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| Been married for 20 years, feel empty.
Posted: 5/20/2008 6:36:45 PM | | wow, some people just don't practice what they preach do they? Guess the "try to work it out" mantra doesn't apply to herself. ROFLMMFAO. | |
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| Been married for 20 years, feel empty.
Posted: 5/20/2008 6:52:00 PM | | I was where you are 9 years ago and left and now it has been harder and lonelier than I would have ever imagined. So think carefully before you make a jump. | |
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| Been married for 20 years, feel empty.
Posted: 5/21/2008 12:56:26 AM | WALLFLOWER
lol you have the nerve to post this hypocritical crap after all you posted on here to others and ripped them? omg oh poor you
try using your own advice:
Some adults who never grow up still need that kick in the ass*.
Get over it... and yourself.
Don't you feel like a mouse in the field... and all of those crows are sitting on the powerlines, beady eyes alert, waiting for you to surface....to make a squeak!
SQUEAK!!!!
They descend on you and try to rip you to pieces....but...we do run fast when we see the black hordes coming.
Ahhhh...that's their life, eh?
To all of super's homies....
This thread is becoming a hamster wheel....
You will argue until the pigs come home....ooops...the cows.
Just know that the silent majority is for honesty, integrity, honour, strength and
justice will prevail. I will not stop with the way that I express myself. If people don't like it, well...get some spine.
When your mother or father had enough of your whininess, I will bet dollars to doughnuts that they were sharp with their words to you and you cleaned up your act fast! Some adults who never grow up still need that kick in the ass*.
Get over it... | |
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| Been married for 20 years, feel empty (LOOK A LITTLE DEEPER UNDER THAT SHAKY GROUND AND RE-FOCUS!)
Posted: 5/21/2008 1:32:22 AM | Dear Mrs. 
In one of my previous thread starters I asked people if they were with 'Mr. Right, or Mr. Wrong' (then I added.. 'Or ' Mr. Right Now'!!!??) Relationship experts have lists of questions for a person to ask himself/(herself) if he was truely fullfilled** being with the person he chose to be with. Here is one Author's list....
IS HE "MR. RIGHT"... OR "MR. WRONG"?
* What am I getting out of this relationship?
* How is this bringing joy to my life?
* How am I growing and becoming a better person
as a result of this relationship?
* Do I feel safe? Respected? Loved?
* Do we share attraction and chemistry?
* Are my needs being met (emotional, physical,
mental, spiritual)?
* Is he faithful?
* Do I feel happy and fulfilled more than I feel
unhappy or frustrated?
* Does this relationship allow me to be true to
myself... my values, beliefs, spirit, etc?
* Do we have similar life goals and dreams?
* If my best friend were in this relationship, what
would I tell HER to do?
* If this relationship were to end, would I truly be sad
about losing him, or sad that he's not the person I
wanted him to be?
This list appears to be very self centered and focused just on one person, 'what am I getting out of it',' is it meeting my needs'? I look at it in a totally different way.. and focus it on 'What can I give** in this relationship'? 'How can I bring* smiles and help to make it better and loving'? 'How can I bring out the Best* in that other person,support who they are and what do they desire'?
For all of these needs to be met positively 100% on both* sides.. I'd say this was an ideal* healthy loving Relationship according to what people expect* it to be..... which would be wonderful.. But, life happens! People change, circumstances change. To base all of your happiness on one person and expecting them to meet all your needs, give you all the desires of your heart at all times, I think puts to much pressure on the relationship. Because no body is perfect!!
For years. I (and many others) beleived that there is just 'one' Mr. Right/Ms. Right' and many Mr./Ms. Wrongs!! But, through the years while observing other peoples relationships as well as my own... I don't think that person is a Reality, but a Fantasy of what we all would wish* for someone to be.
I know couples that brag about how many years they've been together,and it all looks good on the outside.. but behind the scenes... 'they aren't truely together'.. all that a marraige is, should be.. has diminshed... and they are very unhappy!! But, continue to stay in the marraige,tolerate the loss of love, intimacy,communication and enjoyment they used to have with one another. Why? Low self esteem? Insecurity? Comfort Zone? Financial Reasons?
And, at the same time.. I've seen couples that's also stayed together for years and years and are affectionate, still go on dates**, enjoy each others company, laugh**and still got that 'fire' goin!! I didn't say they never have disagreements. or got the best of the best that life has to offer.. But they are Happy*** They know how to make it work! They accept each other for 'who' they are... weakness' and all. Real love is not based on performance. It's unconditional. Though there is inperfections, It doesn't focus on the bad. It looks for the good. It encourages, edifies and lifts up the other person. It thinks the best!
I understand your pain and can see where you are growing weary.... Re-read your post.. some of the answers to your problems are surfaced there.
1) you dont like change*
2) You care to much about what other people think about your marraige.
3) you view your husband as a child, therefore he may see you as a 'mother'..
4) you look like you are focusing to much attention on your past and looking for excuses to bail out, so others won't look down on you.
5) Why are you allowing your husbands depression/ drinking affect you and destroying your confidence and joy?
6) as a christian we need to look to God for our self esteem. The real meaning of being a christian has nothing to do with being 'religious'!! It's about relationship* and allowing God to change us, so we have something to give to someone else.
7) we can't change anyone, But God can change us so much that it won't bother us when the other person is acting/ doing stuff that would normally bother us.
The choice is yours. Of course God doesn't like divorce. But, he also doesnt like us to be sad and hurt all the time, and stay with someone who has that affect on us.
I'd say either re-focus on what you may be doing wrong that is negatively affecting this relationship and ask God to heal your broken heart, change you and stop treating your husband as a child. Your his wife!! Love that man!!! or... if you just cant...then move on.... but don't get in another relationship until you get better., otherwise you will bring the same patterns into the new one.. and not get better until you let go of 'being right' and are willing to change. And, re-focus on making that man happy.. and you know what will happen??? You will be getting happier and happier, your confidence will go up, and you will affect those around you in a positive way, causing them to want to change and be happy to.. It works!! Pour that love on... even the dryest ground will come back to life again....
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| Been married for 20 years, feel empty.
Posted: 5/21/2008 1:34:10 AM | Not there now dear, but I was. My advice to you is to get out now.....I too waisted 20yrs....I was 48 when I left....haven't found "Mr Right" yet, but I'm determined to hang in there till I do. Your not doing yourself any favors by staying, believe me. When you've given yourself for that long & been denyed a "normal" life (ie: sleeping in seperate beds) then you can truely walk away & say...."I gave it my best shot" & NEVER LOOK BACK!!! Good luck to you & I pray you don't waist any more time....
We deserve better!!! I know I do & I WILL FIND HIM!!!   | |
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| Been married for 20 years, feel empty.
Posted: 5/21/2008 4:51:16 AM | | all i can say to u is it does get better i no u keep hearing that they used to say it to me, but wen u stop looking it does come along eventually, | |
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| Been married for 20 years, feel empty.
Posted: 5/21/2008 6:24:58 PM | | ever think the guy may be fronting?one of two things,the years of drugs and alcohol dropped his testosterone level to the point where he cannot have sex,or he was gay all along and used you for show.why waste a pwood in the morning?perhaps you should get tested.another point,being from indianna,i was wondering about you occasional slanguage,perhaps you are looking for brotherly love,being da bomb,and a'rght and stop hatin.nothing wrong with that,but i noticed these points where never brought up!you may want to get tested for aids. | |
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| Been married for 20 years, feel empty.
Posted: 7/24/2008 12:40:52 PM | This is not a got-cha or revenge, mylife is good, but something to think about, do you want to start a new relationship on lies. Heck could of shaved my chest and showed you my ab’s in front of a friends Corvette wearing a borrowed Rolex. Only responding because she canceled her account, was given a heads up and logged in to check it out.
Get real, stay real
Trying to keep this to the point but here is the truth, she was hurt working for the county in 2001 and they refused all care, illegal, but it is what happened. A doctor known for over prescription ( we found out later) was the only doctor that would see her. For her a long battle with Vicoden addiction ensued. It was a massive monster of a thing, that consumed our lives with the battle. I was never involved or condoned buying or use, which forced her to lie, cheat, steal to supply her addiction. Paid for rehab 20K did not take, kind of hard when her mother is supplying her. My moral code says stick it out to the end, what ever it takes, take care of yours, take care of the love of your life.
She surprised me with bills in the six figures, guess it was crashing down, my suggestion was BK, but she wanted a re-fi of the house. This was quite a battle, I understood the market/down turn, only agreed to the arrangements if there were 10 months mortgage payments in the bank. On the day of signing, he brought the papers to the house, when we let him in, she left the room ( Hmm strange I thought). That is when I was told about her credit and the need to be taken off the deed (have found out this is BS, I’m thinking set-up). Something seemed very strange, my stomach was saying don’t do it. But I trusted her, she loves me, how bad could it be.
Next morning she informed me that there were more bills that she forgot about and we would not have the extra twenty five K for the house. Stayed on her, trying to keep up with cash flow, with so many years practice and help from her family. Money ended up in her mom’s accounts , bills were not paid, and bills not paid were filed for suit, which forced a BK.
When the checks to her family were found, contacted my daughter, her response was “EYES OPEN?” then she proceeded to tell how we had been split up, how the lies were from the first day’s. Comes down to how Dad had been worked and manipulated for twenty plus years. Dumb ass, so blind in love
After she left, all business files(piles of trash in boxes, I should call them) were found purged (have found enough to understand how they did it), billing or paper work had not been done at all starting in 5/2006 some billing/paper work had not been done back to 2004. Called Mortgage Company told them what was going on and asked for a deferment, was told this was not an option. Process was started for forcloser; When told she laughed and said “well glad it is only in your name”. House was lost, between a quarter and a half million went to drugs use, I paid all of BK cost;s and pay off, I paid all bills left, I pay all screw ups that pop up from time to time. All this I have wrote is on paper in black and white an public records. This just what i am willing to put to public record, much more is known.
Moral: Be careful who you tango with | |
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| Been married for 20 years, feel empty.
Posted: 7/24/2008 1:06:06 PM | i hate to sound like the eternal rebelrousin' iconoclast but here goes:
WTF are you up here? This was supposed to be for those who are single, seeking and wanting a relationship, or something like that. Not that it is in the exclusive province of sngl ppls but darn when does the madness stop??!!
You should be consulting with someone who is uniquely equipped to assist you in this trying time. To consult relative strangers and want to base your future actions upon their words is truly cheating yourself, and you are trying to place the blame of your own subsequent activities on someone else. Far easier to place the blame on someone else, that way you dont fully own up to anything that goes wr ong. But remember: you have to own up to 50% of anything you get yourself into. Remember you get what you pay for in life, nothing worth anything is free, be it common sense, personal growth, fortune or fame or infamy. You put in, you take out. | |
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| Been married for 20 years, feel empty.
Posted: 7/24/2008 1:10:45 PM | i hate to sound like the eternal rebelrousin' iconoclast but here goes:
WTF are you up here for? This was supposed to be for those who are single, seeking and wanting a relationship, or something like that. Not that it is in the exclusive province of sngl ppls but darn when does the madness stop??!!
You should be consulting with someone who is uniquely equipped to assist you in this trying time. To consult relative strangers and want to base your future actions upon their words is truly cheating yourself, and you are trying to place the blame of your own subsequent activities or inadequacies on someone else. Far easier to place the blame on someone else, that way you dont fully own up to anything that goes wr ong. But remember: you have to own up to 50% of anything you get yourself into. Remember you get what you pay for in life, nothing worth anything is free, be it common sense, personal growth, fortune or fame or infamy. You put in, you take out.
And come back when you are single, or the dust has settled.
have a goood one
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| Been married for 20 years, feel empty.
Posted: 7/24/2008 1:19:31 PM | | In the very same situation. and often people say just get out. I have been married 40 years. But 20 of it i should not have been here. the drinking sounds so much the same. we tried marriage counseling. But that didn't work. Love for him died many years ago. And like you ! You can't get it back. It isn't fair we stay trapped in loveless marriages. I too was in church many of those years. Financially i could not get out either. Now i have a disability and can't afford to be on my own. My two birth kids are both in their 30's. But age 50 i became mom again. Not to one that i gave birth too. But a great nephew .So now i can not possibly get out. There are men that don't mind seeing us ! But you can very easy fall in love with most likely a player. Just be careful. I understand your frustration completely. Your still young ! If you can see a way out ?? Please take it. You don't deserve sitting there in that kind of marriage. we deserve to be loved as much as these on here looking for love. Can parents help you ?? Mine have passed so that isn't an option for me now. Plus i am on disability and could not afford to be on my own. But i crave loving and caring.. If you ever want to chat with me ?? Just contact me. | |
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| Been married for 20 years, feel empty.
Posted: 7/24/2008 1:25:35 PM | I was responding to a former Single members poor me story, which did not transfer the quote. Soorrryyy.
It is a good relainship lesson. So Will paste it below
Lesson is tell the truth, if you want to start your life a-new
Here is post from page 3
siksikaaakii
Joined: 8/5/2007
Msg: 60
Been married for 20 years, feel empty.
Posted: 5/12/2008 3:35:23 PM
I was in sort of the same situation. I'm 45 and was married, still married and waiting for papers, for 23 years. I had finally realised at one point early on in the marraiage that I TRUSTED HIM. What a great feeling. I felt secure. I would get that funny feeling in my stomach every once in a while, but I would just set it aside and not pursue it, why cause trouble when it's probably just me having PMS (poor me syndrome). I should have followed my instincts. I had been ignoring my insticts.
He slowly started sleeping in the front room on the floor (futon mattress) because he said I moved around too much. Then it just got easier for him to stay out there. He would come in the bedroom in the am to cuddle and that stoped. Mind you every thing else was fine. We even talked about fixing up the other room as his and how sexy it would be to set up "dates". No problem, seemed OK to me. He slept in the front room for 8 years.
He had asked me to set up his credit online. I had started on my pc and thought that I did not want the junk mail so I went in to his to register him. I couldnt get on. We never kept passwords and if we did, we each had full access. I called him on the Nextel, he hesitated. I knew something was up. Well, I pretended that I could not understand him and got his password. I got into his mail and found nothing but emails from his daughter in Texas telling him about the babys. An email just came in and it said "Aug. baby pics". I had not seen them yet so I opened it to find this:
"Lucy has a feel that somethings up she is really on and watching, So I went to storage pulled account numbers from bank accounts when her money was in office, My accountant told me what to look for. Am going to have statements send to a friends house, did some cash jobs, might start a safety account, but need to wait for BK to be posted so as not to lie, seems shitty to me but what else can I do, hate being sneaky just not my style. "
That's how I found out. That is the first I knew about his plans to leave me with nothing. This happened three weeks after we refied the house and he had my name removed. Three weeks after we filed for the bankruptcy.
This is just a small bit of what has happened to me/us. Much more was found on his pc after I had found the first letter. You see, I could not just pick up and leave or kick him out. I was on disability only getting 640.00 a month at that time and had not been planning to leave him so I had no "savings". I had to stay in that house with him until Nov 1st 06. At that time I left with my clothes, the mattress (my bed), a desk, tv and crafting supplies. That's it. Everything else I picked up at yard sales and Goodwill to furnish my home. While there I opened up his pc to remote access and was able to log everything. Every website like SUN-TZU: THE PRINCIPLES OF WARFARE
"THE ART OF WAR" Chapter One: Calculations tips on playing with peoples minds, or mens magazine on line "how to get your wife or girlfriend to leave without telling them to". I also found out that HE WAS SIGNED UP ON A DATING SITE WAY BEFORE I FOUND ANY OF THIS OUT.
So if you would like to talk, email me. Just be honest with yourself and with your partner. For you guys to be in separte rooms, things have been falling apart for a while and you have chosen not to deal with the pain of it all. It was not easy for me to leave. With all of that info on him and everything he was doing, it was still hard to leave. And I agree with those that have said that | |
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| Been married for 20 years, feel empty.
Posted: 7/24/2008 7:25:58 PM |
In the very same situation. and often people say just get out. I have been married 40 years. But 20 of it i should not have been here. the drinking sounds so much the same. we tried marriage counseling. But that didn't work. Love for him died many years ago. And like you ! You can't get it back. It isn't fair we stay trapped in loveless marriages. I too was in church many of those years. Financially i could not get out either. Now i have a disability and can't afford to be on my own. My two birth kids are both in their 30's. But age 50 i became mom again. Not to one that i gave birth too. But a great nephew .So now i can not possibly get out. There are men that don't mind seeing us ! But you can very easy fall in love with most likely a player. Just be careful. I understand your frustration completely.
I find this sooo disgusting I can't even hardly reply. I am trying to control what I really want to say. All you disgusting b itches that rely on a man to take care of you, but yet you are out there f ucking around, god, I can't even say what I wish would happen to you. HE'S a player? Pardon me? You are one disgusting human being.
YOU can't possibly get out? Yeah, you can. YOU just don't want to. Too f ucking easy to live with a man that will take care of you, while you f uck around on him. OMG
What's not really fair, is some poor guy taking care of your nasty ass, while you screw around. God, you are so disgusting!!!! | |
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| Been married for 20 years, feel empty.
Posted: 7/24/2008 7:40:25 PM | | I wonder if the women who claim they can't afford to leave their loveless marriage (because they can't survive on their own, financially) consider just how tough it will be to, to be faced with having to figure out how to do it - when their husband comes to find out they're surfing around on a dating site; looking for "love" with another man. | |
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| Been married for 20 years, feel empty.
Posted: 7/24/2008 8:04:14 PM |
I too was in church many of those years
What I really love is people throwing in the church card. Do you really think that makes you look good? Guarantee you, it doesn't in god's eyes, or anyone else that has any sense. One of the reasons you can get a divorce in the bible is infidelity. I do believe, it also states you can't keep committing the same sins, and expect to be forgiven. But, you know, just because you go to church, makes you a good person..... hardly. But, I guess some do still believe that. I do know the bible, even though I'm not religious, and it's easy to fool people who don't know the bible.  | |
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| Been married for 20 years, feel empty.
Posted: 7/24/2008 8:22:30 PM | I was married for 27 years to an alcoholic. I had to get out, stayed way too long for the kids
dont stay. take kids and make new life. Life is too short.
Its been hard, horrible and my kids are not young anymore, nor am I.
they hate that i broke the family apart. they dont know i was dying and fading away.
I am single, been hurt terribly by a single male ***hole. but I will date and find myself again,despite my kids and my family.
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| Been married for 20 years, feel empty.
Posted: 7/24/2008 9:00:36 PM | You said it yourself. Your with a child of a man. I believe that kids get a bad lesson when they live through a dead marriage. Better to come from a broken home than to live in one.
I was married for over 10 years to a grown man that acted like a child. He always had money to spend at the bar and denied the family the basic needs, because he needed the money for the bar. I was the only adult around. He would break my rules for the kids as fast as I set them. He didn't believe that kids should have chores, because his sister didn't give her kids chores. I was a servant in my own home. He would raise his fist to me. It was the drinking/ and his ego that got him mad at me.
I don't see you as thinking yourself as better than him. Your crying for help and guidance. A dating site is not the place for it. Yet, I hear you.
Well, you don't have child care issues. A child of 11 is legally allowed to be home alone. I wouldn't recommend it for long periods of time, but it's ok until you get home from work. you need a plan to break away. I know what your going through, it's misery.
There are better sites to contact than this one: It's called hidden hurt dot com. It's a site for anyone that were damaged by their other half.
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| Been married for 20 years, feel empty.
Posted: 7/25/2008 1:41:44 AM | I do sympathise, I would have hated to be in your situation, but I was lucky, my alcoholic , abusive husband and I split after 7 years and I have spent the majority of the last 14 years as a single parent. Its been great!
Being on your own is so empowering, though I wont pretend it has been lonely at times like Christmas and Holidays but its been worth it to have the love and respect of my 2 great kids. I know they would not have been so stable and happy, healthy minded people if their dad and his bad influences had been around; he stayed out of their lives in an effort to upset me but little does he know I was delighted about it, and the kids barely rememeber him now anyway.
You say your'e scared you'll never meet Mr Right. No you might not but it's not like you have Mr Right now either so whats to loose? Why is it so important to have a man in your life anyway? Financial concerns should not stop you, you'd battle through it and probably be happier even if you are poor again. Imagine yourself as a 75yr old still living with this abusive man and your grandchildren disprespecting you too....not a nice thought hey? Good Luck | |
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| Been married for 20 years, feel empty.
Posted: 7/25/2008 2:34:00 AM | Wutznot2love, I've read all your responses and I couldn't agree more. You didn't sugar coat and you told it like it is, I think you've ruffled many feathers and I love that!  I know every circumstance is unique and scary to the person/people involved but the posters first priority is her children and she let them down. How could she even think about bringing someone new into this mess? I totally understand how she could feel she's wasted part of her life so in my opinion, she should be fighting for the rest of her life. She can turn this into something good by fighting for herself and showing her kids you can work hard, be a good person and command better for yourself and your family. There's alot of good, wonderful people in these forums who speak from experience and just want to help. Don't expect to air your dirty laundry on here and not get honest feedback. What you get isn't always what you want to hear. | |
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| Been married for 20 years, feel empty.
Posted: 7/25/2008 4:43:45 AM | | Yes suck it up, and be a responsible mom to the 11 year old. If you still feel the way you do, consider a divorce afterwards. Poverty usually follows , the kids suffer. You end up wanting to date, which the kids wont understand, so first you take their dad away, then you leave them with a baby sitter. How about getting counseling? Oh here is a clue too, most all the friends you think you have will jump ship when you are single. You are not alone, but multiple wrongs dont make a right. Unless he is a danger to his kids, and I didnt read anything along those lines. If he is depressed it could be something physical, make him see a doctor, you sound depressed too. I doubt a divorce would solve your problems, No husband, I doubt most would find a freshley divorced, mom of four, that is depressed very attractive. After 20 yrs, and four kids doctors will tell you it will take you 4-5 yrs to emotionally be ready to date. Just ask yourself this are your kids better, or worse off with you married. Sacrifice, it is a word Americans have seemed to have lost, with the exception of our military men, and women, cops, and firemen. Good Luck, and be the best mom you can be, whether married, or divorced. | |
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| Been married for 20 years, feel empty.
Posted: 7/25/2008 4:43:49 AM | No actually, she might not ever meet Mr Right but she is with Mr Wrong now so anything is better than that surely. Blimey I dunno, is it just me or am I weird for feeling you dont have to have Mr Right or Mr Anyone for that matter in your life to be happy and complete? Great if it happens but the main thing is that we live our lives to the fullest whatever your situation.
Oh and to Deweylips Post No 272 I cant believe you even had the gall to write that. You think just because you are disabled you cant leave your marraige. So whats your husband then? Your carer? The money tree... And you cheat on him.....Lovely.... I hope he knows what you get up to. You sound a very very selfish person. | |
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| Been married for 20 years, feel empty.
Posted: 7/25/2008 6:20:15 AM | I did not read the many pages..........
Another wrong will not make the original wrong, right
There is no excuse....let me repeat that, no excuse, or valid reason to ever cheat.
You feel "empty" in your marriage?
Nothing, outside, the marriage will fill you up or make you whole....
except to put all your effort and energy into your marriage.
Or get out.
It did not get broken, all at once, but eroded with time......it will not, miraculously, heal it's self.
Abracadabra..poof, all better now.
Leeches, comes to mind and the fact y'all.....the cheating women on this thread....don't want to be "uncomfortable"....
Lazy and don't want to struggle, so you stay and suck not only your mate's time but his money.
You've wasted both, you and your husband's, time.
Invested your life in nothing.
When you saw your relationship dying...at that point, it would have been the time to crawl upon it and do some first aid......breathe some new life into it.
But instead, you focused on other things.
Seeking distractions.........where your mind goes, your body usually follows.
And who will want to have a relationship with you?
Your own "kind".........another cheater, liar, thief.........momentary, pleasures of the flesh and guess what.........
you will always come up empty.
Post 272.......What is wrong with you? 
It's great that you say on your profile, under first date........you will not get in the car with "him" on the first date.
And try to save your date the expense of pre-renting a motel room by warning them not to get one.
You are mobile enough to get out without your husbands assistance.....then you can make it on your own.
As far as your children........you equate less money with unhappy children....wrong.
So you warp them and stay.....
I don't think meadow rat but do think gutter rat.
Parasite and host.
I thought POF did not have "unfit"/undatable, people on the site?
I will suggest to you, what I suggested to my hubs, when I found out what nasty things he'd been up too........
Finish your old life before you try to get another one.
And as someone who's been cheated on and lied too.......what I didn't know still hurt me. And what he did had an impact on 100's of lives.
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| Been married for 20 years, feel empty.
Posted: 7/25/2008 10:08:27 AM | | young lady, the need to be happy is in everyone . if hubby won't go to counselling for drinking, separate beds says a lot about a relationship. maybe be talk to him when he is sober and see if a change can be aquired , if not a life of repression is yours until u change your status.seek a counsellor yourself first; if needed than follow sane plans to happiness and being loved and respected. | |
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| Been married for 20 years, feel empty.
Posted: 8/22/2008 4:36:38 PM | | you are some stupid people,the women is a ho,her kids are f'd up and she is looking for another sucker to take them all in while she sucks the life and money out of him. | |
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