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 lizbeth2

Joined: 8/22/2007
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Posted: 6/14/2008 1:42:43 AM
Rebecca,

Your post sounds like the common sense that any parent should be required to have.
However, life is never as easy as a bulleted list of requirments that you have posted.
I was the "PERFECT PARENT"......until I had children of course!!!!

The reason we have family courts and judges instead of checklists is because of the intense emotions and disagreements between divorcing/seperating parents regarding the issues of the children.
It is rare a relationship breaks down without either party feeling betrayed or angry.
I think before any judge hears a case regarding custody or visitation...it should be mandatory for both parents to participate in a parental councelling course that will give some type of recomendations in how and when custody is awarded.

I take offense to your comments about Mother's...it seem's as if they are an afterthought to the thoughtful words you said about Father's.
I take nothing away from the comments about Father's you made, but I will accuse you of being patronizing towards the mothers which your first post has clearly demonstrated.
I find it odd that you have posted an opinion of inpartiality when you have obviously already decided which side you are on before you even posted this question.

Ask any parent who loves their child if they want to hurt them. I am guessing the answer is no 100% of the time.
The Childrens Rights Bill shouldn't only apply to the kids of divorced of seperated parents. It should be a common sense guidline for everyone who has a child.

It is the path that both parents mold for their children that will predict they're destiny.
We are all products of the enviorment we grow up in.
 awildirishrose

Joined: 4/30/2008
Msg: 52
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Posted: 6/14/2008 5:29:26 AM
Lizbeth,

I couldn't agree with you more....I also find it humorous how those that have never experienced the Joys and Pains of Motherhood, of actually raising a child can expound to know so much...Once can read all the Parenting Books they'd like, but until you experience it you haven't got a clue. As well as each divorce is so different, each situation so different, I know all I want is what is best for my children in this world, for them to go up Happy and Healthy..so far one down and one is a beautiful work in progress!!
 nataliestar2

Joined: 1/8/2008
Msg: 53
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Posted: 6/14/2008 12:04:46 PM
it is harder for some people to understand why single parents are single.

ive only been a single parent a year but although i agree that where ever possible a child deserves both parents i also know that it really depends on how u became a single parent in the first pace. all circumstance for single parents are different. some fathers dont deserve to be part of the childs life either by what they've done wrong to cause him to be discluded or in my case simply because he chose to walk away from his kids.
 ksr61

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Posted: 6/14/2008 7:58:57 PM

I also find it humorous how those that have never experienced the Joys and Pains of Motherhood, of actually raising a child can expound to know so much


I say the OP shows more inteligence on the topic of what is in the best interest of children than a great many of the parent posters in this forum.

Kenny
 lizbeth2

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Posted: 6/16/2008 2:02:53 AM
I say the OP shows more inteligence on the topic of what is in the best interest of children than a great many of the parent posters in this forum. ~ksr~

kenny...
It is always easy to judge any situation when you are biased towards one side.
I say it shows more intelligence to acknowledge both sides without throwing cheap shots...try provoking ideas and soloutions instead of arguements.
 awildirishrose

Joined: 4/30/2008
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Posted: 6/16/2008 5:44:42 AM

It is always easy to judge any situation when you are biased towards one side.


Well said Lizbeth. As a single parent of 2 beautiful daughters I can say from personal experience that Yes I have lied to my children about their fathers. For example the many times that Daddy failed to show up as promised. I lied, and said he called and got stuck at work, said you know how busy he is with his job baby..it's ok he loves you so much. Or how about the times he takes his girlfriend skiing in Tahoe for Christmas?? Geez now that was a tough one but I fumbled through the best I could. Recently my oldest daughter who is now 25 asked me why I lied for him all those years, why I made so many excuses for him. My only answer was I love you. She hugged me and her tears said it all. So for all of you who have never walked in my shoes, all I can say is lucky you. But see not all of us single Mom's that tell lies tell them in hurtfull ways, I would have loved for her Dad to have spent more time with her, but he just too busy with his "own life" to make time for her.
 pip35

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Posted: 6/16/2008 8:30:18 PM
Rebecca, it's really hard for people who have children and much more life experience than you to take you seriously.

And I don't think it's self-indulgent for parents to want that list of stuff earlier in the thread. A happy, well-adjusted parent is a great role model. A parent who completely devotes their life to their child(ren) isn't, and the child grows up with an over-inflated sense of importance.
 NaturalWiccan

Joined: 6/10/2008
Msg: 58
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Posted: 6/16/2008 10:25:09 PM
[Nobody has the corner on this stuff. I can't believe anyone makes money marketing these lists.]

Give it to Zimmy's Childrens Needs and Rights Manual

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 NaturalWiccan

Joined: 6/10/2008
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Posted: 6/25/2008 1:28:17 PM

A child needs and deserves to have both biological mother and father in their lives


remove "biological" and insert "A" and then you have it right---Proadoption rights would have a HAY DAY with you also many other situations do not make it so appropriate to have both or even one biological parent available.

Ex#1. the grandmother raising her grand children because mom is a drug addict and dad is in jail for beating up the kids.

Ex#2. the teenage mom who righeously gave up her baby because the baby deserved better than she was able to offer at the time

Ex#3. a parent loses their rights because of trying to commit suicide and puts the children at risk.

I am sure there are many other stories out there and what I am saying is just love your kids and show them that there are things to live for. Just because mom/dad can't/won't be there doesn't mean you are going to leave them.
 dreamboat333

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Posted: 6/26/2008 8:05:52 AM
NaturalWiccan on 6/25/2008 wrote:


"A child needs and deserves to have both biological mother and father in their lives"-remove "biological" and insert "A" and then you have it right---Proadoption rights would have a HAY DAY with you also many other situations do not make it so appropriate to have both or even one biological parent available.


In such cases as dissolution of marriage and subsequent custody adjudication it is the standard and norm to consider the biological parentage of a minor child above all other bonds as supremely important.

The supreme court of the United States has ruled that the bond between biological parent to child is a bond of the highest order and is the corner stone of this nation (due to the fact that the nation is founded, in natural order, upon the families of which it is comprised).

"Proadoption rights" which you refer to is vague and ambiguious. I have been fully processed, CPS interviewed and approved, and given local and state clearance to adopt and in the months of classes I took the only reference I found to "biological parentage" was that the government and courts favor reunification of biological families.

I believe that this presumption of unification between biological families and our government's desire to keep families (biological) together stems from this same US Supreme Court set of rulings as well as our Judeo Christian morals and values.



Ex#1. the grandmother raising her grand children because mom is a drug addict and dad is in jail for beating up the kids. - Ex#2. the teenage mom who righeously gave up her baby because the baby deserved better than she was able to offer at the time - Ex#3. a parent loses their rights because of trying to commit suicide and puts the children at risk.


In all of your examples with the exception of the involvement of the grandparent, the government and courts favor reunification of the biological family with the biological parent as the first right of refusal.

Children are distressed by divorce. Contact with both parents should start immediately after separation.

Family Court has judges, lawyers and mediators who often show considerable resistance to more enlightened views of post-divorce parenting.

Studies show that only 38 per cent of children up to two years old living with single mothers stay overnight with their fathers, compared to 60 per cent of children aged 3 to 4.

The notion of an exclusive attachment to the primary parent (76% of which are mothers) is based on an outdated view of parent-child relationships. Recent research shows infants can form multiple attachments that contribute to their sense of security.

In the United States, 23.9 million children live absent from their biological fathers!
Fatherless children represent:
63% of teen suicide
70% of juveniles in state-operated institutions
71% of high school dropouts
75% of children in chemical abuse centers
80% of rapists
85% of youths in prison
85% of children with exhibit behavioral disorders
90% of homeless and runaway children

Statistics show that children who are raised in families without a strong biological father role model experience significant emotional, physical, social and financial problems later in life.

I think we can all agree that we should keep such considerations about the children and what is in their best interest as opposed to letting our own socio-political agendas get in the way.

For this reason I am so pleased to have this area to discuss all things having to do with Child-Centered, Single Parents.
 Durken

Joined: 5/8/2008
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Posted: 6/26/2008 10:37:33 PM
OP,

I'm just wondering, why a 32 year old woman who has no kids but dating a guy who has a daughter, types a whole diatribe on here????

I mean it seems that you've researced somewhat, sorry but after a paragraph I got bored of the rest and couldn't understand what made you type the WHOLE thing, but exactly what is the reason behind it all considering you're in real estate and nothing to do with social services, cps, etc. and you're not engaged?
 Durken

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Posted: 6/26/2008 10:46:33 PM
UMMMMMM....dreamboat33, sorry to tell you man, but you're totally wrong about....

"The supreme court of the United States has ruled that the bond between biological parent to child is a bond of the highest order and is the corner stone of this nation (due to the fact that the nation is founded, in natural order, upon the families of which it is comprised)."

The KY state court ruled that "If a married woman has a child with a single man then that man has no right to see the child if the married couple does not wish for him to be involved, for the sanctity of the marriage"

It was appealed and the Supreme Court heard the matter and ruled in favor of that 5-4 as well.
 Durken

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Posted: 6/26/2008 11:03:09 PM
The single man does not have to pay child support, alimony, nothing!

The mother is married to a Naval officer who was on leave so she had an affair in Florida and found out she was pregnant then moved to KY to live with hubby's parents even though she knew it wasn't hubbys. The husband came back and thought the boy was his til it came out then a DNA test was done and she confessed to the affair and to who the bio-father is and then he contested for joint custody of his son. DENIED!

I know.... awful, ridiculous, beyond human comprehension, want to pulverize the fuk out of the supreme court, etc and just too damn hard to even think about the assinine reprecussions of it all :((((((((((((
 Rebecca352

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Posted: 6/27/2008 8:00:36 AM
klopper wrote:


I'm just wondering, why a 32 year old woman who has no kids but dating a guy who has a daughter, types a whole diatribe


Because I liked the way it looked in print - and because I would like to open an area where people who want to discuss how they have successfully worked things out for the sake of their kids can post success stories.

I totally believe that hearing people celebrate their successes is so much more helpful that people engaging in an endless pis*ing contest.


I mean it seems that you've researced somewhat, sorry but after a paragraph I got bored of the rest...


As grown ups we are perfectly capable to getting up and turning the channel and if you got bored, why didn't you just move on to the next, more titilating thread?


but exactly what is the reason behind it all considering you're in real estate and nothing to do with social services, cps, etc. and you're not engaged?


I grew up in a family where family law court was a pretty regular afair and I, as a child of divorce/custody battles represent a voice worth listening to because, having been though it - I am willing to do my part to make a change.

Sorry parents celebrating their successes is not as exciting to you as whatever else it is that holds your attention.

Maybe the reason I opened this discussion should actually have been to demontrate to the readers who, as your post illustrates, we tend to look for a car crach, train wreck and fist fight before we look for a solution to our problems... the wrong things make us listen.
 dreamboat333

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Posted: 6/27/2008 8:08:53 AM
klopper, regarding your recent post, dated: 6/27/2008, wherein you wrote:


UMMMMMM....dreamboat33, sorry to tell you man, but you're totally wrong about...."The supreme court of the United States has ruled that the bond between biological parent to child is a bond of the highest order and is the corner stone of this nation (due to the fact that the nation is founded, in natural order, upon the families of which it is comprised)."


REALLY? Dog gone... shudduh dun muh homwurk, huh? Oh, wait... I did:


United States Supreme Court Parental Rights Caselaw - http://www.liftingtheveil.org/supreme-court.htm
M. L. B. v. S. L. J.
US, 117 S. Ct. 555 (1996)
Choices about marriage, family life, and the upbringing of children are among associational rights this Court has ranked as "of basic importance in our society," rights sheltered by the 14th Amendment against the State's unwarranted usurpation, disregard, or disrespect. This case, involving the State's authority to sever permanently a parent-child bond, demanded the close consideration the Court has long required when a family association so undeniably important was at stake.

Santosky v Kramer
455 US 745 (1982)
The fundamental liberty interest of natural parents in the care, custody, and management of their child is protected by the 14th Amendment, and does not evaporate simply because they have not been model parents or have lost temporary custody of their child to the State. A parental rights termination proceeding interferes with that fundamental liberty interest. When the State moves to destroy weakened familial bonds, it must provide the parents with fundamentally fair procedures.

Lassiter v Department of Social Services
452 US 18 (1981)
The Court's decisions have by now made plain that a parent's desire for and right to "the companionship, care, custody, and management of his or her children" is an important interest that "undeniably warrants deference and, absent a powerful countervailing interest, protection." A parent's interest in the accuracy and justice of the decision to terminate his or her parental status is, therefore, a commanding one.

Quilloin v Walcott
434 US 246 (1978)
We have little doubt that the Due Process Clause would be offended "if a State were to attempt to force the breakup of a natural family, over the objections of the parents and their children, without some showing of unfitness and for the sole reason that to do so was thought to be in the children's best interest." Whatever might be required in other situations, we cannot say that the State was required in this situation to find anything more than that the adoption, and denial of legitimation, were in the "best interests of the child."

Smith v Organization of Foster Care Families
431 US 816 (1977)
In this action, individual foster parents and a foster parents organization, sought declaratory and injunctive relief against New York State and New York City officials, alleging that the statutory and regulatory procedures for removal of foster children from foster homes violated the Due Process and Equal Protection Clauses of the 14th Amendment. The ruling contains an analysis of the rights of natural parents as balanced against the rights of foster parents, as well as a comprehensive discussion of foster care conditions.

Moore v East Cleveland
431 US 494 (1977)
The Court has long recognized that freedom of personal choice in matters of marriage and family life is one of the liberties protected by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. A host of cases, tracing their lineage to Meyer v. Nebraska and Pierce v. Society of Sisters have consistently acknowledged a "private realm of family life which the state cannot enter." When the government intrudes on choices concerning family living arrangements, the Court must examine carefully the importance of the governmental interests advanced.

Cleveland Board of Education v La Fleur
414 US 632 (1974)
The Court has long recognized that freedom of personal choice in matters of marriage and family life is one of the liberties protected by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. There is a right "to be free from unwarranted governmental intrusion into matters so fundamentally affecting a person as the decision whether to bear or beget a child."

Stanley v Illinois
405 US 645 (1972)
The private interest here, that of a man in the children he has sired and raised, undeniably warrants deference and protection. The integrity of the family unit has found protection in the Due Process Clause of the 14th Amendment, the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment, and the 9th Amendment.

Wisconsin v Yoder
406 US 205 (1972)
In this case involving the rights of Amish parents to provide for private schooling of their children, the Court held: "The history and culture of Western civilization reflect a strong tradition of parental concern for the nurture and upbringing of their children. This primary role of the parents in the upbringing of their children is now established beyond debate as an enduring American tradition."

Loving v Virginia
388 US 1 (1967)
In this case involving interracial marriage, the Court reaffirmed the principles set forth in Pierce and Meyers, finding that marriage is one of the basic civil rights of man, fundamental to our very existence and survival. "The Fourteenth Amendment requires that the freedom of choice to marry not be restricted by invidious racial discriminations. Under our Constitution, the freedom to marry, or not marry, a person of another race resides with the individual and cannot be infringed by the State."

Griswold v Connecticut
381 US 479 (1965)
The 4th and 5th Amendments were described as protection against all governmental invasions "of the sanctity of a man's home and the privacies of life." The Court referred to the 4th Amendment as creating a "right to privacy, no less important than any other right carefully and particularly reserved to the people." Reaffirming the principles set forth in Pierce v. Society of Sisters and Meyers v Nebraska.

Prince v Massachusetts
321 US 158 (1944)
It is cardinal with us that the custody, care and nurture of the child reside first in the parents, whose primary function and freedom include preparation for obligations the state can neither supply nor hinder. And it is in recognition of this that these decisions have respected the private realm of family life which the state cannot enter.

Skinner v Oklahoma
316 US 535 (1942)
"We are dealing here with legislation which involves one of the basic civil rights of man. Marriage and procreation are fundamental to the very existence and survival of the race."

Pierce v Society of Sisters
268 US 510 (1925)
The liberty of parents and guardians to direct the upbringing and education of children was abridged by a proposed statute to compell public education. "The fundamental theory of liberty upon which all governments in this Union repose excludes any general power of the state to standardize its children by forcing them to accept instruction from public teachers only. The child is not the mere creature of the state; those who nurture him and direct his destiny have the right, coupled with the high duty, to recognize and prepare him for additional obligations."

Meyer v Nebraska
262 US 390 (1923)
"No state ... shall deprive any person of life, liberty or property without due process of law." "While this court has not attempted to define with exactness the liberty thus guaranteed, the term has received much consideration and some of the included things have been definitely stated. Without doubt, it denotes not merely freedom from bodily restraint but also the right of the individual to contract, to engage in any of the common occupations of life, to acquire useful knowledge, to marry, establish a home and bring up children, to worship God according to the dictates of his own conscience, and generally to enjoy those privileges long recognized at common law as essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men."


Ooooooooooooooh, SNAP! Don't cry.
 sweetjemgirl

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Posted: 6/27/2008 8:43:14 AM
I'm just wondering, why a 32 year old woman who has no kids but dating a guy who has a daughter, types a whole diatribe.......

mean it seems that you've researced somewhat, sorry but after a paragraph I got bored of the rest...

but exactly what is the reason behind it all considering you're in real estate and nothing to do with social services, cps, etc. and you're not engaged?
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Among a few others^^^^^

OP I think I'd be much more willing to believe and even take time to read your input if you had children. I find it hilarious when someone who has not children and doesn't even work with children, has no experience dealing with divorce involving children try to give advice on this issue.

Being a child of divorced parents is not the same as being a divorced parent. Although there was a little bit of value in the little bit of what I did read, I just am not really able to put alot of credibility on someone who has no personal experience in the issue. Come talk to me after you have your own kids and are married/divorced. And even married couples have severe problems parenting together.

My ex and I were awful parents together, fought about everything. As divorced parents we learned to get along so good for our childs sake, we were much better parents divorced and to this day are very good friends, he is a great friend and role model to my other child, and excellant father. I found parents in our situation who shared their personal experience very helpful. Sorry but I just can't credit your wisdom as anything more then good reading and research, I can do that on my own.

I couldn't read through the whole post as it wasn't all that meaningful to me, I have read more then my share of parenting books, divorced parent books and all the other psycho babble. NOTHING can compare to hands on parenting, you can not fully understand what a parent, whether single or not, goes through.

AND PARENTS CELEBRATING THEIR SUCCESS IS VERY EXCITING - SOMETHING YOU PERSONAL CANNOT RELATE TOO.

I celebrate my success each and everyday. I succeed best when I learn from my mistakes, every parent makes mistakes and they are only failures when they fail to learn. NO child has the perfect upbringing - NONE. And no amount of reading and parenting stuff will produce a perfect parent. I am a much better parent with my last child then my first - why? LEARNING THROUGH BEING A PARENT, HANDS ON EXPERIENCE. So forgive me for being harsh, but you have nothing to offer me, I have read all your info sites/ect. I would rather hear from other parents to be honest.
 dreamboat333

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Posted: 6/27/2008 9:31:51 AM
In defense of the opening of this thread - I AM a divorced parent and I love that this area is provided for us to talk about how we are working constructively with our former spouses for the sake of our kids.

I am presently working things out with my former spouse and I am actually quite pleased to have this area available for the sharing of information that is supportive of parents who, likewise are trying to keep the kids first in the process.

It has not been an easy decade of divorce fall out - but like I have always reiterated:

"I love my kid more than I dislike the bulls*it I have to go through to parent her".

And it's true - it isn't always easy. Pride has to take a back seat more often than not and I really have to keep in mind that there is a good reason why.

Still - the wonderful feelings of throwing birthday parties for my little angel with their mom present, makes me feel good. It makes me feel like I have done something really encouraging for my kid to let them see mom and dad working together for the benefit and out of love for the child.

As for the person who opened the discussion - quibbling over their "worthiness" to have opened it seems pretty lopsided in light of the obvious need to have had it opened - although I may be totally wrong about that (but I'm not).

sweetjemgirl on 6/27/2008

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I celebrate my success each and everyday. I succeed best when I learn from my mistakes, every parent makes mistakes and they are only failures when they fail to learn. NO child has the perfect upbringing - NONE. And no amount of reading and parenting stuff will produce a perfect parent. I am a much better parent with my last child then my first - why? LEARNING THROUGH BEING A PARENT, HANDS ON EXPERIENCE. So forgive me for being harsh, but you have nothing to offer me, I have read all your info sites/ect. I would rather hear from other parents to be honest.


Respectfully, you have been offered an opportunity to air that bile, which you seemed happy to do - and you have also "celebrated your success" albeit a little bitter and angry in tone.

So maybe if we put EGO back in the box and just celebrate our successes as you have said we can learn from and help one another?

Unless personal attacks and bragging is what you really want out of the program?

"Snarky - it's a word, google it" - Dane Cook "Viscious Circle"
 Durken

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Posted: 6/27/2008 11:46:13 AM
rebecca 352,

Ok, I understand now and thanks for letting me know more. Your posts come from your childhood so your just venting about it and what you've learned from it. Sorry to hear about your harsh growing up, you've done a pretty good job for youself though

I don't care to hear about crashes, wrecks, or fights. Sure I feel bad for those who are hurt including their families and friends as most of the time it was started by some crazed idiot but they will always happen and we'll just sit on our aysses in traffic wasting money and precious time for it.

What offended me was that you typed pages worth which reminded me of social services, cps, etc. in that they hire these young or middle aged singles to make case determinations when they don't have kids thus have no comprehension of being a parent at all. Yes, they may want to have kids and may help others raise their kids but marriage is blood to blood. Just relying on their raising experience plus an associates or bachelors degree so majority of time they make bad decisions.

Best of everything to you
 Durken

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Posted: 6/27/2008 11:59:54 AM
Dreamboat...

You don't know that this case just happened in May 2008.

The first Supreme Court post that you quoted about the bio parent to child totally conflicted with the 1996 one as well.
 gypsy_rose85

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Posted: 6/27/2008 12:06:46 PM
ok i am going to sound harsh and i apologize in advance. So what are we suposed to do? drag the man by his ear to come see the kid? My ex was realy messing with my son's head. he showed up to 6 supervised visitations in a year and he had visitation rights once a week. he got another girl pregnant and ran away 1000s of miles away and leaves both kids with out fathers he has called Xzavier once in the year he has been gone! also his father was a violent man. would you want a child unsupervised with a violent person??? No i do NOT talk bad about his father in front of him. When he starts asking why is daddy not with us and i am going to be half honest. I am going to tell him daddy was sick (i didn't find out untill we broke up affter 2 1/2 years together he has 5 mental disorders one is phyctsoprenia) it is partialy the truth and it is put in a way that will not put bad thoughts in his head. I am not going to tell him how abusive his father was or anything.
 Durken

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Posted: 6/27/2008 12:09:08 PM
Also Dreamboat, I realllllly hope you did not type all of that and just somehow copied a page and knew how to transfer it to pof.

If you did type it, oh man, I appreciate it but please don't do that for me ever as I wouldn't want anybody to hurt their fingers nor go through all of that just to prove a point.
 Durken

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Posted: 6/27/2008 12:21:10 PM
Gypsy,

No apology needed...I'm not a sperm donor so please bash his ayss all you want!

Why would you even fuking care about needing to drag the punk ass to see his kid? You make yourself look far worse than your ex with that statement.

Aren't you better than that to be able to find a good man for yourself and your son so he forgets about the punk or are you that low of a single parent that believes "that is your father" and let your son be dramatized forever?
 Durken

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Posted: 6/27/2008 12:25:47 PM
I so know what you're talking about Dreamboat

"Pride has to take a back seat more often than not and I really have to keep in mind that there is a good reason why. Still - the wonderful feelings of throwing birthday parties for my little angel with their mom present, makes me feel good. It makes me feel like I have done something really encouraging for my kid to let them see mom and dad working together for the benefit and out of love for the child."

Thank God everyday for giving us the strength to swallow our pride man. It sounds like you're doing a great job, to you!
 gypsy_rose85

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Child-Centered, Single Parents.
Posted: 6/27/2008 12:28:14 PM
ok it has only been about 2 1/2 years sence we seperated also I AM NOT i repet NOT going to date a man JUST so he has a father. I am picky i want a man who is a good role model for my son, someone who treats BOTH of us good. He has a male role model in his life. he has Grampie And with the dragging by the ear comment it's what this woman makes me feel like what should be done. It's like she is saying we should FORCE our children's Absent parent to see our children. It is ludacrious. I am doing the best i can for my son. Yes i live with my parents for MULTIBLE reasons. 1 is so he does have a male role model 2 i do not make alot of money and know for my childs wellbeing it is best we stay here. If i did not care for my son i would move out and let my pride rule me. It sent a real harsh mental blow that i had to move back home because i wanted to care for my son without my famileis help but i know it is needed. And what do you mean over dramatized? that senctance makes no sence. do you mean tramatized????
 Durken

Joined: 5/8/2008
Msg: 75
Child-Centered, Single Parents.
Posted: 6/27/2008 1:06:10 PM
It's ok Gypsie,

I know you've been told this and only 23 so just gonna mention it for whatever worth. You need to re-evaluate your priorities in life because you're still accepting your own baloney excuses thus allowing grandpa to be a male role model and haven't divorced. Grandpa is grandpa, not a DAD, and you're still in love with the punkass otherwise you'd have already been divorced 2 years ago.

You're not child-centered, you're self centered thus fooling yourself and your family and son will always lose.
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