| Why Do So Many Women Require That I Must Love God?
Posted: 5/8/2008 3:42:09 PM | So find someone who requires that you don't have to love God. It's kind of a no brainer. There are smokers/non-smokers. Drinkers/non drinkers, religious folk/non religious folk.
They just aren't the ones for you.
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| Why Do So Many Women Require That I Must Love God?
Posted: 5/8/2008 3:49:30 PM | | Most women probably want marriage and if they are Christians they want a Christian husband. I for one wouldn't marry or date an aethist. No offense but to be equally yoked in a relationship is wonderful. It means you are on the same plane so to speak. | |
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| Why Do So Many Women Require That I Must Love God?
Posted: 5/8/2008 6:44:19 PM | Unfortunately there are a lot of niave fishies.
My test is to coin myself a "secular humanist". If they look horrified, they're probably way too "Godly" for me. If they look confused, then I figure we'll get on alright. If they actually know what it means... I'm shocked and impressed! | |
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| Why Do So Many Women Require That I Must Love God?
Posted: 5/8/2008 8:32:37 PM | Ok... Regardless of religious persuasions - Musicianfriend, I am going to tear one of your statements to shreds from a historical perspective.
You stated:
4) The new liberal thinking of the past 40 years is miserably failing and people want to go back to their roots. We want Mayberry USA, Leave it to Beaver etc back. That was a much better time in America. People went to church and even if they didnt really believe,,,,the country was united and the church instilled good values in the people...
First off, the idea of the 1950s being the model for America is pure fantasy. History shows us that the 1950s in America was far from perfect...
Women didn't have many choices other than to get married and raise a family. Men who couldn't afford to go to college had to serve in the armed forces(as my dad did) for even a chance to go to college and that wasn't always possible if they were married - They had to support their family!
People of different races and ethnic backgrounds were discriminated against in housing, jobs and education. That was in the North as well as the South.
And last but not least, we did not have an instantaneous electronic media to record and transmit our every move ... Some may think that good, However - families had to put up with decades of physical, mental and sometimes even sexual abuse that went unpunished because the abuser had influence.. whether it was a father, mother, business leader, politician, cleric, etc.....
I could go on but you get my point. Religion notwithstanding, I wouldn't want to live in the 50s for anything.
I would love to get my hands on an original 53 Corvette though!
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| Why Do So Many Women Require That I Must Love God?
Posted: 5/8/2008 8:39:11 PM | If not, and yes this is my bias talking, but the first mention of God or Jesus on a profile makes me instantly question the intelligence of that person and if they are scantily clad, I wonder if the prospect of Jesus watching during sex is a turn on for these people, or if they find that slightly perverted. Then I move on to the next profile. Sorry God-wads
Dani I actually agree with your post above. I am not by far an athiest but I also dont go to church. I have my own belief. but it does turn me off to see someone write about the lord in a profile. I think its because I feel as though church is all I would hear about. Im like you ......next profile lol. Im glad to know im not alone in my thoughts on that. | |
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| Why Do So Many Women Require That I Must Love God?
Posted: 5/8/2008 9:02:25 PM | If the mention of God or Jesus in a profile turns some people off so much then there is a very simple thing to do that works. Click on the button that takes you to the next profile. It works like a charm.
When i was still looking and read things in people profiles that i did not like i would just click on to the next profile. I didn't sit , keep reading and obsessed about it. I just moved on because really what is the point in b1tching about someone who has different beliefs then you?
I can't say i have much use for bible thumpers or religious zealots of any religion, be it Christianity, Muslim, Jewish , Buddhist ,Sikh etc... Crappy overbearing people come in all religions or lack of any religious beliefs. By no means are annoying condescending people only members of one faith. | |
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| Why Do So Many Women Require That I Must Love God?
Posted: 5/9/2008 1:03:32 AM | Hopeful 73 in message 63 said:
Good Grief.
So if Im understanding some of these posts correctly, Im only considered to be a moral, loving, & decent person if I have God as a top priority? Come on, folks, this isnt the Dark Ages.
Im no Athiest. I believe in basic Christian principles. But because I dont follow a bunch of rules set forth by some church, that still makes me unworthy of being loved by another Christian? Sorry but that seems hypocritical to me.
I think the point, Hopeful, is that there are a lot of people in the fishing pond who have "Christian" or some other spiritual label listed on their profile but they are far from being anything close to the commonly accepted version of the definition. Yet what is the "commonly accepted version of the definition?" It's a good question...
This can be confusing and make things very difficult for those of us who are seeking something in particular that is not often found amongst the throng; thus many of us may attempt to expound upon what we want within the body of our profile at length. Some of us may attempt to abbreviate our desires. Maybe we'll say that we want a "real" Christian, which may come across as hardcore religious, fanatical, or similar. The point is that we know what we need and what we want but trying to get it across to everyone else may not be an easy task.
Purely for example's sake, there's the person who has "Christian" on their profile under their religious preferences, but this person regularly uses and is possibly addicted to internet pornography. He even rationalizes the use of it too but still considers himself a Christian. He just conveniently forgets to mention the porn problem to the Christian woman he gets involved with. In her mind, the two don't mesh -- Now there are serious problems in paradise.
See where things begin to get difficult? What's "Christian" to one may not be "Christian" to another. I think this is why people stress stuff like this in their profiles. They are expecting one thing and getting something quite different on their fishing line. We've had another example already mentioned in this very thread. A lot of people don't understand how one can be "half clothed" or dressed in provocative outfits and still label themselves as Christian; yet one of our posters points out that it is quite possible to dress sexy and still love God with all of one's heart.
We all have notions of what is important to us and of what we desire in a future partner. We also have many stereotypical expectations about Christians in general and many of them are erroneous, unfortunate, and just dead on ignorant. Basically to my mind, the term "Christian" is someone who attempts to be Christ-like, who has accepted the salvation of Jesus Christ, who is saved, but I, too, have my own stereotypical ideas of what a good Christian man is going to look like. What I'm expecting isn't "Dark Ages" either, at least not from my perspective, yet from yours perhaps it is.
I think the primary point here though, is that in order to cut through the various interpretations, some may belabor the issue of their spirituality and what that looks like for them in order to find like minded people who think like they do, and I think that is what many are seeing on other people's profiles that they are taking such great offense to. | |
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| Why Do So Many Women Require That I Must Love God?
Posted: 5/9/2008 7:25:43 AM |
Today the majority of the population is agnostic or non-religious which I'm thankful for.
That isn't a fact. According to the website Religious Tolerance:
*In 2001, 81% of American adults identify themselves with a specific religion:
*at the present time (2007-MAY), only 71% of American adults consider themselves Christians
*The percentage will dip below 70% in 2008
*By about the year 2042, non-Christians will outnumber the Christians in the U.S.
"Non-Christian" does not indicate atheism or non-religious, but that Christianity is loosening its hold. According to the same website, Wicca and other neo-pagan faiths are the fastest growing segment of religions in the US by percentage--not numbers.
But:
2002-JAN showed that almost half of American adults appear to be alienated from organized religion. If current trends continue, most adults will not call themselves religious within a few years. Results include:
*About 50% consider themselves religious (down from 54% in 1999-DEC)
*About 33% consider themselves "spiritual but not religious" (up from 30%)
*About 10% regard themselves as neither spiritual or religious. 6
So yah, the trend is shifting, but it isn't there yet.
What cracks me up is that over the years, I have had any propositions in chat rooms and dating sites from Christian men who want to have sex with me outside of marriage. When I pointedly point out their religion forbids that, I have never seen men dance so quickly but inadeptly. Their excuses range from "I will just pray for god to forgive me," "but I am still a man with urges," to "that isn't really what the Bible says."
Yeah, right--gimme me a pagan, atheist, or nonreligious lover; I am not into helping fundamentalist Christian men go to their hell. I also suspect that those types of men do not come onto self avowed Christian women--they seek out women who are already damned. | |
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| Why Do So Many Women Require That I Must Love God?
Posted: 5/9/2008 8:37:07 AM | A few more points re the Opost:
1) I still ponder what happens when they both "love" (or "fear") a God but not the same God
2) If they love or fear the same God (Christians) but in different "churches" (Protestant, Catholic, Orthodox, there are some 3000 "versions" of Christianity). Non-christians do not need to "throw stones" at christians, as they (Christians) tend to do it to each other, when they belong to a different version of Christianity, IME. Let us not forget why the Puritans left Europe for Boston.
3) Majority of the population. Maybe when one's point of reference is the US. But there are other ones as well: "West" (or OECD member countries), World, etc. Plus, I do not think that in Europe there are many people left that are religious. And this site is global and has many Europeans in Europe.
4) Spiritual is not the same as "fearing" or "loving" a God, is it? Neither is "philosophical" (mois)!
IMO the fearing a God makes sense in a rational that assumes that people who fear a God are more likely not to stray/be unfaithful. If it means "the same God in the same church", then I guess the rationale is "birds of a feather" like.
As a philosophical agnostic, I respect the right of people to choose an SO based (solely or among other criteria) on religion. But I do not do the same (live and let live principle).
IMO a critical factor in an LTR's success is compatibility in the "philosophy on life" department and that can include religions as well, de facto, assuming of course that people take their religion, spiritualism or philosophy seriously and not as a label. | |
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| Why Do So Many Women Require That I Must Love God?
Posted: 5/9/2008 10:13:49 AM | | Well as a female, I move on if God is mentioned in a profile. My belief is to treat people with respect. You know what is right and what is wrong.I have found that a lot of religious people are hypocrits. And those that arent hypocrits, I wouldnt feel comfortable dating..friends yeah.. but dont push your god on me. | |
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| Why Do So Many Women Require That I Must Love God?
Posted: 5/9/2008 10:43:52 AM |
Well as a female, I move on if God is mentioned in a profile. My belief is to treat people with respect. You know what is right and what is wrong.I have found that a lot of religious people are hypocrits. And those that arent hypocrits, I wouldnt feel comfortable dating..friends yeah.. but dont push your god on me
Wow, all this just from mentioning God in their profile. I know Christians get accused of judging others a lot but from reading these post, most people are judging Christians. You can't assume a majority will act a certain way just because a minority do. | |
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Posted: 5/9/2008 10:52:56 AM | | ya know ur right there is not one single person on god's green earth that does not judge. if a person says they dont judge people they are lying through their teeth. I know people who claim to be christians and really they are hypocrites. one told me i was gonna go to hell for using internet. she said devil put it here. well if im going to hell she is comng with me cuase she uses it too. she said well but im in a christian chat room. i said who cares...u said the devil put it here . so my point is chruch goers are no better and some are worse than people who dont go to church. atleast i odnt go running aournd like a zombie telling people they are gonna go to hell. if that aitn judging a person..what is. | |
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| Why Do So Many Women Require That I Must Love God?
Posted: 5/9/2008 11:10:04 AM | There is a difference between "judging" people and being judgmental. We ALL judge--if we didn't, we would be open to any con-person or liar who comes along. We judge honesty, personalities, intelligence and in essence, everything about people whom we see on the street, just meet, or have known for a long time. If we don't like a person, we base that dislike on that type of "judgment," and the same for people whom we do like.
Being judgmental is drawing conclusions and assuming a "holier than thou" attitude or assuming that we know all about a person or a group of people before we truly have evidence. Saying "all" Christians are hypocrites is being judgmental; knowing a Christian who has exhibited hypocrisy is a different type of judgment based on knowledge and observation.
Having said that, Christians are some of the most judgmental people whom I have met--and I say that based on being raised in a Christian household, going to church for many long years, and knowing many Christians in both personal and professional settings. Their judgmental attitude is based on their beliefs, however, and they do not view their "opinions" in the same way that non-Christians do. Most Christians I know judge me on the basis of my faith, and the conclusions that they draw are far from the "truth."
Truth is subjective, but I won't get into that.
When a man proclaims his love of the Christian god on his profile, by default, he should not be yoked to me, nor should he even consider dating me.
Besides, I like sex, and again, I cannot see how a Christian man, or woman, can justify having sex outside of marriage. As a pagan, I have no such prohibitions on me. | |
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| Why Do So Many Women Require That I Must Love God?
Posted: 5/9/2008 11:25:35 AM | | i dont nkow why they put that there anyway.i think moswt put that there to sound good then comes the cleaveg most dont even pray no who god is until they get into some bind.i am not a relijous freak but my understanding of being or better put living like god is hard.you cant lie,you have to be kind to poeple who are not nice to you,you cant slander anybody,you cant fornicate,if your married and get devorce the bible says he who marries a women that has been devorce has committed adultr,and if beget any kids with this women its says they will be all basterds,and will not be let into the kingdom of god even unto the seventh generation.nkow remember i didnt say that the king james version of the bible said that.so all you women who put that on your profile should think about that because i see alot of women on here who are devorced are seperated on here who say they want a god fearing man do you.i mean no disrespect to any women who are devorce or seperated i am just telling you what the book says.so dont email me with nast message i dont have a problem with you i judge you on the content of your heart not a man made book. | |
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| Why Do So Many Women Require That I Must Love God?
Posted: 5/9/2008 11:31:55 AM | | lol goodguy so we are all going to hell cuaes we have broken all the rules lol. when u think about it your right. they is no way a human can truely live by the bible. Its just impossible. But I think God knows this. lol. I think we should all repent tonight in case we die tomroorw lol. | |
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| Why Do So Many Women Require That I Must Love God?
Posted: 5/9/2008 12:42:36 PM |
and will not be let into the kingdom of god even unto the seventh generation.nkow remember i didnt say that the king james version of the bible said that.so all you women who put that on your profile should think about that because i see alot of women on here who are devorced are seperated on here who say they want a god fearing man do you.i mean no disrespect to any women who are devorce or seperated i am just telling you what the book says.
I rest my case. | |
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| Why Do So Many Women Require That I Must Love God?
Posted: 5/9/2008 1:45:25 PM | I haven't taken particular notice of 'How many' there are . .
As soon as I see that an Invisible Man will be more important than Me, in a relationship
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I just hit the 'Back' button and declare . . : 'NEXT!!!'
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It's a real Pity, too.....there are some Very Attractive Ladies [.. that I would normally
offer an Engagement ring to . .] that have been passed-up as a result...!!! | |
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| Why Do So Many Women Require That I Must Love God?
Posted: 5/9/2008 2:00:50 PM |
I haven't taken particular notice of 'How many' there are . .
As soon as I see that an Invisible Man will be more important than Me, in a relationship
Funny you say that. Because if that woman TRULY loves that invisible man more than you. She will be a very fateful and devoted girlfriend/wife to you. | |
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| Why Do So Many Women Require That I Must Love God?
Posted: 5/9/2008 2:09:06 PM |
So if Im understanding some of these posts correctly, Im only considered to be a moral, loving, & decent person if I have God as a top priority? Come on, folks, this isnt the Dark Ages.
Im no Athiest. I believe in basic Christian principles. But because I dont follow a bunch of rules set forth by some church, that still makes me unworthy of being loved by another Christian? Sorry but that seems hypocritical to me.
Amen to that
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| Why Do So Many Women Require That I Must Love God?
Posted: 5/9/2008 2:10:38 PM | 1) It probably stemms from getting burned by men with questionable moral values. People who practice a form of religion have mostly predictable moral statutes.
2) Hypocrisy
3) They probably don't care as it's the type of people, they are not interested in, who are moving on.
4) Ever try dating somebody whose fundamental principles and beliefs are completely different than yours? | |
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| Why Do So Many Women Require That I Must Love God?
Posted: 5/9/2008 2:14:37 PM |
i see alot of women on here who are devorced are seperated on here who say they want a god fearing man do you
Maybe I'm not qualified to answer this because I'm a widow, but yes I'm looking for a man who fears God, because the fear of God is the BEGINNING of wisdom. It's the WISDOM part that interests me.
Cindy O | |
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