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| Is this Canada's dirty little secret? Posted: 5/12/2008 1:50:56 PM | Canadians do have the Right to Bear Arms. Duh... No shit Sherlock, did you figure that out all on your own or did someone help you with it?
What you don't seem to understand is that it is NOT the same thing as the US 2nd Amendment (which is misunderstood itself by many Americans)
I will quote you the relevant idea and its wording (Blackstone's Commentaries). Please pay close attention.
5. The fifth and last auxiliary right of the subject, that I shall at present mention, is that of having arms for their defense, suitable to their condition and degree, and such as are allowed by law. Which is also declared by the same statute I W. & M. st.2. c. 2. [English Bill of Rights] and is indeed a public allowance, under due restrictions, of the natural right of resistance and self-preservation, when the sanctions of society and laws are found insufficient to restrain the violence of oppression. First I will quote Blackstone's Commentaries (considered one of the pre-emminent formulations of common law, especially in the US) on the application of this right
And all these rights and liberties it is our birthright to enjoy entire; unless where the laws of our country have laid them under necessary restraints. Now I will explain to you what all that means.
It means that the "right to arms" is a qualified right. In other words, it may be limited by law as is prudently necessary ("and such as are allowed by law", "unless where the laws of our country have laid them under necessary restraints")
It also qualifies the right according to capacity AND social status ("suitable to their condition and degree". This is a reference to the keeper of the arms, not the condition of the arms themselves).
Now that you have a proper understanding of how "right to arms" bears upon common law (especially in Parliamentary systems based on common law such as Canada and the UK) your point is...? | |
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| Is this Canada's dirty little secret? Posted: 5/12/2008 2:49:37 PM | ^^^^^ such as are allowed by law and unless where the laws of our country have laid them under necessary restraints.
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That means conditional and a privilege. No cigars for you bud. Laws have made it difficult for a subject to carry heat.
2nd amendment here has always been clear and proven recently by the Supreme Court. It's just that for a numbers of years, liberals have attempted to cause confusion with militia and individuals. A woman from DC, finally forced the Court to end the liberal BS of not bearing arms. | |
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| Is this Canada's dirty little secret? Posted: 5/12/2008 3:00:10 PM |
^^^^^ such as are allowed by law and unless where the laws of our country have laid them under necessary restraints.
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That means conditional and a privilege. No cigars for you bud. Laws have made it difficult for a subject to carry heat.
2nd amendment here has always been clear and proven recently by the Supreme Court. It's just that for a numbers of years, liberals have attempted to cause confusion with militia and individuals. A woman from DC, finally forced the Court to end the liberal BS of not bearing arms. What the f*ck are you going on about?
What part of
What you don't seem to understand is that it is NOT the same thing as the US 2nd Amendment (which is misunderstood itself by many Americans) did you miserably fail to understand?
And what part of
It means that the "right to arms" is a qualified right. In other words, it may be limited by law as is prudently necessary ("and such as are allowed by law", "unless where the laws of our country have laid them under necessary restraints")
It also qualifies the right according to capacity AND social status ("suitable to their condition and degree". This is a reference to the keeper of the arms, not the condition of the arms themselves). did you miserably fail to understand?
Do you run some sort of 'bot that searches out "2nd amendment" just so you can make a knee-jerk response with no clue what you are responding to?
Unglue your knee from your chin (I hear acetone works well on crazy glue) and at least make a minimal effort to understand what you are responding to. | |
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| Is this Canada's dirty little secret? Posted: 5/12/2008 3:53:28 PM | . Hmm... looks like mungo is having a bad hair day.
Well mungo I just thought that was kinda kool thats what the point was all about:
Trading Democracy for Corporate Rule Part one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp5HOLvKn2I
However since canadians apparantly are to shocked that their country could do such a thing to post to this thread maybe you busted me with an error huh?
From the article:
Many Canadians believe (and our government would certainly have us believe) that there is no Right of the citizen to keep arms for their own use and defense, like the US Second Amendment, in Canadian law.
We have this Right, though our government is attempting to suppress it and deny citizen's their age-old right to self-defense with the egregious and unconstitutional (not to mention horrendously expensive) Firearms Act and other proposals.
It leads one to wonder why the government so wants an unarmed and defenceless populace. See The Legal basis for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms in Canada.
Now I thought the article was all about canadians as awhole thought that their privilege was underwritten, which is to say that the canadian government would like everyone to believe that it was underwritten and their ability to own and bear reduced and his point was that is not true. I have no idea what you were ranting about? Is this like another one of your red herring diversions?
Like all I really care about is that I can woof down and totally pig out on walleye for 2 weeks then come back here so its not like I make the canadian charter one of my favorite reading enterprises.
I suppose technically the US constitution is a qualified right too. Anyone able and anyone not in jail. I suppose that means if you are blind, or in jail, or dont have any fingers, or to ignorant to point the barrel away from you that would be the qualifications in the US constitution.
Now the states and the feds can pass all the bullshit rules they want and when the shit hits the fan its just that, bullshit rules. Unless and until they actually amend the constitution all these wonderful rules are unlawful and technically unenforcible under the constitution.
Hence the force of our constitution overules bullshit and it is the responsibility of the citizenry at large to insure the force of the constitution is upheld when tyranny and despotism become "unbearable".
Seems to me that Mero has a good point there. If its not "uncharterly" to pass legislation that falls under your charter with the ability to restrict your ability to bear arms that seems to me like its nothing more than a privledge, not a right, as rights "cannot" be taken away "LAWFULLY" by any authority "without the consent of those affected".
So enlighten me as to how a "qualified right" has the same force in law as an "inalienable right". . | |
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| Is this Canada's dirty little secret? Posted: 5/12/2008 4:23:47 PM |
Seems our friends to the north are under attack too huh? I'm still gonna lock and load if they come knockin. No question about it ! | |
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| Is this Canada's dirty little secret? Posted: 5/12/2008 4:35:56 PM | As I understand it Canadian law is based on Common law.. inherited from England
It doesn't work like American Law.. though I am sure that there are others here who can explain it better than I could.
I've never been under the fallacy that I could not bear arms in Canada, however there is the little obstacle of the F.A.C. which I'm okay with if it prevents convicted felons of easily obtaining weapons (yes, yes, I am aware of how criminals usually obtain weapons)... of course I grew up in the west where just about everyone and their dog has a gun rack in their pick-up truck. (or did when I was out there) and most of my friend's dads hunted in the fall. Then there were my native friends on the reserves... they have their own militia.
Oh, and although I detest them, Cuban cigars are on the menu too.
Manitoba? lol | |
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| Is this Canada's dirty little secret? Posted: 5/13/2008 3:05:59 PM | . What sets the US apart from I think all other governments is that we have what is called "inalienable" rights, in a republican form of government, in which no governing agent has the authority to infringe upon our inalienable rights. (arguably they have been increasingly infringed upon over the years with dubya over the top.)
Our laws are based on, well, law in general, but mostly common law and blackstone, the inalienable part I think is from islamic law, we have a senate and a house etc so its sort of a combination that I think they felt was the best of all worlds.
Which indians btw have maintained their militia? cherokee? blackfeet? maybe? Which ever I can see they have direct experience in dealing with the US government. :) . | |
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| Is this Canada's dirty little secret? Posted: 5/13/2008 5:28:32 PM | My understanding of Manitoba is that it's very rich in electricity. Manitoba sells the majority of her electricity to North Dakota (go north stars go!). Manitoba is very far from capacity and is building damns every day. So, if Manitoba is overlooked by the rest of Canada that is Canada's mistake as Manitoba has an abundance of rich, clean, renewable energy.
There really is no stopping the integration of the two countries, or the world for that matter. | |
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| Is this Canada's dirty little secret? Posted: 5/13/2008 6:54:30 PM | | Has anyone else noticed that Harper cannot look up at the camera ? Is this just a wierd falw in his character or is he just a shamed to look at people? | |
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| Is this Canada's dirty little secret? Posted: 5/14/2008 3:48:20 AM | Nwmke you show your complete ignorance of Canadian politics again. So does rather stupid article fragment you posted.
According to the same english common law that you posted, there is a concept called parliamentary supremacy, namely that parliament has the highest power in the land, and can not be over ridden.
Thankfully due to the constitution act of 1982 changes have been made. There are two areas that parliament can not over ride (and in fact have had their hands slapped and laws overturned on)
The Canadian charter of rights and freedoms, which has a very comrehensive set of rules by which Canadians can be treated under law, you know, free speech, no discrimination based on race. ect.
But no right to bear arms. (sorry, please try again!)
and its status as a federal state. In which powers are shared with the provinces, and countries have jurisdictions and what do you know, if you want to change how the provinces and federal government relate in power (and boundaries ect.) you get into that extremely difficult and near impossible system of constitutional reform.
One thing the best guy here and I agree on. Harper is a toad. | |
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| Is this Canada's dirty little secret? Posted: 5/15/2008 4:24:57 PM |
One thing the best guy here and I agree on. Harper is a toad. Imagine hell froze over and they didn't show it on fox news ? | |
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| Is this Canada's dirty little secret? Posted: 5/15/2008 8:21:54 PM |
Thankfully due to the constitution act of 1982 changes have been made. There are two areas that parliament can not over ride (and in fact have had their hands slapped and laws overturned on)
The Canadian charter of rights and freedoms, which has a very comrehensive set of rules by which Canadians can be treated under law, you know, free speech, no discrimination based on race. ect.
But no right to bear arms. (sorry, please try again!)
and its status as a federal state.
Yup charly here is a perfect example of freedom of speech in canada.
Ernst Zundel interviews Prof. Roger Dommergue in France. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=purWmOFl8qc
With such a perfect government that you are blessed with maybe you can explain why and what possible reason such a free society would have to silence Ernst Zundels political views?
Canada Restricts Freedom of Speech.--
The U.S. Department of State reports on human rights activities in foreign countries, including Canada.
The Supreme Court has ruled that the government may limit free speech in the name of "GOALS" such as ending discrimination, ensuring social harmony, or promoting gender equality. It also has ruled that the benefits of limiting hate speech and promoting equality are sufficient to outweigh the freedom of speech clause in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, which is the country's bill of rights incorporated in the country's constitution. http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2006/78883.htm
Yeh charly the right to free speech EXCEPT if they want to take it away!
That is not a right that is a privilege!
So now you want me to believe they can take away your privilege to free speech if its one of their GOALS but they somehow mysteriously cannot or will not take away your privilege to bear arms?
Dont you see how silly that is?
Like what are you smokin man?
You aint got no rights, Its purely "Mother may I". . | |
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| Is this Canada's dirty little secret? Posted: 5/15/2008 11:45:06 PM | It's not even a "privilege" it's Napoleonic law.
Which may explain why they want everyone to have a chip implant. You go into the forbidden zone you're excommunicated.
bwhahahahahaha | |
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| Is this Canada's dirty little secret? Posted: 5/16/2008 12:10:07 AM | Hey Nwmike thats a great report, shall we look at it's conclusions?
The government generally respected the human rights of its citizens, and the law and judiciary provide effective means of addressing individual instances of abuse. Human rights problems included harassment of religious minorities, violence against women, and trafficking of persons to, from, and within the country.
Thanks!
and a little bit further...
The law provides for freedom of speech and of the press, and the government generally respected these rights in practice. An independent press, an effective judiciary, and a functioning democratic political system combined to ensure freedom of speech and of the press.
The Supreme Court has ruled that the government may limit free speech in the name of goals such as ending discrimination, ensuring social harmony, or promoting gender equality. It also has ruled that the benefits of limiting hate speech and promoting equality are sufficient to outweigh the freedom of speech clause in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, which is the country's bill of rights incorporated in the country's constitution.
Basically you have the same restrictions in your "no fire in a theater" we try to discourage people from telling people to set fires to theaters because muslim/jews/black/white people are inside them.
Yup charly here is a perfect example of freedom of speech in canada.
Thanks!
Oh wait unless you're NOT trying to imply *I'm* a perfect example of freedom of speech in Canada. | |
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| Is this Canada's dirty little secret? Posted: 5/16/2008 11:01:04 AM | .
me:
Ernst Zundel interviews Prof. Roger Dommergue in France. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=purWmOFl8qc
With such a perfect government that you are blessed with maybe you can explain why and what possible reason such a free society would have to silence Ernst Zundels political views?
No charly not at all, I wanted you explanation WHY DID CANADA VIOLATE ERNST'S PRIVILEGE TO SPEECH
The question isnt to difficult for you is it?
Basically you have the same restrictions in your "no fire in a theater" we try to discourage people from telling people to set fires to theaters because muslim/jews/black/white people are inside them.
Yes charlie but you see here it is unconstitutional and if ever taken to court should be thrown out as such.
My point remains the same charly, you gotta ask mommy for permission to speak and if you dont like it shutup because mommy did not give you permission to speak and if you persist mommy will cut you off from milk and honey as mommy did to Ernst.
If there was ever a case to be made against the national ID card here this is a perfect example of precisely how other governments, yours treat people they "dont like". . | |
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| Is this Canada's dirty little secret? Posted: 5/16/2008 1:44:00 PM |
Yes charlie but you see here it is unconstitutional and if ever taken to court should be thrown out as such. No, it's NOT unconstitutional. The principle HAS been taken to court, many times, even as far as SCOTUS and has been upheld. Freedom of speech does NOT include the freedom to incite panic or violence.
No charly not at all, I wanted you explanation WHY DID CANADA VIOLATE ERNST'S PRIVILEGE TO SPEECH The Canadian courts did NOT violate Zundel's freedom of speech (see above for why, the same principle applies). If you ever reach a level of cognitive development where you acquire the ability to view the world from logic rather than delusion you might actually understand that. | |
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| Is this Canada's dirty little secret? Posted: 5/16/2008 10:18:57 PM | . Oh no not another one of those who thinks the supreme court is our little american monarchy.
It most certainly is unconstitutional, just because scotus made a ruling and no one gives a shit enough to hold them at gun point to correct it does not make it constitutional.
I will give you that mungo, that is I will gove you the one on canadia "technically" did not violate his rights since he has to have a "RIGHT" before anyone can violate it! 
Pretty tough to violate a privilege.
Well I am certainly cognitive enough to know and understand that one isnt firing on all 8 cylinders if they want to compare a constitutional-monarchy to a constitutional- republic and do not comprehend the difference between rights and privileges.
See if he was here he could have sued and won because his "RIGHTS" would have been violated, but since he is in canadia he is up the shitty creek without a paddle.
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| Is this Canada's dirty little secret? Posted: 5/17/2008 5:31:12 AM | Hi mungojoe & others
I'd like to thank you all for your input here. Have been trying to get these conspiracy theorists to start a thread in the humour section so we can all join in laughing at them but they just cut and run at the first sign of anyone talking sense.
I do however think there would be many social and economic benefits from such a merger of your two nations as we have seen many do here in Europe in the last few years.
You and Mexico together with the USA could maybe compete with China, India, Europe and others in the next couple of decades. Lifes going to get a lot tougher when their not number one in the world anymore.
Some of the things I have read from some Americans in here has shown a total lack of understanding of global issues and they could benefit from associating with another people not transfixed with fear. As one of the Commonwealth members I hope that you understand about unity and the benefits it's brings us all. | |
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| Is this Canada's dirty little secret? Posted: 5/17/2008 7:29:13 AM | .
I do however think there would be many social and economic benefits from such a merger of your two nations as we have seen many do here in Europe in the last few years.
You and Mexico together with the USA could maybe compete with China, India, Europe and others in the next couple of decades. Lifes going to get a lot tougher when their not number one in the world anymore.
Why not just make the world one huge state eve?
Then we can all be in eternal unity and peace while sitting around the camp fire and singing kume bi ya?  . | |
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| Is this Canada's dirty little secret? Posted: 5/17/2008 7:49:05 AM |
Oh no not another one of those who thinks the supreme court is our little american monarchy.
It most certainly is unconstitutional, just because scotus made a ruling and no one gives a shit enough to hold them at gun point to correct it does not make it constitutional. Actually, yes it does make it constitutional.
Article 3, section 2 of the Constitution:
"The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority; to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls; to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction; to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party; to Controversies between two or more States; between a State and Citizens of another State; between Citizens of different States; between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects."
Illustrative of this role:
The interpretation of the laws is the proper and peculiar province of the courts. A constitution, is, in fact, and must be regarded by the judges, as a fundamental law. It therefore belongs to them to ascertain its meaning, as well as the meaning of any particular act proceeding from the legislative body. If there should happen to be an irreconcilable variance between two, that which has the superior obligation and validity ought, of course, to be preferred; or, in other words, the constitution ought to be preferred to the statute, the intention of the people to the intention of their agents.
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| Is this Canada's dirty little secret? Posted: 5/18/2008 3:58:43 AM | . That interpretation is an opinion, this was ratifed:
Drafted by Thomas Jefferson between June 11 and June 28, 1776, the Declaration of Independence is at once the nation's most cherished symbol of liberty and Jefferson's most enduring monument. Here, in exalted and unforgettable phrases, Jefferson expressed the convictions in the minds and hearts of the American people.
IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain UNALIENABLE RIGHTS, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their RIGHT, it is their DUTY, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government.
Damn it feels good to read that and to embrace real liberty!
Using a court system is practical. All of america really does not need to review every case that floats through the supreme court so we have a group of nice loyal committed honest judges that do that little task for us.
You can quote the monarch Hamilton, the nice jewish boy from the house of rothschild who helped put in the first national bank which is equivalent to the unlawful federal reserve we have now that jackson originally kicked out of the country, you can quote that federalist if you like, but its my boy Jefferson who's work is ratified.
You can approach this like a nice canadian monarchy if you like but you see we are a repblic and the court does not have the last word on the constitution and neither does the senate.
That is the difference between our governments and we not only have the right but the DUTY to overthrow the government if our rights are continually abridged.
If mummy does not give you permission to speak and you dont like to it, to bad, you just tuck in your tail like good boys and gurls and go back to your corner and stfu.
The moral of the story is you all have to ask mommy for permission to speak and we tell mommy and daddy we are going to speak whether they like it or not. . | |
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| Is this Canada's dirty little secret? Posted: 5/18/2008 5:16:44 AM | NwMke,
At last progress. Huray huray. Yes we should make the world one huge state headed up by the United Nations. That way we can respond as human beings to the earthquake in China, Hurricane Katrina, the Burhma Cyclone, the 2.5 million people facing death from starvation in Somalia etc. etc.. If we stood together as a 'human race' rather than as different 'gangs' as we do now, then we might just get to sit around that campfire singing as you suggest.
It's worked here in Europe where countries with hundreds of years of war, entrenched hatreds and irrational fears are now sharing coffee in the sunshine and realising how pointless all those deaths were.
Most borders and boundaries are man made. They are ephemeral and usually cost millions of lives to create, defend or enlarge. The land on which you stand was not always known byy the name of America and you being born on it doesn't make it yours.
It would be a giant step forward for your country if you offered American citizenship to every person in Mexico and in Canada. The benefits we are seeing here in Europe are beyond anything we might have imagined and if you don't welcome them into your union then we in Europe will eventually do so.
Did you know that there are over 600 million people in the world who have or are entitled to have a british passport?. It doesn't stop them from being Indian or Bangladeshi or anything else. It just entitles them to be part of everything that makes Great Britian great and we are all the better for having them. | |
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| Is this Canada's dirty little secret? Posted: 5/18/2008 5:48:22 AM | Eve, This is exactly what the US is trying to prevent....your so called sitting around the camp fire is a hoax and will never happen the hatred you dismiss is real and will not go away! The terrorist live for this!
Did you know that there are over 600 million people in the world who have or are entitled to have a british passport?. It doesn't stop them from being Indian or Bangladeshi or anything else. It just entitles them to be part of everything that makes Great Britian great and we are all the better for having them.
Oh really? let's look and see how well this plan is working?
Bin Laden's Eurofighters By Yassin Musharbash
242 jihadists, 31 attacks, 28 networks. After examining militant Islamism in Europe, researchers have found that self-recruitment is on the rise among terrorist leader Osama bin Laden's Eurofighters, and that there is no such thing as a standard terrorist.
Dutch researchers Edwin Bakker and Teije Hidde Donker had an ambitious goal in mind when they wrote: "We must find out who the jihadists are, where they come from and what they look like." Although they were not able to answer that question in its entirety, their study, "Jihadi Terrorists in Europe," does offer plenty of fascinating results.
They researched the stories of 242 people who, between 2001 and 2006, were organized in 28 networks, planned 31 attacks and, in some cases, executed or allegedly executed these attacks. (Some are still considered presumed terrorists because their cases are still pending.) The list includes little known plots, such as the attempt to attack the Spanish Supreme Court in 2004, as well as prominent terrorist attacks, including the murder of Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh in 2004 and the 2005 London bus and subway bombings.
One of the most important findings of the Dutch study is that there are no standard jihadists. According to the researchers, the 28 networks they identified differ considerably from one another. In some cases, authorities were dealing with individual attackers, whereas more than 30 people were involved in the 2004 bombings of trains in Madrid. The data also cover a wide range when it comes to the attackers' ages. The youngest was 16 and the oldest 59, which makes the average age of 27.3 years not especially meaningful.
Homogeneous cells
Internally, however, the cells are surprisingly homogeneous. Pakistanis generally get together with Pakistanis, Moroccans with Moroccans and -- as in the case of -- Lebanese with Lebanese. Most jihadists are men. Only five women appear in the study.
There are also few differences when it comes to goals and methods. Transportation systems were by far the most common targets, and in many cases explosives were the weapons of choice. The choice of specific targets was consistently perfidious: the plans were directed exclusively against civilian facilities or civilians themselves. Of the 242 jihadists, 11 were suicide bombers -- and they were the ones who committed the most devastating attacks.
Great Britain and the Netherlands have proven to be at the greatest risk during the period studied, with 12 of the networks operating in Great Britain, seven in the Netherlands, four in France and three each in Spain and Belgium.
Searching for a profile
By far the most interesting aspect of Bakker's and Hidde Donker's study is their analysis of the origins and radicalization of the attackers and presumed terrorists.
A total of 29 nationalities are represented, but there are clear clusters. The 55 Algerians in the study make up almost one-fourth of the entire sample. Together with other North Africans, they account for more than half of those studied. They were most likely to be active in those countries where many of their countrymen had settled: France, Spain and Belgium.
The second largest group consisted of 24 attackers of Pakistani ethnic origin whose attacks were planned primarily for Great Britain.
Eve......as you can see it's not all roses and camp fire socials drinking tea and having crumpets with the Terrorist They want you dead as much as anyone else! So your wonderful union is so wonderful huh Mate? so spare us the euro liberal crapola! | |
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| Is this Canada's dirty little secret? Posted: 5/18/2008 6:15:43 AM | . Sure they want all of us dead. (and with damn good reason too)
We kicked them in the teeth countless times and at some point they are going to get pissed off and retaliate.
We supply iran with wmd's overthrow their democratic government and insert a dictator then accuse them of having them and an evil dictator.
We supply iraq with VX and a dictator then when he does what dictators do we accuse him of being a dictator and use it for an excuse to take over.
We tried to over throw chavez and the ven people rioted on the capital and the cia had to back off. Now the propaganda mills are churning full tilt trying to buy american support against him.
We created al k da using bin laden and the mujahadeen, supplied them with arms and money to attack the russians.
We insert the tally ban then cry that they too are the evil ones.
If they did to our countries what we have done to theirs how long would it take before we would get pissed and want some blood?
We drove them to it and are in effect murdering them in a political genocide to irradicate all dissent to our immaculate conception of world government that started out as peaceful protests years ago and has escalated into this.
We are next! Correction we are in the midst of it but many people are to uninformed or like eve living in a utopian lala bubble to either care or do anything about it.
Suffice to say we create evil in the world then when they realize how we screwed them and fight back we get righteous.
Eve spews utopian puke like I could not dream up in my wildest fantasy but then I am faced with the constant reality of this government infringing on my rights in the name (insert phantom here).
We created our problems and continue to create even bigger ones in the face of world stoopidity, and you bet we will get blowback off of this one too. I think its time we point the finger at the guilty not the patsy. . | |
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| Is this Canada's dirty little secret? Posted: 5/18/2008 6:44:42 AM |
Religion_of_Eve: NwMke, At last progress. Huray huray. Yes we should make the world one huge state headed up by the United Nations.
WTF is up with this?
You have made and will make ZERO as in ZIPPO progress with me, and the way you talk you are fast making NEGATIVE PROGRESS with me.
Nice conflation and absolute misrepresentation of my points in argument.
If you think anything you have said to date represents anything remotely close to what I stand for you are smokin some seriously good shyt and are in a coma and beyond any ability for rational thought!
Thats pretty damn underhanded and low to insert YOUR OPINION as if it were mine then agree with it no less, presenting it as if it bore any resemblance of truth, and I would appreciate if you would refrain from lying about my position to leverage YOUR view ok. . | |
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