| Queen of the universe
Posted: 5/10/2008 6:05:14 PM | Employee of the month does not necessarrily correlate to sweetheart of the month.
If one defines themself in terms of what they do as opposed to who they are as a person, an individual and a human being, I personally have no interest in them.
One (usually, not always but usually) will find this type of personality just by looking at their screen name. If their occupation or profession is embedded in their screen name it tells me this is how they define themself. By what they do.......
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Posted: 5/10/2008 8:41:59 PM | Because I don't think it matters? That's why I do it, plus I'm going to school right now anyway.
I have no idea why leaving profession blank would indicate anyone is hiding anything. Just because someone doesn't want to put their job on here means they're hiding something?
Is there some memo I missed that not professing your job to the world is a sign of hiding things?
If it's really something you just have to know, why not, you know, ask? It's another point of conversation and shows an interest since you want to know about their life? You don't just see they work in some given field you have interest in, but you ask them what they do and ask about their job like you're actually interested? | |
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Posted: 5/10/2008 8:51:49 PM |
I wish people would put in their profession or at least their highest education level achieved. Even if it didn't matter to me, men who lack any college education usually feel uncomfortable dating a woman with a doctorate. Plus there is just so much difference in life experiences, goals, ect... I've responded to emails from some men trying to gently tell them this by saying, "We just really don't have much in common". I've had some of them write back angry telling me that they are wealthy trucking company owners and who am I to assume they are poor because they drive a truck. This was not the case at all. I wouldn't care if they earned $1 million per year driving their truck, I still wouldn't have as much in common with them as I would with an out of work biology professor. I've also been dumped because of MY profession. I've had men who I've met in a club or at a social event chating me up like they really were attracted but when they ask what I do they make an excuse to leave. I can understand how they feel.
This post should have came with a sign that reads, "Caution, Vanity in use, Proceed with caution."
As for my profession.... | |
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Posted: 5/10/2008 9:11:53 PM | I think whatever information people choose to disclose or not is fine.
We are bombarded with too much information on a complete stranger... and more than likely leaves us with an image that never comes close to the real deal.
It's like reading a book then going to see the movie -- always a disappointment.
I say leave off whatever information you want and let things develop and disclose as interest develops. It just seems more natural that way. | |
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Posted: 5/11/2008 4:16:43 AM | Good morning Roadpilot,
I look at this on a number of different levels. On a personal level, I strive in my life to be honest with people as I have nothing to hide and I just feel that's the ethically correct way to behave in any circumstance. Also, I am proud of what I do and want to attract people who are interested in that aspect of my life. That is to say I chose to work with people, kids to be exact, because it is what I am good at, enjoy immensely, and derive great satisfaction from. It's all I have ever done and if I were to soon be on the bread line, I'm not sure what else I would do. It's also why I included my education level in my profile. I hope to attract someone with the same experiences/interests.On a different level, iIget a laugh from some of the funny entries under profession. I like to laugh and don't take life too seriously. For tose who leave it blank, I assume there is a reason, don't take it personally and believe I am savvy enough to quickly ascertain if they are only interested in my financial worth. A long answer to a short question! | |
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Posted: 5/11/2008 4:34:54 AM | I am a little vague on which capacity and where i work for the government. That type of info can be revealed on an actual date. I do not need any calls to where i work. Good or bad.  | |
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Posted: 5/11/2008 4:44:38 AM | I don't put it on my profile either.
There seems to be the same issue with both Men and Women. There are some fish out there that are looking for the size of the wallet. If they (men or women) have a need to first know how we make money, then these are the wrong people for us.
That said... I will make one note here. Men ask me all the time what I "do". So.. here is the question. Why is it that when a woman asks a man that question..right away... she is thought to be a gold-digger. But.. men ask this same exact question and it is ok? Believe me, there are just as many men looking for a free ride. | |
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| Lack of information in profession slot
Posted: 5/11/2008 5:55:14 AM | Most of you are saying that you are not defined by your profession and the you don't want to meet men/women who are defined by their profession. I have realized that the basic problem is that they have a "profession" slot at all. Bottom line most people do not have a "PROFESSION". They have a "JOB". Some don't have a profession or a job. People who have a profession ARE, by definition, defined by their job. What I don't understand is this.....Why are some of the people who DO have a profession reluctant to list it? Probably because of the negative reactions of most of you. If I wish to meet men with whom I have things in common, even if they are unemployed, thats VANITY???? That is an odd way to define vanity.
Definition and History of Professions According to Wikipedia:
A profession is an occupation, vocation or career where specialized knowledge of a subject, field, or science is applied.[1] It is usually applied to occupations that involve prolonged academic training and a formal qualification. It is axiomatic that "professional activity involves systematic knowledge and proficiency."[2] Professions are usually regulated by professional bodies that may set examinations of competence, act as a licensing authority for practitioners, and enforce adherence to an ethical code of practice.
Classically, there were only three professions: Divinity, Medicine, and Law[16]. The main milestones which mark an occupation being identified as a profession are:
1. It became a full-time occupation;
2. The first training school was established;
3. The first university school was established;
4. The first local association was established;
5. The first national association was established;
6. The codes of professional ethics were introduced;
7. State licencing laws were established[17].
The ranking of established professions in the United States based on the above milestones shows Medicine first, followed by Law, Dentistry, Civil Engineering, Logistics, Architecture and Accounting[18]. With the rise of technology and occupational specialization in the 19th century, other bodies began to claim professional status: Pharmacy, Logistics, Veterinary Medicine, Nursing, Teaching, Librarianship, Optometry and Social Work, all of which could claim to be professions by 1900 using these milestones[19].
Trades
In narrow usage, not all expertise is considered a profession. Although sometimes referred to as professions, such occupations as skilled construction work are more generally thought of as trades or crafts. The completion of an apprenticeship is generally associated with skilled labor or trades such as carpenter, electrician, plumber, bricklayer and other similar occupations. A related (though not always valid) distinction would be that a professional does mainly mental or administrative work, as opposed to engaging in physical work. Many companies include the word professional in their company name to signify the quality of their workmanship or service (e.g., Professional Plastics, Inc. "The Plastics Professionals").
In sports, a professional is someone who participates for money. The opposite is amateur, meaning a person that does not play for money, but in an academic (e.g. college football) or other private setting. The term "professional" is commonly used incorrectly, as the distinction simply refers to how the athlete is funded, and not necessarily to what competitions he engages in or what results he achieves.
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Posted: 5/11/2008 6:17:47 AM | I propose (ok I'm done with the penis size thing - well sorta) that people who leave it off either can't use one word to describe it and want to do it in conversation (I once met a guy that thought being an IT was the kiss of death, so he wanted to wait on saying it), or do it purposely to see if someone asks, therefore filing them in the golddigger category.
After all if it's not there, and the person doesn't ask it must mean they don't care right? Problem with this is, most people will probably ask BECAUSE it's not there, which proves nothing...so everyone gets screened out. | |
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Posted: 5/11/2008 6:56:29 AM | It annoys me slightly when it's not filled out - just like it annoys me when other parts of a profile aren't filled out or have "prefer not to say" etc. We spend the better part of the week at our jobs so I think how a person feels about said job/work environment is important. Some people complain about their jobs non stop - dear lord, don't want to be around those kinds of people.
I find that at my age, it's very interesting to talk about past jobs /careers and have found that people have changed careers , lifestyles following life changing events in their lives. It's getting to know someone on a whole different level. Careers/jobs are not separate and apart from who we are as a whole person. People who keep equating career to money are missing the mark, IMHO. Even though we have to work to pay bills etc, there are people out there who want what they do to support themselves actually make a difference in the world somehow. | |
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Posted: 5/11/2008 7:20:01 AM | I'm not hiding anything.... I'm protecting self from the Public Views....
If someone wants to know, as I'm emailing or talking with them, fine, but it's really
no one else's business right off.
For those that feel it's important to know if the guy is a truck driver because they would
rather have him around the house more often, as opposed to just wanting a larger paycheck,
or a Harvard education, then maybe the "Prefer not to say" has done what it was intended to do.
My thought is that it's only a part of getting past this screen and into who the person really is. If ya wanna know, ASK. Simple Stupid....... | |
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Posted: 5/11/2008 7:45:59 AM | Lady_Waresa:
It annoys me slightly when it's not filled out - just like it annoys me when other parts of a profile aren't filled out or have "prefer not to say" etc.
Interesting... I never looked at it like this.
When reading profiles I found some people claiming to be CEO, responsible for many people and their families, adding statements like "that's my house, my Mercedes, my boat, my pool...". Not that being a CEO is a bad thing... unlike them I would have written everything but this just to make sure it's me who people see, beside my opinion that their interest or focus is a mirror of their personality too. You get what you ask for...
I go along with this
Janet4ever: I say leave off whatever information you want and let things develop and disclose as interest develops. It just seems more natural that way.
or what bullielover said... | |
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Posted: 5/11/2008 2:42:36 PM | I follow what you're saying there, but think both can be misleading. I know many people working in fields completely unrelated to their collegiate program. And there are others, like me, who have a good part of grad school completed in a program they have no intention or desire to finish.
And I know many who have doctoral degrees, including a few MD's or DO's, who never use their degree and go by either Mr., Miss, or Mrs., it's a matter of choice. | |
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Posted: 5/11/2008 3:38:42 PM |
Is there some memo I missed that not professing your job to the world is a sign of hiding things?
Exactly. Who's paranoid--the person who leaves the profession field blank or the person who believes it's a sign of hidden demons of some sort? | |
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Posted: 5/11/2008 3:56:11 PM | What else are they hiding?
hmmmm  been to jail
been to vegas has 3 ex wives
has chile support has no car has bad credit
has gambling bebts wanted in 4 states likes porn
is a pastor too 
forgets to use commas
are you your job or does a job help pay for who/what you want to be in the future?
EG; a burger flipper may be a future recording artist...............Gene Simmons was a teacher @ one time. | |
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Posted: 5/11/2008 4:19:17 PM |
It annoys me slightly when it's not filled out - just like it annoys me when other parts of a profile aren't filled out or have "prefer not to say" etc. We spend the better part of the week at our jobs so I think how a person feels about said job/work environment is important. Some people complain about their jobs non stop - dear lord, don't want to be around those kinds of people.
What does a person complaining about their job have to do with the profession field? To some, what they do for work is personal and they'd like to put it out there for people that they want to be closer to. Not everyone out in the world knows what everyone does by looking at them, why is it a requirement to know this here? You don't know how someone feels about anything unless they tell you in some way...
I'm actually quite personal and private about some things, a job would be one of those things, what I'm going to school for is one of those things, anything I'm passionate about, it's personal, I don't get into it much on here or with the general public for that matter. I do the usual stuff, list hobbies and interests here, but I don't go much into it because all of that is personal for me and I want to share that with people that are special to me, not just everyone in the world to know everything about me. | |
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Posted: 5/11/2008 6:31:10 PM |
If I wish to meet men with whom I have things in common, even if they are unemployed, thats VANITY????
Easy for you to say I suppose but in fact way out of context from your original post. Vanity in fact encompasses much more than your appearance but also your mind. People who are vain tend to be very narrow minded, need an example?
You stated that a persons proffesion and level of education is important to you summed up here...
I still wouldn't have as much in common with them as I would with an out of work biology professor.
How about a poor patent clerk that had a horrible time in school and was basicly a rebel towards the degrees of higher education. You probably would have passed someone like that up thinking he would never amount to anything. You would have passed up your chance to know Albert Eintein.
Our jobs, professions and level of education do not define who we are, We define who we are. You are throwing lables at people and using these life experiances to define who they are and who they may become and that is vain. You limit yourself to only people that have done this or done that and have these experiances and those, and that is vain. You exclude certain people for all the same reasons posted before ever finding out what they really are and that is the most vain of all.
Defining who we are by limiting ourselves to only a certain group of people that we associate with is in its own right, Vanity. | |
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Posted: 5/11/2008 8:29:42 PM |
Easy for you to say I suppose but in fact way out of context from your original post. Vanity in fact encompasses much more than your appearance but also your mind. People who are vain tend to be very narrow minded, need an example?
How about a poor patent clerk that had a horrible time in school and was basicly a rebel towards the degrees of higher education. You probably would have passed someone like that up thinking he would never amount to anything. You would have passed up your chance to know Albert Eintein.
Yes, I would have happily passed up any chance to date some patent clerk who had a horrible time in school and is rebelling towards education. I would have very little in common with him. I might enjoy meeting Albert Einstein but I sure as heck wouldn't want to live with or date him either.
Our jobs, professions and level of education do not define who we are, We define who we are. You are throwing lables at people and using these life experiances to define who they are and who they may become and that is vain. You limit yourself to only people that have done this or done that and have these experiances and those, and that is vain. You exclude certain people for all the same reasons posted before ever finding out what they really are and that is the most vain of all. Defining who we are by limiting ourselves to only a certain group of people that we associate with is in its own right, Vanity.
Obviously you do not know the meaning of "Vanity".
Definition of Vanity per Wikipedia:
"In conventional parlance, vanity is the excessive belief in one's own abilities or attractiveness to others. In many religions vanity is considered a form of self-idolatry, in which one rejects God for the sake of one's own image, and thereby becomes divorced from the graces of God. In early Christian teachings vanity is considered an example of pride, one of the seven deadly sins. "
If I chose not to date a person because I considered them inferior, such as yourself, THAT would be vanity. Wishing to date people who can understand where I'm coming from because they have been there, who I can understand because I've been in their position before......this is not Vanity. This is just logical! I don't limit myself from "knowing" people of all different types but there is a difference between who I would like to know and who I would want to date. I like a certain level of peace and serenity in my private life. Where there is commonality there tends to be peacefulness. In other words, I might enjoy drama on the TV or movie screen but not in my home life.
Many men will reject a girl who is fat. They reject them without even considering that she may be the most beautiful, kind, sweet, lovely person they could ever meet. She could have loads of things in common with him. But because of her weight, he will consider her inferior and will not "give her a chance". Is this Vanity? or is it just a fact of nature that some people like people who are fat, some like thin, some like educated, some like uneducated. Its all in what you find attractive. Men who only like girls who are thin will definitely protest if a woman presents herself as being thin or doesn't mention being fat and then is fat when they meet. Infact there are several threads about this. Unlike these men I will not automatically reject a guy who is chubby. As long as he is able to travel and be active I don't have a specific weight or size requirement. So what makes it right for these men to require a specific weight range but wrong for me to desire to meet someone with whom I have things in common? | |
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| Queen of the universe
Posted: 5/12/2008 6:01:35 AM | | I don't think it ultimately matters too much what people say in there....(however if have "Professor" as your profession -- you might feel a little uncomfortable contacting someone who has "Village Idiot" down as their job title.) | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 8:54:52 AM |
I have noticed that mabye half of the profiles that I visit either have a blank for profession or some cute saying inserted. At first I wondered, "What else are they hiding?" Now I really want to hear from guys as to why this is blank. Because they don't want to disclose their profession? Duh.
Lots of women's profiles are like this as well. It's not a big deal. If someone not disclosing their profession on their PoF profile, or making a joke of it, is a dealbreaker for you, just move on. If you really feel like you want to know, just ask.
I'm thinking people don't disclose their profession because it's either tough to describe, they have found that disclosing it doesn't work to their advantage by either attacting or dis-attracting the superficial sort, or they wish to keep it private. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 11:15:00 AM | ^^and why women choose to forego the obvious bikini and/or cleavage photos... it's not necessary to show everything right away and often tends to attract the wrong types or stinks of arrogance, boastfulness and attention seeking.
Just like an MD that frequents the forums and I've yet to see one single entry that does not include her profession and/or education level... we GOT it. You're too good for most of us.
Now run along... your pager is beeping. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 11:26:30 AM | | I dunno, I never thought about it being imporant. I have "unprofessional" in mine. lol. Personally, I like to see funny answers in that space. Also, what's wrong with leaving something for future conversation? | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 11:29:47 AM | What there's a line to put your profession?? LMAO
Who cares?? If you need to know that by looking at the profile without chatting, email, or talking to the person then well...what does that say about you?
I swear people get so hung up on labels for so many things...if the human race would take time to get to know one another for who they are and not what they do, where they live, what they drive, how sexy they are...we'd all be better off.
as always, just my opinion | |
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