| Re: What Is An Appropriate Punishment For Rapists And Child Molestors
Posted: 11/22/2005 5:35:39 PM | | ^^ Must agree...and at least if we went the way of the death penalty for such crimes, more often than not there is bodily fluids left behind that will prove this person guilty beyond a resonable doubt. Rape is an act of control, while the end result is sexual satisfaction. It's messed up really...but Im all for once you do it, death awaits you. | |
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| Re: What Is An Appropriate Punishment For Rapists And Child Molestors
Posted: 11/22/2005 6:46:07 PM | | ^^ See that's a BS ruling. Gauranteed if it had been a 25 year old male teahcer and a 14 year old female student....he'd be serving max time in prison. And to answer your question, I beleive life in prison with general population is better than death...they still have life but can't live it like they want..seems more torturous to me. | |
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| What Is An Appropriate Punishment For Rapists And Child Molestors
Posted: 11/22/2005 7:22:25 PM | | I agree with byde-put them on an island. RE-OPEN ALCATRAZ!! Let them fend for themselves. drop them by helicopter. If they die during fall-well, there's dinner for the ones that are all ready there! If they want to act like animals in our society let them live like animals on Alcatraz. | |
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| What Is An Appropriate Punishment For Rapists And Child Molestors
Posted: 11/22/2005 7:37:31 PM | | This is a hard subject to debate over but i'm gonna put my 2 cents in anyways. I deal with Sexual Offenders on a daily basis. I am a Social Worker and have to face these monsters, 9 out of 10 times their treatment never works and within 30 -90 days they have re-offended. I find that everything that you read in papers or magazines about starting this or giving them this type of a treatment never helps them. I honestly can't tell you what it is that arouses these sick acts of cruelty but I am at the point where I do believe that a death penalty should be reinforced for them. Regardless if they do it once or do it multiple times. My theory of belief is once they have done it they are at high risk to do it again. I'm not the one to make that call though | |
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| What Is An Appropriate Punishment For Rapists And Child Molestors
Posted: 11/22/2005 7:53:47 PM | I do believe in severe punishment for anyone who harms a child, up to and
including the death penalty.
However...
There have been a number of high-profile cases where the justice system
broke down. Does anyone remember the McMartin Preschool case? The
allegations were completely ridiculous and a blind man could tell that those
kids were coached by the prosecution, but a politically ambitious
D.A. was able to use the jury's natural revultion towards child molesters to
get a guilty verdict. The defendant's civil rights went out the window, and it took
years for most of them to get their convictions reversed.
So yes, prosecute vigorously and punish harshly, but bear in mind that all of that
legal i-dotting and t-crossing is there for a reason, so that innocent people are
not caught up. | |
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| What Is An Appropriate Punishment For Rapists And Child Molestors
Posted: 11/22/2005 8:03:02 PM | This thread was done awhile back. Many, many pages of people giving their opinions on suitable punishment. You ask what is a solution. Truthfully there is only one solution but when people are confronted with this topic their outrage takes over and common sense is thrown out the window. The ONLY solution for this problem is to understand why it occurs. Knowledge is the key.
Some people scream for prison sentences. Others for castration. Yet others for death. But for every one of these offenders (male and female alike) you jail, kill or castrate their are more to take their place. So logically the only solution is to understand the crime and the motives.
As for the person claiming to have done a paper on this subject. Your stats are way off base. Try doing some current research and the show me where you get 1 in 10 are pedophiles. And for those interested here is the other thread.
http://forums.plentyoffish.com/2093750datingPostpage4.aspx | |
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| What Is An Appropriate Punishment For Rapists And Child Molestors
Posted: 11/22/2005 8:06:35 PM | | Simple. ANY human being who intentionally harms (either physically or mentally) another human OR animal should be permanently blinded. That would prevent them from ever perpetrating another crime. Period. No forgiveness. They can then go live on a group island somewhere and have food etc dropped off. Goodbye good riddance. | |
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| What Is An Appropriate Punishment For Rapists And Child Molestors
Posted: 11/22/2005 8:09:38 PM |
As for the person claiming to have done a paper on this subject. Your stats are way off base. Try doing some current research and the show me where you get 1 in 10 are pedophiles.
Nicely put Simple, I never saw that one
But for every Offender or Pedophile I see the motives are never the same, the stories or reasoning are different every time. | |
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| What Is An Appropriate Punishment For Rapists And Child Molestors
Posted: 11/22/2005 8:11:38 PM | Well consider that 90% of the accusations are total b.s. (usually made in custody battles), that the "rehibilitation" for the offenders is like an Orwellian comic book. That the standards for finding guilt is like nile to none. The the term 'Sex Offender' has basically replaced "Thought Criminal" in our society. That organizations like Amnesty International do more to 'fear monger' on the subject rather than objectively look at the situation. That they would rather promote misleading research so they can get "Donation Dollars" like a genie from a lamp. That realistically people attracted to children suffer from the same "fetish" that homosexuals and S and M minded people suffer from the world could be a different place.
Disclaimer:
Yes, people are "f**ked up", they need help, reason, they were f**ked up in childhood by sickos, thus tramatizing and fetishing the child. L*sbian plays are based on this same theory, ie Vag*na Monologues, where they consider the plying of a 13 year old girl a "good raping". I sh*t you not.
There is a cure, it's called 'Your patience, tolerance and objectivety'. There is a cure proscribed by a doctor who claims to cure homosexuality by labling it as a fetish, the same works for those who force themselves on people/children.
The reason I know this is because my uncle was this way. He was sent to children's aid and "reform school". He was repeatedly molested and abused. He grew up to be a sex abuser, alcoholic/drug addicted homosexual who led a horrible life and died of AIDS at 32. I know because I was one of his victims.
If his parents had took a more active role in his life. If the "authorities" better screened their social workers. If society wasnt' so quick to condemn and rather understand psychologically the variables at work (rather than make a financial industry of either political fear mongering or prison complexing for cash) we could aim for a better society.
The person who wrote 'An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure' knew what he was talking about.
So yes, though these horrible crimes happen, I also hope none of you are on the wrong end of this type of justice you mention, where 'Witch Hunts' are the norm fueled by a Media Frenzy thats real goal is to gain advertising dollars rather than dispense real justice.
Duh! *Progress*? After reading this thread I can see that the Salem witch hunt mentality doesn't breed itself out of society, it just finds something else to hunt. It's so easy to condemn a peodofile or a rapist, why even bother having trials or really understanding the situation?
And for the person who said it's about power? Wrong, it's about power for those feminist nitmiks who use it for power. Ie 'The Personal is the Political'. The rapist themselves male or female (accept never female when a feminist speaks) may actually be about sex. But for the feminist/political smut it's always about power, power for them, as it is part of their leveraging tactics and anti-marriage/marxist concepts. | |
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Posted: 11/22/2005 8:17:24 PM | ladyncuffs
Forgive me I did not finish my post. It is an emotional topic for me. I meant to add that yes, separation from society is necessary. Using your island idea. I would place them there for study. Learn why they committ these heinous crimes. Then once we know what causes it we can wipe it out completely. Instead of stopping one while several more continue on their rampage.
And blinding someone will not necessarily stop them. Sexual crimes are no more about what the perpetrator sees than they are about sex. It is more about pain and power. You see, most offenders were once themselves a victim of the very same crime. Anyway, I am all for separation and then knowledge. Keep them from people until we understand why this kind of thing happens. | |
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Posted: 11/22/2005 8:21:26 PM | deidrel
There is one common theme in this sort of crime. I am not certain if it is true for every person but for the majority it is. They have all been a victim of the same sort of crime at some point during their childhood.
I find it amusing that the ones who are so gung ho to respect the rights of children who have been victimized forget that the perpetrator was once a child that was victimized. I am not saying this condones his/her action. Only that there is more to this than just he/she did the crime, kill them. Let's try to understand. | |
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| What Is An Appropriate Punishment For Rapists And Child Molestors
Posted: 11/22/2005 8:29:41 PM | I think the real reason they are so gung ho about it, has more to do with political power.
These nitwits use it as a "protection racket" to gain more police control.
A young woman ran off with her boyfriend last week. It was all over the news. He was "armed and dangerous" ant it was a "kidnapping". Wrong. He was her boyfriend and she left with him willingly. Any retractions made? Duh!
How about the thousands of rape victims at Katrina? It was all over the news. When the smoke cleared turns out there wasn't one report.
The majority of this stuff is for political purposes, not to actually help real victims or real abusers. It's power and control by means of fear. Sex crimes is just the new toy.
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These crimes do happen. Always watch who babysits your children. But, society should demand that the research methods done by certain groups be made availible to the public. Such as the recent one done by Amnesty International. | |
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Posted: 11/22/2005 8:43:10 PM | | Yes you will find that almost all have been victimized as a child, but for those who haven't or maybe they have and they just don't tell, how can we understand them? And I'm just not talking about pedophiles, i'm talking about sexual offenders too. | |
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Posted: 11/22/2005 8:46:52 PM | | There will be some sexual offenders that don't give up answers. But if even half do then it would be a basis for making some fairly educated guesses on the motives behind the crimes. It would be a start. Right now all we do is sit and rage which has not accomplished much. | |
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Posted: 11/22/2005 8:50:32 PM |
So yes, though these horrible crimes happen, I also hope none of you are on the wrong end of this type of justice you mention, where 'Witch Hunts' are the norm fueled by a Media Frenzy thats real goal is to gain advertising dollars rather than dispense real justice.
Duh! *Progress*? After reading this thread I can see that the Salem witch hunt mentality doesn't breed itself out of society, it just finds something else to hunt. It's so easy to condemn a peodofile or a rapist, why even bother having trials or really understanding the situation?
And for the person who said it's about power? Wrong, it's about power for those feminist nitmiks who use it for power. Ie 'The Personal is the Political'. The rapist themselves male or female (accept never female when a feminist speaks) may actually be about sex. But for the feminist/political smut it's always about power, power for them, as it is part of their leveraging tactics and anti-marriage/marxist concepts. I respect your opinion but i don't buy into the theory that because someone was traumatised as a child that automatically excludes them from punishment as a pedophile or rapist. They stalk and prey on there victims knowing full well what they are doing is wrong. Is that any different then a person being poor all his life and blaming the reason he robbed a bank on his poor upbringing..no it's not. Why were at it let's give everybody a excuse to get away with any crime i'm sure they can come up with a reason. Plenty of people have been raped and molested and gone on to be pillars of the community some without seeking any help for being victimised. Rapists and pedophiles know what they are doing is wrong are they would'nt go to such great lengths to hide what they are doing.I'm sorry but my compassion stops with the victims. | |
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| What Is An Appropriate Punishment For Rapists And Child Molestors
Posted: 11/22/2005 9:07:39 PM |
I respect your opinion but i don't buy into the theory that because someone was traumatised as a child that automatically excludes them from punishment as a pedophile or rapist. They stalk and prey on there victims knowing full well what they are doing is wrong. Is that any different then a person being poor all his life and blaming the reason he robbed a bank on his poor upbringing..no it's not. Why were at it let's give everybody a excuse to get away with any crime i'm sure they can come up with a reason. Plenty of people have been raped and molested and gone on to be pillars of the community some without seeking any help for being victimised. Rapists and pedophiles know what they are doing is wrong are they would'nt go to such great lengths to hide what they are doing.I'm sorry but my compassion stops with the victims.
I respect your opinion also. But take a look at the black communities in America. They were deliberatly weakened by a racist government who claimed to be helping them. The blacks had their families disfunctionalized intentionally by social engineers who knew that fatherless homes create 75% of societies criminals. (Or at least that's what statistics of inmate populations tell us).
I am a victim, but also not a victimizer (and also hope to reach great hieghts).
If as you say your compassion stops with the victims, aren't we saying that the abusers are also victims? Anyways, I'm not talking about a free pass here. But, reading some of these posts I find it intersting that the sexual perversions such as raming someone's a** for 2 years be the punishment. Seems like some of the people here perhaps are perverts themselves.
Years ago the RCMP made a statement that 90% of accusations of child abuse were false. Other researchers claimed that over 60% of the accusations of rape were false. The FBI even backs that number up by stating that about 60% of the reports they get could not have possibly taken place.
What I'm suggesting is that we take out the witch hunt mentality for clear and concise discusion free from PC censorship, so that society can deal with it properly.
If our 'Rehibilitation' centers are sending out criminals only to recindivism than obviously something is wrong with our rehibilitation centers. My personal belief is that the rehibilitation centers aren't actually helping society, but in reality psychologically gearing inmates to commit more crime to futher generate the justice system which has by now turned into a CASH COW INDUSTRY.
My uncle went into 'reform school' for minor charges and came out a totally f**ked up peice of sh*t individual who was bent on total destruction and selfish desires, loaded with more sicknesses than I can explain here. There is no doubt in my mind he was manufactured by these people to be that way. | |
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Posted: 11/22/2005 9:34:49 PM | I was raped/molested as a child on three different occassions. All by people who I trusted. A Christian camp counsellor, a family member, and a friend. I did initially long for death, but with time I chose to instead learn all I can in order to prevent this from happening to another person. If I can keep one person from experiencing it I will have considered my own pain more than worthwhile.
Edit - Moving on now. I have read all of this thread and the other one. And I stand by my opinion. Knowledge is the key to protecting our children (and ourselves) from sexual predators NOT rage or revenge. | |
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