| Re: What Is An Appropriate Punishment For Rapists And Child Molestors
Posted: 10/9/2004 6:36:35 PM | | Give them a choice- capital punishment or limb removal(all). Or we can put them in a room with the victims families for 10 minutes or so with the assumption that they can't purposely be killed. Give them blood transfusions so the next victims families can give it a go. | |
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| Re: What Is An Appropriate Punishment For Rapists And Child Molestors
Posted: 10/9/2004 9:55:50 PM | | in some areas rapists get less time then theives and drug dealers. The best punishment I ever heard was about a man who raped a woman. He really did a number on her put her in ICU after he left her for dead. He now has to on a daily basis send a check for exactly a dollar to the charity who brought her back to life. He also has to spend the rest of his life on an ankle bracelet that records where he goes, a local county sheriff visits his house twice a week, his phone is tapped and if he calls certain numbers or recieves calls from certain numbers they are cut off, he is not allowed to get a cell phone and he has to be signed in and out of work. Let him walk the streets go ahead. . . but do it in a way he still feels like a prisoner or a victim so he knows on a daily basis the pain and anguish he caused his victim. She is still deathly afraid of him after 6 years and she hasn't seen him since. | |
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| What Is An Appropriate Punishment For Rapists And Child Molestors
Posted: 10/9/2004 10:52:48 PM | I the case of a Rapest, that's pretty simple...*J*
CUT IT OFF,and if it is a searl rapist meaning that he just can't stop, option 2 Sex Change,turn him into a woman and put it back into a men's prison, or kill him...*J*
In the case if Child Molestation,
KILL EM...*J*
The reason why the courts let them go, is that Rapest and Child Molesters are good for the Judicial Buisness...*J*
Meaning that their play stir's the people up,so other crimes are comitted, The Judicial System makes Big Money on every case that passes through their court system...*J*
I know people in The Private Prison Buisness,these people Buy The Land,Build The Prison,Staff it,provide all inmate clothing,everything that has to do with the prison industry, they do and these people are Billionares in cash not credit!!!
That is why Rapest and Child Molesters get a slap on their fanny and are set ferr to do it again,and again,and again,and again,untill someone kill's them and the person who kill's them get's 99 to life...*J* | |
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| Re: Appropriate Punishment For Rapists And Child Molestors
Posted: 10/10/2004 12:26:33 AM | I think you are right people should be punished for there acts. sex crimes are more likely knower days then years ago its an act of power one has over his or her life. But then sex videos are wached all over the world and even people that are together share then it dose not mean if you watch sex films you will do a sex crime. so what i am geting at I think that thery is silly.
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| Re: Appropriate Punishment For Rapists And Child Molestors
Posted: 10/10/2004 3:26:28 AM | | Ok umm having been through both types of trauma(prolly shouldnt reveal that but oh well) I personally reported mine and nothing was ever done, even though they had name address and number and everything. The justice system stinks, i almost killed a 12yr old(the kid is now 18 and still doing al kinds of stuff) for touching my son when he was 5, i had the boy by his throat literally and my mom wouldnt let me do it, what happened was reported bout my son as well and all they ever did was stick him in foster care and run through counseling which hasnt helped him. So i am going to seem a very cold person when i say the following: In my mind they are not even human they are monsters, inhuman beasts, bring back torture chambers and devices, put em in there, and let them suffer till the pain eventually kills em, put em on the rack etc. A nice long slow painful death, very slow very painful. Ok ive said enough, prolly going to sound like the coldest and most screwed up person in this forum. | |
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| Re: Appropriate Punishment For Rapists And Child Molestors
Posted: 10/10/2004 3:49:57 AM | | for a rapist he should be locked in a room with the victims family and they should deal justice as they seem fit,if he die he dies so what one less tosser to worry about.child abuser freeze theier bodies until the bones are brittle then boil and flay them but start peeling his skin off from his p>>>>.so he will know what pain is.or let 5 women who are mothers kick his a$$ properly. | |
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Posted: 10/10/2004 5:15:13 AM | | What these people have done could be worst than killing, so I don’t think any punishment to these **stards will be ever enough for the victim or victim’s family members. Instead of spending money to feed those worthless beings on jail, exterminate them immediately (same thing you do with rats and roaches) and spend that money on the victims. | |
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| Re: What Is An Appropriate Punishment For Rapists And Child Molestors
Posted: 10/11/2004 12:25:03 AM | | Castration and Sterilization didn't work because it is not about sex, it is about power. And a study done by researcher (can't remember the name) showed that rapist and child molestors who were casterated or sterilized would use other implements to sexually assault victims...I won't go into detail. | |
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| What Is An Appropriate Punishment For Rapists And Child Molestors
Posted: 10/11/2004 2:06:11 AM | Although the Legal System is far from perfect, and I'm sure better changes could be made, it nevertheless empowers Juries to pass judgement.
Except for sentences being far too lax, I wouldn't change a thing of the existing Justice System. | |
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| Re: Appropriate Punishment For Rapists And Child Molestors
Posted: 10/13/2004 8:26:58 PM |
the #1 thing that people do immediately before commiting a sex crime is to watch porn.
Your assertion is completely wrong. If you look into the Meese Commission on Pornographyt dconcerning porn which was during the Reagan years...remember this was the time of family values, Falwell had influence, and Tipper Gore began her quest to put ratings on our music. This was a 1960 page report that took aton of money and talented peoples time to come up with these final assumptions.
 Two female members of the Commission, Judith Becker, director of the Sexual Behavior Clinic at the New York State Psychiatric Institute, and Ellen Levine, editor of Woman's Day, objected to "efforts to tease the current data into a causal link" between pornography and violence. Many social scientists believe that sexual attitudes are formed very early in life, and that pornography is "a symptom of deviant sexuality rather than a cause of it." According to Nicholas Groth, who worked with sex-offenders at the Connecticut Correctional Institution, such men get turned on looking at children's underwear ads in the Sears catalog (Stengel et al. 15).
Certain themes seem to be particularly harmful. Films which depict sexual violence in which the woman is shown to become aroused and eventually to enjoy it seem to result in the greatest affect on the attitudes of men who see them. Yet this research can be tricky to interpret. In none of the studies cited "has a measure of motivation such as 'likelihood to rape' ever changed as a result of exposure to pornography." Men who are already predisposed to violent attitudes toward women may be more sexually aroused by violent materials, "but there is no reason to think that exposure to violent pornography is the cause of these predispositions." The results of these studies indicate that exposure to violent pornography is not causing callous attitudes, but reinforcing preexisting ones (Donnerstein & Linz 57-59).
A point originally articulated by the women's movement and brought out by Murray Strauss, who was a witness in front of the Commission, is that "Rape is not so much a sexual act as it is a violent one. Rape is the use of sex to express aggression." Christie Hefner, president and chief operating officer of Playboy Enterprises, Inc., suggested that "If one examines countries that have serious problems of violence and abuse against women-such as South Africa, Iran, or the Soviet Union-you discover that these are countries that are not only politically repressive but sexually repressive" (27). Regarding images of bondage and rape in printed material, she pointed to Japan, where such images are much more prevalent than in this country, and yet the incidence of rape in Japan is one-sixteenth that in the United States. According to Hefner, the greatest public policy danger of the report is that "it misdirects sincere people's attention away from thinking about the real causes of violence and abuse" (29).
The Meese Commission's concentration on sexual materials, despite overwhelming evidence that violence is the main source of harm, has been compared to "a physician who examines a patient complaining of a cold and, during the course of a physical examination, discovers the patient is also suffering from cancer. The physician treats the patient only for his cold and justifies ignoring the cancer because the patient came in for treatment of a cold" (Scott 1159). Violence, as expressed in popular culture, especially the television programming to which young children are exposed, is the cancer in American society; and those who treat sexual materials as the scapegoat are ignoring the real malignancy.
Material above researched in a well respected report:
Politics and Pornography:
A Comparison of the Findings of the President's Commission and the Meese Commission and the Resulting Response
by David M. Edwards
So before you wag your finger at sex. Look at violence on Tv and Movies. Look at sexual education. And understand that pornography banished would most likely lead to a great increase in sexual crimes. I think a real positive that has come from the last 20 years of the evolving world of pornography is that violence is no longer used as a story line...like it was in the 70's. The involvement of Women in the business as directors and producers of pornography for couples and if you look at a magazine like Playboy...Playboy has been pro- womens -rights, against the subjectication of women as objects to be used. The magazine is actually a celebration of the female form as art and beauty. If anything look at the advisor column in Playboy....this advice for men column...has always been a proponent of treating women with respect and equality. Even in a way that the advisor has come across as a demanding school teacher answering men's faux paux's with a verbal lashing and then educating them the proper way.
So easy with your assertions...Pornography is free speech and is protected. And It only takes a handful of ignorant to erode our freedoms based on faulty basis of the causation of sexual crimes
on a lighter note this all reminds me of the premise in SouthPark: The Movie...which is Blame Canada!". Makes sense if you have seen the film. | |
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Posted: 10/13/2004 8:41:05 PM | | And not that I need to justify my beliefs. i was a victim of a molester (stranger) when I was nine years old. Not only did he steal my ideal version of the world his act altered me in so many ways (fear of being hugged by parents to sexual repressiveness to sexual promiscuity, ). This guy wasn't watching porn before he got me...he was slowly circling schools and parks like a shark moving in for the kill. I forgave him finally when I realized that this is a sick part of him that he will never be able to hide from, And he has to live and die knowing he was/is a monster. | |
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Posted: 10/18/2004 10:55:50 PM | | I am a survivor of rape when I was a kid on the streets I got it. One time I ranaway from home and was hitching I got picked up this son of a b*tch wouldn't let me go. I agreed to go to a motel with him hoping to make my escape he told me if I ranaway from him he would call the police and tell them I was his emotionaly disturbed grandson I was so scared, I thought I was going to die I was 13 years old. There's was no where to go to get away so I told him if he took a shower I'd do whatever he wanted he took off his clothes and wanted me to join him. I thought I could just runaway take his clothes, but I remembered he said he would call the cops I went outside there on the ground next to the door was a brick I ran back in and threw it overhand as hard as I could into the shower. He screamed and tried to get out of the way but there was no where for him to go he slipped when it was over he was dead and I went away to a boys home for four years, my mom didn't want me anyway. That wasn't the only time it happened you live on the streets when your a kid sh*ts gonna happen, I'm an older guy now my life was ****ed over this stuff, I lost a childhood friend to one of these maggots and I have seen the end result of other kids gone through what I have, it never goes away all the dope, alcohol in the world couldn't fix it, revenge doesn't do it either therapy helps Jesus helps alot, killing that guy was an accident it was self defence but I still took a life....I say give them brain salad surgery.....a labotomy. | |
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Posted: 10/18/2004 11:33:32 PM | the problem with sex offenders is that A) the laws are way too weak on them (the guy that raped me was given 6 months parole and fined $5,000...which I used to buy my first horse... the only therapy that got me though my teenage years) and B) they are NOT rehab-able!! they will continue to reoffend, get a slap on the wrist, and be put on the streets to reoffend again.
even castration is not a deterrant for them, they're so sick they'll use objects or other body parts to commit their crimes. lock them up for life? sure but they'll prey on other prisoners, and cost a fortune to house and feed.
the chair? sure. sounds like a good option to me. | |
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Posted: 10/19/2004 4:24:13 AM | Okay...I havent read any of the previous posts.. and to be honest... I wont or cant...
I SEE RED WHEN IT COMES TO THIS SHIT. Sorry... this is a real hard thing in my life for me to deal with. I have never been raped or molested... but I have a VERY, VERY , VERY HARD TIME WITH IT.
What do I thing should be done with them? Honestly? Take the mother ****ers out and beat them within an inch of their life... bring them back in... alive... and toss them into the general population prison... let the bulls get them for about a month or two. Dont kill them... yet. Then toss them in a cell, and let the medical equivilant of a public defender come nurture them back... then bring them into what ever form of death penalty that particular state has.
I know, all you bleeding hearts arent going to like that, but you **** with my kids or my wife... and this is d*mn near close to what I myself would do to you. You ask what I would do... there ya go!!! | |
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| What Is An Appropriate Punishment For Rapists And Child Molestors
Posted: 10/19/2004 8:16:11 PM | Too be totally blunt KILL them!
Speaking from experience and someone that has worked with victims, adults and children...when someone is done like that they lose a piece of their soul and alot do not come back to the person they were beforehand, how far is it of us to give the predator, food, shelter, roof,gym education, etc when the victims have to live with this for the rest of their lives and they are given nothing! Our justice system in my eyes sucks and there is nothing wrong with an eye for an eye. We as a society have become to lazy and too d*mn politically correct and trying to "rehab or treat" these preditors and that's exactly what they are no differant then the wild!!! I have worked with the mentally ill for years but Im also realistic NOT EVERYONE CAN BE SAVED!!! You serve more time in jail for robbing a bank then killing someone or volitating them sexually, for molesting a small inncocent child and taking their youth away they might as well slap them on the hand and led them to a play ground, the statics for rehabbing a rapists or child molester is soooo small and hardly can be proven, I dont know about you but Im not taking that chance with my kid or myself!! Id be more then happy to pull the plug or drop the rope, this doesnt make me wrong or sick it makes me realistic with understanding the system and people, they are never going to change they will never go away, no drug no therapy no casteration nothing will help, so are we going to let them stay, infect our families and friends and society, to pass on their genes and their ways to their victims and their own families????? Time to end the visicious cycle.....
If anyone else can prove me wrong Im more then happy to hear you out but its very unlikey.. | |
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