedate her and get her into the dungeon, that he had been building for obviously quite some time, securing and soundproofing it .......there is no mental illness here. Only a cold, cruel, uncaring father who thought something "belonged" to him and was planning on keeping it, come hell or high water.
As for his punishment...........he'll probably get off easy because of his age. I would hope not, but I really don't see ANY government moving to quickly on something like this. As for mom, she's just a damned fool, but I do believe she had her suspicions.
It's the daughter and children that my concerns are for. Yes, three children lived above ground since their birth, but how do they feel now??? They've just found out that they lived "above" their mother and siblings, and that she had always been below their feet in total isolation. Now they know they weren't "dumped" off to live with their grandparents while mom didn't want them, and that "grandpa" is actually "daddy". This poor woman has had to deal with alot, incarceration (by her own father), and eventually becoming "brainwashed" by him. She has to get to know her own children (the above ground ones), helping the ones that were underground with her cope with all of the "new" in their life, and finally trying to beome an actual person to the world. NOT the woman who's father kept her underground for 24 years and fathered 7 children. She has to cope with what was done to her, care for her family and deal with the world watching her every move now. | |
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| I Vote For Castration--Father Imprisons Daughter For 24 Years
Posted: 5/8/2008 1:48:02 PM | | So if the children of ....him and his daughter's repeated unions.....are all ok, as far as physically, appearance-wise, etc, this sort of disproves the old myth that the inbred are bound to look odd, or what-have-you. I have heard in fact that that may only become the case if an ongoing pattern of too-close breeding went on for generations. One of our instructors in college made that point; it's a myth, basically, he said. Most of the time the children will appear normal , with as much chance of being attractive as anyone else. It's only when this happens , say, 2 gen's or more in a row. | |
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| I Vote For Castration--Father Imprisons Daughter For 24 Years
Posted: 5/8/2008 4:13:45 PM | according to his latest statement, he did it to protect her.... bless him, he's all heart!
i can only hope that her mum did know that she and the kiddies were down there...
he was in his mid seventies and quite likely to drop dead at any time. can you imagine if he had died? that poor woman and her children would have slowly starved to death.
if he had died, and her mum didn't know she was down there, then no-one would have gone looking for them.
punishment..? let him loose! he won't last long  | |
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| I Vote For Castration--Father Imprisons Daughter For 24 Years
Posted: 5/8/2008 5:07:06 PM | msg36 windslow wrote:
Speaking from both ends of the mouth. First statements is anti-American and soft on crime. Second statement is brown-nosing.
and your point is?
first, this is an american forum and I think you'll find that most of the posters before me were american.
second, brown-nosing, probably but read what she wrote if she did mean it she needs locking up, I hope that most people wouldn't actually want to see their punishments handed out. And I did read her other post as though she was upset that people may have taken her seriously and as I am a caring person I didn't wish to leave her in that state.
soft on crime? this I intend to take issue with. And this is not directed just at windslow but all the other posters who wish to commit hideous punishments on people.
The punishments you want to dish out say nothing about the crime but they say a lot about you and your society. I've read a lot of posts wanting to know more about how this is has happened. it took about 15 years after the yorkshire ripper was caught before psychologists could start to get an understanding of peter sutcliffe? Ian brady - moors murder took nearly 20 years to get any sense out of him. The list goes on and on. These are hideous crimes and we need to study them completely so that we are in a position to prevent, spot and/or catch future perpetrators. This isn't being soft on crime this making sure our society does not produce these people in the future. do you think if we castrated them they would be happy to talk?
I think somebody has already said the old quote about the way a society treats its prisoners and its absolutely right. You remove these people from society but you do not get some perverse pleasure out of punishing them. In this case the austrian people need to be asking themselves the question "how has this happened here?", just like in the USA you should be asking questions like "how can somebody walk into a school and shoot children in our society? the richest most powerful society in the world, why can't we stop this from happening?" this is the 21st century not the spanish inquisition ideally you should be moving forwards.
finally, a simple question, Why do you think we have human rights, international laws on human rights? would any of you like to live in a country that disregards these internationally agreed laws on human rights? (if you're in the USA then you do actually live in one of these countries - guantanamo bay but I guess that's another thread).
anyway, although this is a forum, there are people on it who don't seem to be able to read properly so I will say that this is all - in my opinion. | |
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| I Vote For Castration--Father Imprisons Daughter For 24 Years
Posted: 5/8/2008 5:55:23 PM |
I find it outrageously impossible that the daughter didn't have at least one (probably had hundreds) chance to bash that monster's head in. She had PLENTY of time to plan an escape!!
I believe he had some kind of divice or timer set to flood the bunker with killer gas in the event she tried to escape. Not to mention the threats he must have imposed upon her. Being a victim of abuse myself, I can understand her not trying to defy him. She dare not try to escape! My heart bleeds for her | |
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| I Vote For Castration--Father Imprisons Daughter For 24 Years
Posted: 5/8/2008 6:03:30 PM | | ^^ I don't know this for a fact, but I bet he also threatened her kids too and that would be another reason not to attack him. He had her help him build this dungeon when she was just 12. She never had a chance to grow up, and is still emotionally a 12 yr old...an abused, terrified 12 yr old. I really hope to one day find out what her life turned out like. I hope they don't make a circus out of her though, that's the last thing the poor girl needs. Just sad. | |
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