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| Should marijuana use be a deal breaker?
Posted: 5/28/2008 9:31:09 AM | I think marijuana use effects some people much differently than others. Alcohol kills brain cells, as does the natural process of aging. However, synapses (a good analogy would be the wires running between cells) increase with age. Tolerance in use of marijuana also has a very steep curve. Casual use might be more of an effect on personality than daily use.
Overall I think judgements should be made on perception of personality. Personally, I don't like hanging out with people who are blatenly open about use. It's a liablity. However, I don't see anything wrong with personal use in private. Medically its not anywhere close to as damaging as certain perscription drugs, or other illicit drugs. Unfortunatly, legally it is classified the same as crack cocaine. I think alot depends on lifestyle. In the music industry it is hardly talked about anymore (e.g. not an issue whether you smoke pot or not)
However, irresponsible use and hard drugs are usually frowned upon in professional situations. e.g. smoking pot openly at a music venue would be concidered inappropraite, but smoking a joint by the dumpster in the parking lot might be alright. There are many different levels of use. Is pot a major percentage of that person's personality, or are they a complex multi-faceted person who who's lifestyle might involve innocuous use of a relativly harmless herb? This is the new era. The ideas of hippies sitting around smoking reefer without showering for days is the old thinking, encouraged by the propaganda of the tobbacco and alcohol lobby. Marijuana users can be productive members of society (chances are half the cooks in the resturants you go to are stoned).
I believe one of the most basic rights of any human is the right to regulate what goes in to our own bodies. And unless your life is so fragile and regulated that you never want to involve yourself in anything that could involve you with legal issues (e.g. you don't ever go over the speed limit ) or you're profession is so engrianed in the legal system that you can't risk it; don't limit who you associate yourself with popular stereotypes formed by the media. 
(please excuse unconvetional spelling  )
j | |
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| Wow! Who said anything about an addict?
Posted: 5/28/2008 10:15:48 AM | I don't smoke because my lungs are fundamentally opposed to smoke however, alcohol is more addictive, more harmful to the user and others, and more impairing than pot.
As for the poster's dilemma, I'm not sure I understand. She smoked, he smoked, Neither smoke now. What's the big deal? | |
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| Should marijuana use be a deal breaker?
Posted: 5/28/2008 10:24:11 AM |
Is it really our right to take our beliefs and say they are the 'right' way and all others are wrong?
Well, when the fact of the matter is whether smoking weed is illegal, yes, it is the wrong way. Would you like me to get proof of this where it states in the law that the use and possession of a controlled substance is illegal? Gee, when I was in first grade, I learned that drugs were bad and I learned that they were illegal, hence making it wrong.
You know, I am totally against the use of guns in this country also and all the illegal selling and distributing and shooting of them, but if I ever thought my beliefs had any chance that all those shooters would leave the country just because I had a personal problem with them, I'd be obviously extremely disillusioned.
LOL
Thanks for the laugh. Again, you fail to realize the issue at hand. It is NOT illegal for me to own guns or shoot them off, as long as it is not in the city limits. I am a responsible gun owner and it is my right. It is NOT your right to possess or smoke marijuana, according to your states law. Man, there are some weak ass arguments around here. I am glad that you are a liberal and allow people like Hillary and Obama to persuade you into thinking things like this, but now I ask you, have you ever shot a gun? Have you ever owned a gun? It is not the gun that kills people, it is people who kill people. Plus, if it wasn't for people like myself who have guns, what do you think the crime rates would be? You think the criminals all around wouldn't have access to guns, especially on the black market? Again, if you hate so many things about this country, you are free to move, no one is forcing you to stay. The belief that a society will be safer without guns is ludicrous and has been proven time in and time out that is DOES NOT work. Look at the crime rates of England and Australia after they took everyone's guns away and you will see my point.
Besides that, I never got off topic, it was "others" and their proclaimed love for an illegal substance that made us get off topic and another thing, I never attacked you to begin with, so don't take things personal with me. I am just stating facts honey. | |
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| Should marijuana use be a deal breaker?
Posted: 5/28/2008 10:38:09 AM | ^^i'm really sorry you missed the whole point of my previous post (message 272) - it was to try and show everyone has their RIGHTS TO THEIR BELIEFS.....it was nothing to do with right or wrong about whether it should be legal or not here....and NONE of my posts have.
and i specifically said i was against the ILLEGAL USE and distribution OF GUNS here, not the legal use of them.
again, you took my post and turned it completely around to increase your argument and my WHOLE POINT of my previous post was to please TRY and STOP the ARGUING.
it's useless....and i'll probably get banned for trying to make peace by talking directly to you instead of sticking solely to the original post.
so, i take it, you are on the 'definitely a deal breaker ' side?  | |
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| Should marijuana use be a deal breaker?
Posted: 5/28/2008 10:39:00 AM | | part of one I am sorry to say it but you are not a knowledgable person. wonder if its becuase u have smoked too much weed and lost a brain cell too many. I know a lady and her firned that went out to see who get the highest..smoking weed and drinking. she is retarded today. her mind flipped and she never came back to reality. that was a trip she will never recover from. and poeple think its so innocent ...please wake up people. | |
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| Should marijuana use be a deal breaker?
Posted: 5/28/2008 11:24:22 AM | First part of this post is a little off topic, but then it goes back on. Please forgive.
Hey kit. I wrote this post after your previous one, but I decided not to post it. But, since you are still thinking negatively of me, maybe, I think I'll post this after all. And it is not to insult you at all. Quite the reverse, actually.
You and I have had many interactions now on the forums and I hope you know I really have nothing against you. I really hope you know that. We are all people and all absolutely have equal rights to our beliefs - that was the main reason for my previous long post. That means I respect your right to your beliefs (as I hope you respect my rights also), and if I don't agree with your beliefs, it does not mean I don't respect you as a person....or anyone else here.
What started me writing about rights on this thread was when freddhh used my pointing out cannabis is legal in Holland post for him to respond with I was brain damaged from all the pot I'd smoked. And now, I see you've added the same thoughts to your post too, only I appreciate you've added the words 'wonder if'. Thank you.
See, it was not the issue of whether smoking cannabis and how much of it kills brain cells for me that I felt was an insult. What I felt was insulting was his assumptions. He then backed it up with all the statistics of how much use creates brain damage ...... never bothering to ask me how much I have smoked....never bothering to see if I was an abusive smoker - never bothering to ask me how long it has been since I have smoked.....never bothering to ask me anything, but assumed and projected his negative and so sure of himself beliefs onto me....and in the process creating an air of superiority - or increasing his illusions of an air of superiority......for I really think no one (because I do think we really are all connected) I think no one is any more or less superior than anyone else.
And you and I both know how much everyone resents being treated like they are being disrespected and that is why I pointed out how insulting he was...just like you have with me when you felt I was being judgemental and I have taken that to heart, Kit, and am trying to be more careful if I'm coming across or thinking disrespectfully.
I also feel if one is waving a white flag and trying to call a truce, that to ignore it is wrong. But I can only be responsible for me. So, if you still feel I am wrong, then so be it. I can not change how you or anyone feels at all....because we all have the rights to our opinions......I just ask that we all be honest with ourselves and each other when they are opinions and not express them as facts.
My opinion and experience? Yes, sometimes, cannabis can indeed have a devastating affect on one's state of mind - psychologically. And other times it can be a great door opener into seeing some things with real clarity. And, perhaps what's so risky about it is it is not predictable how it will affect you from one time to another. I also feel a lot or a habitual intake of anything is out of balance and all imbalance sooner or later becomes apparent.
And I feel all of this because I've experienced it all at times in my life. I've also experienced not having any by choice for many years too and have found, unltimately, I prefer to be in a state of mind without it. That's my preference. Once upon a time there were times I preferred to be in a state of mind with it. And when I was like that, I lived in a country where it is de-criminalized, and even before then, the police turned a blind eye most of the time.
SO, this is why I am pretty impartial here about the subject in many ways - I am in both camps and also in neither camp because I can see both sides. I just wish others could a little more too. That's all I've been trying to say. | |
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| Should marijuana use be a deal breaker?
Posted: 5/28/2008 12:24:51 PM | We are 1...You are an intellegent woman who backs up her thoughts with what seems to be true feelings about these "Issues". I can see that you have considered your comments and that you have been careful not to be insulting to anyone...
In the "High School" of life I bet you and I would be buds...you know the free thinking,fellow human being loving, Art and music appreciating, open minded kids who always had a hard time relating to the up tight, judgemental,closed minded kids.
OP If you are not into it ...Say So...Honesty can only help in the long run either way. | |
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| Should marijuana use be a deal breaker?
Posted: 5/28/2008 1:58:13 PM |
part of one I am sorry to say it but you are not a knowledgable person. wonder if its becuase u have smoked too much weed and lost a brain cell too many. I know a lady and her firned that went out to see who get the highest..smoking weed and drinking. she is retarded today. her mind flipped and she never came back to reality. that was a trip she will never recover from. and poeple think its so innocent ...please wake up people.
lllol....... stop....... just stop. Was this firned subjected to your posting. Honestly, are you on the bottle? Before you go counting my brain cells, would you like to borrow a few? | |
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| Should marijuana use be a deal breaker?
Posted: 5/28/2008 2:03:47 PM | WHOA Kitten that is a horrible and insensitive statement...
I personally have studied MF for the past year in College.
Perhaps here is some enlightenment you seem to be lacking in your belief of being such a knowledgable person on the subject.
First off it is real easy to pick and chose "studies" that main purpose is to say that MJ has to purpose and is bad for you. Even to this very day they will tout knowledge from studies that have NOW been well disputed...
Here seems to be a MAJOR tidbit that both YOU and FRED have totally breezed past...
The human brain has two plant neuroreceptors... One is for opium, and one is for cannibas... Scientists have been completely amazed the human brain would have receptors specifically for two plants, let alone the two I mentioned...
Opium of course is for pain, and since pain killers hi jack that receptor thus is the relief of pain, and or the over dosing, because of becoming immune to the lower doses. Opium receptors are in the autonomic nervous system which is what control heart beat, heart rate, breath function, and blood pressure... Depress that part of the brain to much, and you get death.
Cannabis on the other hand does NOT have receptors in that part of the brain, THUS no depressing that section of the brain to the point of death.
You so quickly point out a woman "flipped" to the dark side, but there is no backing up scientifically what happened to her, except to say she got hi and was drinking... Ever hear of alcohol poisoning???? It can cause severe brain damage especially to a chronic drinker...
That is NOT to say cannabis doesn't have its problems, but rather nothing like people want to demonize it as...
There are 13 states where medical marijuana is legal... As well as it is medically legal in all of Canada, and Britian... So do you think that perhaps some of this info that you and Fred seem to so freely toss around as facts MAY have flaws???
It is true, chronic over use of cannabis can cause short term memory loss. There is little to no doubt for some people it is strictly a no no drug, and can't be tolerated at all...
I'm allergic to wine, champagne, as well as MOST pain killers, and nearly anything they have tried for treatment of other things... My body completely goes bonkers, and I have suffered brain damage for 6 months from a drug that is considered perfectly safe to the general population. I had head spines, and talked with a stutter for almost 7 months... The miracle of the brain is that it can rewire itself, especially if it is NOT subjected to harsh crap like over drinking, and or hard drug use..
I have a chronic neck injury, where a surgeon butchered me... Nothing worked to unknot the muscles, and when injected with cortisone, I went through REAL HELL...
Thus I am lucky I live in a state where I have a medical marijuana card, and with VERY LITTLE use, relieve the pain in my neck so I can function the next day, and go to school to maintain the functional intellectual brain I have.
It is easy to demonize a plant like mj because of real lack of knowledge, and because people only read sources that state what they want to hear. I read and researched both, and it is a drug that should be respected just like any other drug....
So when you tip back a brewsky, or wine, or look at your friends that drunk to the point of no return, ask yourselves... How many brain cells did they just kill off, and how likely compared to pot is there a chance for them to get alcohol poisoning...
Want a real interesting study, check out how many deaths happen because of prescription drugs vs pot, then look at that vs alcohol, and cigerettes...
By the way, pot does NOT have to be ingest ONLY through smoking it...
Yeah, it would be nice if PEOPLE WOKE UP... America demonizes a drug, simply because it benefits the pharma companies, liquire companies AND tobacco companies... TRUST ME, I spent a year on research, the information IS out there... | |
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| Should marijuana use be a deal breaker?
Posted: 5/28/2008 2:33:46 PM | And Eve bit the apple....
"The greatest service which can be rendered to any country, is to add a useful plant
to its culture."
THOMAS JEFFERSON
but, then its still each to him /her own. JMO | |
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| Should marijuana use be a deal breaker?
Posted: 5/28/2008 2:38:49 PM | Personally, if mary jane is a deal breaker for you, then logically booze and many prescription drugs should be as well.
For me it's not "RARR, POT BAD" but the extent to which indulges, and that goes for everything else. All things in moderation. I know people who are perfectly fine if they burn one down, but you let them drink whiskey and they go nuts. | |
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| Should marijuana use be a deal breaker?
Posted: 5/28/2008 2:44:40 PM | Just depends on what you can deal with. You don't need our permission to not be ok with it. I don't do it, so I don't want to be with someone who does. If two other people do it, then they won't have any trouble being together as far as that issue is concerned.
A whole lot of things come down to what you can personally live with. If someone leaving the cap off the toothpaste absolutely drives you crazy, it doesn't matter if others think you are unreasonable, it's still an issue for you. | |
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| Should marijuana use be a deal breaker?
Posted: 5/28/2008 3:03:21 PM | | If people want to sit here and tell others that marijuana is good and healthy and does no harm they are out of their minds. Thats all i got to say on subject. | |
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| Should marijuana use be a deal breaker?
Posted: 5/28/2008 3:51:24 PM | | As long as I have a child, and a socially visible career profile... I would never even consider dating a marijuana smoker. Its not that I care that much, but given the stigma, and that it's illegal... why is it worth the risk? Personally, I dont think it is. | |
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| Should marijuana use be a deal breaker?
Posted: 5/28/2008 4:10:39 PM | Many good points to ponder, and well thought out posts here. It seems as though most of you base your opinions on legality. I can empathize with this. But what about someone who takes prescription drugs, and more often than not, for the "Buzz".
If Marijuana were prescribed, taxed, and controlled; would that change your outlook on it?
Seems as though moral is butting proverbial heads with legality just a tad.
But that's how I see it from my house...
God Bless,
Scott. | |
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| Should marijuana use be a deal breaker?
Posted: 5/28/2008 5:25:13 PM | "
Again, put the pot pipe down, think about it for a minute, if pot was so great and wonderful, THE GOVERNMENT WOULD BE SELLING IT AND TAXING THE LIVING HELL OUT OF IT! Do you think there is a reason why it isn't being done? Don't you think the government could make a fortune just on taxing the stuff alone? Gee, maybe it isn't as innocent as you people think, but again, free will, you can do whatever you want, just don't get caught.
"Well, first off, since I LIVE in a country where it is illegal, I would never partake in it. Second, propaganda, that is a laugh. You act like I sit in front of a tv screen and watch govt prop films all night long. (Time to go get the reds boys!!)
I have done research on this subject as I wrote a paper on the effects of long term MJ use (and using university studies from all over) and as the government states and as it has stated, it DOES kill brain cells and hurts the user. It has been a proven fact that when you smoke weed, you are actually smoking the equivalent of 8 cigarettes to one joint. I don't understand why you people cannot understand it or worse yet, why you don't want to understand it. If it was so great and wonderful, don't you think for one minute it would be legalized and taxed to all living hell? I mean, you could look at any drug and say the same thing. Why not legalize cocaine? How about meth? What about the people who do crack and heroin? Why not just legalize everything just because people whine about it? Where do you draw a line with something like that?
As far as drinkers in our society, yes, drinking can be a scourge and no, I do not drink hardly at all (if you call one or two drinks every four months a problem, then I am sorry). Problem is it is legal to drink and not legal to smoke weed, end of discussion. You can sit there and state about how bad this country is for not legalizing it, that this other country who has done some bogus research proved that, blah, blah, blah, but it is simple. MARIJUANA USE AND POSSESSION IN THE USA IS ILLEGAL!
One last thing, if you do not like the laws of this land and you hate it, move away then! Go to Holland or whatever european country that legalized it and have fun, I don't care! Nobody is stopping any of you from smoking weed, but if you don't like this country so much, as you keep stating, then move, simple as that. "
Themes you constantly repeat. It's kind of callow to see the government as your grandpappy with your best interests at heart.
Overlooking the fact that it would compete with big pharm crack pushers, and yes I said crack pushers "are you feeling sad, lonely, depressed, call 976....."..... wait... that's another one. "Life got you down? Let prozac take your problems away. Side effects include (but are not limited to:...) ask your Doctor about prozac today". BTW, it's in your water.
Yeah, overlooking all that they "legally" brainwash and lobotomize the populace into complacency with, of which you're clearly a victim, it would further cut into their non legal opium/cocaine trade that they're up to their necks in, fueling all their ILLEGAL wars on terrah.
So why don't you put the propograndeur down for a minute, and think about it yourself, seriously. The government doesn't want you critically thinking, but CAN YOU?
Ask yourself why the cost of food is sky rocketing, not only because the cost of fuel is out of control, but also because they ever so brilliantly want to use food for fuel, for which mathematically the numbers don't even begin to add up. Ask yourself why the government doesn't have your interests at heart at all. Ask yourself why you're their complacent slave. Oh I know, you've got a gun, you're freedom incarnate.
Ask yourself if you'd be for your police state tazing your 90 year old grandmother to death because they thought they smelled weed on her and thought she might go ballistic with her walker, and taking more than ten seconds to get to her stonned arthritic 90 year old knees being deemed as "actively resisting" is beyond all reason for you.
Can you reason for you? You know, I hear if you venture off too far, you'll fall off the edge of a flat earth into a pit of razor hemp that'll shred you as preparation for monster feed. If you go back far enough you can probably reference a good number of scholarly and perhaps even legal texts that'll back that assertion for you.
Sure they could make "some" money taxing weed, which we'd rather grow a more potent and organic variety ourselves (hell, just look what they've done to the quality of our food) but then it would have the potential to greatly cut into any number of their biggest money making trades, from fuel, war, weapons, and drugs, which are all so intimately related. You may be more familiar with this as grassy knoll, 911 false flag ops, spreading democracy-freedom/welcomed as liberators, there's wmd over them thar hills, mission accomplished, another 100 years... That's your government buddy, and you couldn't pay me to piss in your country. Pot for peace, if you're not a toker you're a war monger.
Seriously though, you don't have to smoke weed, but you really should think critically, for it is blind obedience and complacency that allows the above to exist, fester and propogate. You're to blame. | |
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| Should marijuana use be a deal breaker?
Posted: 5/28/2008 6:50:55 PM | I have to jump in here. A friend told me about all the ignorant crap that was being thrown about on this thread about weed.
Ah,,, let me light a joint and contemplate the reprecussions of mild, recreational smoking.
Ummmm, none!
Seriously, I have dated men who smoked pot, and men who didn't. It wasn't a deal breaker. I don't smoke presently, but I did "back in the day". I can tell you this...
I would rather associate with the pot smokers than the drunks I've encountered.
The smokers, in my opinion, are generally the ones who initiate the most interesting conversations. The drunks usually began their sentence with, " I think I'm gonna puke".
For all of you to mesh the smokers into one large, ignorant herd is completely assinine!
The OP asked a simple question. I shall give the answer.
You do what feels right to YOU. You know in your heart what is the level of comfort you're willing to deny yourself in the name of love.
I have known many smokers who are brilliant scholars and contributing members of society. I think many of you would be surprised if you knew who in your community is a closet smoker. So all of this crap about it making you stupid is IGNORANT!
BTW... Partof 1 and the other gal,, I have laughed my azz off reading your tirade back and forth!!!! | |
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| Should marijuana use be a deal breaker?
Posted: 5/28/2008 8:40:43 PM |
Thats all i got to say on subject.
Thank god. Now we don't have to be subjected to your perpetually ignorant uneducated pure drivel. Now go get your G.E.D. so you can then write complete coherent sentences. Oh for gods sake, drop the "ur". You sound like a high schooler texting your buds.
if pot was so great and wonderful, THE GOVERNMENT WOULD BE SELLING IT AND TAXING THE LIVING HELL OUT OF IT!
If they were SMART they would. But I've never heard anyone lately accusing the government of being smart about much of anything lately. It's all because of the drug, alcohol and tobacco industry lobbies. Educate yourself.
Hemp is the way - The emperor has no clothes.
http://www.jackherer.com/chapters.html
In particular, read this part:
http://www.jackherer.com/chapter06.html | |
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| Should marijuana use be a deal breaker?
Posted: 5/28/2008 8:44:22 PM |
Seriously though, you don't have to smoke weed, but you really should think critically, for it is blind obedience and complacency that allows the above to exist, fester and propogate. You're to blame.
Again, another "brilliant" post by a wonderful pro-weed person. Thinking critically, you think because you are pro-weed that it makes you think critically? You complain about me being brain washed, well, at least I never adhered to peer pressure. Your right, it is my choice to choose whether I want to put that crap in my body and I choose not to. Just because I agree with the government on that point doesn't mean I agree with everything. Drugs are bad, plain and simple. There are facts GALORE to prove it is NOT good for you. Yeah, you can make the argument about prescription drugs and I don't disagree with you on that. Alcohol, yes, it can kill you the same, never argued that point whatsoever. All I have said is this:
IS IT ILLEGAL TO OWN OR POSSESS MARIJUANA IN THE USA? YES OR NO?
We don't need more people wasting their lives away on weed. Plenty do everyday, more will follow. You can sit and argue about all these "scholars" you guys keep saying about, but funny thing, I have never met one person who was a "scholar" who smoke weed. All of them were ignorant, idiotic, and had no brains. As for the closet smokers, well, it is pretty hypocritical to say one thing and do another. Wake up people, do you actually believe the world will be better with illegal and illicit drug use being legalized? I can guarantee that it is a pandoras box you will not want to open. Can you imagine waking up one day and finding out a loved one was killed by someone who was wigging out on PCP or had a bad batch of weed? Just like the wonderful liberals, you say one thing and then when something changes, guess who changes with it. You talk about me being brain washed, you should look in the mirror my friend. I have no problem going to bed at night with a clear conscience knowing that I am contributing to society in a positive way, a positive role model for my nieces and nephews. How about all you pot smokers? Can you say the same doing illegal and illicit drugs? I should think not. I would never want my future kids looking up to you, that is for sure. | |
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| Should marijuana use be a deal breaker?
Posted: 5/28/2008 9:00:39 PM | Again, since we are spewing out facts, here are some more websites that state the obvious effects of smoking weed.
http://smoking.ygoy.com/2007/08/09/smoking-weed-bad-for-lungs/
http://www.drugabuse.gov/ResearchReports/marijuana/marijuana3.html
http://alcoholism.about.com/od/pot/a/pot_driving.htm
http://www.well.com/user/woa/fspot.htm
http://www.jointogether.org/news/research/summaries/2007/study-says-smoking-marijuana.html
You get my point. There is plenty of information out there that shows it is bad for you. Whether you choose to smoke or not, that is your choice. Don't cry about the consequences of what could happen as you choose to do this stuff to yourselves. | |
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| Should marijuana use be a deal breaker?
Posted: 5/29/2008 3:02:12 AM | | You can't think critically at all. That's to say, other than the top of your head, you don't have a point. Your plagiarised opinions are not worth reading. | |
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