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Posted: 5/10/2008 11:07:45 PM | I love animals. I had dog dogs for the longest time. Sam, my dog of almost 14 years, passed on a few months ago. It has been really hard on me and my other dog. Sam was a medium-large dog. He was white, black, gray and had some brown on him. He was beautiful and was a good, happy dog. He was abused prior to my getting him. He was a little over 15 when he passed away.
My other dog is a reddish brown purebreed Tabitian Spanial. He is 8 and is a handful. He does not listen no matter what and he is cranky, stubborn, and get in his ways. He is good with other animals though.
His breed is from Tibet. Monks used to breed them and give them as presents to villagers. They believed that they were recarniations(sp) of monks who passed on. They were treated as little Gods by the monks.
The breed only was admitted in the AKC in 1980 so they are a pretty newly recognized breed. | |
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Posted: 5/11/2008 12:04:01 AM | OP, I don't know much overall about the Preso Canario breed of dog, but from some of the snippets I've caught on our local news in the last few months, they seem to be becoming one of the "fashionable" breeds of dog to breed or own for whatever reason lately. Not in a bad way AT ALL about the breed itself, it just seems to be one of the "fashionable" dogs at the moment for people that perhaps want a 'big, tough dog' as a status symbol in some way, similar to how Pit Bulls were viewed in the past decade. I guess what I mean is, if you're not really familiar with the breed, then are you wanting to breed and sell pups as primarily as money-making venture, or are you concerned about maintaining the integrity of the breeding quality in any way, or who the prospective owners will be? Be it small or large dogs, I always find it a bit odd, whenever a breed suddenly becomes fashionable, for whatever reason.
For your other question, I've always had German Shepherds, and my last boy (and also my current boy) have been White Sheps...I love the breed.  They are also very high-maintenance dogs, especially where proper exercise and working their minds come into the equation. Same as your Presos, any large dog is going to need a LOT of exercise, and a large yard to spend their days in. My boy is 4 1/2 now, and still a total spazz, lol...be prepared for a LOT of play-time, and running a large dog's buns off, lol.  | |
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Posted: 5/11/2008 7:56:24 AM | They are the breed best known for killing Diane Whipple the teacher in the apartment hallway in San Fran in the early 90s. The people baby sitting the 2 dogs were sentences to jail time and showed no remorse.....ringing bells now??
Obviously the breed as a whole is not aggressive but do you want to breed alligators too? I have had those dropped on my doorstep and they are very expensive to transport to Florida and find a place to take them in after some family thought they would make a great pet. | |
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Posted: 5/11/2008 8:48:51 AM | One pet, only, a tabby. My brother says more than 2 cats makes you a Cat Lady. There are zillions of cats and dogs in the world, so making more of them is just easy money. You should try breeding domestic tabby cats. Every owner knows theirs is priceless! Cats are tricky. Getting a male tabby to drink free beer is easy, but getting the female to fall for his shoddy savoir fair takes experience. Good luck to you.
btw, Lot Lizard, my boy is neutered. :) | |
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Posted: 5/11/2008 8:58:51 AM | | I have a 10 year old black and tan coonhound mix that I found on the side of the road when she was about 7 weeks, and a year old pomchi. (Half pomeranian and half chihuahua.) Before I left my husband I was running a small cattery and breeding Manx cats. I also had a ferret that died last year, and I have an Arabian mare that my mom is taking care of along with her two horses. | |
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Posted: 5/11/2008 9:25:10 AM |
They are the breed best known for killing Diane Whipple the teacher in the apartment hallway in San Fran in the early 90s. The people baby sitting the 2 dogs were sentences to jail time and showed no remorse.....ringing bells now??
Obviously the breed as a whole is not aggressive but do you want to breed alligators too? I have had those dropped on my doorstep and they are very expensive to transport to Florida and find a place to take them in after some family thought they would make a great pet.
I'm glad you brought this up.
Actually as a breed they are known to be very aggressive because they were bred as cattle drovers and guard dogs. Later they turned into catch dogs, and after that they were used for fighting. They are basically like Rottweilers x10. Very dominant needing a firm but fair owner. They can be socialized and will be less likely to be wary of strangers, but generally speaking only bond to their 'pack'. I've met some that were level in temperment, but I don't know that I would trust them entirely especially in the hands of someone who really doesn't know the breed. I've met and talked to a couple of breeders GOOD breeders and they say they aren't for everyone and do take a lot of consistant training and socialization to become good dogs. | |
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Posted: 5/11/2008 9:48:44 AM | Thank You! I am the one the evaluates a dogs temperament and decides if the bite was provoked or if the dog is truely "aggressive" The wrong breed in the wrong hands ends up at my door and I am the one crying as that dog dies in my arms at the vets office. The poor dog did nothing wrong but born to ignorant backyard breeders and placed in the wrong environment. Here I go working on Sunday...killing...missed mothers day with my mom....might as well use the lords name in vain GOD DAMN IT!!
Mutts are really the healthiest and best dogs for families because there is NO inbreeding. | |
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Posted: 5/11/2008 10:02:58 AM | I recently lost my beloved Terry, who was a c0ckatiel that was white with faint yellow highlights. I know I'm bringing this thread down a bit with this, but his death has been extremely hard to deal with, even though he was just a bird. I'm a huge softie for birds of any kind, and having him for the 15 years that I did and all the joy and love that he brought to me, his passing hurt more than I could ever imagine...more so than any of the other birds I've had...RIP my little Terry (August 1992 - May 8, 2008). There is a picture of him on my profile page in case anyone was curious...
As I mentioned, I'm a bird guy, and I've grown up having numerous other birds besides Terry. I've had 3 other c0ckatiels before him named Jack, Tonto, and Tiffany, I've had a Pigeon (Taz) which my family rehabilitated, a pure white Dove (Tim) and down the line his "wife", which was a sandy dove with a black ring on her neck (had many babies which we raised), a couple of Robins we've rehabilitated, we raised a crow from a baby, and also a woodpecker named Tierra (have pics if you don't believe it). The woodpecker was definitely a really cool one to raise, and he released her to the wild back in 1994, and to this day, she still comes around the house, along with her descendants.
In addition to birds, I have a thing for bulldogs too. We had a pure bred Pit Bull named Brandy, and contrary to the bad rap that they get, she was one of the biggest sweethearts to ever roam the earth. She was a runt when she was born, and we received her as a gift from my aunt and uncle in Oklahoma, who was breeding them, and not once was there an instance where their Pit Bulls (or ours) ever attacked anyone or anything. She was well loved, and in turn loved everyone back, including all the birds we had.
Currently, I don't have any pets, and I don't plan on getting another one for awhile, since I'm still grieving Terry's passing, but once I move on, I'm going to look into possibly getting a larger parrot, like an African Grey or a c0ckatoo, and if that doesn't work out, I'll definitely get another c0ckatiel, because like a lot of other animals, they have their own unique personalities, are very affectionate and loving...as for another dog, I'd definitely go for another pit bull if they weren't banned here (Colorado), or an English Bulldog, even a Boxer.... | |
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Posted: 5/11/2008 10:41:09 AM | | Mutts and strays will give you just as much love as any purebred animal, maybe more if they can remember being locked up in a cage or living on the street. | |
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Posted: 5/11/2008 11:43:41 AM | This link has some great specimens of the perros de Presas,
http://www.sanderskennels.com/Presa_Male_Imports.htm
Yes, a female friend of mine was telling me about the case of the woman who was killed by a pair of these in San Francisco, the killer dog's name was BANE I believe. She had actually sent me a web link about the case , when I was describing the type of dogs my buddy and I were buying. However, from the the story of it that I read, Bane was originally kept in near isolation somewhere on some remote northern farm where he'd actually attacked and killed the peoples' livestock (sheep, etc, even a cow I think). They grew afraid of him, plain and simple, and kept him chained in some remote part of the farm. Then they sold him to some people who moved w/him to an apartment (!!) in San Francisco...... that's nearly like trying to keep a young tiger in your apartment in the city. That's why I can't keep Nero with me full-time; no room for him!!! My friend has huge yard space, etc, and furthermore has already been an experienced Rottweiler owner.
But Bane was actually owned by some kind of "white supremacist" prison gang leaders who were selling the ones they already had bred to some Mexican connections of theirs, on the outside, who wanted the Presa perros to guard their meth labs, drug houses, etc. The Mexican gang members would deliberately treat them bad, let them fight, keep them isolated, do the old-fashioned (probably myth) type of stuff like let them eat bloody meat mixed w/a little gun powder, etc, (supposedly makes them meaner but I don't see how).
Anyway, ours seem pretty good and obedient so far and are being treated like royalty, and like I said with us at least they aren't showing any crazy levels of aggression or anything. Perhaps we will be better off not attempting to breed them and instead just keep them for our own , or sell them. I'll remember what's been said here and discuss it with my friend ; we certainly don't want any being neglected, unwanted, sick , or worst of all having to be put down; the very thought of dogs or cats being put down = Msg 33 sorry for the loss of your bird..... any type of pet loss is a bad thing when we've grown close to them. It'll pass with time. I suggest getting another to take your mind off it. | |
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Posted: 5/11/2008 1:06:13 PM |
even though he was just a bird. .
He wasn't just a bird. They aren't JUST birds. You have 15 years with him, that's a long time to build a strong bond. Very sorry for your loss.
Anyway, ours seem pretty good and obedient so far and are being treated like royalty, and like I said with us at least they aren't showing any crazy levels of aggression or anything.
Just be aware that once they hit the 2-3 year old mark they'll start wanting to challenge you more. It could be something as simple as the dog jumping on the couch without permission. Bully breeds[and terriers!] tend to decide between the ages of 2 and 3 where they want to be in the pack, whether or not they'll be human or dog aggressive. If you haven't heard of it google NILIF it's 'Nothing in Life is Free" training, with things like making your dog wait for you to enter a doorway, making them sit and wait before you release them to eat their food, etc. This can help with dogs who are bull headed and that tend to be more dominant in mindset. | |
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Posted: 5/11/2008 9:26:44 PM | The list:
1. 1 dog, Marlowe (Dachshund/Corgi/Chihuahua?/who knows what else)
2. 2 cats (Iria, 9 year old longhair and Kit, 2 year old shorthair)
3. Weebl (C0ckatiel)
4. 2 Mini Horses (Laci and Tailer)
5. About 25 rabbits (breed and show those)
6. Assorted Fish
To the OP breeding Presas, please check out this link. I am all for responsible breeding, and this site discusses what exactly responsible breeding is: http://www.learntobreed.com/
I generally love the bully breeds, but Presas are way to intense for me. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 1:25:28 PM | I've got two cats. My roommates have three turtles and various amounts of fish; the turtles eat them, so they don't spend a lot of money on those. They're getting a collie soon, and a tortoise.
I used to have an iguana, a gecko, and a tarantula. Gotta love those :) | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 8:14:38 PM | Up until this week I was down to one pet - my dog Lucy, a border collie/samoyed mix who came with my house when I bought it six years ago. (There's a pic of her on my profile) That is, unless you want to count the two black snakes that re-emerge every spring, one in the woodshed, one in the woodshop. I welcome their presence, as they're known to keep copperheads away.
I had to give away my last cat a year ago when I took a job that kept me away from home more often than not. Lucy could travel with me, the cat (Opie, short for Opinion, because he always had one) wasn't much for car rides.
Out here in the WV countryside, unfortunately, a lot of people own a dog just to serve as an alarm system. They tie them up in the yard on a short lead and that's where they spend their life. Lucy was one of those until I came into her life. I took her off the lead and she's hardly been tied up since. She's gentle as can be with people, hell on raccoons, woodchucks, and unfortunately skunks, or at least she was until she faded into her senior years.
Sick story, but the previous owners used to only let her loose when a barn cat had kittens so she'd kill the kittens. When I arrived I got the cats fixed and made clear to Lucy that were part of the family. She has never been aggressive to a cat since.
Now that my last job has ended, I'm settled back in at home, but had still vowed a 'no replacement policy' on pets until I got a firmer handle on future plans.
But... this week a stray cat adopted me. Haven't named her yet, but she's marked similarly to Lucy, so they look cute together, and after seeing a mouse boldly scamper across my living room floor the other day I guess the time is right. She's got a great purr, that one.
I need to get her to the vet for shots and spaying, and come up with a name. I'm sure she'll suggest one soon enough,
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Posted: 5/13/2008 7:59:42 AM | beagle named scooter
boston terrier named turbo
pug named louie
all male, all neutered
the beagle is loyal, lazy, not too smart, very food motivated, sleeps alot, my good friend
the boston is aggresive towards other dogs, high energy, intelligent, fun to play with
the pug is a BAD BOY, he still pee's in the house, sit's on my head, chews my hair, is adoreable, very playful, eats mulch
they all get along like three amigos, go everywhere together and i love them! | |
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Posted: 5/13/2008 2:45:02 PM | Until life as I knew it came to a screeching halt a few years ago, I had:
15 horses (all rescues)
1 mule (rescue)
Great Dane
Westie
Sheltie
Springer/Brittany
Lab mix
Lab
English Springer
2 Golden Retriever mix (one had 7 puppies)
(all the dogs were rescues)
Several stray cats I've taken in
While I was growing up I had:
4-foot Iguana
Hooded rats
Snakes
At one point in my life I raised exotic birds and had 200 in my house. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2008 5:12:46 PM | I have a pet plant.
It's a Venus Fly Trap
It doesn't have a name at the moment. Does anyone know the name of the plant in the film LITTLE SHOP OF HORRORS? | |
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Posted: 5/13/2008 5:39:30 PM | I have two Mastiffs. One is 140 lbs. and the other is 235 lbs. What I can tell you about breeding the giants is this; have you considered what you will do with the dogs you don't sell? Pet quality mastiffs are basically non-marketable at about 3 mos. because they get so huge. I have friends who breed St. Bernards, Irish Wolfhounds, and Great Danes, and they have the same problem. Also, have you considered how you will continue to breed? Do you have other bloodlines that you can use? Have you a good vet that understands the giant breeds. Not all vets do. Have you learned how to give the puppy shots? If not, you will spend a fortune innoculating the puppies. Do you have the heart to put down a puppy that will have no chance to live?
There is so much to breeding. Most people never fully investigate what is necessary. While I was still breeding Mastiffs, my birthing room cost over $12,000. A giant female dog giving birth to lots of puppies is extremely messy. You have to have a way to keep things sanitary or you chance losing your investement. In order to make the big bucks, be prepared to show your dogs. You have to develop a reputation for prize winners, and the show circuit is expensive. Have you looked into insurance? Both my mastiffs are insured and it is quite costly.
Breeding is wonderful, but it is not for the faint of heart, nor part timers, nor someone who isn't willing or able to make the necessary financial investment. To do it right requires lots of time, money, and skills.
Good luck with your enterprise. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2008 5:52:35 PM | Great point pazoozoo plus those giant breed puppies must eat low protien food or they can get HOD easier. That is the most painful thing I have ever seen a litter go through. A misdiagnosis on that one and xrays alone will send you into the $1000! Breeding is never profitable.
I feel like Bob Barker
OP..I just went to the website you listed and they are not breeders. Nothing about the welfare of the dogs just the shirts you can buy and how much the guard dogs cost.
"These dogs are not bred for the show ring. They are bred for loyalty, protection, guarding, and peace of mind. They can and will protect."
You need to spay your dog ASAP!! | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 1:54:02 PM |
I have a pet plant.
It's a Venus Fly Trap
It doesn't have a name at the moment. Does anyone know the name of the plant in the film LITTLE SHOP OF HORRORS?
I think the name of the plant was Audrey.
I have 2 cats. Both are long-haired domestic. The Calico is named Anya, but I call her Onion, and the black and white one is named Nikita, but I call her many other names, some of which being; Nick-lick-muck-luck, Nicki Nicki Nine Doors, and Knick Knack. They're sisters from a beautiful calico long-haired cat that my sister found in the alley behind her work many years ago. The cat (we named her Havala) was pregnant and skinny, and my sister nursed her back to health in her office at work, then took her home so that Havala could have her kittens. She had the most beautiful kittens...they totally did not look like strays! | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 3:09:47 PM | Thankyou "behind deep blue eyes".
Audrey is so happy she has a name now.
"FEED ME, SEYMOUR! FEED ME!" | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 2:55:48 PM | I have a cat and his breeed is a Ragdoll, hes very lazy but sooo pretty.
and I just got a new addition which is my doggy and he is a Yorkiepoo
I want a Tank full of fishes and a parrot. hahah | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 4:55:15 PM | | The horses are all gone, the cat had to go when I moved, and now only left with two dogs ... one very big dog (120 lbs-not sure of breed) and one little yappy shitzu x jack russell terrrier. | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 6:25:11 PM |
recently lost my beloved Terry, who was a c0ckatiel that was white with faint yellow highlights. I know I'm bringing this thread down a bit with this, but his death has been extremely hard to deal with, even though he was just a bird. I'm a huge softie for birds of any kind
I can so relate...I love birds as well, and generally I get the sense that many people see pets other than dogs and cats as being of lesser status, such that bird lovers find themselves saying things like "I know s/he was just a bird." But there are also plenty of people around who do 'get it', and my heartfelt sympathies to you for having lost Terry. I still think of, and miss, birds I have lost in the past.
In more recent years I have had pet birds of the poultry variety rather than the 'indoor' variety, and given that they are also generally considered 'food' animals I have noticed that even fewer people can fathom what kind of pets they can become. I sometimes take in ex-battery hens and rehabilitate them (they make amazingly affectionate pets when shown kindness after the misery they have endured) and I also take in unwanted or abandoned animals that people have brought to me. I have some chooks who follow me around like little feathered lap dogs, wanting to be picked up and cuddled. A couple of my ducks are blind, and one of my sheep is deaf and as a result managed to lose his Mum the day he was born and got brought to my place.
My pet goose (gander), Wellington,died this week, and I would only embarrass myself to say how much I have been grieving the loss of my boy. I would sit him on my lap and sing to him, and he'd rest his head on my shoulder, make breathy cooing noises in my ear, and fall asleep. I adored him, and miss him so much. The love and affection these 'food' animals are capable of feeling and showing is grossly underestimated.
All up at the moment, I've got 3 dogs; an ancient beagle, a young wolfhound cross, and a middle aged big black and white bitser from the pound. I also have 10 ducks, 15 chickens, 3 sheep and 2 guinea pigs. They all get on amiably enough, and it's a pleasure to look out the window and see a montage of dogs, chooks, ducks and sheep, all mixed in together and happily doing their thing. | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 10:48:52 PM | I have two budgies, a****tiel and a Green Cheek Conure. They all love me dearly.
I so much love pet birds.
In the past I have had 4 other pet birds 2 budgies, a parrotlet and another****tiel.
They all passed away in my hands and wanted to be close to me when they died.
I never knew that I was so much of a bird person.
In the past, I have also had pet fish and plants. But don't have them anymore. Maybe some day, I will get a plant again.
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