| Bob Barr and the Libertarian Party
Posted: 5/28/2008 3:32:24 PM | "come out supporting decriminalization of all drugs and prostitution, legalization of gay marriage, or abortion rights."
These are not really libertarian issues, especially not the last two. Don't get me wrong, I support the full legalization of all drugs and prostitution and think government should have no role in marriage, but these are among the least important issues.
The Libertarian Party in America has traditionally shot itself in the foot by making drug decriminalization their number 1 campaign issue.
Far more important than these social issues are... you know...
foreign and domestic policy.
I agree. Probably the most important issue is monetary policy. Only Ron Paul has any interest in discussing it, but unfortunately I can't support his solution. At least he's willing to talk about the problem. | |
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| Bob Barr and the Libertarian Party
Posted: 5/29/2008 12:41:54 AM |
Barr is nothing but a LINO. Libertarian In Name Only! When he was a member of congress his stance on almost everything that sets the Libertarians apart from the other two was always with the GOP. He is NOT a Libertarian in any way whatsosever.
That could be. He says he's sorry for voting for stuff like the Patriot Act, and surprisingly enough, after he left Congress (where he was one of the worst Drug Warriors) he became a lobbyist for the Marijuana Policy Project, an off-shoot of NORML. Is he merely slippery, or could he have had a sincere change of heart? Given his extremes on both sides of the pot issue, it's troubling I can't find any drug policy positions on his web site. He sounds truly remorseful for the Patriot Act...where's the remorse for gay marriage/Wiccans in the Army/[insert social conservative issue here]?
I don't know why he ran for their nomination because his political views do not reflect the Libertarian platform. Perhaps he has a book to sell and this will give him good PR.
If I were a Rep, and I wanted PR for myself, book deal/book selling, etc., the dumbest thing I could do is leave the Reps for a fringe party that might get 300,000 votes for Prez, stick with them for a couple of years, take a job as a pot lobbyist, etc., all-the-while knowing my actions may offend my Religious Right bona-fides I built my Congressional career on? He'd sell more books by going Dem.
For now, I give him the benefit of the doubt. But I carry huge, huge doubt. | |
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| Bob Barr and the Libertarian Party
Posted: 5/29/2008 9:16:20 AM | | I like the idea that the Ron Paul'ites are planning mass disruptions at and around the RNC. I support any type of action such as that. Some are saying they're trying to emulate the '68 DNC in Chicago, which actually led to some changes being made in the Democratic party (I think in fact that's where we got this system that's actually currently keeping Hillary Clinton in the race for so long...). Either way though, even though I'm personally voting Dem (I'm on the Left side even amongst them), I think it was unfair and anti-democratic the way the MSM basically blacked out Paul and once he was "quarantined" by them, that was about it for him, grassroots internet campaign or not. He wasn't one of the "kosher" candidates who was ultra Israel-friendly, so that also worked against him in the MSM, as did his telling the truth, basically, about America's foreign policy and how in large part America had to look at itself and its own actions firstly when discussing the root causes of terrorism such as 9/11. | |
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| Bob Barr and the Libertarian Party
Posted: 5/29/2008 9:51:43 AM | I think Libertarians and Greens need to unite to compete with the big two parties and run the GOP in the dirt once and for all. Greens are for human rights and the environment and Libertarians are for rights of the individual and have a minimalist approach to beaurocracy. Shouldn't SOMEONE tell beaurocrats that minimalism is in fashion  Seriously too much money goes to beaurocratic fat cats and to PR and image rather then actually DOING stuff to IMPROVE America. A Green/Libertarian alliance would be a powerful force in improving America. | |
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| Bob Barr and the Libertarian Party
Posted: 5/29/2008 4:14:36 PM | | Barr divorced his second wife while she was dying of cancer. What a lovely guy. Yeah. Family values. Give me a break. | |
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| Bob Barr and the Libertarian Party
Posted: 5/29/2008 4:20:59 PM | | Maybe he wanted her to get half his stuff before she died or that's what SHE wanted? Just because someones dying of cancer doesn't mean they still love you. She probably wanted to divorce him before she died so that she can make him look bad as revenge. | |
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| Bob Barr and the Libertarian Party
Posted: 5/29/2008 4:25:02 PM | I've known him for 20 years - ever since he was the Chairman of the COBB County GOP. I knew one of his wives too, although now I'm uncertain wich one she was...lol My family (which is very politcal) and I have some personal history with the man which makes me not care much for him...
HOWEVER - I WILL say this for him though - is recent years he has been a MUCH needed voice within the party when it comes to civil liberties...
Should he be runing for PRESIDENT??? Nahhhh - that's a bit of a joke...
Mark
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| Bob Barr and the Libertarian Party
Posted: 5/29/2008 4:59:49 PM |
Barr divorced his second wife while she was dying of cancer. What a lovely guy. Yeah. Family values. Give me a break.
I didn't know this was an election of family values. did I miss something? I hardly think that an obama supporter has any room to question another candidates family values though. after all, it's obama who:
Voted NO on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion.
Voted NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions.
Voted NO on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP.
Voted against banning partial birth abortion.
oh, and let's not forget:
In 2002, as an Illinois legislator, Obama voted against the Induced Infant Liability Act, which would have protected babies that survived late-term abortions. That same year a similar federal law, the Born Alive Infant Protection Act, was signed by President Bush. Only 15 members of the U.S. House opposed it, and it passed the Senate unanimously on a voice vote.
yup, barack obama is a family values guy! | |
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| Bob Barr and the Libertarian Party
Posted: 5/29/2008 5:13:57 PM | | My vote is going to Barr in November! I am not going to waste my vote on three candidates that are full of flase promises and lies. McCain will never leave Iraq and start a war with Iran. Obama is to busy stating how members of his family liberated Aschwitz which is a lie and Hillary is to busy ducking from sniper fire and using Bobby Kennedy as a ticket to stay in the race becuase maybe Obama will be assainated. These three candidates are what you call voting for more of the smae. The same lies! | |
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| Bob Barr and the Libertarian Party
Posted: 5/29/2008 6:02:17 PM | Dude don't kid yourself - like I said, I've known Bob Barr for over 20 years. He IS a Republican. He's just SOL because he ran against John Linder and lost. He's no longer the popular guy with the Georgia Republican Party he once was, but let's face it - he was a Republican chairman of one of the largest counties we have here, and he was a Republican member of Congress. He's been espousing Republican values for decades.
Mark
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| Bob Barr and the Libertarian Party
Posted: 5/30/2008 12:14:28 PM | I think Libertarians need to seperate from the republicans because the republican party has been hijacked by religious neocon nutcases that have no business running a country. I think Libertarians need to unite with the Greens to build a powerful alliance against the corperatocracy. And republican "values" just compose of forcing your religion on other people.
Did you know because of the far right people have to cross state borders to get abortions? You shouldn't have to go to another state to get an abortion. And considering how big the midwest and south are you'd have to drive for DAYS to go to a state that supports abortion! | |
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| Bob Barr and the Libertarian Party
Posted: 5/30/2008 12:39:07 PM | | ^^ Well, we still have it here in IL, and happily so because politically I certainly support choice .... I'm in Chicagoland. But yes it's a lot different & a lot more like much of the rest of the stereotypical "Midwest", the further south & southwest from here that you go. Chicago and its immediate 'burbs tend to be (generally -- barring a few wealthy western 'burbs) more of a working-class multi-ethnic and multi-racial Democratic stronghold with the city itself of course being quite cosmopolitan and some parts of the city flat out Left'ish I'd say (rainbow flags flying high, lots of freethinkers, art , culture, and so forth). It's amazing however to drive from the city , and go a mere 60 - 70 miles west (or slightly southwest), and be in a basically rural area with cows and horses roaming around, where many of the people seem to have a totally different outlook on things and so on. It's just a different lifestyle; I've never lived out there so I can't really knock it but it is amazing to me that such a relatively short distance around here can cause so much more than just the scenery to change. | |
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| Bob Barr and the Libertarian Party
Posted: 6/2/2008 2:52:18 PM | An hour drive just to pet a horse that might kick you? I guess for some it would be worth it. 70 miles aint short that's like going from NH to Rhode Island in about an hour and a half. Still people shouldn't have to go to another state for an abortion that's why it should be legal in every state. What if someone in North Dekota wanted an abortion and they'd have to drive to Washington state to get it? A drive like that would be at least a week! There needs to be more unity in America too much money get's flushed down the toilet because of unneccessary lawyer fee's simply because peoples "feelings" get hurt or whatever.
I do however think we need to make true crimes like murder, theft, public smoking (not victimless as some would suggest as the second hand smoke causes cancer), fraud (so a proven beyond reasonable doubt hoax of any sort (such as UFO hoax) will be a heavy fine and/or jailtime), initiatory force, and coercion have far stricter punishments.
So much money is flushed down the toilet with uneccessary beaurocracy and red tape. The government should declare that it's not going to play around anymore with corperations and to let them know their time is over, done, adapt to a clean, efficient fuel source or go out of business. We all know the government can be doing alot better things then it is and is doing alot of useless things. I don't want my tax dollers going to the Waltons (in tax breaks alone a single one gets $90,000/hr) who happen to funnel ALOT of money into their anti-union department.
If people are going to illegalize abortion they may as well illegalize stomping on an anthill (at least those ants have been born already lol!). | |
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| Bob Barr and the Libertarian Party
Posted: 6/2/2008 2:56:13 PM | Can't support Ron Pauls solution? OMFG are you kidding me? He want's to abolish the Federal Reserve which is a good thing because the financial security of 300 million people should not be in the hands of just 12.
Besides it's a big scam they charge heavy interest on loans (alot of it hidden) and to top it off they profit from and even instigate war! Plus the money has no backing behind it so your paying back money (or they take real assetts from you if you can't repay) they simply print out of thin air.
Anything that intentionally creates problems to profit off of needs to be destroyed. | |
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