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 Schadenfreudian

Joined: 7/5/2007
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Why Do So Many Women Require That I Must Love God?
Posted: 5/12/2008 9:48:48 AM
Maybe the options of "worship no one" or "worship the devil" have already been taken?
 kattapult

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Posted: 5/12/2008 9:54:22 AM
To the Opening Poster:

I don't think that these women require that you, specifically, must love God.

They are simply stating that God is an important part of their lives and in order to share in that life, it would probably work best if their significant other, whoever that may be in the future, shared that same belief.

Now as to your question about direct conflict of interests, i.e. the pictures don't add up to your perception of what a God-loving person should look like ... well, if there is a God, wouldn't it be best to let Him be the judge of that?

I mean .. who woulda thought a President was capable of getting 'randy' with an intern and then turn around and run a country at the same time let alone that a God-fearing woman could post unGodly photos on the internet, and still feel good about attending confession .. lol.

To each their own. That's life. Stick to people you feel comfortable about.
 Stella Blue

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Posted: 5/12/2008 9:58:58 AM

The thing that concerns me, is that we are all emotional, physical, spiritual beings... but so many don't realize it, or deny it, or something!


I think this is kinda the point.
There is this assumption among many Christian (not all by any means) that it is the only "spiritual". I know many people who are very spiritual and are not Christians. Many have no religion at all.
I think what we are saying is, if you run up on a profile of someone who states "must love Jesus" and you are not into it, RUN!

This is not a personal attack on all Christians.
 o4

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Posted: 5/12/2008 10:26:55 AM
Why do so many women require that I must love God?

I'd suspect that they really are not putting requirments on you, but rather are being forthright about a quality that they require of their suitors seeking unique relationship with them.

To "know God" or to "have no God" is a fundamental quality in the shape of a person. Some of us have come to learn (both ways) that if you know God, your shape is best going to fit with someone else who also knows God. If on the other hand you have no God, it's easy to understand with whom your shape is also going to most easily and comparably fit. There's really no mystery to this, is there? From there forward, it's probably then a personal choice while writing a profile (if writing to find 'the one') of how many non-starts do you want to have to say 'no' to, rather than bring it up and let the field self-correct in what it presents for fit right off the bat. (However of course, if you're simply searching for 'friends' perhaps a tight fit is not so important and you might not put such polarizing pieces in yours in order to get more fish in your net?). Personally, I prefer it to be brought out earlier rather than later as that gives clarity about expectations of fit or differences needing sensitivity from the onset.

1) What's up with the increasing number of females seeking "Godly" men lately?
I have not noticed this any more than earlier, but if you have, perhaps it's simply more of them being up-front now for some reason? ...Maybe tired of sorting too many 'non-starts'?

2) Why are you looking for someone who's super religious but at the same time showing the world what a wildchild you are?
I'm with you on this question. If you profess to be something, such as a follower of Christ or many other teachings for that matter, then you should know what it means to be that and do your best to be that. Of course, none of us are perfect (and thankfully we're forgiven for it!), but sometimes I do wonder which verson of the Bible that it might be that someone is reading (although am willing to adjust for some cultural differences here and there too...or also respect that for instance here in San Diego in the summer, we all run around with less on than most, it's a natural response here, but also no big deal). I'm lucky that I can choose who to contact and not.

3) How many men see the mention of God in a profile and immediately move on, as I do?
I'm the opposite on this one. If I don't see a mention of God in a lady's profile, I usually move on. There's that assistance with the self-correcting thing I mentioned before. Works beautifully.

4) Why is it so important to anyone of any faith that someone they're dating believes along the same lines as you so strictly?
Let's say that I'm nuts for believing this stuff (whatever stuff or flavor of it I believe). I'm still going to get along with another nut of similar beliefs than I am with what might be a totally sane person of different beliefs, no? It's a polarizing item, might as just well recognize it as that and move in the directions you'll best work with if you're looking for your 'one'.

Best wishes all...
 ladyc4

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Posted: 5/12/2008 10:31:35 AM

Just nod your head, and agree. When the important stuff comes up, then get serious, until
then, treat them like the little children that they are. Women are not logical, that is why you must not listen to their crap. Delight in them, but don't take them seriously.


Youe ARE kidding, aren't you?
I see in the future for you a woman who will play along with your condescending attitude, only to get REAL smart and rip your guts out in in divorce court...or has this already happened to you??

I spent 25 yrs( until death did us part) with a man who chose not to believe in the concept of a Higher Power. To my mind, there is not now, nor has there ever been, the least doubt that there IS a Higher Power. However, to quote William Shakespeare " Let me not to the marriage of true minds admit impediment".
We had the same values and ethics, and agreed to disagree about the basis from which those values and ethics arose. Never for a minute did I feel "unequally yoked".
Guys, the simple fact of a woman having a faith or religious beliefs does NOT necessarily mean she's prudish or frigid.
Ladies, a man who fears and loves God(or whatever he might choose to call his Higher Power) is not necessarily a rigid dominant control freak man who will demand that you be subservient.
All I know is, that the God I believe in has given me some very basic guidelines to help with seriously major decisions about my actions and behavior( like killing and stealing, and how what goes around comes around) and the knowledge of His Love and Forgiveness if I screw up.
And I DO screw up-a lot-on some other matters of life here on Earth.
As for my personal choices, I don't get all worried about whether or not a man goes to a place of organized worship or whether or not he "believes" in a Higher Power. I look at his values, his character, his actions. I don't criticize or reject someone for not believing in God but I will for not following the Golden Rule.
Cindy O
 hopeful_73

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Posted: 5/12/2008 11:21:26 AM
Thank you, BigGuy62, for being able to say some of what I was thinking without completely going off. I AM a Christian...I believe in God & basic Christian principles of morality & decency. Im just not a fanatic about it.

Why is it that so many "God-Loving" women see things in black & white on this? (Either Im a fanatic too or Im crud). Does it boil down to "you gotta be a fanatic to be WITH one" then? Because, to me, its that very thinking thats turned me off to organized religion. This whole elitist attitude that youre better than me because youve accepted God. C'mon folks...we all are imperfect beings. I can accept & respect a fanatic's views without trying to change them. Why can't they respect my differing view as just a personality trait as well?

Im sorry but I still dont get the hypocrisy, and all the religious grandstanding is downright frustrating. Democrats marry Republicans. Whites marry blacks. Smokers marry non-smokers. And, yes, Catholics marry Jews. THATS what being accepting & loving should be about. Guess that lack of enlightenment is why these folks are single to begin with, eh?
 sienna99

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Posted: 5/12/2008 11:59:54 AM
Hopeful 73, I dont think youve spoken to a whole lot of christian women. Exactly how many christian women have either generalised you as being a Fanatic or Crud? Or are you generalising?
Have you actually looked up the word Fanatic in the dictionary? Are you calling christian women fanatics? or


I can accept & respect a fanatic's views without trying to change them


A fanatic is a fan who violates social norms. Who exactly are you calling fanatics here?
Christian women who want a christian man? if so, thats not really violating social norms is it? I think you are being a little OTT with your generalisations.
On the one hand you are calling yourself a christian, then the next your slating christian women who want the same. Its making no sense to me at all, except for another reason for a guy to have a pop at a woman. But its ok for men to want women with big boobies, we dont go round calling them boobie fanatics do we?
 just em

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Posted: 5/12/2008 12:10:09 PM
this safety net you call your faith. You need to quit listening to the ministers who are attempting to soften the blow. They are mostly driven by your money and will lessen what the book says to keep those dollars rolling in.

Safety net...wahhh, must have read something someone else wrote, I clearly stated before that it is easier to be in a relationship with someone who has similiar beliefs, yeah, think you need to go back and reread the whole thread. I am dating someone that does and it is great, we don't have religion related arguments or political for that matter. I also state Jesus was big on the evils of money...

Gee, as I sell Bibles, other Christian books, and other books on history and various other religions from the begining of time does that somehow imply that I would be a sheep, listen to and do what a minister says for me to do, or do you think that my saying I don't care for people that think they have an obligation to go to church should read the Bible and take from it what they believe it says...

I have not attacked anyone, I have stated that I think the op to be agnostic and ignorant and he should learn more. I haven't learned everything and am the first to admit the more I learn the more I know I need to learn.


I wish all you hypocrites truly can look yourselves in the mirror with no guilt. BUT, if you read you Bible, you will realize that, if you are right and I am wrong, I will see you in Hell.

I also stated previously that I pass by those profiles I can't understand. I don't understand what you wrote. Guilt is related to a feeling from doing something you shouldn't do to others or some wrong you feel you did. I know I firmly believe you should treat everyone well.


If you read "you" Bible.
I have read quite a few Bibles, versions, years, etc. (Just sold a Hexaglot Bible set.) So because I have read it something is supposed to be right and wrong?

So you are going to Hell? Ok, if that is what you want. But ya know, I will pray for you and others that don't know that to live a good life is being good and kind to others. I also believe there are people that live fabulous lives that aren't called Christians that won't go to Hell. Buddist, Wiccans, Jews, and some others that don't call themselves Christian do live great lives and try to help others and don't do wrong to others. But that doesn't mean I will date them.
 frankiejg

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Posted: 5/12/2008 2:52:59 PM
I could never answer for "so many women", I'm sure there are many different reasons for wanting a Godly man. I have many myself and share many of them in no particular order:

According to the God I love and serve, the husband is supposed to be the spiritual leader of the home.

With him as leader of the home, I am to be submissive to him, so if he doesn't know God how can either of these situations be good in my life.

If you don't know and seek God continually, you won't get it right most of the time, how could I possibly follow your lead.

I was raised in a truly loving wonderful home by any human standards and yet I now know that before I knew God I hadn't a clue the deepest meaning of the word love. I also don't think that anyone who doesn't know God could possibly understand true love, how can you understand a love that has never been demonstrated for and given to you.

If you don't have a clue what true love is, how could I ever hope for you to demonstrate it to me or accept it from me within our human limitations.

I have come to understand and accept that all human beings will let you down from time to time, none of us are perfect, I want a man who will understand when I lean on God for comfort when he has let me down and one who will turn to God when I let him down as well, how else could we possibly stay together if we looked elsewhere for comfort and strength.

Because only a Godly man could understand that the first 10% of everything goes to God and that all things belong to God and if we are richly blessed it is so that we are channels of blessings, not resevoirs.

Because as a Christian I am not to tie myself to a non-believer, so marriage would be out of the question even if we were compatible in every other way so why waste my or your time finding out.

Because here in these last days God is looking for ways to bless his children, as his child, do I want to be married to someone who isn't in the line for blessings.

Because during times of trial, I need my best friend and spouse to be the one I can go to God in prayer with and know our prayers will be heard and acted upon in God's will at God's time.

Because I remember me before I knew God, I was basically a good person, I was spiritual, I had no harm for anyone. I have no right to boast, the changes in me are all to the credit of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, but you will just have to trust that adding virtue to my resume' makes me worth more than riches, certainly more than a heathen could give (please don't feel judged when I say heathen, I just now know the difference due to Grace). I ask this as a former heathen and current sinner.

I don't know if this will help you to understand, but these are true for me, a sinner, who wants to know the heart of God and see It's likeness in the heart of my husband.
 mthomjmark

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Posted: 5/12/2008 3:02:19 PM
They dont demand it; that's what they want in their life; there is nothing wrong with it.
 frankiejg

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Posted: 5/12/2008 3:09:16 PM
Of course that's where the great catches are, but, you would have to understand what makes us great catches to know that and sadly you won't know that without knowing God. The good news is if you're reading this, there's still time, and if you come to know God, you'll discover a Godly woman is the best of many, many blessings so apparently God is showing you atleast a small portion what you're missing by revealing where to look for love.
 mytfineman

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Posted: 5/13/2008 8:57:38 PM
stella blue,

On what is "spiritual"?

yeah, I remember calling myself that about 10 years ago. I then introspected my reasons for using the label, they centered around embracing that if I treated others as I wished to be treated (golden rule) that was all that I needed. Before then I tortured over how the "God" that my mother told me existed would punish me for not attending Sunday service. Yet every day I lived peacefully and without malice toward people and I didn't have to get an injection of "good" or "morality" from church services.

I then continued to investigate the roots of religion, to discover the deep history of the monotheistic faiths just as I had probed the origins of the science that made the foundations of my profession and what did I discover? That religion, all of it ..is a sham. An invention by stone age men to help keep the fears of death by wild beast in the night away, an artifice of control over the natural world due to just a bit better grasp of the resources from environment to environment, a coat of culture applied to individuals to make group interactions stronger and more lasting as we went from migrating bands of hunter gatherers to close living agricultural communities. Religion is nothing more than a social bandaid folks, belief in Gods has a definite history that has been traced with great detail across the last century by historians, archeologists, and paleontologists.

Pick a God and I'll give you a detailed history of a time before which that God did not exist in the minds of men, pick a religious belief and I'll show you its migration from earlier forms or it's particular origin pinpointed to within a few hundred years of history based on current evidence.

Do I consider myself spiritual today? Yes, incredibly so and I am an atheist....when I go running at sunrise, I get a sense of euphoria as I run up the side of the cemetery breathing the crisp morning air as I watch the glory of the sun rise up over the Brooklyn skyline. When I take a shower, I marvel at the soothing power of water, a seemingly "magic" liquid that comes together when you join two gases. I am moved to absolute wonder and awe when I see a picture of the Sombrero Galaxy, or Hoage's object, or witness the Trapezium in the Orion Nebula when viewing Hubble Space Telescope images...moved to tears. I am more in touch with my life, more in touch with the gift of living now then when I ever believed that a cosmic puppet master was minding my every thought or action and ticking away check marks when I did something it deemed good, or ticked away x marks when I did something it deemed bad. No, my greatest spirituality has been found in the liberation of knowing that enlightenment is knowing that I am in control of where I can go, that I am in charge of my destiny. It is a realization that can only come through an embrace of knowledge through evidence, seeking it relentlessly and embracing the results dispassionately. It comes from letting your philosophy always be shaped by your data rather than only regarding data that fits a preconceived philosophy.

It is difficult for those "of faith" to understand what I am talking here...how can an atheist feel so similarly about the world as I do? Some will claim it is not spirituality, but spirituality doesn't require the existence of spirits or even a belief in the same. Spirituality to me, is a realization that I , am intimately related to you all through the air we breath, through the materials that make our bodies. What can be more awe inspiring , dare I say "religious" than that? Some of "faith" will say that my joy is hollow but they say this without the benefit of my perspective, but I can say I have had theirs....I had faith but I realized it was artifice for what was already in my nature. I say...give it a try and see if you still think life is not worth living once you've realized and learned that there is zero evidence for intervening Gods. Let go of "faith" and let the evidence guide you, you may be happily surprised that it doesn't lead you down a road of immorality, fear or despair but instead leads to peace and contentment.
 southernlass

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Posted: 5/13/2008 10:42:16 PM

Some of "faith" will say that my joy is hollow but they say this without the benefit of my perspective, but I can say I have had theirs....I had faith but I realized it was artifice for what was already in my nature. I say...give it a try and see if you still think life is not worth living once you've realized and learned that there is zero evidence for intervening Gods. Let go of "faith" and let the evidence guide you, you may be happily surprised that it doesn't lead you down a road of immorality, fear or despair but instead leads to peace and contentment.


I, too, believe that we're all interrelated through "being." We're all interconnected. I think we're all a part of something greater than ourselves. Even though we may not believe the same, I think we share this connection; still, I must disagree with your premise that letting go of one's "faith" will bring about the epiphany you allude to. I found quite the opposite to be true. The times in my life when I was without faith were the most berefit, most purposeless, most chaotic and unhappy times in my life. I will never ever go back to a life where I am separated from God. I have the greatest respect for your choice to do so, however. I believe each individual is entitled to make that choice, regardless of how the choice comes out. And I definitely say "each to his own."

This is why it is absolutely absurd that we are criticized on this thread over our preferences, as women who love God, desirous of men who also love God, to share a serious, permanent relationship with.
 overidle

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Posted: 5/14/2008 12:00:42 AM
Having grown up in fundamentalist Xianity, I think I can shed some light on this. Xians are taught that they are not to be "unequally yoked" with unbelievers. This goes back to one of Jesus's parables in the NT and the yoke, for those who don't know, was a wooden stock placed on the necks of oxen when plowing to keep them together and going the same direction. One did not yoke a large ox to a small ox, for example, for obvious reasons. Many Xians believe that, to be involved with an unbeliever would be to risk being "unevenly yoked" with that person should a serious relationship arise. Would that I could recall chapter and verse for the yoke parable, but my Xian days are long behind me and memory fades. Oh well....
 daynadaze

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Posted: 5/14/2008 12:31:00 AM
"2) Why are you looking for someone who's super religious but at the same time showing the world what a wildchild you are?"

Because they have made up a religion to fit what they want to do then act all holier-than-thou if you question their actions against the actual belief system of the religion they name. They then claim to be fallible so it's not their fault. It's a headgame and I stay far away from people who claim a belief but live far away from that belief, a liar is a liar is a liar. A person who does not follow what they say they believe in, is no different to me than a person who says they don't cheat but they do, or they aren't abusive but they are...if a person is not true to themselves, they sure aren't going to be true to others. You can't live a lie but be moral, you can't expect something out of others that you can't do or give yourself. You can't say one thing but do the other and then blame sin or the devil or being fallible, you are either what you say you are or you aren't, don't cry on my shoulder about being human and needing forgiveness, if you don't believe in it, don't do it, if you believe in something, then follow through. Be responsible for your choices and don't whine about some supernatural being who damns others for the same things you also do but is your buddy and going to save you.
 James_in_SD

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Posted: 5/14/2008 4:57:28 AM
Nobody's "requiring" that you "must love God". Some women are just seeking someone who does.
 custis

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Posted: 5/14/2008 6:43:08 AM
"I know many people who are very spiritual and are not Christians. Many have no religion at all"

This "spiritual" crap seems to be really popular with women at the time. It sounds warm and fuzzy and says I'm religious but I'm not religious, which of course makes no sense at all. I think it is something that you feel after two fuzzy navels and a joint.
 INTOART

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Posted: 5/14/2008 6:51:13 AM
I am all for a woman having her own religious convictions, but she should not push me to share them. If something like "looking for a Christian man" is part of her profile, I look elsewhere!
 TIBTAB

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Posted: 5/14/2008 6:57:24 AM
So as a non-religious person my questions are these:
1) Whats up with the incresing number of females seeking "Godly" men lately?
2) Why are you looking for someone who's super religious but at the same time showing the world what a wildchild you are?
3) How many men see the mention of God in a profile and immediately move on, as I do?
4) Why is it so important to anyone of any faith that someone theyre dating believes along the same lines as you so strictly?

1. I haven't noticed that females are seeking Christian Zealots with the exception of religious women who want religious men (Both zealous Muslim and Christian would require that their partner is putting their God first as mandated in their holy scriptures, duh)

2. I haven't seen similar, I have only seen religious women require their men be religious. Perhaps she's looking for a man to help condition and force her to maintain a religious priority?

3. I do, if a girl says that God is first in her life I'm GONE. I'm non-religious and I do NOT want a religious woman in my life. That would drive me insane.

4. Their religion MANDATES this. There's plenty of scriptures that require such. Also: Common sense. If you're very religious about something, you want your partner to be the same. Plus, as a non-religious person, I would never want to date a b*tch that just wants to convert me. f*ck that!
 Fullonpro

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Posted: 5/14/2008 7:30:22 AM
In the u.s, unless you are 'religious', you are unelectable. On their dollar bill is the statement.

"In God We Trust".

The U.S. is just Loved worldwide, and is a wonderful country with an amazing healthcare system, no homeless people, and causes no harm or injury to other nations. See, it pays off to be religious. Because the religious run the government, and the U.S. is such a great nation. Ha.

Don't listen to fools like Einstein:

ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/080513/world/britain_religion_science_jews_einstein
 mytfineman

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Posted: 5/14/2008 10:49:56 AM
@fullonpro

Brilliantly delicious sarcasm, I enjoyed it. Now, hope you've donned that Nomex suit. ;)
 mytfineman

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Posted: 5/14/2008 11:52:12 AM

I must disagree with your premise that letting go of one's "faith" will bring about the epiphany you allude to. I found quite the opposite to be true. The times in my life when I was without faith were the most berefit, most purposeless, most chaotic and unhappy times in my life. I will never ever go back to a life where I am separated from God.


There is a large difference between my realization that faith is a) foolish since it prides itself on a lack of physical evidence and b) unsubstantiated by any evidence. I haven't met a person yet who claimed not to have "faith" in something supernatural , or to profess an agnostic view of "they don't know" prior to finding "faith" through a particular religion. As for my "premise" it is a fact of my life not an untested hypothesis, I am the evidence of its truth and the epiphany that I had has made my life significantly happier and made me more content as a result.

I didn't go from agnosticism to "faith" to atheism, I went from "sure there is a God because my mother said there is" to "if there is a God, it sure hides evidence of its existence pretty well" to "hmmm...history, science and all data reveal absolutely no evidence for God(s) but I still think something is there" to my current state of "there is no evidence for God(s) nor is there a reason to posit the question when data points to substantive conclusions."

I relentlessly question my beliefs and the beliefs of others to probe what foundations people base them on, "faith" in a sentient being has shown itself to be completely hollow as who I am, my sense of fairness, my willingness to help others, my empathy, don't come from any faith, when I lost my "faith" in fact I became MORE tolerant. Where the "faith" in a particular God would raise various proscriptions against who I can associate with, now I treat everyone on the basis of their value to my life. I don't exclude some one on the basis of "faith" so long as that "faith" doesn't restrict me in the things that I want to do without affecting others. If someone brings positive value to my life, I seek them out, if they bring neutral value I ignore them and if they bring negative value, I seek them out. (to keep an eye on them to find out what they are up to) The tenets of religious faith have been tightly correlated with a desire for individuals and cultures to gain affinity with one another in order to enhance survival under difficult circumstances. In mathematics , the structure of moral behavior arises naturally from mathematical rules of perceived gain and loss between individuals competing in an environment of limited resources. These findings are available to all who wish to seek them, unfortunately the enticement of the pulpit and eternal happiness in a "heaven" is far more appealing to the masses then mathematical equations that tease out morality in cooperative groups. As I said, it took me a while to go from where I was to where I am and along that path I had to read and learn across many disciplines of human investigation, digest and repeat first hand the empirical investigations of others. I had my doubts from an early age (12 or so) but I would not dare to go against the incredibly powerful pressure applied by family and friends. Religious inculcation was a major hindrance to my free exploration of knowledge and ideas and saddled me with fears of the consequences of my acts by the God that my parents raised me to believe in, a "God" ironically that was introduced to my ancestors from two continents. The French side receiving it from the migration of Christianity out of the middle east into the Roman Empire almost 2000 years ago. The African side had it forced upon them through religious conversion upon being taken bondage to a new land. Religion served to sooth them of the horrific acts their French brethren committed against them by providing the illusion that they would find happiness in the after life if they only lived as "good slaves". A common pattern of tragedy has attended the migration of religions across the globe, their initial purpose to bind culturally similar groups corrupted to serve the agenda of the powerful and lull the weak into submission.

As I went through school I became bound in the euphoria of life without needing to suppose sentient creation. The equations of Kepler's third law are beautiful in and of themselves, the process of photosynthesis is beautiful, the generation of light from the fusion of hydrogen atoms in the sun is like wise beautiful. The ability to find awe in the workings of reality as scientist continue to discover its details requires no faith. The ability though to sense this awe comes under a longer road then that found by opening a book and reading of fantastic stories of miracles and resurrections. Science holds stories far more spectacular than any holy book story, it is just that scientists don't tend to be very good writers. ;) We are getting better though, the popularization of the methods of science continue to engender awe in those who previously would consider it boring and dry.

I can recommend some books to read that I've found opened my mind to the awe of reality and spurred deeper investigations to probe how it works.


Jarrod Diamond "Guns, Germs and Steel"
Richard Feynman "QED"
Steven Hawking "A Brief History of Time"
Murray Gel-Mann "The Quark and the Jaguar"
Steven Weisenberg " Dreams of a Final Theory"
Brian Greene "The Elegant Universe"


A classic series I watched for the first time as a 9 year old is "Cosmos" by Carl Sagan, which is available on DVD and may be also online. Highly recommended.
 southernlass

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Why Do So Many Women Require That I Must Love God?
Posted: 5/14/2008 8:13:04 PM
The OP brings up the question of:


How many men see the mention of God in a profile and immediately move on , as I do?


I feel it necessary to point out in response to numerous posters and the OP that it really does not surprise me that many of you people would feel the need to immediately move on, if you don't love and worship God. If seeing His name in a woman's profile offends you, then you seriously need to be moving on. I can't speak for all the women that love God on this thread or even for those who haven't posted so I'll just speak for myself. I completely understand why you would want to move on if you look at my profile and see that I'm a spiritual/religious person who loves God, who is a Christian, who states clearly in my profile that I'm seeking another person who is the same, who also loves God, and you're not the same. Why on earth would you bother attempting to start something up with a believer when you're don't believe? That doesn't seem wise and it certainly isn't logical. Common sense would tell you that you're mixing oil with water and that the two don't blend..

To settle this, let me simply say that for every one of you that would pass my profile by because I love God, I'm doing the same as you are and am passing your profile by because it says "non religious," which implies to me that you don't believe and that you don't love God. If you do love God, then non-religious wouldn't fit for you. And if you choose the tab "non religious" but consider yourself a believer, perhaps you should clarify the matter in your profile or you may be misunderstood. I have no interest in romance with a man who doesn't love God. Such a man will not fit into my future lifestyle, in fact, he won't fit into my current lifestyle.

The OP also states:


Just trying to figure out whats up with the direct conflict of interests being posted in these profiles.


Where's the conflict of interests? This is oh-so-very-simple. There's no conflict of interest whatsoever. We are women who love God seeking men who love God. Period. Where do you see a conflict? If you're implying that women who have this in their profiles aren't fitting the stereotypical notion that you have of what a Christian/Godly woman should be, well, that's unfortunate. God is the only one that we have to strive to please, who will be our judge and jury. He is the one we answer to if there is some conflict of interest. Certainly it's not our fellows that are responsible to "take our inventory."

The simplest thing to do in this apparently problematic dilemma for some of you is to move along and find someone else just like yourself. Find someone "non religious." Pass the Christians by and pass those who love God by. There now. Problem solved. Everybody's happy.
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Why Do So Many Women Require That I Must Love God?
Posted: 5/14/2008 8:31:44 PM

God is the only one that we have to strive to please, who will be our judge and jury. He is the one we answer to if there is some conflict of interest.


You better watch out
You better not cry
You better not pout
I'm telling you why
Santa Claus is coming to town
Santa Claus is coming to town
Santa Claus is coming to town

He's making a list,
Checking it twice;
Gonna find out who's naughty or nice.
Santa Claus is coming to town
Santa Claus is coming to town
Santa Claus is coming to town

Sound familiar?
 hopeful_73

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Why Do So Many Women Require That I Must Love God?
Posted: 5/14/2008 8:43:12 PM
I do want to go on-record to say I do not agree with some of the non-religious posts on here. Some of whats been said against certain people's beliefs is offensive even to me, and its never been my intention to try and change someone's personal view on God or religion. Everyone's entitled to believe what they choose to believe, and I want to distance myself from some of the cynical posts Ive read.

What I dont get are the fanatics, and maybe thats the wrong word to use but "super-religious" was getting critisized too. You call yourself "saved" or "believers" or some other variation on that, but to the average person (that meaning more than half the population at-large) you are fanatics. Someone mentioned sending the first 10% of their income to God?! Does God have an ATM of his own? I assume youre giving it to your church, which only further perpetuates the idea of money-grabbing Evangalists out to make a buck. And unless youre Independantly wealthy I dont know how any average person could afford to do this in today's economy.

I believe in Christianity, but apparantly there are a lot of definitions to that word. Which brings me back to my last post as to why you cant accept a partner in your life that does share your ideals without going overboard about it as you do? No one has truly answered this question yet. Do I simply HAVE to conform to your overzealous beliefs in order to be considered? I guess I thought that as a society we were more advanced than that by now.
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