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Posted: 5/14/2008 9:07:46 PM | A tabulation of some of these great scientists of the past, with the disciplines they founded or the particular discoveries or inventions they made, is given below. It is surely extremely wrong for anyone to allege (as many do) that one cannot be a true scientist and still believe in special creation.
SCIENTIFIC DISCIPLINES ESTABLISHED BY BIBLE-BELIEVING SCIENTISTS
Discipline Scientist
1. Antiseptic Surgery Joseph Lister (1827 1912)
2. Bacteriology Louis Pasteur (1822 1895)
3. Calculus Isaac Newton (1642 1727)
4. Celestial Mechanics Johann Kepler (1571 1630)
5. Chemistry Robert Boyle (1726 1691)
6. Comparative Anatomy Georges Cuvier (1769 1832)
7. Computer Science Charles Babbage (1792 1871)
8. Dimensional Analysis Lord Rayleigh (1842 1919)
9. Dynamics Isaac Newton (1642 1727)
10. Electrodynamics James Clerk Maxwell (1831 1879)
11. Electromagnetics Michael Faraday (1791 1867)
12. Electronics Ambrose Fleming (1849 1945)
13. Energetics Lord Kelvin (1824 1907)
14. Entomology of Living Insects Henri Fabre (1823 1915)
15. Field Theory Michael Faraday (1791 1867)
16. Fluid Mechanics George Stokes (1819 1903)
17. Galactic Astronomy William Herschel (1738 1822)
18. Gas Dynamics Robert Boyle (1627 1691)
19. Genetics Gregor Mendel (1822 1884)
20. Glacial Geology Louis Agassiz (1807 1873)
21. Gynecology James Simpson (1811 1870)
22. Hydraulics Leonardo da Vinci (1452 1519)
23. Hydrography Matthew Maury (1806 1873)
24. Hydrostatics Blaise Pascal (1623 1662)
25. Ichthyology Louis Agassiz (1807 1873)
26. Isotopic Chemistry William Ramsay (1852 1916)
27. Model Analysis Lord Rayleigh (1842 1919)
28. Natural History John Ray (1627 1705)
29. Non-Euclidean Geometry Bernhard Riemann (1826 1866)
30. Oceanography Matthew Maury (1806 1873)
31. Optical Mineralogy David Brewster (1781 1868)
32. Paleontology John Woodward (1665 1728)
33. Pathology Rudolph Virchow (1821 1902)
34. Physical Astronomy Johann Kepler (1571 1630)
35. Reversible Thermodynamics James Joule (1818 1889)
36. Statistical Thermodynamics James Clerk Maxwell (1831 1879)
37. Stratigraphy Nicholas Steno (1631 1686)
38. Systematic Biology Carolus Linnaeus (1707 1778)
39. Thermodynamics Lord Kelvin (1824 1907)
40. Thermokinetics Humprey Davy (1778 1829)
41. Vertebrate Paleontology Georges Cuvier (1769 1832)
NOTABLE INVENTIONS, DISCOVERIES OR DEVELOPMENTS BY BIBLE-BELIEVING SCIENTISTS
Contribution Scientist
1. Absolute Temperature Scale Lord Kelvin (1824 1907)
2. Actuarial Tables Charles Babbage (1792 1871)
3. Barometer Blaise Pascal (1623 1662)
4. Biogenesis Law Louis Pasteur (1822 1895)
5. Calculating Machine Charles Babbage (1792 1871)
6. Chloroform James Simpson (1811 1870)
7. Classification System Carolus Linnaeus (1707 1778)
8. Double Stars William Herschel (1738 1822)
9. Electric Generator Michael Faraday (1791 1867)
10. Electric Motor Joseph Henry (1797 1878)
11. Ephemeris Tables Johann Kepler (1571 1630)
12. Fermentation Control Louis Pasteur (1822 1895)
13. Galvanometer Joseph Henry (1797 1878)
14. Global Star Catalog John Herschel (1792 1871)
15. Inert Gases William Ramsay (1852 1916)
16. Kaleidoscope David Brewster (1781 1868)
17. Law of Gravity Isaac Newton (1642 1727)
18. Mine Safety Lamp Humphrey Davy (1778 1829)
19. Pasteurization Louis Pasteur (1822 1895)
20. Reflecting Telescope Isaac Newton (1642 1727)
21. Scientific Method Francis Bacon (1561 1626)
22. Self-Induction Joseph Henry (1797 1878)
23. Telegraph Samuel F. B. Morse (1791 1872)
24. Thermionic Valve Ambrose Fleming (1849 1945)
25. Trans-Atlantic Cable Lord Kelvin (1824 1907)
26. Vaccination and Immunization Louis Pasteur (1822 1895)
This tabulation, showing that many of the founding fathers of modern science were men who believed in God, the Bible and creation, was first published as an ICR "Impact Article" in Acts and Facts, (Jan. 1982), then in Men of Science, Men of God, by Henry M. Morris (San Diego: Master Books,1982, 1988), 107 pp
Maybe I didn't read all the replies correctly, but really didn't feel anyone tried to convert, push, etc. anyone into believing in God, but yeah seems odd that those that don't often try to disprove the existance of God. I look out my window and see my trees and grass, I see my kids, etc. and know he exists. I love being in the company of the above great thinkers! | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 10:08:00 PM | Hopeful says:
What I dont get are the fanatics, and maybe thats the wrong word to use but "super-religious" was getting critisized too. You call yourself "saved" or "believers" or some other variation on that, but to the average person (that meaning more than half the population at-large) you are fanatics.
You say that you're a Christian, Hopeful. Remember these passages from the Bible?
Romans 12:2 said " Do not be conformed to this world,but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect. "
John 17:15-17 said “My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one. They are not of the world, even as I am not of it. Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth.”
We are to live in the world, Hopeful, as believers, but we are not to be of the world. Now what does that mean exactly? It means that our behavior should set us apart, to my interpretation. It means that we'll be "different" from the rest of the world and what it considers "popular." One's conscience guides us as to what is appropriate, as does the word of God. As Christian believers, we strive to be what God would have us be, through prayer, through regular teachings, through reading God's word.
If this is fanatical to you, Hopeful, then yes, I suppose many of us are fanatical. We are attempting to be what God would have us be. We seek men who are interested in the same. Many of us do not preach about this, we are more private in our faith and share our beliefs in detail only with those who are interested. Others will preach and be more outspoken. Personally, my ideal is to strive for what Jesus Christ represented in his own behavior. I think this ideal is superior to any other interpretation of what a Christian should appear like but let God be the judge of how we measure up, not our fellow men. I don't think we should judge one another..
Those who find the person who strives to be Christ-like to be "fanatical" are on a different path; they are at a different place in the journey. The fact that more than half the population doesn't approve, doesn't find this appealing--well, according to the scriptures I've listed for you above, this is a good thing! We don't want to appeal to those of the world, Hopeful. Do you understand? We want to be a part of the world but not of the world. In other words, we should live quietly, blend in, cause little trouble, live with dignity and above reproach, but we aren't going to go along with what society currently says is popular, when it is anything but what God would have those of us who are Christian, engaging in. This is not fanatical. This is wisdom for us.
I believe in Christianity, but apparantly there are a lot of definitions to that word. Which brings me back to my last post as to why you cant accept a partner in your life that does share your ideals without going overboard about it as you do?
The religious dogma isn't the issue and it doesn't matter. The basic notion is this:
When you are following God, when you have accepted Jesus Christ as your personal savior, there is a very strong desire within to know God and to please Him. There is a strong excitement, a passion that changes you and your heart. The change is from the inside out, essentially. Most of us desire to serve God in our lives, to make Him a priority, and if we do marry, we want to share this desire with our future mate. We incorporate God into our daily lives. We make a place for Him. This is natural for us and for those who feel as we do, who have experienced "a psychic change." We are born again, and we are different. Only those who have experienced the same will understand about how important it is to share this experience by not being "unequally yoked."
Do I simply HAVE to conform to your overzealous beliefs in order to be considered? I guess I thought that as a society we were more advanced than that by now.
If you are a "Christian," you are saved. You have been born again. You believe in the Lord Jesus Christ as your personal savior. You have asked Him to come into your heart and have asked Him to forgive you of your sins. This is not "overzealous." This is the fundamental notion of Christianity. If you are "saved," your life will exhibit that in a variety of ways -- you will desire to be "Christ-like. You will attempt to exhibit the "fruits of the Holy spirit." ( see this: http://www.spirithome.com/fruitssp.html )
I believe that most devout, serious Chrisitans desire to have romantic relationships with other devout, serious Christians. Finding such people isn't easy, however, and many will enter relationships with those who are not as devout as they are. I have certainly done this in the past. Fortunately, I have now learned the error of my ways. In the future, I choose to become involved with one who deeply loves God, who is saved, who makes God a priority in their daily life, who is attempting to be as Christ-like as possible. This is pretty much my own particular criteria for choosing a future partner. Other Christians may have their own individual, particular criteria that may be even more rigorous. This is a personal thing.
I think respect should be given to others, regardless of what they believe. Again, if such belief systems don't work for you or for others and they don't appeal, pass these people by. There are so very many that are not devout or serious in their beliefs, who are "Christian" in name only, or only on Sunday conveniently. Most women who have mention of spirituality, God, religious beliefs in their profile are going to be of the more serious, devout variety, imho. | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 2:31:11 PM | Very well-thought response, SouthernLass. You are obviously very passionate about your beliefs, which I think is an attractive quality in anyone. Whether it be that youre passionate about politics, your work, religion...as long as you have a deep feeling about something, thats attractive.
And I guess that brings me to the core of why I asked this question to begin with. Because there are some things in life that Im very passionate about myself. Religion just doesnt happen to be one of them. But when I see a woman who is passionate enough about her own belief system to put it in a profile, I find that to be an attractive quality. But at the same time, because Im not into that precise passion, Im excluded. And so its a vicious cycle that I find myself stuck in.
I dont know that I could ever believe as wholly and fully as you do. Ive tried many different Christian-based religions in my life and havent been able to connect with any of them. I remember being at one service where people in the audience were holding their hands up to the ceiling as the preacher spoke, and all I could remember is feeling creeped-out. They obviously were feeling something I didnt get, and I dont know that I ever could. But the irony was that the message that was being spoken wasnt all that far off from what my own beliefs tend to be. So does this make me just a bad Christian, you think?
All I know is that I hate the excluded feeling. When you see a picture of a beautiful woman, read an intelligently written profile that speaks to many of my own wants & desires about life and love, and then have to stop short because there's that one line in there about "putting God first"...its like the ultimate "Yeah, but...".
And, yes, there are a LOT of profiles like that in my general area of North-Central IL, so to all of those who claim this shouldnt be a big deal, it is when it seems to be all around you. And judging by some of the other responses, I dont think Im the only person (man or woman) who has run into this problem. After reading 9 pages of this thread, though, does the ultimate answer simply come down to the fact that a devout Christian and one that isnt very active is equitable to two completely different cultures? Like a Hindu and a Jew, where there simply is no middle ground and thats why the devout Christians want to make clear theyre excluding anyone who doesnt believe in the way that they do? | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 2:40:17 PM |
Why Do So Many Women Require That I Must Love God?
So that when you're in the middle of hot and steamy sex, and she needs to scream out a name because she's forgotten yours, you'll believe her when she's screaming MY GOD, MY GOD... | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 4:18:46 PM | @just_em
So, is your point in compiling that list to show that those that claim a belief in a God can also can be inventors. Isn't that obvious???
As for your statement of conversion, only people pushing a religious agenda can be converted from one "faith" to another. Rationalist base their beliefs entirely on evidence and thus faith plays no part, the realizations come simply by learning more about how the world is doing what it does as told to us by ....the world! No second, third or 20th hand interpretations allowed only the data does the talking. If the world changes then theory must change to accommodate the new data, not the other way around. (which is how all religion is based, philosophy selecting evidence not evidence selecting philosophy)
A causal connection can not be made between the existence of trees and grass and that of a sentient , watching deity. Surely you see the absurdity of that logical connection (you might be able to provide a more continuous line of causation but the ones provided fail to be convincing of the conclusion).
Finally, be aware that many of those individuals lived in times when non belief , atheism was expressly forbidden by law. Yes, there was a time very recently when someone bold enough to express that "opinion" would be put in stocks and set up for execution simply because they lacked a faith in the prevailing "God" or "Gods" of the land. In fact that time still exists today in many parts of the middle east...it is interesting that the religious call for tolerance of their non evidence based beliefs but when individuals profess the lack of faith because evidence says there is no reason to hold it, they are put to the coals. This is a climate that is fast losing its grip on societies as science and reason continue to reach the masses (thank "God" for the internet) but it is chilling that it ever did and still does exist any where on Earth. It would have been crazy for them to profess atheism or even (the very popular before pre 20th century times) deist beliefs. For example , Thomas Jefferson was at most a deist (meaning he didn't believe in a personal watching God but could allow for a "first mover" God at best)...there are many people who profess a belief in a God externally but internally either have doubts or outright do not belief , a good example is the recently deceased Mother Teresa who's diaries show clearly the loss of faith she experienced in her life (but it didn't stop her from being good). Some of the guys on that list (Newton) are in my pantheon of Hero's!. I would highly doubt that all of them would be happy with being labeled a "bible believing scientist" , it is one thing to profess a belief in "something" to saying that all of these individuals were reading Bible chapters at night (which we can't possibly know unless all of them have notes indicating this) since many of these guys are my personal hero's I'd like to see the source for this list so I can research their sources. I'll see if i can track down the citation provided.
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Posted: 5/15/2008 5:03:52 PM | | GOD IS DEAD...expounding on this...since the age of 20 I have collected religous icons from around the world. I call it my CYA collection. I am fascinated by religion more the why's and what for's.. An anthropoligical approach is my style. ..This is why I think god is dead and just a bunch of bullshit. I was not raised in a religious family. My younger sister found "Jesus..God??" at the age of 25. She home schooled her children all the way through high school.. she writes christian childrens stories, she tutours special needs children, she has been married to her hubby for almost 32 years..planning on spending the retirement years with him.. At the age of 52 she has been diagnosed with ovarian cancer..the silent killer..while we single heathen siblings who smoke drink and have not made a difference in this world as she has have a future to look forward to...sometimes there is no ryhme or reason. | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 6:04:54 PM | Scientists Who Believe
By: David Fisher
Moody Publishers / 1984 / Paperback
You can purchase this book pretty inexpensively. There are tons of books out there about the great thinkers who were Christians and believed in God.
Please note that I always state that the Bible has many books that were included in the Bible, there are also those books that were not included. The Bible was written and rewritten and translated and retranslated quite a few times and transferred from one hand to another hand as the books were illegal to be held at one time. I also stress to really read what Jesus said. I am sure the great thinkers are very similiar. They understand that the black and white isn't the exact words as written etc. Do not equate going to church and reading the Bible as making you a Christian. It is has more to do with how you lead your life and treat others. From my readings, Christ travelled and learnt many lessons from different religions. This is why I feel strongly some people live very Christian lives but do not attend any church or even read what we call The Bible.
I really don't like to write tons about Christianity as I did not have the college education or training that many people do to really discuss it. I do feel strongly that I will tell people that plants, animals, children, etc. are miracles from God. I do believe this, they are amazing gifts. It is so much easier dating someone that also believes in God as I do. It is great to even have a group that has similiar beliefs that you can share with. If you go to a service and aren't comfortable with the other people there, don't make that a reason to not believe, that church isn't for you or maybe church isn't. Do your own reading and searching in your heart. | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 7:41:19 PM | 1. I haven't noticed.
2. Hypocrites are everywhere.
3. A lot.
4. I think worry about clashing on a spiritual level. While some are able to accept people for who they are, others have road blocks that cease their ability to grow with a person who does not believe as they do. | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 8:04:30 PM | Trying to explain God to a nonbeliever is sort of like trying to explain what the color blue looks like to a man born blind. You can talk and talk but you never know if they really understand. People want someone who understands them to share their life with. I can't separate my life into neat little components. God is an integral part of life. Whether your a believer or not, hes still there. Those of us who are Christians just want someone whos not blind to that color, if you get my drift.
I wouldn't even be a physician if God had not brought me there. I'm really not a religious zealot but I am a committed (though VERY imperfect) Christian. When I was young and lacked self confidence, I knew I wanted to go into Medicine but did not know if it was possible. I sought God's guidance and since he doesn't speak to me verbally like he does some of these Baptists, I had to discover his Will in a more round about fashion. So I told God, "God, If you want me to go into Medicine, I'm going to need some really good grades but if you just want me to get my nursing degree, I only need C's". For the next 3 years I made almost straight A's. Prior to this I had all B's and C's. I continued to get all A's and B's all the way through Med school. I felt that God had indicated his Will in my life. I hope you are all as blessed as I was and get such clear answers about your path in life. | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 8:24:31 PM | | Jana: That's just from your point of view. I think whether you believe or not it's obvious that he's NOT there. No more than any other mythical being that people have created anyway. Don't assume that us poor condemned non believers can't comprehend the concept of a god. I've been on both sides of the fence and I came to understand the dangerous and delusional state believing in a diety puts you in. Once I realized how brainwashed I was, I was cured of "believing" and began to actually think for myself. I can't believe that you think a god has anything to do with any grades you got in school. The fact you believed caused you to be more positive and try harder. Give credit to yourself. A real sign of god would be if you made average grades after a lot of hard work, prayed and then never studied or tried yet had every answer suddenly appear to you without any explanation. If this happened, I would say you may have had some sort of divine help. | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 8:24:35 PM |
tabulation of some of these great scientists of the past, with the disciplines they founded or the particular discoveries or inventions they made, is given below. It is surely extremely wrong for anyone to allege (as many do) that one cannot be a true scientist and still believe in special creation.
SCIENTIFIC DISCIPLINES ESTABLISHED BY BIBLE-BELIEVING SCIENTISTS
Discipline Scientist
1. Antiseptic Surgery Joseph Lister (1827 1912)
2. Bacteriology Louis Pasteur (1822 1895)
3. Calculus Isaac Newton (1642 1727)
4. Celestial Mechanics Johann Kepler (1571 1630)
5. Chemistry Robert Boyle (1726 1691)
6. Comparative Anatomy Georges Cuvier (1769 1832)
7. Computer Science Charles Babbage (1792 1871)
8. Dimensional Analysis Lord Rayleigh (1842 1919)
9. Dynamics Isaac Newton (1642 1727)
10. Electrodynamics James Clerk Maxwell (1831 1879)
11. Electromagnetics Michael Faraday (1791 1867)
12. Electronics Ambrose Fleming (1849 1945)
13. Energetics Lord Kelvin (1824 1907)
14. Entomology of Living Insects Henri Fabre (1823 1915)
15. Field Theory Michael Faraday (1791 1867)
16. Fluid Mechanics George Stokes (1819 1903)
17. Galactic Astronomy William Herschel (1738 1822)
18. Gas Dynamics Robert Boyle (1627 1691)
19. Genetics Gregor Mendel (1822 1884)
20. Glacial Geology Louis Agassiz (1807 1873)
21. Gynecology James Simpson (1811 1870)
22. Hydraulics Leonardo da Vinci (1452 1519)
23. Hydrography Matthew Maury (1806 1873)
24. Hydrostatics Blaise Pascal (1623 1662)
25. Ichthyology Louis Agassiz (1807 1873)
26. Isotopic Chemistry William Ramsay (1852 1916)
27. Model Analysis Lord Rayleigh (1842 1919)
28. Natural History John Ray (1627 1705)
29. Non-Euclidean Geometry Bernhard Riemann (1826 1866)
30. Oceanography Matthew Maury (1806 1873)
31. Optical Mineralogy David Brewster (1781 1868)
32. Paleontology John Woodward (1665 1728)
33. Pathology Rudolph Virchow (1821 1902)
34. Physical Astronomy Johann Kepler (1571 1630)
35. Reversible Thermodynamics James Joule (1818 1889)
36. Statistical Thermodynamics James Clerk Maxwell (1831 1879)
37. Stratigraphy Nicholas Steno (1631 1686)
38. Systematic Biology Carolus Linnaeus (1707 1778)
39. Thermodynamics Lord Kelvin (1824 1907)
40. Thermokinetics Humprey Davy (1778 1829)
41. Vertebrate Paleontology Georges Cuvier (1769 1832)
NOTABLE INVENTIONS, DISCOVERIES OR DEVELOPMENTS BY BIBLE-BELIEVING SCIENTISTS
Contribution Scientist
1. Absolute Temperature Scale Lord Kelvin (1824 1907)
2. Actuarial Tables Charles Babbage (1792 1871)
3. Barometer Blaise Pascal (1623 1662)
4. Biogenesis Law Louis Pasteur (1822 1895)
5. Calculating Machine Charles Babbage (1792 1871)
6. Chloroform James Simpson (1811 1870)
7. Classification System Carolus Linnaeus (1707 1778)
8. Double Stars William Herschel (1738 1822)
9. Electric Generator Michael Faraday (1791 1867)
10. Electric Motor Joseph Henry (1797 1878)
11. Ephemeris Tables Johann Kepler (1571 1630)
12. Fermentation Control Louis Pasteur (1822 1895)
13. Galvanometer Joseph Henry (1797 1878)
14. Global Star Catalog John Herschel (1792 1871)
15. Inert Gases William Ramsay (1852 1916)
16. Kaleidoscope David Brewster (1781 1868)
17. Law of Gravity Isaac Newton (1642 1727)
18. Mine Safety Lamp Humphrey Davy (1778 1829)
19. Pasteurization Louis Pasteur (1822 1895)
20. Reflecting Telescope Isaac Newton (1642 1727)
21. Scientific Method Francis Bacon (1561 1626)
22. Self-Induction Joseph Henry (1797 1878)
23. Telegraph Samuel F. B. Morse (1791 1872)
24. Thermionic Valve Ambrose Fleming (1849 1945)
25. Trans-Atlantic Cable Lord Kelvin (1824 1907)
26. Vaccination and Immunization Louis Pasteur (1822 1895)
This tabulation, showing that many of the founding fathers of modern science were men who believed in God, the Bible and creation, was first published as an ICR "Impact Article" in Acts and Facts, (Jan. 1982), then in Men of Science, Men of God, by Henry M. Morris (San Diego: Master Books,1982, 1988), 107 pp
Maybe I didn't read all the replies correctly, but really didn't feel anyone tried to convert, push, etc. anyone into believing in God, but yeah seems odd that those that don't often try to disprove the existance of God. I look out my window and see my trees and grass, I see my kids, etc. and know he exists. I love being in the company of the above great thinkers!
This men lived in a different day. Most if not all of the educational institutions were Christian and really you didn't have much choice about your religious beliefs if you wanted to make a living and be taken seriously. I'm not sure what these men would believe if they were alive today, but I would be willing to bet your list would look a bit different. | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 8:43:06 PM | cw35.....The nice thing about Christianity is that nobody is condemned. We are ALL imperfect and All forgiven of the imperfections. Jesus saved me and everyone else. I don't have to work for it. I don't have to do anything. I don't believe because I fear Hell. I believe because I cannot do otherwise. Unlike some Christians, I don't believe you have to realize you have been given a gift for it to be recieved and I don't believe you have to recognize God for him to be all around you and in you. Don't worry about it! All is Good!  | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 9:16:34 PM | | I've seen many of the "Most love God profiles" I'm still not quite sure what to make of it... Its a bit of a turn off for me.. I think wording it more along the lines of " must respect my religon " would do the trick... At the same time though why is that Christianity seems to be the only religon that ever gets bashed ?? | |
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Posted: 5/16/2008 6:18:52 AM | | Christianity gets bashed the most because it is the most prominent in North America and also seems to have more hypocritical followers than other religions. This is one of the reasons other countries hate North American society. Don't worry though, I despise every religion equally and believe that they all do (and have done) incredible damage to our world and it's inhabitants. | |
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Posted: 5/16/2008 9:53:49 AM | Max Planck (1858-1947)
Planck made many contributions to physics, but is best known for quantum theory, which revolutionized our understanding of the atomic and sub-atomic worlds. In his 1937 lecture "Religion and Naturwissenschaft," Planck expressed the view that God is everywhere present, and held that "the holiness of the unintelligible Godhead is conveyed by the holiness of symbols." Atheists, he thought, attach too much importance to what are merely symbols. Planck was a churchwarden from 1920 until his death, and believed in an almighty, all-knowing, beneficent God (though not necessarily a personal one). Both science and religion wage a "tireless battle against skepticism and dogmatism, against unbelief and superstition" with the goal "toward God!"
Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
Einstein is probably the best known and most highly revered scientist of the twentieth century, and is associated with major revolutions in our thinking about time, gravity, and the conversion of matter to energy (E=mc2). Although never coming to belief in a personal God, he recognized the impossibility of a non-created universe. The Encyclopedia Britannica says of him: "Firmly denying atheism, Einstein expressed a belief in "Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of what exists." This actually motivated his interest in science, as he once remarked to a young physicist: "I want to know how God created this world, I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details." Einstein's famous epithet on the "uncertainty principle" was "God does not play dice" - and to him this was a real statement about a God in whom he believed. A famous saying of his was "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."
Hey, I keep adding...
Most if not all of the educational institutions were Christian
That is simply not true! Public schools in the United States began in the 1700's and were country wide in the 1800's.
These people had choices. It actually was often more difficult being a Christian. If you wanted to get something in print, you had to go to a printer. Printers did care what religion you were, what language you spoke, etc. Me thinks that you need to do some reading about the people I have on the lists.
I can start going into the 20th Century more, but the books and the people I read about are from the 18th and 19th century primarily. I don't have the time. I think the point has been proven that intelligent minds, Mensa Members, award winning scientists etc. do have faith and saying you doubt it, well hey, do your own reading if you don't want to believe these people do and continue to be Christians. I don't need to prove it to you, it is easy for you to make uneducated false statements than to do the research.
I am no "Born Again Christian," I was born once into a Christian family and raised a Christian. I happily have dated Christians, like minds. I don't want to convert anyone, but I certainly don't hide my light. It is wonderful for faith to be another matching factor in a relationship. You don't like a girl that believes in God or how she practices her faith, move on. That is what I do when I don't feel there is a match. Keep on fishing! | |
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| Why Do So Many Women Require That I Must Love God?
Posted: 5/16/2008 12:33:07 PM | | Im sorry this has turned into a Christian bashing thread. As the OP, that was never my intention. All I wanted were some simple answers. The discussion about religion vs. science and all that crap has nothing to do with my original post. Guess I shoulda known better than to open the door for faith-bashers. | |
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| Why Do So Many Women Require That I Must Love God?
Posted: 5/16/2008 12:59:41 PM | REmember as Aislin said, you'll never see the headline 'Atheists Bomb Agnostic Stronghold'. All wars ongoing now are based on creed.
As a secular humanist, I have stronger morals than many Judeo-Christians and faith in humanity, not in thundergods, daddy figures or their zombie sons. Imagine explaining to a space-travelling species: erm, we wrote this book called the old testament that said we should stone women who wear clothes made of wool and cotton, but we don't believe that anymore now that we're enlightened and worship a wise, forgiving, charitable man, erm, who came a zombie.
Churchgoers are more likely than non-churchgoers to be in jail, and 90% of Mensa members are atheists and agnostics; no coincidence that A&A's are called 'Brights'.
So when I see 'God comes first' in a guy's profile, he's likely a hypocrite who's bad in bed. If he says faith/family/charity is important to him, all of those are important to me, so I'd be more inclined to know more about him since a couple of my best ex-boyfriends were religious. But if he demands my faith be identical to his, I know he lacks the charity he professes, and he's just another bigot. | |
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| Why Do So Many Women Require That I Must Love God?
Posted: 5/16/2008 1:15:18 PM | Hopeful 73 you actually sound like a really nice guy but yeah you sure have opened a can of horrible worms. shall we get this thread deleted now, and send all the christian bashers back to the religeon forum where they belong and have a party of our own? hahahaha  | |
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| Why Do So Many Women Require That I Must Love God?
Posted: 5/16/2008 1:58:39 PM | Lord have mercy!!! Most people I run into who have a bad taste in their mouth about "organized Religion"( as if they're all in cahoots) usually feel that way because they expect it to be all about them. It's really about worshipping the One who created everything, because God loves to be worshipped. Don't you want recognition for your creations? Well, God does, too. Just a relationship is all He(she, it) is asking. That and maybe 10% back into the kitty. (wherever you're spiritually fed) You worship God, He is pleased with you, and the blessings will chase you down the street Unless you don't need any blessings... | |
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| Why Do So Many Women Require That I Must Love God?
Posted: 5/16/2008 3:27:07 PM |
and 90% of Mensa members are atheists and agnostics;
Geez, why do people make this stuff up? There are even Christian groups within Mensa that get newsletters and have online discussions about Christianity. Now of course I will not claim to know about Mensa outside North America.
Intelligent people know that they will never know everything and that the more they learn the more they realize how little they do know. | |
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