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Posted: 5/29/2008 11:59:39 AM | | Can't see Bush Jnr going to the Rush concert. Probably thinks it is a disease. He was told that chlamydia is on the increase. What was his reply. Sounds like a good investment! (off-topic, I know. Just lightening up the mood a little.) | |
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Posted: 5/29/2008 2:35:04 PM | "Nostradamus, Grand Alignment, Mayan Calendar...
Halley's Comet, Y2K, Pole Shift, Twenty-Twelve, Apocalypse..."
"We didn't start the fire... It was always burning, since the world's been turning..."
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Posted: 5/30/2008 6:20:51 AM | Yup. You know what people will/do say. "WHY IS GOD DOING THIS TO US!?"
'God' set the chess board. That's all. As a species we run to him whenever something 'goes wrong.' A substitiute parent. Now I am not saying I don't believe in God, just my idea of 'him'. It is one of those where you can never really get the point across.
We are doing it to ourselves. We live in a thing called reality. Not a tv programme.
Ah, well . . . .
MEETRMAN - You look like Indiana Jones' double! da-da-da-daaa da-da-daaa! | |
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Posted: 5/30/2008 8:39:57 AM | You know the superstitious stuff about the number 13??
2013 comes right after that date..
Thoughts become things.. Choose the good ones.. | |
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Posted: 5/30/2008 10:43:40 AM | The Mayans had some fantastic achievements: cities, empires, enormous buildings and structures, an independantly developed writing system, astronomy, a fairly accurate calendar, art, jewelry, etc. But there is a lot they didn't do, have or accomplish: pack animals, worldwide exploration, or - no small matter here - surviving as a civilization into modern times.
What's the big deal with the Mayans? Why do so many people want to invest in the Mayans some great authority about our modern times? Did they have some secret knowledge that somehow eluded Newton, Kepler, Copernicus, Halley, Einstein, or countless generations of other scientists, astronomers, or physicists.
Is there no rogue comet to blame? Have we decoded all the secrets of the Bible? No convenient millenium to count down to?
Are simple straightforward explanations of our modern world and times from current day scientist so boring, or so complex, that we must resort to a hodgepodge of stories cobbled together from all sorts of sources to amuse us?
Lets start with an out-of-date calendar from a long dead empire, add in some Biblical numerology mumbo-jumbo, a pinch of 'universal symmetry' for asthetics, an unknown, unseen, but "absolutely certain it's there" mystery planet, and plaster it onto a framework of misunderstood, misremembered and reparsed information from a dumbed-down popular science show to concoct a recipe about the fate of the world.
Are we that bored? Is the TV not working today? | |
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Posted: 5/30/2008 10:46:15 AM | Meetrman:
I've long thought that Billy Joel should update his song. I was thinking of stuff like Katrina, or the 2004 tsunami, or Iraq, or Bush. But your suggestions are apropos as well.
Adamf73:
I think you may be confused or mistaken about a couple of things.
The north magnetic pole is moving NORTH, not south. According to my polar map published in 2007 by Canadian Geographic magazine (you could check Wikipedia), the n.m.pole was over land in Canada's NorthWest Territories for much of the last century. Now, in the early 2000s, it is just off shore over the Arctic Ocean. IF it were to continue at this present rate, it would be over Siberia in about 50 years (but that is a big IF - I'm sure scientist are not sure of what it will do).
Also, you seem to have confused Halley's comet and the transit of Venus. Halley's Comet comes back every 76 years and will next return in about 2062. The transit of Venus happens twice in an 8 year span and then not again for some 120 years (next time in June, 2012, and then not until 2117 and 2125. | |
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Posted: 5/30/2008 11:50:19 AM | OOPS!
Did I write North? Yup, looks like it. I am sure that I meant to write down South.
Eeek. | |
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Posted: 5/30/2008 3:12:25 PM | I dunno, I for one believe that something may happen in 2012. What it will be is hard to say, I've heard a lot of crap about it... but my personally belief is that our magnetic poles will swap places and our planet will go through some MAJOR changes. Life will have to adapt to the new magnetics of the Earth in order to continue on. Some people believe that the changes are occuring now, and will continue to mess with people until the actual switch takes place. I believe that we can all "feel" the changes taking place, but only a select few who are "in tune" with it realize it. For all I know, the 2012 prediction could be complete utter BS, but who's to say for sure whether or not something may occur in that year. I guess we are gonna have to wait a few more years to find out  | |
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Posted: 5/30/2008 10:15:53 PM | | It's going to be hugely dissappointing for millions of people when nothing abnormal happens. | |
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Posted: 5/30/2008 10:51:53 PM |
What's the big deal with the Mayans? Why do so many people want to invest in the Mayans some great authority about our modern times? Did they have some secret knowledge that somehow eluded Newton, Kepler, Copernicus, Halley, Einstein, or countless generations of other scientists, astronomers, or physicists.
The Mayans are highly respected as astronomers, writers and matematicians, as a matter of fact. In a pre-telescopic period, they were able to determine details about stars, that no other pre-telescopic civilization ever could. They also were quite obsessed with the sun and moon, and created a solar calendar eerily accurate to the Gregorian calendar, we now use, and much more accurate than the pre-Gregorian calendar being used in Europe, at the time . (When the Europeans adopted the Gregorian calendar, they had to lose ten days, to catch up with the seasons they had lost, due to their flawed calculations, and hence, created the "leap year")
Any well-respected astronomer would tell you that the Mayans are envied for their very advanced comprehension of space and time, compared to other civilizations at the time. Many of their discoveries and practices have been adopted by modern astronomers, infact. They were able to predict environmental events well ahead of time based on their extensive documentation of solar and lunar patterns.
While they didn't have some secret power, they laid the foundation for many modern astronomers. This is why as a society, we invest so much in the Mayans. They were an advanced, intelligent and accurate civilization.
I'm not sure that the 2012 theory is true. I don't think the world is going to implode on that day or anything, but I can say that for a very long time, both religion and science have been predicting something similar to the state our world is in, right now. I can say that scientifically, we haven't had solar flares anything near the level we will get, in the next 5 years, for thousands of years. These things can't go overlooked. | |
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Posted: 5/31/2008 6:14:15 AM | KNow what you're saying LU. Agree with you.
But try telling that to the 'powers that be'.
B**tards! How will they manage to get profit when they have buggered up the only planet we have? Nature has nbo rights and everything is seen as profit. I shake my head in disbelief. | |
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Posted: 5/31/2008 1:01:19 PM | | It's difficult to pin-point exactly what's going to happen in 2012... I've heard all sides of the arguments, and I'm a skeptic to most of the theories put forward, including what some believe to be the end of the world in Dec. 21st... I know where I have to be ;) | |
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Posted: 5/31/2008 1:11:44 PM | Although the site hasn't been updated in a long time, it's still a great source of information of all the doomsayers that have come and gone.
A Brief History of the Apocalypse
http://www.abhota.info/ | |
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Posted: 5/31/2008 2:36:09 PM | Pearl Jam's DO THE EVOLUTION say it's 2010
(yes, I know it's only a song. But it's a PEARL JAM song! hehe). | |
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Posted: 6/1/2008 9:37:29 AM | silentassumptions wrote:
It's difficult to pin-point exactly what's going to happen in 2012...
I reckon it'll phase into 2013 . . . .
not poking anything at you, silentassumptions.  | |
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Posted: 6/1/2008 10:02:12 AM | I'd say it's more of an ongoing environmental deterioration, reaching a highest point in 2012, rather than an apocalype...
If we're honest with ourselves, I think we are all intelligent enough to realize that the world isn't going to end overnight. It's been something that's ongoing for a long time. Some of it is within our control, but most of it is not.
The stability of our sun is at it's lowest point. 2005 was a record year for solar energy bursts (solar flares) Solar flares are directly related to natural disasters. The forecasted solar flares are expected to be higher than they have in thousands of years, reaching a peak in 2012. This means that we can expect natural disasters far worse than the earthquakes, hurricanes, tsunamis, etc. that we have experienced over the past five years. | |
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Posted: 6/1/2008 10:18:41 AM | The entire 2012 conspiracy is just based on an ancient Mayan calendar. It has absolutely no foundation in reality. Earth will be no closer to the "galactic plane" than it normally is, and anyway whether or not we're on the galactic plane makes absolutely no difference at all. There is no asteroid that is about to hit us. And the poles are not going to switch... even if they did, the only effect it would have would be to switch our compasses around from North to South. It wouldn't cause any kind of global disturbance or electrical malfunctions or vulnerability in our magnetosphere... it really would just piss off a bunch of sailors. And anyway it's not likely to happen.
Also, the fact that the Sun is having more sunspot eruptions than usual is not going to cause worldwide chaos. Sunspots are eruptions of plasma... basically, the solar wind, which is just a bunch of electrically charged ions. The danger from these outbursts is simply in the amount of radiation and ion particles that are hitting our magnetosphere and upper atmosphere. I don't think it will be anything to worry about for the next few hundred years or more. Even then, it's probably just a natural, long-term cycle of the Sun. | |
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Posted: 6/1/2008 10:36:51 PM | Check out this a nasa site for detailed info on mag pole flips
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2003/29dec_magneticfield.htm | |
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Posted: 6/1/2008 10:54:37 PM |
The stability of our sun is at it's lowest point. 2005 was a record year for solar energy bursts (solar flares) Solar flares are directly related to natural disasters.
Sun spots and solar flares tend to work in 11 year cycles, so if 2005 was a record year, then 2012 should be pretty mild. The next peak would be in 2016.
And I don't see how solar flares have anything to do with natural disasters. They can affect satellites and occasionally can knock out power grids in northern cities (happened in Montreal once) but for the most part the geology of the earth is completely unaffected. The magnetosphere works. | |
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Posted: 6/2/2008 3:42:18 PM | | 2012 is going to be another "Y2k letdown", nothings going to happen and life goes on as usual. Or maybe that's when Israel is going to nuke the rest of the world? Because they would do that, we give them alot of money and they blow up our ships and piss on our Jews. | |
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Posted: 6/3/2008 1:18:40 AM | thatottguy kinda made me think of " the horizon Project"s interperetation of the whole upcoming event.... Not sure if it included a pole shift or not.
Cant remember.
BUT what I DO remember is that space in time DOES put our solar system/galaxy in that " dark rift" as explained by some Mayan Scholastic types. That galactic equator...
We do have some funky stuff happening to our planet whether its caused by our OWN interperetation of global warming or NOT is anyones guess.
BUT... from the astrological stuff ive also read on the subject it also means the END OF OUR AGE... from the bible it means armagedon, to others it means pole shift whatever.
From Jordan Maxwell it means the END OF THE AGE OF AQUARIUS and the passing into the age of Picese?.... If I got my astrological signs right.
Right now we are in the age of aquarius.... sometime in the next few years we pass into the age of picese*sp.
IF at some point our passing thru the dark rift causes something as serious as needing to have sex with anything that moves before the earthequakes and tidal waves happen... contact me now and we can book an appointment and we will try to accomadate that one personal need.  I am very flexible.  For those of you that couldnt reach me... you may have to deny your god first.
I will be the name you scream in vain:p | |
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Posted: 6/3/2008 7:44:45 PM | | Where does the 'leap year' thing fit into this calculation of the 2012 thing? | |
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Posted: 6/3/2008 9:03:35 PM |
That galactic equator... True. Apparently it's when the sun will be aligned with the centre of the galaxy.
We have twelve zodiac signs. But Nostradamus had a 13 signs. The 13th is Ophiuchus (called the secret sign) and sits between Sagittarius and Scorpio. Ophiuchus means "Serpent Holder". It's position in the sky lays just where the celestial equator crosses the centre of the galaxy (aka: the Dark Rift). Note that we only recently found the centre of the galaxy in the last 10 years I think. The sun falls into Ophiuchus, the gap between Scorpio and Sagittarius, and is in perfect alignment with the centre of the galaxy every 13,000 years. This date will be in.... 2012.
What's interesting is that Nostradamus and the Mayans found this date. According to Nostradamus and the Mayans, its the change of the Age. Does it mean more than that? Probably not. Just reset the clock.
BTW, I'm not an astrologer, just a fvcking hacker, so don't bust my balls if I'm out on this crap. | |
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Posted: 6/3/2008 9:05:20 PM | | I often wonder when the bible specifically tells us not to dabble in divination. Could it be real? | |
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Posted: 6/3/2008 9:24:47 PM | | What is real? ............................. | |
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