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Posted: 5/12/2008 1:57:18 PM | Just trying to confuse the issues with a few facts.
Not all arabs are terrorists. Most Islamic Fundamental Terrorists are arabs, granted, but there are a few Muslims in the Far East who may not like the US image.
The main thrust of the Islamic Fundamental Terrorists aims are two fold. To bring the non conforming Islamic states into full compliance with the Shariya, and then the rest of the world. That's all.
The big threat in the Pakistani aresenal is it's medium range nukes. Medium range means it could hit small Jewish nations on the Med. A revolution in Pakistan by Islamic Fundamental Terrorists means they would be used by dinner time. Currently the nukes are stored in two separate pieces in different locations. ( I have their addresses here)
The US response was entirely predictable to wankers of any stripe parking planes in buildings. There is some evidence gathering that it was not anticipated or expected. That said Osama has reacted better to the new playing field than perhaps the US has.
The US continues to confuse combat with war. Awesome combat capabilites. Stellar troopies. But they don't take the Gold medal at winning a war. I know the flag wavers will jump down my throat for that one. But the wars are not won by the troops. The troops create the conditions for the other side to sue for peace. Vietnam and Iraq 2 are fine examples of the politicans not doing their jobs. Iraq 1 was a victory as there was a government left to barter with.
War is about peace.
Mankind has no issues with war. We have prefected our ability to kill each other in droves. Peace is an issue. It's promise is new. Give it a century or two.
The US currently has a hegenomy in conventional troops. It will not last.
Future wars are going to be fought in cyber space and in space itself. Before you poopoo that one think how crippling it would be to take out the GPS system. Think of at the SUVs that will get lost let alone guidance systems on weapons? This is why all 24 of them are in an MEO at 12,500.
We have other problems greater than these.
Sorry for spamming the thread with facts. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 2:22:54 PM | .
Peace?
Peace is joke. Never happen. There will always be "someone" out for the power grab since the beginning of time so shall it be till the end of time.
The only way to have peace is prosecute the perps.
The common citizen has nothing to gain from war, only the very wealthy. All we got is a doubling or prices on everything but our wages.
Their are only 2 ways to have peace.
1) prosecute and hang the perps that take people to war.
2) prosecute and hang the perps that take people to war.
Virtually every war since the beginning of time has been orchestrated but that attitutde doesnt do much for anyones flag waving ego on either side.
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Posted: 5/12/2008 2:32:15 PM | impetiousyoungman -
Not all arabs are terrorists This is not a fact it is an opinion, granted a sensible commonsense opinion, but still an opinion - no way of proving it.
The main thrust of the Islamic Fundamental Terrorists aims are two fold. To bring the non conforming Islamic states into full compliance with the Shariya, and then the rest of the world. That's all. again this isn't a fact it is an opinion, as far as I am aware Bin Laden has no desire to change the rest of the world he wants us dead! and as there are so many fundamental groups how can you possibly say that this "fact' refers to them all?
The big threat in the Pakistani aresenal is it's medium range nukes. Medium range means it could hit small Jewish nations on the Med. A revolution in Pakistan by Islamic Fundamental Terrorists means they would be used by dinner time. Currently the nukes are stored in two separate pieces in different locations. ( I have their addresses here) again opinion - except maybe the addresses depends where you got those addresses from, why not tell us?
The US response was entirely predictable to wankers of any stripe parking planes in buildings. There is some evidence gathering that it was not anticipated or expected. That said Osama has reacted better to the new playing field than perhaps the US has. erm...where's the facts here?
couldn't be bothered to go on....but, you have demonstrated one FACT - you have no idea what a FACT is. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 5:01:59 PM | Yes I say hang the terrorists from the highest tree in the country , That would be Bush, Cheney, Rice , Rumsfeld etc.
Ask yourselves a simple question why haven't their been any attacks on america since 911 ? Do you think that the "alleged" terrorists would have just had a plan to piss america off knowing it would start a war on their own country and then hide for eight years saying "Nanner, Nanner, Nanner ?"
Use your heads people !
Let's blow up a few buildings and run!!! Yeah that makes perfect sense? | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 5:18:50 PM | | ^^^That's why they call them sleeper cells. They're more patient than we are when it comes to action. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 6:05:59 PM | It seems that Americans will never grow out of the 'talk tough, act tougher' attitude.
I really do like America and what it used to stand for but it seems like the majority are stook in the past. The ego has grown to such an extent that you feel infalible.
Let me tell you, the only way is down.
History shows us that every empire is doomed to collapse and every one was because of over inflated egos.
The downward decline starts when the empire takes on the status of the playground bully and over extends itself. The slope becomes very slippery soon after.
Doesn't the majority of Americans realize you simple can't afford to keep going to war, there's not enough brass in your pockets.
In 5-10 years you'll be struggling to pay your social security let alone buy any guns. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 6:21:29 PM | Trapper I kind of agree with you and I think Al Qaeda is laying low except for in Iraq..still terrorizing our troops and the Iraqi people.
I think Al Qaeda watches the US very carefully and will be looking to see IF a Democrat wins in November because it could mean a real change in our National Security.. as in less.. many of our counter-terrorism tools will be disposed of hence opening up the door for less security and more terrorist activity not being intercepted.
Personally I wish National Newspapers would not announce/publicize our Security operations/tools to the world some things are better left classified and not public knowledge. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 7:03:25 PM | What`s the terror alert for today anyway? Is it yellow, red ,blue,polka dot? | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 7:15:13 PM |
Booyah!!!
The Al Qaeda made one fatal mistake. You dont go running into a roadhouse and piss in the biggest biker's beer. Yer gonna get flattened.
When they pulled that 9/11 crap they awoke a sleeping giant. Iraq down, 3 to go.
3 basic rules in life;
a. dont go screaming the N word in Harlem, yer gonna get slam dunked
b. dont piss in the Hells Angels beer, yer gonna get sliced and diced
c. dont attack the US on its own soil, yer gonna lose yer country
Did anyone point out to this mouth-breather that Iraq had zero involvement in 9/11. That Saddam Hussien was in fact an American ally and used american chemical weapons to gas all those Kurds that he was hung as a war criminal for? You know because he didn't like Iran either.
Really you should fully understand a situation before attempting to meddle.
terrorism — The calculated use of unlawful violence or threat of unlawful violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological. See also antiterrorism; combating
terrorism; counterterrorism; force protection condition; terrorist; terrorist groups. (JP 3-07.2)
terrorist — An individual who commits an act or acts of violence or threatens violence in
pursuit of political, religious, or ideological objectives. See also terrorism. (JP 3-07.2)
terrorist group — Any number of terrorists who assemble together, have a unifying relationship, or are organized for the purpose of committing an act or acts of violence or threatens violence in pursuit of their political, religious, or ideological objectives. See also terrorism. (JP 3-07.2)
Ok so the US gov't desired a change in gov't in Iraq, so they threatened and then invaded on trumped up grounds. Sounds pretty unlawful to me, making GWB worse than a hick bully now he is a terrorist. I hope he likes Gitmo and has plenty of time to "re-consider" his torture support stand. Sad thing is by those definitions that makes the whole of the US military unwitting terrorists as well. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 7:44:50 PM | @ Andy
Thanks for your interpretation of the facts. Granted, I haven't been able to find them at the supermarket checkout stands with your um, facts.
You r opinions of my facts is also an opinion.
Entertaining, albeit wrong. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 8:36:29 PM |
Ok so the US gov't desired a change in gov't in Iraq, so they threatened and then invaded on trumped up grounds. Sounds pretty unlawful to me, making GWB worse than a hick bully now he is a terrorist. I hope he likes Gitmo and has plenty of time to "re-consider" his torture support stand. Sad thing is by those definitions that makes the whole of the US military unwitting terrorists as well.
Actually...many in the Clinton Administration including Bill Clinton himself believed that Iraq needed to be a Democratic State.. problem was..no one in that administration had the ba!!s to go to the UN like Bush and Blair did.. Clinton bombed Iraq in 1998 supposedly bombing WMD..but who knows what he bombed during all those months.
I think the jury is still out as to whether Saddam had ties to Al Qaeda, training camps..etc.. that is not to say that Saddam had anything to do with 9/11/01..I think it's important to note that our Military went immediately to Afghanistan directly after 9/11/01 and never left, we are still there.. The entire time we've been in Iraq.. we've had troops in Afghanistan... some people would like us to believe that the Bush administration took their "eye off the ball" when in fact we've been doing double duty..multi-tasking.. what an amazing military we have. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 8:51:55 PM | | First let me set you stright.... The "Terrorists" were NOT from Iraq. There were no WMD's,we were all fed the fear factor to get us in the war that Bush and his friends had decided on. And NO I do not think if the Dems win we're soft.... just smart. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 8:57:30 PM | | No one said the Terrorists were from Iraq.. there is evidence that Saddam was harboring terrorists. If there were no WMD in Iraq do you think that Clinton bombed all the WMD in 1998? or what do you think he bombed? and if Clinton did bomb WMD in 1998 why didn't Saddam turn over weapons documentation to the United Nations? it would have saved alot of trouble. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 9:26:20 PM | .
cough...
ok so members of the fdr administration thought russia needed a change of scenery too and members of the bush administration think that chavez needs to go too, in fact the cia already pulled off one successful coup and outted him but the people put him right back in before they could waste him quietly.
I think your house needs to be rearranged too does that give me the authority to do so? America now has the authority to attack sovereign nations? glam you speak like a true neocon.
The problem with WMD's is now that they have been used on this country it will take several years to clean the mess up even with the use of WME's.
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Posted: 5/12/2008 9:50:21 PM | I want one person here to be able to say they were in Iraq prior to 9/11. Because... know what??? We had boots on the ground there. Know what else? Terrorists were there. I believe my friends. I believe the people I served with and yes, even at my age, I know military personnel who were there, are there, have been there, etc. etc. Doesn't mean that a 57 year old cannot know a 20 or 30, etc. year old.
Here's what I do NOT believe...
That the terrorists are confined to one Middle East area.
That the media reports the truth all the time.
That the media is totally unbiased.
Here's what I DO believe...
That Sadaam had something major to hide from the UN.
That the UN chicken sheeeted out.
That the UN is the New World Order and that the USA is pulling more and more away from them.
That we are the rogue Nation. The multi-colored hair/eyes/skin step child of the World.
That if we let our guard down again, we will be hit big time...
If we try to play nicey nicey/diplomatically with the terrorists, they will laugh as they bomb us.
That they (terrorists) are watching and waiting this election year. Very closely. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 9:51:24 PM | Ironman said:
Doesn't the majority of Americans realize you simple can't afford to keep going to war, there's not enough brass in your pockets.
Really. Thanks for warning us Paul Reveere. We learned this from your country's example.
It seems that Americans will never grow out of the 'talk tough, act tougher' attitude.
Do you see the hypocracy in that statement? Remember Tony Blair's build up to war or is that beyond your short term memory? Tread lightly when you are talking about your closest relative. We're a lot like you. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2008 3:28:28 AM |
Actually...many in the Clinton Administration including Bill Clinton himself believed that Iraq needed to be a Democratic State.. problem was..no one in that administration had the ba!!s to go to the UN like Bush and Blair did
How about you turn the US into a democracy first. And I don't see GWB "having the balls" to take on China and turn them into a democracy, so he's not just a terrorist. He's a spineless bully looking for some "little guy" to start some $hit with to make himself look bigger, meaner, and occasionally competent at something.... anything. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2008 3:41:31 AM |
I think Al Qaeda watches the US very carefully and will be looking to see IF a Democrat wins in November because it could mean a real change in our National Security.. as in less.. many of our counter-terrorism tools will be disposed of hence opening up the door for less security and more terrorist activity not being intercepted.
I don't understand why you think that just because a democrat gets in office that automatically they'll wipe clean any counter-terrorism measures and leave our doors wide open for attack. I have said it already on this thread, anyone sitting in that seat will do whatever they can to protect us. Why on earth would you think they wouldn't?
And I'm sorry, Saddam didn't have a lot to hide. He wanted us to think he had a lot to hide, that was part of his game.
I agree those who wish to harm us are watching everything very closely....but they watch us very closely every day. And also as I've said before on this thread, I think terrorism is best defeated with making right what's wrong. That does not mean sitting down and talking to Al Qaeda or Hezbullah (sp) or Hamas. But it does mean approaching all world matters with some semblance of reason. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2008 5:20:32 AM | >>>This is not a fact it is an opinion, granted a sensible commonsense opinion, but still an opinion - no way of proving it.
Are....are you serious?
Dude, find one Arab- ask if he's a terrorist, and check his criminal record- it clean? Congrats- you've now proven that not ALL Arabs are terrorists.....
Is it an opinion if I were to say that not all Norwegians are terrorists? That not all Mexicans are criminals? That not all Australians smell like car exhaust? Is it an opinion if I were to say that not all Jews are accountants, and not all white people read? | |
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Posted: 5/13/2008 5:49:38 AM | jiperly
find one Arab- ask if he's a terrorist, and check his criminal record- it clean? Congrats- you've now proven that not ALL Arabs are terrorists.....
first my point was about definition of facts, not an attack against arabs. But just because an arab has clean criminal record doesn't mean s/he isn't part of a sleeper cell and asking if he is a terrorists - I'm guessing, but I think terrorists would say "no" as well as innocent arabs. The point was about being able to prove the statement.
and impetiousyoungman - yes that was my opinion and you are welcome. albeit correct. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2008 6:53:44 AM |
But it does mean approaching all world matters with some semblance of reason.
Maybe like NOT supporting the repressive regime that generated the ACTUAL terrorists responsible for 9/11 instead of quietly flying them out of the US & continuing to do business w/ the same country who's population probably has the highest % of repressed radical fundamentalists in the whole middle east?
That would be a good start! | |
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Posted: 5/13/2008 7:10:10 AM |
How about you turn the US into a democracy first.
Oh no! May as well leave it as it is then.
How about we turn it in the "Republic" it was intended to be instead?
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Posted: 5/13/2008 7:20:34 AM |
.... welcome to the NEOCON circle jerk thread .....
nice label...Neocon=not recognized by our so called enlightened school of thought,
so obviously not worth consideration...right.
How about adressing the topic by presenting a view using a reasonable presentation of a point,based on some substantative point pertaining to the topic,using a little logic and reason,rather than pc namecalling.Is that the only way anyone knows how to present a point,"they don't agree with me so they must be stupid"
No wonder I lost interest in these threads.political stereotyping is such a bore. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2008 7:35:42 AM |
Yes I say hang the terrorists from the highest tree in the country , That would be Bush, Cheney, Rice , Rumsfeld etc.
Ladies, if ya want an intelligent man, look no further than the man who wrote that statement of fact.
Their are only 2 ways to have peace.
1) prosecute and hang the perps that take people to war.
2) prosecute and hang the perps that take people to war.
I heard on the radio the other day a good idea would be to take the leaders who start the wars and put their asses on the front lines. If it works or not, we'd sure eliminate a bunch of scumbags!
c. don't attack the US on its own soil, yer gonna lose yer country
Does that mean we're going to lose the U.S., since 9-11 was an inside job? | |
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Posted: 5/13/2008 11:54:06 AM | "true Bin Laden was never there, but Bush is correct they are fighting terrorism in Iraq now"
so to invade a country, to kill innocent people for oil means you are fighting terorism? well we have just discovered a new meaning of the word terrorism.
what is the difference between people who were killed in 9/11, and those children who are killed by the US forces in Iraq? maybe you see some difference under your north american point of view, however, under mine they have the same value, they are innocent people killed by terrorists called Bin Laden and Bush.
why did Bush invade Iraq? to fight terrorism? then you should agree with the US being invaded as the the world's main terrorist does not dwell in Pakistan or Afganistan but in the US! just imagine USA being invaded by both China and Russia to kick the world's main terrorist out. or perhaps USA invaded because of oil.
you should agree, for you seem to be very interesting in fighting terrorism and freeing the world!
by the way, i am NOT in any way a supporter of the terrorist Bin Laden, PLEASE! but that does not mean i am forced to love and agree with the other terrorist, Bush.
i hate and detest any terrorist who kill innocent people, Bin Laden, Bush or whatever the hell they are called. | |
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