| Gas Price increase. What do you think? Posted: 6/1/2008 8:45:33 AM |
What I think is that we trade int he gas hogs and drive more efficient cars if fossil fuels are the way to go. How about using mass transit so again we become efficient. As for gas prices becoing more reasonable the trend indicates anything but reasonable gas prices. I hope you have a large parking lot for the SUVs you are buying up.
I spend about $300 a month on gas, $105ish a month on insurance, and, because of gas prices, the trade-in value of my vehicle has sunk like a rock, but I have a very reasonable payment with less than a year to go to pay on it.
If I traded my pig in on a 3-or-so-year-old car (let's say a 2005 Nissan Sentra SE-R..has to be something zippy) it would get about 25 mpg average, which would save me about $100 a month on gas, my monthly payment would be higher, and insurance would be $150 a month.
For some people (like me), it doesn't make financial sense to trade in their gas hogs, and right now it's probably cheaper for most people to keep them because MOST are upside-down in their financing and would be making exorbitant monthly payments. | |
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| Gas Price increase. What do you think? Posted: 6/1/2008 2:11:47 PM | For some people (like me), it doesn't make financial sense to trade in their gas hogs, and right now it's probably cheaper for most people to keep them because MOST are upside-down in their financing and would be making exorbitant monthly payments.
Ditto, I've only driven about 3K since mid October, as the prices go up that number will fall... as now it's not even worth shopping for gas anymore, the few cents I'd save will be burned up tenfold. It wouldn't be worth it for me to buy new, other than the fact now repairs on these aging vehicles are going up, & they are not aging gracefully. I still need a smaller van to do some pickups as I don't know anyone with a pickup, & renting one costs a small fortune. In my case , not driving my vehicles is also hard on them too. I've never owned a brand new vehicle, I was always a fan of a 2-3 year old car, though even now those have skyrocketed in price.
I was actually getting mid-upper 20's (even low 30's) on a '87 Chrysler (E Class) New Yorker about a few years back, that car was destroyed by an inattentive cell chatter. | |
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| Gas Price increase. What do you think? Posted: 6/8/2008 7:32:18 PM | Yeah, right. Lifted Jeeps get crap-ass gas mileage...no matter what. I drive like an idiot, and a buddy of mine has an identical Jeep to mine...same amount of lift, same size tires. He makes my Grandma look like Dale Earnhardt, and we average about the same fuel economy.
DesertFox, my last 5.0L Thunderbird...V8, power everything, got 22 city/30 highway stock, and about 18 city/27-28 highway with the cam, exhaust, gears and other goodies. V8s are definitely underappreciated for fuel economy they can deliver. with 93-02 Camaros/Firebirds and '92+ Corvettes, 30 mpg highway is not uncommon. | |
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| Gas Price increase. What do you think? Posted: 6/9/2008 2:30:58 PM | with 93-02 Camaros/Firebirds and '92+ Corvettes, 30 mpg highway is not uncommon. I can only pull 22-27 on the highway, likely slightly under 20 in the city.
DesertFox, my last 5.0L Thunderbird...V8, power everything, got 22 city/30 highway stock, and about 18 city/27-28 highway I never took a measurement on my former '78 with the 351, though, it seemed like I was pulling 10-12.
I used to convert the older GM full sizes over to leaded gas years ago, they actually burned cleaner after the cat removal, plus would warrant about an extra 5 mpg overall. I think I was able form memory to get upper 20's on the highway.
The Chrysler I refered to earlier was a 2.2, but very respectable for it's size, plus it was easy to work on. | |
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| Gas Price increase. What do you think? Posted: 6/9/2008 3:19:40 PM | | Honesty answer the following questions. How often do you speed? Slow down, and safe fuel, make a difference. How many people drive without planning the most efficient way to travel? Plan and safe fuel. We may feel we are entiled to cheap fuel. We are not. Consider as we struggle to pay for fuel people in developing countires are fighting for food due to the oil prices. Lets do our part! | |
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| Gas Price increase. What do you think? Posted: 6/9/2008 6:45:36 PM | I spoke with a friend in England last week, and she figured the cost of gasoline there in dollars as $11.00 per gallon. We've had it very good here for a long time.
One thing that the Middle Eastern oil barons are not figuring on is the ingenuity of the American people. Every time this country has been hit with a crisis such as this, it has prodded us to rise up to meet it. If they keep this up, somebody is going to come up with a way to burn water to run cars (and it has already been done) or another way around using gasoline. How stupid is it to run your customers off with high prices? What always results when that happens? People say "shove it" and the sellers are left high and dry with their precious commodity. They might even have to sell 10 or 20 of their Bentleys and liquidate their mansions in order to make ends meet like they are causing to happen here, only on a smaller scale.
And just how is it that the American oil companies are recording billions of dollars in profits while people are going bankrupt buying their gas? Are they deliberately trying to break the economy?
I believe the conspiracy theorists may have a point. Oftentimes, governments have changed the course of human history by creating a problem in order to push people into a specific reaction so as to implement a certain solution. We are being pushed toward an unknown destination. | |
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| Gas Price increase. What do you think? Posted: 6/9/2008 10:15:33 PM | | I am currently in the process of researching using water, more exact the hydrogen in the water, to make my vehicles more fuel efficient. I just got a copy of plans for it and intend on starting to manufacture the apparatus tomorrow. Wooo Hooooo trip to home depot and the auto parts store what a day I have planned. | |
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| Gas Price increase. What do you think? Posted: 6/10/2008 6:28:23 AM | One thing that the Middle Eastern oil barons are not figuring on is the ingenuity of the American people. Every time this country has been hit with a crisis such as this, it has prodded us to rise up to meet it. Really, & why didn't we "rise up" in the mid 70's?
You haven't been listening, anyone that comes up with a solution will be paid off to keep quiet or shot! & yes the Government is in on this, so keep living in your dream world dear! : )
And just how is it that the American oil companies are recording billions of dollars in profits while people are going bankrupt buying their gas? Are they deliberately trying to break the economy?
By 'George', I think you've got it!! (& earning tax breaks from our goverment along the way too!)
Honesty answer the following questions. How often do you speed?
How can you with the horrible condition of the roads & traffic around here? Gas is burned up sitting at lights & road construction. | |
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| Gas Price increase. What do you think? Posted: 6/10/2008 9:42:52 AM | DF, I remember the gas crisis of the 70's, and sitting in line at the gas station to buy gas. Unfortunately, at that time, not much emphasis was placed upon the environment or running out of the supply of oil like it is today, as I remember. People are much more energized these days to come up with a solution. I personally know of a man who is working on an alternative fuel. A college in Ohio has just opened an alternative fuel research center. The government may attempt to suppress this again, but there is such forward movement that I don't think they'll be able to.
Somebody at work today was talking about how 30 years ago, somebody had developed something involving water that increased their gas mileage. I remember my dad saying that during WWII, they were doing something with water. Another guy here was saying he has purchased something that attaches to the car which draws something out of water and increases gas mileage by about 11 miles per gallon. | |
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| Gas Price increase. What do you think? Posted: 6/10/2008 11:46:09 AM | Listening to PR radio on my drive to work the other day it was addressed that the actual supply and demand for Crude is sitting at $ 60.00 a barrel. The actual driving force behind the increase to more than double that is speculation from investors not directly involved in any way with the production of crude. And mainly Americans and the Japanese are doing it. The stock market is make believe if you think about it. People saying well this is worth this and this is worth this and so the prices go. The stock market .... it's a daily garage sale. Try to haggle .... and see if you can find a bargain. As for me? I'm keeping my pennies in a tin can buried in my back yard. | |
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| Gas Price increase. What do you think? Posted: 6/10/2008 2:43:49 PM | | Listened to the same story on NPR. Today the numbers were revised, yet the bottom line is the price of oil appears to be artifically high at this time. Again we need to keep in mind who is causing this price spike. How many True Blue Americans are inflating the price for their profit? Can't say. But it is greed and greed alone. One day greed will take its toll . | |
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| Gas Price increase. What do you think? Posted: 6/10/2008 4:06:19 PM | Anyone want to make a wager that we will see manufacturing jobs return to this country due to the price of fuel? When it costs more to make and ship from China than to make it here will be the tipping point. This bet will take 10 years or so to collect, but that day is coming. | |
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| Gas Price increase. What do you think? Posted: 6/10/2008 5:16:03 PM | | There is a chance that high fuel costs will effect manufacturing in far flung places like China as shipping costs rise resulting in the return of manufacturing jobs to the United States. Remember everything has a price. For example high shipping costs will also effect the shipping of raw materials that go into products we manufature here. If we pay more for raw resources we may still struggle to complete globally. The high cost of shipping manufactured goods also means the United States will not be as competive exporting our goods internationally as well. | |
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| Gas Price increase. What do you think? Posted: 6/10/2008 6:31:55 PM | I work in finance and get this question quite often. The price of oil is simple supply and demand with a valuation of the dollar thrown in. If the dollar was what is was worth in 2000, then oil would be at $75 a barrel.
What has thrown us into this mess is the growth of emerging nations such as China and India. India just stopped subsidzing gas prices and have literally had riots. China is still heavily subsidizing to gain market share into the world economy...thank you Wal Mart!
As the Fed raises interest rates, we might see a pull back in oil prices and gas prices...but I doubt we see $3 a gallon again. What we need to do as a nation is dump the low gas mileage cars as our everyday vehicles. We need to find alternative energy sources for electricty...such as solar, wind and even nuclear...even far more conservative France has embraced this. We all can pitch in and do our part. If I can give any advice now...buy gas in the middle of the week and late at night/early in the morning when gas is more condensed...you get a little more for your money. | |
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| Gas Price increase. What do you think? Posted: 6/10/2008 6:43:44 PM | Unfortunately, at that time, not much emphasis was placed upon the environment or running out of the supply of oil like it is today,
The writing was on the wall then, were they that stupid?? No, this all was part of the ultimate money making scheme.
The actual driving force behind the increase to more than double that is speculation from investors not directly involved in any way with the production of crude. And mainly Americans and the Japanese are doing it. The stock market is make believe if you think about it.
How much do YOU want to make this week?? Set your goals & DO IT!... just like they are. | |
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| Gas Price increase. What do you think? Posted: 6/10/2008 7:17:52 PM | The notion of gas being more condensed is a myth. You sounded like you might know what you were talking about right until you made that point.
Otherwise I agree that there are many factors causing the price of oil to skyrocket including supply and demand, speculation, the declining value of the dollar, political upheaval and so on.
Where did you get the info on the gas condensing? Reason I ask is the most disturbing aspect of the recent oil price increases has to do with the rumors and myths that are driving the debate of what has happened and what can be done.
Perhaps the debate has taken on the position of exploring secondary issues as the real issue, high oil prices is an issue with no solutions in sight. | |
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| Gas Price increase. What do you think? Posted: 6/10/2008 7:39:44 PM |
MADRID (AFP) - Two lorry drivers were killed on picket lines in Spain and Portugal on Tuesday as strikes by thousands of truckers over soaring fuel prices turned deadly.
Spanish police escorted petrol supply tankers into Barcelona on the second day of the stoppage that has caused food and fuel shortages and huge tailbacks on the Spanish-French border.
French railway workers began their own walkout, increasing the transport chaos.
A Portuguese driver was killed after he was hit by a truck as he manned a barricade filtering traffic near Alcanena, north of Lisbon.
A police spokesman quoted witnesses as saying the 52-year-old man climbed onto the side of a truck in a bid to stop it and fell off under the wheels, Lusa news agency reported.
Later Tuesday, a truck driver in Spain was run over and killed by a van as he manned a picket line outside a wholesale market in the southern city of Granada, police said.
Road haulage representatives suspended strike negotiations with the Spanish government following the incident.
Other trucks in Portugal and Spain have been stoned or had their windows smashed and tyres punctured for working during the national strikes.
A total of 15 people, most of them manning picket lines, were arrested in Spain Tuesday for disturbing public order, assault or threats, Spanish media said.
Tens of thousands of truckers are on strike or joining the protests to demand government help to offset the higher fuel costs.
Authorities in northern Spain ordered emergency measures after many petrol stations in the Catalonia region ran out of fuel.
"Twenty tanker trucks escorted by the regional police left an industrial zone this morning for Barcelona port to help supply and distribute to petrol stations in the region," a regional police spokesman told AFP.
Forty percent of petrol stations in Catalonia have run out of fuel, according to Manuel Amado, president of the Catalonia Federation of Service Stations.
Arrivals of fresh meat, fish and fruit in Madrid have come to a near halt, according to officials at the Mercamadrid market, Spain's biggest wholesale market. They said that fish would be in short supply from Thursday but stocks of other foods should last until the end of the week.
Automakers in Spain said most of the country's automobile plants, including those of Nissan, Mercedes Benz, Seat and Renault, have had to cut or halt production.
Auto plants are particularly vulnerable to a strike by hauliers, which provide them with spare parts.
Truckers stopped lorries from crossing the French-Spanish border and caused major tailbacks around major Spanish cities, including Madrid, Barcelona and Valencia.
Spanish and French truckers staged pickets on either side of the frontier between the two countries. They blocked a bridge on the border at Bidassoa in the western Basque region and other main crossing points.
On the French side, service areas on motorways were packed with trucks from the border right back to Bordeaux, about 200 kilometres (125 miles) away.
Spain's second largest hauliers' union Fenadismer, which claims to represent 70,000 out of Spain's 380,000 truck drivers, launched an open-ended strike on Monday.
Talks Monday between the hauliers and the government ended in failure, Fenadismer said.
The Portuguese government said it hoped to have an agreement with its truckers by the end of the week.
A separate strike by workers at the French rail company, SNCF, severely hit rail traffic.
About half of intercity and local commuter trains were running along with about three quarters of TGV high speed trains from Paris to southwest France. Some express commuter lines into Paris were badly affected by the strike.
Spanish fisherman were keeping up their strike against fuel prices but most French trawlers have decided to go back to work after several weeks of blocking ports and access to oil refineries.
by Olivier Thibault Tue Jun 10, 4:49 PM ET
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080610/ts_afp/europeinflationprotestenergytransport | |
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| Gas Price increase. What do you think? Posted: 6/10/2008 7:41:31 PM | Hey Climbs, ever take physics?
http://www.users.qwest.net/~taaaz/AZgas.html#SOME%20NUMBERS%20TO%20THINK%20ABOUT
This may help you out. | |
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| Gas Price increase. What do you think? Posted: 6/10/2008 8:13:40 PM | | This was debated last night. The difference is so minimal as to make no difference. Interesting web site. Question is whether or not all of it is accurate ? This issue was also discussed on NPR on Science Friday recently. The experts they spoke to also said the difference is so minimal that it is not worth thinking about. | |
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| Gas Price increase. What do you think? Posted: 6/10/2008 9:18:38 PM | The difference may be small at each fill, but that adds up over time. I personally wont fill up if the fuel truck is at a station. When they dump the gas in, it stirs the water and dirt up, and you pump that crap into your tank. | |
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| Gas Price increase. What do you think? Posted: 6/11/2008 5:58:13 AM | | Hate to say it, but that crap as you call it never reaches your engine because every car has a strainer in the fuel tank and then a fuel filter to make sure it doesnt. | |
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| Gas Price increase. What do you think? Posted: 6/11/2008 9:23:00 AM |
I personally wont fill up if the fuel truck is at a station. When they dump the gas in, it stirs the water and dirt up, and you pump that crap into your tank.
Actually very true. | |
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| Gas Price increase. What do you think? Posted: 6/11/2008 2:36:49 PM | | The car talk show has discussed dirty gas. In the opinion of the car talk guys the dirty gas from the storage tanks is myth. They discussed the storage tanks which are virtually all lined with non corrodable materials to prevent the tanks from getting dirty. Fruthermore the gasoline products that go into the tanks are refined, thus you won't find dirt in the gas to begin with. Once America was the home of the brave. Today America is the home of the myth. | |
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| Gas Price increase. What do you think? Posted: 6/11/2008 2:42:38 PM | | Ever stick a tank? I have, to check levels of fuel and moisture. Wonder how many of those "experts spend time looking at the hoses on the side of the tanker getting dirt and water in them as they go down the road. Yep, experts beat personal experience every time. I believe what I see, not what some expert says on the radio. | |
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