| Are big SUV dying their last gasp?
Posted: 5/21/2008 2:48:56 PM | | i do understand the concept of supply and demand...suv reperesent .0001% of the problem,people complained about them when gas prices were not an issue...Europe as a model...no thatnks | |
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| Are big SUV dying their last gasp?
Posted: 5/21/2008 2:51:41 PM | | Hawaii.... control freaks never look at themselves,it's always somebody else and what they do that's creating the problem...they also nvere consider the fact that they might be subject to control as well. | |
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| Are big SUV dying their last gasp?
Posted: 5/21/2008 2:52:14 PM | Amazing that people "need" an SUV, a boat, maybe a 5th wheel or motor home to go "camping."
My pup tent, sleeping bag, fishing pole and my other "camp gear" fits in the trunk of my Buick with lots of room for extra food and clothing.
If I can't drive to the campsite, I practice this ancient ritual called "hiking," carrying my gear in a device called a "back pack." It does require a decent pack and pair of well-fitting "hiking boots," but I understand they sell them just about anywhere these days.
It used to be enjoyable in the days before the idiots invaded with their SUVs, dirt bikes and ATVs, blasting that crappy "rap music" and scaring the wildlife. I hardly bother to go any more. | |
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| Are big SUV dying their last gasp?
Posted: 5/21/2008 3:16:41 PM | Camping without a Pop-Out trailer, Quiet Diesel Gen set, Plasma TV and
Satellite? How?
I feel quite sorry for the proliferation of RV establishments that have
sprung up and expanded as of late, with the RV CRAZE.
They will be hurtin, Real Bad! | |
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| Are big SUV dying their last gasp?
Posted: 5/21/2008 3:47:21 PM |
Amazing that people "need" an SUV, a boat, maybe a 5th wheel or motor home to go "camping."
Yes, I need a boat. When you do all types of fishing and you live in California....yes, you need a boat. As far as camping....I use a tent too. I also take my own water. Very rarely do I camp in campgrounds. In the national forests you can make your own, as long as you clean up after yourself and you don't drive your truck or SUV off the trail.
Why do I need a boat? In the man made lakes of California the surface temp in September can be as high as 98 degrees. Not many fish are caught from the shore when it gets that hot. You need a boat with a down rigor. I also fly fish in the high mountain streams. However, late in the summer there isn't much water in the streams. And I live at least 4 hours away from the mountain streams. So, it makes a LOT more sense to drive 55 miles to the lake in my truck.....or SUV. Even in an SUV you use up less gas driving 55 miles than you would driving 250 miles in a smaller car. Also......in those higher elevations, I still have a LOT more power in my engine than a little 4 banger would. They might be fine for the people that live up there. They are tuned for that elevation. But when you live at 100 feet elevation and your car is tuned for that elevation........it dosen't run very well at 6000 feet. This is where it's nice to have a bigger engine. You can adjust the air/fuel mixture in a plane while you gain altitude. But you can't in a car.
I also do a LOT of hiking. And it is a whole lot eaiser when there are four of you if you take one SUV to the trailhead. You put your packs in the back, the four of you get in and off you go. In a smaller car........well, you would need two cars to do what one SUV does.
You know......what many of you may not know, is that MANY SUV owners had the smaller cars first. I did. Like I said......they won't work for what we need.
But I do agree with your last statement. There are a lot of idiots blasting music and all that stuff. But a lot of those guys got there in smaller cars. You can't blame that on the SUV crowd. | |
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| Are big SUV dying their last gasp?
Posted: 5/21/2008 4:25:02 PM | | so you guys are saying my 5500+lbs 1976 lincoln contenental with a 460 (7.5 liters) four barrel and 3 speed tranny is not fuel efficient? I'll have to contemplate this thread next time I romp on it and literally watch the gas guage move,lol. The gas tank got smashed off on a bump one day and I had to use a jerry can to get me home... I floored it for 6 miles and almost the whole 5 galon jerry can was gone by the time I got home | |
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| Are big SUV dying their last gasp?
Posted: 5/21/2008 4:28:35 PM | | I just simply have to agree with everything ceeceekitty (msg. 82) has to say. I have a 1995 Dodge Ram and a 2000 Expedition, I'm not a car person. Part of the reason besides comfort in the Expedition driving back home to Wi is it's size. Being short I am able to see more than I can in a car. Such as when I pull out of a parking lot that has planted shubbery at the entrance and I can't see shit if I'm driving a car. Everyone has a need for a truck if they don't have one you can bet they have a friend that has one that they call on. | |
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| Are big SUV dying their last gasp?
Posted: 5/21/2008 4:53:28 PM |
I really hope the fuel crisis in American brings an end to huge SUVs. Meeting a gentleman years ago who owned a Escalade or Explorer--I don't know, some beast with a running board to launch into it--I stated, "this thing is just a penis extension". "Yes, it is", he said.
Honestly, why would you care what another person drives? If they can afford the gas and they wish to drive a SUV, or any other type of vehicle then who cares. Now with that said, I do feel that the more cash prices climb, the less people will drive those kinds of vehicles, but if someone can afford it and chooses to drive them even if gas reaches 6 or 7 + dollars a gallon then that is up to them. | |
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| Are big SUV dying their last gasp?
Posted: 5/21/2008 5:10:37 PM |
so you guys are saying my 5500+lbs 1976 lincoln contenental with a 460 (7.5 liters) four barrel and 3 speed tranny is not fuel efficient? Oh, that brings back memories. My 1976 Town Car had the 460, the 3 speed AT, got 13.5 mpg no matter where or how I drove it...
Green on green on green, a living room/party room on wheels, handled like a sports car.
Got it cheap because the couple that owned it were looking at something smaller ('80-'81, double digit inflation).
Replaced the 460 with a 429 and bumped mileage up to 15.
I like those old dinosaurs, but couldn't justify driving one today. | |
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| Are big SUV dying their last gasp?
Posted: 5/21/2008 5:28:40 PM |
Alrighty then. So you must be all in favor of the government tracking your odometer mileage, evaluating how much of a "problem" you are, and taxing you on the conclusions that they find about you because it's the total amount of consumption that we're talking about and where all this is leading to.
Are you Miss Cleo, psychic extraordinaire? If so, quit your day job. :-)
What I'm for, first and foremost, is conservaiton. The way we have lived life here in NA is coming to a screeching halt. Oil is finite, and some say that we have already reached peak oil. We will never, ever, go back to the good old days of cheap gas. Perhaps even in another 10, 15 or 20 years, only the rich might be able to afford gas. So I do my part to conserve. I walk, bike, own a house that's central, carry my own shopping bags (yes, those plastic bags are made from oil!). While I do this, I hope that everyone else pitches in and does their part, too. That way, we can bide more time to come up with alternative fuel solutions. Many experts believe that we are 25-50 years away from a viable solution.
All that to say, Hawaii, that our governments need to beef up R&D. That's the intervention that I'd want.
I have a 1995 Dodge Ram and a 2000 Expedition, I'm not a car person. Part of the reason besides comfort in the Expedition driving back home to Wi is it's size. Being short I am able to see more than I can in a car.
Trade it in for a fuel efficient car and get a booster seat.
I know it sounds harsh, but I have zero sympathy. Because of your gas-guzzling ways, I pay more at the pumps... it's as simple as that. Take a look at how much the oil the US consumes on a daily basis compared to the rest of the world. It's STAGGERING.
Honestly, why would you care what another person drives? If they can afford the gas and they wish to drive a SUV, or any other type of vehicle then who cares. Now with that said, I do feel that the more cash prices climb, the less people will drive those kinds of vehicles, but if someone can afford it and chooses to drive them even if gas reaches 6 or 7 + dollars a gallon then that is up to them.
Yes, people have a choice. But with choice, comes consequences. If guy A decides to buy a gas-guzzling car, live in the burbs and drive it to the corner store, he uses more that guy B who has a fuel efficient car, lives in the city, and walks or bikes when he can.
Because there are a lot of guy A's, the demand for fuel rises. And with higher demand, come higher prices. So because of guy A, guy B pays more at the pump.
And who ever said I sucked at math! | |
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| Are big SUV dying their last gasp?
Posted: 5/21/2008 6:02:31 PM | Hawaii--
the "extension" reference was a joke. The man in questions was not a contractor but into sales. He certainly didn't need the Escalade for work. And he admitted that his purchase was just an ego thing . . . ...
Rosesforyou--
Why would I care? Like most people--since the things were invented --we can't see the road around these vehicles, the drivers are frequently obnoxious and overbearing, (NE drivers are usually very rude, anyway), and most of all, IT'S JUST A WASTE AND TOTAL GLUTONOUS CONSUMERISM. Now, we all suffer as more than anything the stock market speculators are driving, driving, driving, the price of gas up everyday.
Currently, it's just like the housing bubble. | |
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| Are big SUV dying their last gasp?
Posted: 5/21/2008 6:20:44 PM | | All you little control freaks and do gooders and crusaders out there who toss and turn in your bed at night over what others do and drive need to chill out...those of us who can afford to do what we want,drive what we want and pay for it with our own money will continue to do so..ain't a damn thing you can do about it. | |
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| Are big SUV dying their last gasp?
Posted: 5/21/2008 6:53:00 PM | You're right.
All the info is out there to see, yet some close their eyes. Not sure why people refuse to see the writing on the wall, but what can you do?
No worries, TRIUMVIRAT. Keep doing what you're doing until you can not longer do what you're doing. Nobody will force you... you will not have a choice. | |
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| Are big SUV dying their last gasp?
Posted: 5/21/2008 6:57:12 PM | Trade it in for a fuel efficient car? You must be crazy, I also said I was not a car person. Mine are paid for why would I want something else.
A booster seat? You must know nothing about them. At a little less than 5 foot my head would still come above the top of it. That would then be dangerous if I was hit. But of course driving a bigger gas hog truck I'm safer than in a car. Also safer in the Expedition but it's not a gas hog.
I drive less than 10 miles to take my son to school and go to work everyday. Stop on my way home at the store which is on the way to and from work. Make no extra trips for anything forgotten. It's not me and my gas guzzling ways that you're paying more at the pumps. I use less than 10 gallons a gas a week including weekends. | |
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| Are big SUV dying their last gasp?
Posted: 5/21/2008 7:58:37 PM |
You're right.
All the info is out there to see, yet some close their eyes. Not sure why people refuse to see the writing on the wall, but what can you do?
Oh, I'm with you Chicklet on the fact that things are going to get a whole lot worse. If people think this nation is in bad shape now, as I said in another thread, those third world countries are going to be the USA in a matter of time. I see the writing on the wall, but here is my thoughts. Let's say there was a ban on people driving those large SUVs and people all drove more economy vehicles. It's really like putting a band aid on a wound that is way beyond what that would ever solve. That’s why I say, it really don't matter what someone chooses to drive, and I agree with you, the time will come where everything is going to collapse and there will be no choice when there is no economy left and the dollar means nothing because we are headed to a cashless society in just a matter of time. | |
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| Are big SUV dying their last gasp?
Posted: 5/21/2008 8:56:21 PM |
Rosesforyou--
Why would I care? Like most people--since the things were invented --we can't see the road around these vehicles, the drivers are frequently obnoxious and overbearing, (NE drivers are usually very rude, anyway), and most of all, IT'S JUST A WASTE AND TOTAL GLUTONOUS CONSUMERISM. Now, we all suffer as more than anything the stock market speculators are driving, driving, driving, the price of gas up everyday.
There will always be vehicles that are larger then what one person happens to drive on the road unless your the person in the big 18 wheeler.
 The SUVs are large yes, can drivers be rude, yes. Rude drivers come in all vehicles though, even the ones in a small VW Beetle. <--- Yes it's true I have seen them on the road and they are just as rude as those in the SUVs. It’s all about the attitude of the driver, not what they drive. As to just the size of whatever vehicle you or anyone happens to be behind, if they are driving something larger then you, just stay back and don't get on there bumper which is what I see a lot of on the road. If drivers gave each other a bit more space, everyone could see fine on the road and have plenty of time to stop if they need to and cause less accidents. | |
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| Are big SUV dying their last gasp?
Posted: 5/22/2008 12:20:07 AM | Hawaii--
the "extension" reference was a joke.
I know. As was mine. I have a droll sense of humor. You sound inteligent and probably know what droll means. I had to look it up. (more drollness, drollity?)
Signing off,
Miss Cleo | |
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| Are big SUV dying their last gasp?
Posted: 5/22/2008 3:20:09 AM | | Ottwa,driving SUV''s is not what will bring America down,our country is being sold out from under us,the rest of the world,places like China and Russia are building,driving,bulldozing,manufacturing like a bat out of hell...only we are foolish enough to give up these things,only we are foolish enough to fall for the global warming crap and the mother earth B.S,only we are foolish enough to send our jobs overseas and allow other countries to dump their low skilled, semi literate surplus population on us to give free health care and food stamps to...America's going down because America has become too stupi to survive. | |
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| Are big SUV dying their last gasp?
Posted: 5/22/2008 5:25:58 AM | What we pay for in a gallon of gas:
Taxes 13%
Distribution and marketing 11%
Refining 8%
Crude Oil 68%
Gas at $4/gallon:
Taxes $0.52
Distribution and marketing $0.44
Refining $0.32
Crude Oil $2.72
I want to see all those SUVs out there dragging a big boat or a 30' travel trailer going at least 80 mph, be sure to stop often for "rest breaks." Mash down on the gas pedal this summer, so we can see $6 gas next year... | |
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| Are big SUV dying their last gasp?
Posted: 5/22/2008 8:55:19 AM | | bassman...Being an outdoor enthusiast doesnt neccessarily require that one be a hunter....Most Europeans dont need to kill animals in order to be considered an "outdoorsperson"....I love the outdoors but I dont hunt...I have gone fishing, as do many Europeans......My father shared a Suburban with two other men when he went hunting...He didnt toodle around with it alone wasting gas nor did he use it for every day use.....Americans being spoiled, ignorant and selfish will result in polluted waters and lands and prairies and forests and gas they can no longer afford to even get to those places.....Americans rarely use SUVS for deep woods huntng and fishing and carrying gear...Most buy SUVs for status and power trips......The irony being is that their ignorant and immature ways will force them to live the lifestyle of Europeans sooner or later....Americans arent above and beyond the lessons of ecology... | |
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| Are big SUV dying their last gasp?
Posted: 5/22/2008 9:10:17 AM | Let the hummers die and then the Escalades.
We had a honda civic. Every single time my wife pulled up to the corner to make a left hand turn, some Lexus Rx or hummer or escalade or whatever pulled up to her right.
Consequently she had no vision of oncoming traffic to her right. Yup she could have waited 20 minutes, but we decided to buy her a CRV instead. Heck...I feared for my life everytime I got behind the wheel of the civic. When people start downsizing then we'll see about revisiting a smaller car, but until then I'm keeping the CRV. | |
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| Are big SUV dying their last gasp?
Posted: 5/22/2008 9:55:59 AM | I can't wait for gas to hit 10 bucks a gallon. It'll be rough for a bit, then it'll stimulate local economies to resume production of necessary goods. Quality products + local jobs!
'Luxury' will go back to meaning luxury, not "what I should go into debt for to appear Wealthy"
I'll continue to bicycle to work, take the motorcycle on dates & drive the Jeep to the beach on weekends. Best of all worlds! | |
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| Are big SUV dying their last gasp?
Posted: 5/22/2008 2:36:53 PM | | Everyone should be required to have a motorcycle and only be able to buy anything with four wheels or more upon proper training and application to the government. The vetting process could take anywhere from five to ten years so when approval is granted another round of vetting is needed to be sure that the applicant still has a need for it. It should make life for us motorcyclists much safer to get the Brain Dead Cagers off the roads. | |
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| Are big SUV dying their last gasp?
Posted: 5/22/2008 3:32:47 PM | | ever been to asia? the scooters and motorcycles are more dangerous than cars there. i did learn however a few years ago that bush isnt responsible for the gas prices due to OPEC being granted monetary freedoms by the UN s why is it that 2 staions across the street have prices set different 3.87 at 1 and 3.89 at the other while station C has it at 3.79 2 miles down the road? | |
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