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Posted: 5/11/2008 6:15:18 PM | | ....thanks andy... | |
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Posted: 5/11/2008 6:21:56 PM | First, I dont think "the terrorists" are interested in hurting American people, it's our government they are pissed at and they chose high profile, symbolic targets on 911.
If our government is less intrustive in the Middle East and more even-handed with Israel, I think the Islamofascist problems would be mostly local in certain countries and their problem to deal with.
by the way, I dont think Obama is "soft". He stated very plainly that he would go after bin Laden in Pakistan if given the opportunity. I think he would do his damnedest to try to negotiate, hard and long, whatever needs to be worked out, which is the most sensible thing to do.
I dont not think he would shrink from a fight. Hilary is another matter with her comments about "obliterating" 60 million people in Iran. That kind of language and approach only hardens the hardliners and makes it all worse. | |
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Posted: 5/11/2008 6:37:17 PM |
Oh yeah...At least Obama is on record saying that he would pull out of iraq and let the terrorists have free reign and without the support of our british heroic friends we in the US would still be stuck in the stoneage.
Andy I don't mind you rewording something, but this is a lie. Obama did say he would go into Pakistan. Didn't Britain pull out of Basra, or should we officially change the name to Southwest Iran. Your country is already cutting and running so back off the "noble cause" bs. | |
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Posted: 5/11/2008 7:03:29 PM | skoochie - January last year (or there abouts) Obama says troops should start to be pulled out of iraq in spring 2008. The arguments against was that it would be too dangerous to pull troops out until iraq was stable. Iraq isn't stable - so that bit isn't a lie.
british heroic friends - well, we are so that bit's not a lie.
no the US would not be stuck in the stoneage, in fact the US has never been in a stoneage - so I'll take that back, I apologise.
No britain is still in basra, we have a high walled base that our troops never venture out of. | |
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Posted: 5/11/2008 7:12:03 PM |
Obama is on record saying that he would pull out of iraq and let the terrorists have free reign
Really. You're not embellishing in the least bit here.
So you have a high walled base in Basra that your troops are hiding in.
Obama has tken the pulse of America and understands that the majority of Americans want to get out of Iraq. I'd prefer a leader who wants what America wants and doesn't keep telling me that they know what's best for me. Obama isn't the only one who wants out of Iraq. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 2:18:45 AM |
Obama isn't the only one who wants out of Iraq.
the hell...our being in Iraq is his wet dream. It couldn't have worked out any better for his plans, if he'e real, to have us be there.... it was almost as if he and Bush planned it this way it is so perfect.... and if you don't believe me you haven't been paying attention to what is happening in Afghanistan for the past 5,000 years..... | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 4:43:04 AM | "Stating" and "Doing" are two very different things. If another 9/11 were to happen, I only hope Obama doesn't have an anxiety attack, or a nervous breakdown.
On the other hand, if Bush isn't around, McCain would probably get on the phone to one of the generals and frantically ask what he, as president, should be doing.
-Suth'nBoy
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Posted: 5/12/2008 4:55:46 AM |
"Stating" and "Doing" are two very different things. At last something that makes sense on the forums....why is it that so many put so much faith in the words of a Politician who has not proven himself in any way? Obama is great at saying what he would do or would have done, but what has he really done thus far that has given him so much credibility in the eyes of his worshippers? | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 5:24:18 AM | It's the Messiah image he's created.
How could a Messiah ever lead anybody down the garden path, either knowingly or not? After all, he's come to us from parts unknown (a virgin in a manger somewhere perhaps?), for the purpose of bailing all of humanity out of a very messy situation.
Something of a Jim Jones reincarnation of sorts..
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Posted: 5/12/2008 6:46:10 AM | Geezus, some of you people are crazy. Anybody remember the Cuban Missle Crisis? A very young Senator managed it pretty well.
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Posted: 5/12/2008 7:43:45 AM |
Our being in Iraq is his (Obama) wet dream. It was almost as if he and Bush planned it this way it is so perfect
Yeah Crash... I'm sure it was Bush and Obama in the war room back in March 2003 planning this losing battle.
I only hope Obama doesn't have an anxiety attack, or a nervous breakdown.
McCain is most likely to have a heart attack. The guy planned every war since the Civil War. Get real. When was McCain in the Executive branch during war? Never. The arguement that a President has to have x-amount of experience to lead us to war is rediculous. Bush had no experience and he managed to commit war crimes. Some people act as if we have no Generals who are already prepared with a war plan to fight anyone. No candidate has to worry about drafting war plans.
Something of a Jim Jones reincarnation of sorts.
Wow. That puts the 'um' in 'dumb'. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 8:43:19 AM |
If another 9/11 were to happen, I only hope Obama doesn't have an anxiety attack, or a nervous breakdown.
After this campaign, and all the twists and turns it's had, I think we'd see him having one already, to be honest.
At least he won't just sit there for minutes reading a book, and not reacting.  | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 9:31:56 AM | fyi even ; jfk was crapping his pants for the cuban "missile" crisis. we are the ones who gave in, taking our missiles out of turkey, unreported by the dem friendly time-life and nyt groups. as for MG, you have a lot of nerve, bashing america. ever been to france? there's a place called normandy, its got a lot of white crosses and jewish star headstones, know why? please spare me that crap about international per capital donations.
as for aid, at this writing, we are giving 362 million to the latest problem in myanmar, thats if their chinese inspired dictatorship lets it thru. next highest country giving is japan, 62.5 million. i think UAE is giving 50,000, saudis, zero. you want to look up what france, britain, germany are giving? canada? ha ha ha.
once again the peaceniks are wrong, dead wrong, wrong enough to be useful as reverse barometers to show us what NOT to do. you think your peace loving ways helped the millions who pol pot slaughtered? the vietnamese boat people lost at sea? the hundreds of thousands of south vietnamese who died or were tortured in the concentration camps? the ones who committed suicide on the north vietnamese invasion? if we listened to you people, we would be speaking german, japanese, chinese or russian by now. yeah, peaceniks were real useful in world war two. real useful in the armenian genocide and jewish holocaust. how about when saddam was busy gassing the kurds? yeah you were a big help then. 10,000 africans a day were being slaughtered for a hundred days while clinton was president. i didnt hear a peep from you people at the time. spare me the america bashing, its the reason you are here, safe, have food to eat, a warm/cool place to sleep, a car to drive and gas to put in it. you want to f it up with a clown like obama, fine. you may soon get the chance to enjoy the terrorists close up, in your own neighborhood, soon. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 9:35:57 AM |
there's a place called normandy, its got a lot of white crosses and jewish star headstones, know why?
For the same reasons those Canadian military cemeteries near Juno beach exist ? | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 9:45:44 AM | trapper jon who was that a rant at?
JFK helped escalate the cuban missile crisis but I don't think that was the point the poster was making, I read it as support for Obama's age and lack of experience.
why is "international per capital donations" crap?
The donations? are we talking about the earthquake? it's only just happened I don't think you can criticise countrys for their aid effort just yet.
who are the peaceniks? and isn't war fought with the goal of peace? (the end of the war nobody would want to enter a perpetual state of war).
I think you will find a lot of people spoke out about the genocides in Africa, maybe you just didn't listen.
as for
spare me the america bashing, its the reason you are here, safe, have food to eat, a warm/cool place to sleep, a car to drive and gas to put in it.
in your dreams! comments like that is part of the reason you have "america bashing'. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 9:56:05 AM |
jfk was crapping his pants for the cuban "missile" crisis. we are the ones who gave in, taking our missiles out of turkey, unreported by the dem friendly time-life and nyt groups
Obsolete Jupiter missiles In Turkey... Our Military wanted to pull those out anyway...
We should all be glad JFK was Crapping his pant... He at the time did not know many of those Cuban missiles were armed.... The east coast might look a lot different today...
Bash Canadians ????
Why don’t you ask how many Canadians died in the Good War ...
Viet Nam???
Many Served... | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 9:58:10 AM |
as for aid, at this writing, we are giving 362 million to the latest problem in myanmar, thats if their chinese inspired dictatorship lets it thru. next highest country giving is japan, 62.5 million. i think UAE is giving 50,000, saudis, zero. you want to look up what france, britain, germany are giving? canada? ha ha ha.
Geez, if I were American, just about the last thing I'd boast about is foreign aid.
Other than Greece, The U.S. is the stingiest developed nation when it comes to giving aid to developing nations (both private and public donations). The vast majority of aid given (around 75%) comes with conditions that tie it to trade. What isn't tied to trade is given to develop strategic alliances (think it's a coincidence that U.S. aid to sub-Saharan Africa plummeted when the cold war ended?)
Have a look, see how far the U.S. has come in reaching their Millenium goals.
http://www.un.org/millenniumgoals/
American like to see themselves as the epitome of a developed nation, and if this is the case, then their pitiful contributions to the developing world can only be viewed as yet another manifestation of their deranged narcissism.
Don't worry, Canada isn't really all that much better (on average we only give about twice as much per capita than Americans - still pitifully cheap). | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 10:02:01 AM |
the arabs are laying low until our election is over. they know full well that a strong offensive on their part could sway the election. they want america to go back to sleep peacefully, so they will wait for now. if obama wins, they will resume activities then, if its mc cain, expect a harder reaction sooner.
Those who don't believe the above is true, go make friends with the Arabs and other Middle Easterners. Terrorists or not. They all know the score. Like I've said before, a few of my really good friends are Arabs. But, it doesn't take that to know.... all you need to do is .....
Go talk to college campus students. It's simply common knowledge. No real big secret.
This was the talk back in the early 1990s when I was in college. It came to pass and made me a true believer. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 10:56:58 AM | .
So canadian police terrorize demonstrators by provoking violence.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp5HOLvKn2I
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Posted: 5/12/2008 11:03:53 AM | So here is a thought...
If whatever the outcome of the election is do you think, not if it will happen, but think that certain people in power in certain circles have the marbles to stage an attack of some sort to sway public opinion on the state of the war and terrorism?
Hmmmmm... human history is full of insane power hungry people who have done such and worse.. no reason that that logic would disappear in this century.
Do I think the current Administration have already made destructive decisions that they knowingly endangered and killed innocent people to achieve this? No doubt in my mind.
Isn't that what a terrorist does? | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 11:56:00 AM |
ever been to france?
You mean that country that broke the British blockade in the colonial south & enabled a sucessful US revolution? The reason you now drink coffee instead of tea & warm beer?
Yep.
I've been there: beautiful country & nice folks (except the Paris, but all big cities are kinda rude to tourists). I sat on a beach w/ beautiful, topless women, drinking fantastic, inexpensive wine & was allowed more personal freedom than the US has seen in decades. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 12:01:01 PM | First, I dont think "the terrorists" are interested in hurting American people
Dam, you could have fooled me! Uh,...terrorism means the use of tactics directed at civilian populations to enforce political will.
By definition terrorism is all about huring American people in this case. You think bin Laden gives 2 craps about you? He would just as soon blow you up as he would make a sandwhich. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 12:02:41 PM | before answering if a terrorist attack would be easier with the democrats in office, you should think of the word 'terrorist' and its meaning.
according to Bush and those cowards, the US is fighting for freedom, fighting terrorism according to them. in Iraq you see innocent children and mothers being killed by the US forces (Iraq has nothing to do with Bin Laden and 11-9) yet the coward Bush states they are fighting terrorism.
on the other hand according to millions of people outside the US, Bush is the world's main terrorist, a real danger, a killer of freedom. many people outside the US think that 9-11 was a brave attack on american soil, against the american terrorism.
therefore, it depends on where you come from.
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Posted: 5/12/2008 12:16:07 PM |
on the other hand according to millions of people outside the US, Bush is the world's main terrorist, a real danger, a killer of freedom. many people outside the US think that 9-11 was a brave attack on american soil, against the american terrorism.
therefore, it depends on where you come from.
Then... whoever 'many people outside the US' are who think 9/11 was a brave attack'... may they never ever require our assistance... because if they feel as you stated, they do not deserve our help...in any shape/form/fashion...ever. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 12:53:10 PM | jedi girl
Then... whoever 'many people outside the US' are who think 9/11 was a brave attack'... may they never ever require our assistance... because if they feel as you stated, they do not deserve our help...in any shape/form/fashion...ever.
They're the people Bush is hunting down in "the war on terror", so I doubt they'll be asking for help anytime soon.
I assume pedro might be one as well as he constantly refers to Bush as a 'coward'.
pedro:
yet the coward Bush states they are fighting terrorism true bin laden was never there, but Bush is correct they are fighting terrorism in iraq (now). | |
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