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Posted: 5/15/2008 10:52:14 PM | Animals have such personalities and are full of love and bring us joy
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Posted: 5/16/2008 9:08:03 AM |
The love and affection these 'food' animals are capable of feeling and showing is grossly underestimated.
And it's not just "food" animals. I recently read a story and saw pictures of an extremely strange relationship between a fisherman and a 17-foot Great White shark. Apparently two years or so ago he cut her loose from a net. Since that time, she follows his boat when he's on the water. She comes to the surface and allows him to scratch her and touch her. She has never been aggressive with him. Some amazing pics. One is of him in a sea kayak with her following him. She's beautiful, but I like sharks. | |
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Posted: 5/16/2008 10:30:28 AM |
But I've been trying to spend as much time as possible with the one that's technically mine (it's also called Nero ), in order to socialize him to me, otherwise I understand he will be next to impossible for me to deal with him at all later, given the breed. So, besides just talking pets in general, if anyone has any info on living with or working with these kinds of dogs in particular, do tell. Ciao. [/qoute]
First of all, good luck with those dogs, they are deffinately a handful. I had 2 that used to come to me for daycare (I own a dog daycare) but I had to kick them out because they were getting too agressive towards the other dogs and other clients I had coming and going from the house. They are usually pretty good to their owners however they can be very hard to train and can also be a little on the vicious side if they don't come from a good line. If you are intending to breed these dogs be absolutely sure that they don't have any health issues and that their parents and their parents' parents' were well mannored dogs. Agression isn't just something they pick up from being miss treated, it is also passed down through the blood lines so be careful. They do make great guard dogs though, mostly used as junk yard dogs now.
Sraight from the mouth of a proffessional breeder (not myself but one I've talked to about these breeds)
"Despite his size, the Perro de Presa Canario is quiet and subdude in his home. Loyal, devoted to his family and eager to please (if treated right) he makes an excellent home guardian. He is suspicious of strangers and generally agressive towards other dogs." | |
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Posted: 5/28/2008 8:34:22 PM | Now that is interesting. I was watching a show recently about Great Whites and they are deciding now that they aren't the solitary animals they thought they were either and they have been noticing play behavior in them they hadn't really recognized before. Much smarter than mindless eating machines.
Not to stray from the subject of the forum though, I have three horses, three cats and four fish. All of whom are exceptional in one way or another (I think anyway.) | |
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Posted: 5/28/2008 9:14:10 PM | | I have a Welsh Terrier named Barney. I adopted him from a local shelter when he was 6 and a half - he's 12 (going on puppy) now. He is the best dog ever! Pretty mellow for a terrier - of course, the key phrase is FOR A TERRIER. He loves going to the dog park and I try to take him every day when the weather is decent. I have a pic of him in my profile. | |
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Posted: 5/29/2008 6:32:42 AM | Nurturers love pets... Count me in!
I am in a strange pet situation. Currently in an apartment w/none. last week lived ina house w/4. Spend time w/my guy's 5. And still consider myself the owner of the ones I left when I left my almost-ex hub, in December.
So here's the rundown:
Last week's pets:
Gracie the chihuahua mix
Molly, Sylvester, and Maggie the cats. Maggie might come live w/me in the fallw hen I move into my house.
The cats slept on my bed everyday while I lived w/my friend (Dec to May)...awesome cats.
My guy's 5, all dogs:
Rocky, Peanut, Jade, Tootsie, and Puppy
The puppy might go live w/my almost-ex and be his dog...or eventually be mine. She's a real sweetie and my guy really doesn't have the time or patience for all 5.
My pets I own, at the almost-ex's house
Kady and Belle the dogs. Belle is a hugely fat shepherd mix, lazy and loveable. She will live with me in the fall when I move into my house. Kady is 11 years old and has a ton of fatty tumors, poor thing.
Charlie, Tigger, and Lucy the cats.
In the last year, I've lost 2 pets. Daphne the cat disappeared about amonth ago. She's the first cat I've lost since married. :( She was only 7 and healthy so I'm guessing she got hit by a car or a coyote got her. My almost-ex whose brain doesn't work well thinks that the neighbors gave her away to a new family so she wouldn't get in their flower bed anymore. Which is so stupid but I guess it makes him feel better.
Skipper was my beloved puppy I lost last summer. Life was really rough then - that's when I decided to divorce and financially things were bad. He was what I focused on so I could forget about my problems. He was awesome. USed to lay in my lap when I'd feed him. I had him from about 5 wks old to 6 months. I watched him get hit by a car late last summer. Scooped him up in my arms and we rushed to the vets while I gave him CPR. pretty sure though he had a hole in his lungs b/c when I did the CPR I could hear the air going right thru. Losing pets is so awful. I'll never have a puppy again w/out having a fenced yard. He was trying to chase a car w/the big dogs (Kady and Belle).
I've also had pet rats but none right now...esp since once I have dogs or cats again they'd try to kill the rat. Still, I'm considering it... It's driving me nuts not having any pets at all right now! This is literally the first time in my life I've been petless except for the 1 year in a college dorm.
Kaylie | |
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Posted: 5/29/2008 7:42:04 PM | I love animals and have two indoor cats, an outdoor fish pond with large goldfish, and wild birds that visit my two birdfeeders and a birdbath.
I love dogs as well but with working long shifts, I don't have the lifestyle for one right now. Someday I would like to have a dog as I grew up with a Collie dog.
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Posted: 5/30/2008 9:23:12 AM | | I don't think I'm going to go through with the breeding idea, with the dog I paid for (Nero, the male). I've been talking it over with my friend (who still wants to) and he was saying he'll either look for another partner or buy another male himself to breed Bella with (that's the female). But he's wanting to do this in a way that I don't think is for the best in the long run. I think he's just trying to breed something really aggressive; for instance he's talking about crossing Bella with a male Rottweiler or Pit bull now (which are easier to find of course, and possibly cheaper). So I think I'm going to pull Nero out of the breeding scheme at least (although he'll have to continue to live with Bella at my buddy's place, A] because that's where he's used to already, and B] because otherwise I don't have enough space plain and simple -- he's already getting a bit bigger, and plus he'd miss Bella). So I'll basically continue on with my regular routine, which is picking him up after work and on weekends and stuff and hanging out, going out to the woods and the dog park and stuff, and for long walks, but I think I'll get him fixed. He is getting aggressive, to basically anyone but myself of course or my friend and his wife. I'm noticing that more so now. When he gets full-grown, is buying a muzzle (for walks) such a horrible idea? | |
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Posted: 5/30/2008 4:22:35 PM | hey xnerox have you given serious consideration to taking him for some formal obedience training? it really sounds like you are out of your depth with this dog...if he is showing aggression - and not stopping when told - then he is not accepting you as his leader - and with this type of dog - that is a really serious issue - to be safe - he MUST be compliant and obedient!! my daughter had a 70kg rottweiler - he would drop to the ground mid-stride at a word from her - anything less is a recipe for disaster! i hope this works out for you - but i really feel you have some tough choices to make....
as for my animals....a short haired bundle of border collie energy....2 manx cats....2 sylvester-looking cats! a ferrret that is the bane of the cats lives.... sneaks up on them and pounces! a****too that swears profusely....a few goldfish...as has been said they pretty much just look at you....2 horses i ride ....2 i drive in harness....and 1 young one im breaking in.....the worlds biggest cow.....she must be lol shes huge!! i think thats everyone !! | |
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Posted: 5/30/2008 5:48:49 PM |
He is getting aggressive, to basically anyone but myself of course or my friend and his wife. I'm noticing that more so now. No surprise, given the breed. You need to get on that big time, or you may have a situation on your hands sooner than later. And you have to be in sync with your partners on rules and commands, or the dog will pick the least dominant, and try to dominate that person. Beautiful dogs, but they have a job to do that is hardwired into their brain. You'll have to be alert to that fact and be working against it for the dog's entire life. Especially so if he isn't allowed the outlet of doing the job he was bred for.
When he gets full-grown, is buying a muzzle (for walks) such a horrible idea?
A requirement anywhere you go where there are going to be people or other dogs, to my mind, given the breed.
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Posted: 5/30/2008 6:02:54 PM | Hi there. I'm glad you've changed your mind about breeding. I will tell you this however, when Bella comes into season, even if you have your male neutered, there will be billy heck to pay. Also, if your friend brings another male into the picture during that time, don't be surprised if there are some pretty radical personality changes in your dog.
My male isn't altered, but from the time he was six weeks old, he has understood clearly and succinctly that I am Alpha. Even at that he sometimes gives a little grrr to see if I will relent. If I were you, I wouldn't waste anymore time. I would get you and he into training classes. There are ususally freebies around if you look. You shouldn't need to muzzle him if you get a grip on the situation right away. The important thing is to form a bond between you and the dog and for you both to believe you are the one and only boss guy.
Both my dogs dwarf me, and people think it's funny to watch them go submissive when I point my be good finger, but considering the size of the dogs (yours too), you have to always be vigilant and never let them forget you are Alpha.
I hope you find all the joy in your big guy that I've found in mine. The little fluff balls are adorable, but there is just something about those droopy, jowly faces that melt my heart.
A big hug to you and your big boy. The Paz | |
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Posted: 5/30/2008 11:39:06 PM | i have 3 dogs, a siberian husky, a husky japanese akita cross, and a****r spaniel.
the spaniel is a rescue dog.
hes a red, and when i got him, he was 4 yrs old, and had alot of behaviour problems.
but he has calmed down now.
and i allso have 4 cats, 3 moggys and a persian. 2 of them are rescue cats.
and a bunny and guinea pig.
as u can tell im animal mad, but i know my limits.
i love them all to bits, and wouldnt be without them.
these days id allways go to a shelter, rather than buy a pet from somewhere.
id love to own a greyhound, but it is not possible at the moment because of my cats.
i know they can get on, but i work fulltime, so id rather not atm. | |
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Posted: 6/3/2008 9:39:52 AM |
When he gets full-grown, is buying a muzzle (for walks) such a horrible idea?
No that is not a horrible idea at all, you are being a very smart/responsible dog owner to be doing that. It is good that you are realizing now what kind of dog he is going to be and you are doing what's right. I know a lot of people who have to walk their dog(s) with muzzles, it's for the safety of the dog and everyone else around the dog. My own dog has to wear a muzzle or a halti when out and about because he is really bad when on a leash. (off leash he's fine with everyone and almost everything, but once that leash is clipped to his collar he is on guard and is basically an attack dog on a rope)
(I have 3 German Shepherd/Rhodesian Ridgeback crosses from the same litter and 2 of the 3 (one male and one female) have to be walked with a halti or muzzle if they are on leash because they think it's their job to protect me from anyone that comes close, but once that leash comes off they are crazy happy bouncy puppies who love dogs and people (well the female is still a little scared of people but she runs and hides after the leash comes off, but the male might lick you to death, hahahaha) | |
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Posted: 6/3/2008 10:52:42 PM |
otherwise I understand he will be next to impossible for me to deal with him at all later, given the breed
you might be suprised what it is possible to become friends with even if you didn't raise it, although it is always best to socialize any large and potentially difficult to handle animal from a very young age | |
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Posted: 6/3/2008 11:13:22 PM | | You should also be aware of your liability and responsibility for others safety when you own any dangerous animal, and have insurance for the possibility, it could otherwise cost you everything you own and then some | |
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Posted: 6/4/2008 12:30:17 AM | you shouldnt be scared of your own dog!
you will be able to deal with him, and he will do as he is told.
of corse, some dogbreeds are easyer to train then others. i have a japanese akita cross...and oh, he gets me so frustrated sometimes, cs akitas are so stubborn.
but he onley ever "pulled a snitch" at me once. that was when i was trying to get him into the bath....and he dont like that......
so i thought im not having this, and he got a pair of my tights wrapped round his nose,
and he still went in. heh.
i think any items that help make training a dog easyer, are acceptable.
with in reason of corse.....anyone using a "shock" collar should be shot!
i have used muzzles, halties and dog-crates to train my dogs, and i dont think that is cruel at all. infact my dogs really came to like the dog-crates.
it all helps prevent future accedents.
espechially if the dogbreed in question is on the "dangerous dog list" you cant take any risks.
dogs have to know who is boss, thats why i totally disagree with them being on the bed or couch etc.
they should allways get their food after you have eaten, so they know their place in the pack. | |
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Posted: 6/4/2008 2:05:52 AM | I am mostly an absentee around here anymore, becuase Life has taken on some complications. This thread seems to be the most convenient in which to vent.
I adopted a Rottweiler about three years ago. Fantastic dog on all counts, except that he was born with severe hip dysplasia. I cannot tell you how many people had approached me and asked me if I wanted to stud him out (after he was neutered) so that I could have created new generations of dogs with hip problems for a buck, without knowing or caring about his genetic history. My answer has always been my schpiel about all of the animals awaiting homes in rescue facilities, before I knew of my beloved dog's life threatenting genetic health condition.
Riley was taken when he was 8 weeks-old, during a drug search warrant. He had and still has the sweetest disposition, unlike the dogs portrayed in the movie, "The Omen."
Because of his hip dyplasia, and his cute little sexy swagger of a walk, Riley completey ruptured both of his Anterior Cruciate Ligaments (i.e., the ligaments in his rear knees that enable him to walk.)
I had the most advanced surgery available to him, and it went splendidly! At the low,low price of $5000, I created the Bionic Dog with titanian in his legs. Wouldn'tcha know, we had the unforeseen complication. It turns out that his hip dysplasia prevented the development of his rear leg bone structure, so we no sooner fixed him than his body said, "Whoo-hoo! I can use my rear legs! (and he promptly fractured his knees by trying to push off of them to say hello to other dogs).
I am so up in arms against irresponsible breeders and owns that I cannot even address that issue right now.
Riley may or may not heal and come home with me, but I am forever grateful to the staff at Westpark Animal Hospital for their commitment to saving him and for putting up with me! Right now, it is up to hom and his body, because we will not subject Riley to any more surgery. It will break my heart should I have to have him euthanized, but I will do for him what is best for him. To anyone that says that he is just a dog, and I can get another dog, my mother taught me to be a Lady, so to that I cannot respond in a ladylike fashion.
Across the way from Riley and I (where I spend as many hours a day as I can) is a delightful Pit Bull Dog. He is there for a duration of healing after all that he has been through, and so long as we are there, we have adopted "Blue" as our cause. Blue would be all black, if not for all of his scars, but as it is, he is Black and White.
On that note, it really offends me that Society chooses to banish an intelligent, loyal breed of animal, when the real offenders are the abusive owners and/or inbreeders. My thought on that is that persons caught animal fighing should be thrust into a ring with the vicious animals that they created to fend for themselves. If the punishment is to be mauled by immaciated, starving, abused animals, perhaps the "sport" would stop itself (or else they would just become more crafty).
"Blue" is the sweetest dog you can imagine! Unfortunately, precautionary meastures dictate that he should be adopted into a home with no other pets, no children, and owners that bestow a LOT of love, because he has been through so much! The first time I approached him with a treat, he cowered in fear and then approached me with caution.
When he was brought in, he was nearly dead. We surmise that he was "bait" and thrown into the starved andemaciated dogs rings to get them going.. I have three months to try to get my dog's knees well, and Blue is his honorary stepbrother (but I don't have a fenced yard).
In caring for Riley's unforeseen complication, the animal hospital has given me generous visitation privileges, and we have adopted Blue as far as food and treats.
Westpark Animal Hospital, I have found, does a lot of generous work! I have spent $5000 (which most people I know say it would be bye-bye) but we are committed to my dog walking out of there, home with me. B lue is beloved by everyone and such a sweet guy, though it takes a moment for him to trust you.
The staff has told me that since Riley and I adopted Blue, he is protective of us, but not in a bad way. Riley is in casts for his knees, so Blue sniffs Riley, watches out when he thinks they are hurting him, and they get along.
Immediately after I met Blue, I wanted to find him a good hom, same as with my Mr. Riley. I cannot take him in, but he has been through so much. Anybody interested in adopting a pit bull that has been thru hell and somehow retained the sweeteness he was born with.
Blue has been though so much, but he is a dolll.
If you have a lot of hugs, and a fenced yard, and no children, this may be the perfect dog for you, because he is mellow and an absoulte sweettheart! I love Blue! I love my Riley, too!! | |
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Posted: 6/4/2008 3:43:21 AM | ^^^^One of my Boxers was used for 'bait' for Mastiffs. Titan isn't vicious at all...sweetest and loving dog I've ever had. Truthfully...I think he was scared shytless and was relieved when I brought him home with me and he didn't have to deal with that crap anymore. My biggest issue with him was getting him to stop being skiddish. Sad that people do that to animals. What's worse is that *some* places turn a blind eye when things like that are reported.
OP: No, getting a muzzle would actually be a good idea. I don't care how well a dog is trained...dogs are born with natural animal instincts. They can turn at the drop of a dime. My 3 adults are highly trained....but I when we are out and about or other people are around I always keep an eye on what my dogs are doing. My uncle had a dog once for about 7 years...trained for everything under the sun. One day they were walking down to the mailbox and passed their neighbor and when he went to pet him the dog ripped his arm open from the elbow to his palm. My uncle said the neighbor didn't do anything out of the ordinary and the dog was well accustomed to him. Why knows why the dog snapped on him like that?
So, getting him fixed, getting him a muzzle, and having him trained are really your best bets.
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Posted: 6/4/2008 3:22:52 PM | ^^ I'll be doing the first two for sure, possibly the third (the training) as well. Or I'll call my buddy Caesar Milan.  I don't even know if he'd work with an out of control (grown) Presa -- not that mine is (or ever will be if I can help it) "out of control". But I think they're just too possibly aggressive with strangers, and I mean they can get to be about 145, 150 lbs, a lot of which is muscle in the well-bred ones. In fact their "stance" was what originally got me interested in the whole idea when my friend started bringing this whole idea up to me.
http://www.presa-ironbull.com/ <---this page & pics from Spain (well, they are Spanish dogs after all, when purebred of course), but you can see some great examples, IMO, if you click the "Galeria Fotografica". | |
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Posted: 6/4/2008 3:30:00 PM | I had to give my last pets away when i moved here but I'm now waiting to get more until I'm completely settled I am wanting a pure white Persian kitty and a pure black Persian kitty and then well this one will be odd but I've always wanted a Great Dane love them big ole dogs!!
Smooches Melbie | |
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Posted: 6/5/2008 4:18:34 AM | With my beloved Riley in casts on both of his rear legs, I spend hours a day with him in his cage to make it more bearable for him. He hated being crated as a puppy, but he needs to be sedentary right now.
While in there, sometimes I nap a bit (and my back is killing me) but I will do whaterver is best for him.
I also often read, so that we can cuddle for hours in his cage. Yes, I am certifiably nuts!
I got the two books available on Marley (Marley and Me, and Marley, A Dog Like No Other). I have laughed out loud while reading these books, which probably makes the hospital staff think I am even more certifiably insane.
I had thought Riley was bad in obedience school, but Marley got kicked out with a full refund after his second class. This is a very easy and fun read!
Blessings to all of us that have in our hearts to care for The Creator's precious creatures that need our help to survive! Some people can be so monstrous. | |
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Posted: 6/5/2008 8:23:58 AM | xNEROx...Poor Bella should not be breed and just bring more unwanted dogs into the world. Please talk your friend into SPAYING her also. Both of you jumped in over your head on this breed.
As for muzzle walks they are fine for the time being but not a good quality of life for Nero, either train the poor dog or give him to rescue. They can handle him where you cannot.
Dont think about getting him fixed....DO IT!!
aka...Lot Lizard | |
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Posted: 6/5/2008 9:13:22 AM | | Need some input on why my cat is acting this way. Problem..I have 2 cats for 4 years they are sisters...they are spayed...they were outside the other day when Tippy got attacked by a stray Tom...now her sister Coo-bee hisses and growls at her and runs and hides. Tippy has some bite or claw marks on her back maybe Coo-bee smells this?? | |
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Posted: 6/5/2008 6:54:10 PM | ^^ I'll be doing the first two for sure, possibly the third (the training) as well
mate i cant believe you are "possibly" doing the training!!!
this dog needs very specific and consistant training - now!!!!
there is no need for him to be aggressive with anyone once he is well trained and realises that he MUST do as he is told!!
that is not to say he will be everyones best friend - but he will behave in a socially acceptable way because he will understand the basic commands that ensure he knows that no means NO!!! aggression is not aceptable and he needs to learn this!! we dont tolerate it from people and not from our animals either!! | |
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