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| Does LOVE exist...or do we just want it to so bad?
Posted: 5/14/2008 7:57:10 PM | I agree with Ryn also...you have to keep taking that chance no matter what...many things in life are painful....but some of those painful experiences give us gifts in the end!
I do believe in Love....and well...my heart is open to it...he will know just what to do! | |
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| Does LOVE exist...or do we just want it to so bad?
Posted: 5/15/2008 4:31:02 AM | Silly people...........take off your blinders..........we have love........our kids.......parents.......grandparents. It's called unconditional love....what more can we ask for. There was a time when I wanted love until I woke up and realized I do.......it's right before me.......all I had to do was to quit feeling sorry for myself!
UNCONDITIONAL LOVE:
This is the sincere love, the love that lasts forever. This kind of love comes when you have found the person you are destined to be with. Nothing can destroy unconditional love. It is like when you have an argument or disagree about something with that person and you realize that it doesn’t bother you because the love you have for him/her overcomes everything. | |
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| Does LOVE exist...or do we just want it to so bad?
Posted: 5/15/2008 10:24:50 AM | Unconditional Love??
This reminds me, there are I believe 5 different words for "love" in the greek llanguage.
Unconditional love is unquestionable..right??...wrong!!
In the case of romantic love....this is conditional...it must be exist both ways, or you might be classed as psychotic stalker....
can you have unconditional love for someone you once were romantically involved with ?/ yes ! but then it must change from romantic to another form of love such as "agape"
I think Ryn does express clearly ..in part...what I was saying. You must love your self first.
I aslo believe having respect for "love" as coming from a higher source...as being somewhat sacred is also important.
"Fly High"...I am sorry you think all I do is criticize others. Because frankly my intention is only to criticize you...AND THATS BECAUSE I LOVE YOU,BUDDY, AND KNOW YOU CAN TAKE IT!!
Oh yes, I also like to criticize idiotic, senseless, thoughtless, illogical and Enigmatic verbalizations. But we all should be able to criticism of our words without taking it personal. Even I once made that mistake. But then when I checked back , I found I was mistaken. | |
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| Does LOVE exist...or do we just want it to so bad?
Posted: 5/15/2008 11:03:17 AM | Enigmatic verbalizations . . . love it . . . lmao
Not to worry . . . those verbalizations are meant to be responded to . . . or at a minimum provoke thougtht. Yes, this is an invitation to criticize these words, too. :-)
This message is too short for E4U . . . and nothing to do with moderator restrictions, lol. | |
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| Does LOVE exist...or do we just want it to so bad?
Posted: 5/15/2008 12:13:13 PM | Tempt, nice try, but you’re not quite there yet
Roughly 11 lines of text:
2 lines on topic... 2 lines of repeating what others have said... 2 lines of ummm, I’m not sure what to call it, they made no sense.
5 lines of telling people their wrong, idiotic, senseless, thoughtless, illogical and Enigmatic verbalizations… with no explanation as to why
You say the criticism is directed at me, but in the very next line, you criticize enigma4u with shallow innuendo and childish name calling.
frankly my intention is only to criticize you...AND THATS BECAUSE I LOVE YOU,BUDDY, AND KNOW YOU CAN TAKE IT!! That reminds me of the classic abusive father, who’s going to “beat some sense” in to his kids.
Tempt, I know you love me, but you sure have a funny way of showing it… did God teach you that?... is that what you think love is?
I only type this in the hope that one day you will get past your fears, and will realize that there is no reason for such anger towards other people.
By the way… you can’t just say it, you have to act like it before anyone believes you… actions speak louder than words buddy. | |
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| Does LOVE exist...or do we just want it to so bad?
Posted: 5/16/2008 8:17:50 AM | I don't wonder if it exists...i know it does by the example of the humans to which i find forgiveness for...love to me is getting over my personal self to accept the other human is equal value to my value.
I think it is difficult to meet some other human who is like minded in the intrest section in the life pages however....
Love is a renewable resourse to every human on the planet but some are to buzy looking at everyone elses love pile to even notice their own...and one day they look at others and wonder why they feel empty/.....cuz they never bothered to count the blessings in there own lil pile...go look you got a love pile...we all do!!!
I have a waggin tail in my pile and it goes all the way over the sunset to the arms of my loving friends and family...who without a doubt are there in times of crisis.
AND THE STRANGE PART IS...
every single human has a love pile but for many it is hidden under the anger and resentment pile...lifts edge...right there...goodluck finding yours fishy....
just cuz you don't root in the love pile OFTEN does not mean ya don't got one...sheeesh | |
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| Does LOVE exist...or do we just want it to so bad?
Posted: 5/16/2008 9:10:00 AM | So if someone was on the "Spanking" thread and they were insinuating a strong need for a sexual abusing.....not mentioning any names, as that might suggest "elevated soaring"....wouldn't you feel a little obligation to comply. Would this not be a form of "LOVE".
By the way can anyone help me? I was kinda wondering in what way did "fly high" want me to show him love "in action". That comment makes me a little uncomfortable .
Anyway...I am going go focus on new thread...a much more relevant and pertinent one. | |
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| Does LOVE exist...or do we just want it to so bad?
Posted: 5/16/2008 10:49:51 AM | Ha, ha , ha .... boys ,boys, boys.... is the "sand box "getting a little too small ? Be good or i'll send you both home with your toys !....lol
TEMPT... behave or I'll beat some sense into you and well "elevated soaring".. u are a strange one... allways with the answers and soap box so handy...
The depth to which you comment on is one rarely visited by common folk and the functionally sane. I can see the reflect of many years of schooling,..."book smarts " ???
But the OT is ,...does LOVE exist ?
Simple answer,... yes on many plains and in many forms... as visited earlier by others..
Maternal love.... that held for your children, from that very first cry and breath, enduring till our own last breath...
Paternal love... that for family, a common family tree, relatives, growing up together, a history of support and "other things"
caring / impressionable love: reserved for friends and those we have met and they have won our respect, showed a measure or love in return either thru actions or simple emotional support...
then the duzzie ! ... romantic ! .... totally flucked up ! No rule book, doesn't make much sense, is so individualistic and uniquely specific to each "couple" it defies description but has the power to move mountains, leap tall buildings... and even drive people to the brink and beyond on failure !
There are many other forms ... Materialistic..., liquoristic.. aka "beer goggles" , situational..( the deserted island thing ) ,... and primal... ( just want to make IT... who's tonite's participant ? ...lol
to everyone... a big  , to the pretty >  , to the wild >  , and to the stalkers... out there ... &  .....lol   | |
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| Does LOVE exist...or do we just want it to so bad?
Posted: 5/16/2008 9:32:17 PM | unconditonal love,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, if we are lucky it comes around once in life time,,,, i passed it by and went fishing and guess what ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I quit fishnnn,,, this is not dress rehearsal ,, I took blinders off and few other things to see ,,, If you had it and chose to ignore it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, way all the options ,, and see if anything existed! People dont though away just cus just cus,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, cus it just maybe for real!
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| Does LOVE exist...or do we just want it to so bad?
Posted: 5/17/2008 5:39:21 AM | i don't often click on these forums but this morning this one caught my eye. i have read every post and have come to realize that every post has its relevance. this brings me to the conclusion, as in any subject, the need to convince others, as well as ourselves, that our beliefs right. that by posting our thoughts we are hoping for vindication from others.
because we have all experienced what we thought love was/is in earlier relationships are we looking to drag that past to the future or should we be looking for that love which is now? i'm talking about that love that renews itself every morning when one wakes and greets the other. knowing that no matter what transpired before we went to sleep the night before we are where we have chosen to be. | |
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| Does LOVE exist...or do we just want it to so bad?
Posted: 5/17/2008 9:41:29 AM | Canned Heat, maybe that's the problem?
because we have all experienced what we thought love was/is in earlier relationships are we looking to drag that past to the future
So many of us think what we once had was the real thing. We wonder why it was taken, why it was lost, and when it will return just as it was? Making us question if love exists. But really, if it were so "perfect" why doesn't it still stand before us??
For myself, I'm wanting(not looking) to be with someone who wants to be with me. Someone who wants to be my equal. Understanding that we're all our own person and respecting that. With that said, I'm not "looking to drag the past to the future", because this thought of mutual respect IS a new way of love for me. What I've wanted, thought I had, and still am wanting. | |
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| Does LOVE exist...or do we just want it to so bad?
Posted: 5/17/2008 12:08:55 PM | Wow how many pop psychologists do we have out there ??? lol .
Me, i'm selfishly simply advertising myself.... ya know... being humble Because I'm so great and wonderful ! ...lol
WTF... drag love from the past ??? Ya know we're not talking about tires here... more like paint.. with all it's sheens, textures, compositions and finally... the zillion shades of colors!
Paint = love ...( for the challenged ! )
Now each new person we meet, we may be attracted or lusting... but love comes with experience and time spent together the interactions... mutual consideration...
Now if you've felt the same thing over and over... then I'd say that you have not ever experienced love but confuse another simpler feeling with love.
One of those... you never know what your missing becuase you've never had or felt it ?
Well time to get off the soap box ! | |
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| Does LOVE exist...or do we just want it to so bad?
Posted: 5/17/2008 2:38:05 PM | Well, now ed...that was deep...seriously. Very deep and insightful. Actually soap boxes are great. I prefer, though, ed, to look at people ....like Shrek is...we are all onions.
Many times we keep being attracted to the same type of person that has hurt us before, or we keep doing actions that have sabotaged us before (like jumping in the sack within the first few dates. Not being critical here...been there - done that - didn't work out great).
So how do we fix that? Try going out with someone atypical? Try to keep our inner "urges" down? Or if ur urges are at an all time high (aka for women around 50 years of age) get a ---k buddy, then go out with a good guy and hope he understands? So many questions.....geeez.(.and no...I don't have a --- buddy). | |
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| Does LOVE exist...or do we just want it to so bad?
Posted: 5/17/2008 3:24:58 PM | Now I am not sure whether Ryn is saying you remind her of Shrek or an Onion, Edjoe. But she might be hinting that she is at an all time sexual high........that might food for thought on here...lol
Hell ! When you are 50 and you have "urges" , why bother "keeping our inner urges down".....face it it ! If you are lucky you may only have another 20 to 25 years of urges.
I say embrace your urges ! Quit being fake and pretending and coy.....thats the realm of the 20 and 30 year olds ( though experience is showing they probably should have more inhibitions for their own safety).
But we are talking about is LOVE...and that really has nothing to do at all with the above words. | |
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| Does LOVE exist...or do we just want it to so bad?
Posted: 5/18/2008 4:29:27 AM | Paint = love ...( for the challenged ! )
i like this analogy. an artist will, invariably, paint in the same style. every stroke of his brush on a new canvas can be found on a previous canvas. what then when the artist changes their style, is it done to attract a new following or is it done to satisfy a personal need?
Love, although it can be argued and discussed from many different perspectives, still remains an individualistic feeling. each and everyone has an idea of what love is or should be and no amount of cajoling will change that idea.
so romantic love for me is simple. it's not the need to be with someone but the want to be with someone. it's the willingness to understand the others personality and work with it. there are lines that, though, that should never be crossed, jealousy and dominance. | |
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| Does LOVE exist...or do we just want it to so bad?
Posted: 5/18/2008 8:07:50 AM |
This is true Tempt, but what I am saying is that we confuse these "urges" or the result of them, as love.
I think Ryn is correct. What some interpret as "love" is really physical attraction and although the attraction is a significant aspect of love, it is nothing without the rest of the package. I also agree that as thinking beings, we need to examine our past, identify the issues, and make corrections to get a better outcome in the future. | |
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| Does LOVE exist...or do we just want it to so bad?
Posted: 5/18/2008 10:44:40 AM |
I think Ryn is correct. What some interpret as "love" is really physical attraction and although the attraction is a significant aspect of love, it is nothing without the rest of the package.
and i agree but what, now, is the total package? | |
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| Does LOVE exist...or do we just want it to so bad?
Posted: 5/18/2008 3:49:49 PM | which brings us back to square one! maybe we could hold round-table discussions and come up with a set of guidelines that all could refer to! lol
we are all individuals with our own ideas and expectations thus necessitating communication. we either let the other know certain feelings or we don't, in which case the responsibility for the demise of a relationship falls to those unwilling to discuss. | |
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| Does LOVE exist...or do we just want it to so bad?
Posted: 5/18/2008 9:06:50 PM |
in which case the responsibility for the demise of a relationship falls to those unwilling to discuss
Sorry, but I disagree. There is no logic to a relationship. Sometimes the feeling just fades and it isn't an issue of fault.
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| Does LOVE exist...or do we just want it to so bad?
Posted: 5/18/2008 10:17:36 PM |
in which case the responsibility for the demise of a relationship falls to those unwilling to discuss. I think there’s a lot of truth to that, but I don’t think it’s an indicator of “fault”… sometimes you just want things to end, because deep down, you KNOW that all the talking in the world isn’t going to change things… finger pointing is useless, as both sides are usually to blame, if it doesn’t seem that way, you’re probably not looking back far enough in history.
There is no logic to a relationship. Sometimes the feeling just fades and it isn't an issue of fault. I agree that you shouldn’t expect a logical answer, but you should be able to expect a reasonable answer.
If it just fades away, I would have to ask WHY?... there has to be a reason… something must have changed... unless of course it wasn’t there in the first place, and we just thought it was.
Contrary to some peoples belief… sh1t doesn’t just happen… people make sh1t happen.
dianthus, none of that was directed at you specifically… | |
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