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Posted: 5/9/2008 7:27:34 AM | By the way...
The three weeks going to music festivals with the very good looking 36 yr old educated woman was her treat to me..
Her father was head of one of the divisions of GM.
She can afford it.... Peace....  | |
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Posted: 5/9/2008 8:58:59 AM | no; I don't care about laws. I care about my morals and who I'm with. I would never date one.
STD's are a very major problem in the U.S. and also just the fact that she was with so many people. NO way; not for me. | |
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Posted: 5/9/2008 12:10:24 PM | Mmm, to me how could just 1 guy get the attention of a prostitute and hold it long enough for them to become an item much less getting married...
Not sure how I could handle asking her how her day was at work... As I would think the answer would be long and hard... | |
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Posted: 5/9/2008 12:36:35 PM | Abelian as much as you want to goad me into a fight it's just not going to work. Have a wonderful day.
Once again, you assume something without any basis because you didn't read my reply before responding. Rather than say ``Have a wonderful day,'' why don't you just not revise what I write to fit your preconceptions? If people didn't go out of their way to miconstrue, misrepresent and distort what others actually say, everyday would be wonderful. | |
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Posted: 5/9/2008 1:26:22 PM | Abelian, I'm not judging anyone. I am simply stating the facts. Prostitutes sleep with alot of people. To me, that is not the type of person I want to be intimate with. To me, sleeping with alot of people is disgusting. Prostitute or not.
How can you possibly say that prostitutes are more careful than me or anyone else? The simple fact that they sleep with anyone for money is not being careful. She/he can't always know 100% of the time that their 'client' doesn't have a disease. As for me, I prefer monogamous relationships. A whole lot more careful, don't you think. No one is 100% safe. But we certainly don't take bigger risks than necessary with our health.
I think you're pretty brave to admitt on here that you've slept with plenty of escorts. But it's definitely not something to be proud of. | |
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Posted: 5/9/2008 2:20:51 PM | I hope what I'm about to say will come out the right way (English is my second language). And I don't expect anyone to agree or even understand why I feel the way I do. And it's not to start a debate about what or who is right or wrong. They're just my own thought and opinions on this topic that is very close to my heart (and not just because of what I mentioned in one of my earlier post).
Here goes...
*If* someone has been (or still goes) with a person who works as a prostitute or as an escort and treats that person with dignity, respect, compassion, and most of all, as a *human being* , then I don't see why that person should have anything to be ashamed of. A grown man (or woman) hires and pays for the services of another grown man (or woman) and *if* for that 15 minutes or one hour or whatever the case may be, they both give and receive what is expected of the transaction, all the while remembering that this is a human being they're dealing with, and NOT just a human semen receptacle, then I can live with that.
And the minute I put these words down on paper, I cringe. I cringe because in an ideal world there would be no such thing as a "price" put on a human being. I cringe because although I know there are many men who do indeed treat these women kindly, I know that there are many who don't.
And whether I personally agree with prostitution or not is so beside the point it's not even funny. Prostitution has always existed and it always will. To think otherwise is to live in denial in my opinion.
The thing to do (in my opinion), is to remove the stigma, the shame, the "sin" factor and make it better for these women (and men) who choose to provide this service. This way, we would also be removing the exploitation factor (the underworld, pimps etc.) from prostitution.
And that's something I feel that we, as a society, should all be ashamed of. In my opinion again, that is where the real shame is. I believe that most of us are nothing but a bunch of hypocrites. We all KNOW it's out there, but we pretend it isn't.
Meanwhile young men and women continue to be exploited and killed everyday. Sigh. My solution? Well... since I can't magically "fix" the world and make it all warm and cozy, I'll have to settle for the next best thing...legalize prostitution.
Love and peace 
PS. To clarify an earlier post ...I didn't mean to say that all or most "johns" didn't or couldn't respect a prostitute and treat her/him well...my wrath was directed at those johns who don't. I know that many do in fact treat them very well and with respect. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
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Posted: 5/9/2008 6:37:49 PM | I have nothing against ppl who work in the sex trade for a living,
but I don't want to date a hooker.
Just a personal preference.
Plus,I value my health,and hookers have been around the block more than once.lol | |
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Posted: 5/9/2008 6:42:24 PM | | I really don't know what a hooker looks like anyways. Last time i was in vegas, this girl comes up to me and say " want a trip around the world for 200 dollars" I said "No thanks, I have my own travel agent, besides that sounds like a shitty airline" | |
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Posted: 5/9/2008 6:48:01 PM | | ^^^ In Vegas one came on to my 80 year old father. Yikes ...of course he said NO. But he still talksm about it!!! | |
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Posted: 5/9/2008 6:49:26 PM | | oh dear my best friend was a prostitute for years, she was abused and then thrown out and so when she got hungy she went to a phone box and looked in a phone book and found the word "escort" and got work straight away, she was 14 at the time. Can't stand the judgement of prostitution I'm afraid....yeah am sure she loved doing it. | |
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Posted: 5/9/2008 7:01:35 PM | I watched this documentary once, they had this 30 yr old prostitute there, she said she'd been with more than couple thousand men....
couple thousand.....
yeah I'd love to be with one.......................................................NOT! | |
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Posted: 5/9/2008 7:18:12 PM |
There is no conclusive proof but it seems like old Bill Shakespeare was quite the whore himself.
Just because someone sleeps around, does not make them a whore. A whore derives profit from there favors. William's picadilos were merley for pleasure as he made his profits off his plays and sonnits. William was refering to the fact that women ( and some men) leading up to and durring his time, used sex as a means of survival. It is not so much true today, but it was a nessissary evil back in his time and even afterwards. Women were second class or even lower citezens(in the time that he wrote his statement) A woman had to marry just to survive most the time. If you could not find a man through marriage in that time you became a whore for sure. It was society and how they treated women that forced this. IT WAS NEVER THE WOMEN"S FAULT! that being said, he was not saying it to insult women, but to empower.
Countless women in the dark ages who were widdows wernt allowed to marry. they took on servents not to merley do work for them, but to satiate what they could not derive by laws of those times. Hence many men became whores as well. | |
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Posted: 5/11/2008 3:46:36 PM | "Abelian, I'm not judging anyone. I am simply stating the facts. Prostitutes sleep with alot of people. To me, that is not the type of person I want to be intimate with. To me, sleeping with alot of people is disgusting. Prostitute or not. "
Prostitutes sleep with alot of people is a fact but everything else you say in this paragraph is just opinions. Many people say having more sexual partners doesn't make you a sinner. and having less doesn't mean you are a saint.
"How can you possibly say that prostitutes are more careful than me or anyone else? The simple fact that they sleep with anyone for money is not being careful. She/he can't always know 100% of the time that their 'client' doesn't have a disease. As for me, I prefer monogamous relationships. A whole lot more careful, don't you think. No one is 100% safe. But we certainly don't take bigger risks than necessary with our health."
Actually they are more careful They have to be They are having more sex. They're entire livlihood depends on it. A prostitute who's slept with 100 men but used a condom with every single one of them is less of an STD risk then a woman who's slept with only 2 or 3 men and didn't use a condom because she was on the pill or didnt want to offend her potential bfs by asking them to wear protection. or some drunken college girl who gets hammered and goes home with a stranger. Where as no decent hooker or escort will ever sleep with a client or do anything with a client without protection. Some men (and even women) are not interested in monogamous relationships They should have other options to relieve their sexual urges. I have more respect for hookers then I do for gold diggers, or auto mechanics and other bussinesspeople who rip off their customers.
"I think you're pretty brave to admitt on here that you've slept with plenty of escorts. But it's definitely not something to be proud of"
It's not something to be proud of (and I don't see where he said it was you're putting words on his mouth) but it's not something to be ashamed of either it's his body and it's his bussiness. | |
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Posted: 5/11/2008 4:05:11 PM |
nebula22 ::::: By the way... The three weeks going to music festivals with the very good looking 36 yr old educated woman was her treat to me.. Her father was head of one of the divisions of GM. She can afford it.... Peace....
.......... and you are trying to say...?? What? ... that you are prostituting yourself?? | |
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Posted: 5/11/2008 9:54:53 PM |
Abelian, I'm not judging anyone. I am simply stating the facts.
Yes, you are judging and no you aren't ``simply stating the facts.'' I included the exact text addressed by my reply. You said:
Of course nobody would want to date and certainly never marry a prostitute.
Which part of that is factual and/or non-judgmental?
Prostitutes sleep with alot of people. To me, that is not the type of person I want to be intimate with. To me, sleeping with alot of people is disgusting. Prostitute or not.
If you had said that, I would not have felt it necessary to reply, but that is not what you said.
How can you possibly say that prostitutes are more careful than me or anyone else? The simple fact that they sleep with anyone for money is not being careful. She/he can't always know 100% of the time that their 'client' doesn't have a disease.
Precisely how does sleeping with someone for money translate into being less careful than sleeping with someone for no money? In what way does someone who isn't a prostitute know 100% of the time that his/her partner doesn't have a disease? Furthermore, your generalizaton of a prostitute as someone who sleeps with ``anyone'' for money is no different than a generalization like, ``Blondes are airheads.'' Contrary to the misconceptions of people with no firsthand knowledge of that which they offer their opinions, many escorts do not sleep with ``anyone for money.'' The ones I've met (which is quite a few more than I've visited professionally) will not sleep with ``anyone.'' I know one (who is just a friend) who turns down 9 out 10 potential clients who call.
As for me, I prefer monogamous relationships.
So do I. However, there seem to be a lot of people who post here who have different preferences, yet I doubt all of those who don't prefer monogamy are prostitutes or clients of prostitutes, so I'm not sure I understand your point.
A whole lot more careful, don't you think. No one is 100% safe. But we certainly don't take bigger risks than necessary with our health.
Define ``necessary.'' You can live your entire life without sex, so obviously you are taking an unnecessary risk if you have sex. Beyond that, the issue is not taking a greater risk than necessary to get something you WANT. What you want and what someone else wants aren't necessarily the same. Furthermore, you haven't provided anything but your opinion regarding risks. You certainly don't know what I do to minimize my risks, much less offer any objective argument that what you do is safer. Escorts are far more likely to insist on safe sex practices because their livelyhood depends upon being informed and staying healthy.
The majority of men who visit escorts are married, so even if their wives are monogamous, how does that result in the wives being subjected to less risk? I'm monogamous when in a relationship (and at the moment. I am in a relationship and monogamous), so I don't understand your point here, either.
I think you're pretty brave to admitt on here that you've slept with plenty of escorts.
But it's definitely not something to be proud of.
It's very annoying to have people deliberately misconstrue or misrepresent what I write, much less completely make it up.
(1) Where did I admit that I've ``slept with plenty of escorts?'' Define plenty.
(2) Exactly why would such an admission involve bravery?
(3) Why does stating a fact like ``I've dated a couple of escorts,'' or ``I've visited escorts,'' cause you to read it as something other than a factual statement? The truth is that I consider having done those things to be like having ridden a bicycle. It's something about which I'm neither proud nor ashamed. It is just something I've done and I have no regrets about having done so. My best friend is an escort and although I've never even seen her naked, let alone slept with her, I only met her through an escort I had visited. If she were to retire and have a desire for a long term relationship, I'd marry her in a second for the simple reason that in all the years I've been dating, I've never found anyone to be all that she is in terms of personality, intelligence, common sense, temper, integrity, trustworthiness and everything else that people seek in marriage partners. Why would I rule out this person just because she was an escort?
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Posted: 5/11/2008 10:25:59 PM |
How can you possibly say that prostitutes are more careful than me or anyone else?
First, I didn't say that prostitutes are more careful than YOU. What I said is that, in general, prostitutes are more careful than civilians. I base that generalization on the fact that I have experience with both (mostly with civilians) and found that prostitutes almost universally insist on practicing safer sex. | |
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Posted: 5/11/2008 10:59:02 PM | | Sure I know lots of guys who would date or even marry prostitutes. They're called PIMPS. But don't get me wrong they have jobs too. I mean someones got to deal the drugs | |
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Posted: 5/11/2008 11:37:12 PM | [ An escorts' livelyhood depends on staying healthy and I'd bet that as a rule, they are more careful than you are, unless you're a virgin and plan to stay that way]
In case you forgot Abelian, you were addressing me in this statement. So yes you did say that escorts are more careful than I am.
Tell me again how an escort is more careful than me. I fail to see the reasoning in this.
[An escort's livlihood depends on being healthy. ] So does mine.
Does she get tested everyday for std's? Because she is having sex everyday with multiple people. I'm not. But I have been tested. Does she use condoms every single time? I do. But condoms don't work every time. Does she get to pick who she sleeps with? I do. Come on. Give me a break.
I am not judging escorts. I am stating MY opinion. I choose not to sell my body. It's MY body. I don't wish to do that. And the woman who is an escort, it is HER body. If she wants to sell it, than she can. And I choose not to be with an escort. It's my personal choose. I'm not attracted to someone who sells their body. Why is my opinion so hard for you to accept? You don't have to like it. But it is my right to voice my opinion. You want to be with an escort or two. Go right ahead. More power to you. You have that right. Don't be so angry with someone who doesn't wish to be with an escort. It's like you are telling me I'm shallow because I don't want to be an escort or have sex with one. Doesn't make sense to me.
I am not a shallow person. I am not against anyone being who they want to be.
I do apologize though for saying that no one would want to be with an escort. Apparently there are. But I am not one of those people. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 5:46:36 AM | I didn't know one could "date" a prostitue.Is that by the hour?
I know we've all seen "Pretty Woman" but...does this happen in real life??? | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 7:39:03 AM | Okay so I know that I cracked a joke about this subject a few replies ago but I'd like to address this topic on a serious note now. I actually work with an organization that teaches occupational health and safety to working girls so it's a topic that I know quite a bit about. Specifically I work with about 20 ladies that work in a parlour and do this job. When I first started I can remeber having all kinds of judgements surrounding them and why they choose to do this kind of work but in all honesty this last year had reallt changed my perspective on the whole matter. I love my girls for the people that they are and not for the job that they do but I'd like to tell you about a couple of them.
In working with them I have gotten to know more about how they commonly get into the buisness and the reasons they do it.
One girl I work with grew up in foster care. She was bounced around from home to home with no stability and never feeling any love from another human being. So when she was in high school and she was swept off of her feet by an older man it was easy for her to fall under his thumb because all she ever wanted like everyone else on the planet is to know that she mattered and that somebody loved her and cared for her. So this guy romanced her for awhile, treated her better than she'd ever been treated and waited until he'd convinced her that no one would ever love her they way he did. Then when he had convinced her of this he told her that if she wanted to continue to be with him she would have to start bringing money into the house by selling her body or he would send her back to her foster parents. Terrified of going back and believing that this guy really did love her and feeling like she loved him she agreed and thus became a working girl.
Another girl I work with was a victim of a sexual assult when she was 17 years old and became pregnant. She had no education, no work experience and wanted so badly to be able to keep her baby and give it a good life that she did the only thing she could think of and started seeling herself.
Another girl is from a communist country. She escaped to a neighbouring country and then to my country but her whole family is still back home and because of their religious beliefs their lives are in jepordy every day. This girl came to my country thinking that if she worked hard enough she could pay for them to join her. Working a normal 9-5 job she would never be able to reunite with them in her lifetime. Thus she became a working girl.
On and on these stories go and some of them are quite heartbreaking. These women are not drug addicts. They are not dirty women who believe in selling their bodies in order to make a quick buck. They are beautiful, kind, loving women who are doing what they can to survive with what they were given.
So my question is do these girls deserve to be loved less than people who don't work? Are they, because of their past mistakes or bad decisions deserving to be alone forevever? are their sins really worse than anything we ourselves have committed? I read all the time on these forums about women who sleep with men on the first date or bring a guy home after the bar and sleep with them. The only distinguishment is that these women sold themselves for a cheap dinner or a couple of drinks. They justify it by saying they felt a connection or their judgement was impaired or they are sexually liberal people. Are their resons for doing it more justified than the girls I work with's reasonings?
I am not saying that people should be willing to date prostitutes if they don't feel like it. Obviously it's each persons choice what they are or are not willing to accept in a partner. Some men won't date a woman who he knows has had a one night stand. Completely your decision. I just wanted to point out hat even though these people do something you don't agree with they are still people and they deserve all of the respect, integrity and sense of decency and dignity that every other person does. It is not what they do as a profession that defines them as people any more than any other profession. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 3:50:00 PM | prariechick2
Escorts may not be more careful then YOU per se. They are much more careful with their health then most people give them credit for. They often dismissed as disease ridden drug addicts. That's not always the case. Some live the stereotype others don't That's all. We know you're voicing your opinion. Just because someone disagrees with your opinion doesn't mean they are taking away your right to voice it. So all this "it's my right to my voice my opinion" talk is meaningless. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2008 4:57:42 PM | [ Just because someone disagrees with your opinion doesn't mean they are taking away your right to voice it. So all this "it's my right to my voice my opinion" talk is meaningless]
Zian, did you read all the posts? I don't care if someone disagrees with me. It's more entertaining when they don't. Lol.
[They are much more careful with their health then most people give them credit for.]
How many prostitutes do you know personally? Are you a pimp and know this from experience? There are probably prostitutes that do practice safety as much as possible in that line of work. That's good. But there are those that i hear about that don't. Some are drug addicts,etc. And it's very sad. I don't blame them for taking drugs so they can perform. I can imagine the type of johns they get. I'd be on drugs too.
And your opinion is meaningless to me too. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2008 8:14:41 PM | This post was originally about whether or not we would date a prostitute....It has now become a battle of who's right and wrong.......Everyone is entitled to decide who they would date or not................
But to continuously condemn what one does in their personal life is quite ignorant.......As long as someone is not hurting anyone else, how is it YOUR business??
Abelian,,,,I wish there were more people like you in the world :-) | |
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Posted: 5/13/2008 9:01:06 PM | My ex married one last year...17 January 2007----we were divorced August 2007.
And really thought and or thinks he's married now.
He's such a funny little ole man.
I don't know as far as trust, but then who could actually trust either of them...........
She was a selling it and he was a buying it.
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Posted: 5/13/2008 9:13:51 PM | I laugh at some of these responses....
First off, prostitutes are safer than the majority of people engaged in sexual encounters because they are aware of the risks and use absolute protection. Unlike most of you that don't.
Secondly, it seems like some of you are extremely closeminded as well as ignorant and think that prostitution means sex..once again, slightly wrong.
If more people took care of their partners, there would be no need for a hooker.
Now, it is extremely rare to find a woman that doesnt "sell" it in one form or another...the wife that decides to put out for her hubby because it's the night before payday and she wants a new couch...the chick that decides to give her old man some head because she just has to have those new shoes...or the dude that gives his woman some face so he can get her off and she wont bug him when he wants to go to the game with his pals....the list goes on.
The only difference between a hooker and you is she is blatant about the price.
Also, there are many paid ladies that do not even engage in sex or else are limited in what they provide, ie: cuckolding, domination, strictly fellatio...once again, the list goes on.
One more thing, before you look down your nose at someone that provides a service that is sexual in nature..odds are, someone you know was sexually inappropriate with a young female and took away her value system about her body, thus making it easier for her to sell it. Also, more than likely, someone you know has sold it and paid for it and in your objections to it, you're merely perpetuating the myths and the stereotypes.
Don't be so quick to judge.
If you were a better companion, lover, communicator, you would be everything to your partner and thus eliminating the need for the occupation. | |
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