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 Mutt and Jeff

Joined: 6/11/2008
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animal vs human intelligence
Posted: 7/5/2008 12:04:25 PM
We can be as finely attuned to our environment as “animals” are.

Our problem is that we over-think everything. “Thinking” is not appropriate for every situation; it’s just another tool.

Simply being able to just “sit” and be “aware” (listening, seeing, and feeling without “analyzing”) of what is going on around us at any given moment allows one to be more present and part of it all; e.g. animals can sense danger (when everything goes quiet) because they are “listening” and not always busy “thinking”.
 Jiperly

Joined: 8/30/2006
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animal vs human intelligence
Posted: 7/5/2008 6:50:21 PM
>>>I am pretty sure that if you mounted a toilet flush handle in the elevator, which made the elevator go up to the 16th floor, the dog would have been pushing the handle all day long. Are not you?

Sounds to me like '16' is a low number on the elevator buttons- if you claim the dog had the kind of intelligence that me and neighbor claim is required from an animal to be equal or superior to humans, wouldn't it be able to hit the buttons itself? What proof do you have that the dog even understood concepts of floors? Couldn't it simply understand the concept of "bark to get the door to open"? I've taught my dog that trick too- that doesn't mean it's challenging my level of intelligence- it simply means that the dog was encouraged at certain situations to get our attention through positive reinforcement.

Now, if the dog couldn't reach the buttons, and on its own, discovered that if it pushed a chair into the elevator, hopped on, and discovered which button was 16- all on its own- that's the level of intelligence you'd like us to believe animals have- but they do not have it- someone had to teach the animal through weeks and months of training that "this is what you do to get in and out of the building"- it wasn't something the dog discovered- it was something the dog LEARNED.

>>>See my thread "Do you remember yourself before 1 year old?". Lots of people do.

Not to get off topic, but could you seriously prove that what you claimed happened actually did? Or is it just as likely that it could be something as simple as a dream or a story you were told once that you misinterpreted as memories?

And, of course, the clear truth is, no- you cannot prove the dates of memories or even the fact that memories are real- pretty weak defense.
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