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Posted: 6/3/2008 9:37:51 PM | What is real? .............................
Only the current pantheon of old farts is right now.
Until that fated douchebag shows up.
The one whose figured how to appease them all in such a way to also break their stubborn rules.
He's seriously a party crasher! 
But I done hear he's got a some cool ideas to bring to the mix.
And technically all the old farts did start as douchebags themselves.  | |
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| 2012 pole shift
Posted: 6/4/2008 5:44:07 AM | | As in The Theory of Everything in how to live? One size fits all? | |
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Posted: 6/4/2008 6:16:47 AM |
so is this pole shift away from or toward the sun? It's not a physical shift, but a magnetic one. The magnetic core of the earth will flip over and has been evidence in magnetized lava flows (iron being polarized one way, then being polarized another way in the same igneous rock.) It is already obvious the magnetic pole is shifting, but how fast it can flip is merely conjecture (speculated to happen quickly from volcanic evidence.) | |
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Posted: 6/4/2008 9:11:33 AM | | I reckon it'll be somewhat similar to those floating orb compasses . . . . slowly, slowly, slowwwwly .... flip! Done. Ducks fly north for the winter | |
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Posted: 6/4/2008 11:52:05 AM | | Geologic history shows that the pole has shifted several times in the Earth's history, and we're still here, so I wouldn't be too worried. Also I remember at science world back in the day they had an exhibit talking about comets and saying that one was supposed to come real close in December 2012, but that it should miss. Anyone else know anything about this? | |
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Posted: 6/4/2008 12:36:22 PM |
what is real... To divine. You know... to look at a bowl of water and wait for the noodles to form a word.
so is this pole shift away from or toward the sun? Why? You gonna move your house?
I reckon it'll be somewhat similar to those floating orb compasses . . . . slowly, slowly, slowwwwly .... flip! Done. Ducks fly north for the winter lol. They'll still fly south, but Florida might not be. I guess the crust or mantle or whatever you call it could spin and flip. The interior is liquid after all.
Geologic history shows that the pole has shifted several times in the Earth's history, and we're still here, I don't think we were around the last time it happened. | |
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Posted: 6/4/2008 12:56:17 PM | | No, we many not have been around, but some of our evolutionary ancestors were, as well as plenty of other species. | |
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Posted: 6/4/2008 2:28:11 PM | ^^ How many people were here? A million world wide? The world wouldn't end. Even if we nuked ourselves, the world would continue along it's merry evolutionary path.
I feel it's worth a mention, that "humans" may have evolved a few times on this planet, only to be wiped out by who knows what. It's also worth a mention that in the 4.5 billion years that the earth has been here, that great civilizations similar to ours, with significant populations could also have existed. I mean 2000 years ago, we only had 200 million people on earth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population). It's conceivable that any sign of an ancient population of similar size could have been completely eradicated and hidden as tectonic plates sunk and covered up the evidence over the last 2 billion years. What was there before Pangea? | |
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Posted: 6/4/2008 6:08:28 PM | | Existence and objective reality. THAT'S what's real, anyone who say's otherwise is just a existantialist weirdo. | |
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Posted: 6/5/2008 6:07:53 PM |
I often wonder when the bible specifically tells us not to dabble in divination. Could it be real? Us? I've never seen a talking bible.
I for one believe that something may happen in 2012. I predict people will be buying 2013 calendars.
It's difficult to pin-point exactly what's going to happen in 2012 The US will be selling small plastic trinkets to China. | |
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Posted: 6/6/2008 5:19:24 PM |
It's difficult to pin-point exactly what's going to happen in 2012 The US will be selling small plastic trinkets to China.
And don't forget the Olympics will be in London. So, you see, there are indeed some things we can predict! | |
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Posted: 6/6/2008 11:07:23 PM | Well if the end of the world is coming in 4 years I'm going to start smoking, drinking, screwing and partying on....oh wait, I've been doing that all along. LOL
Who knows! It may happen...I wouldn't be surprised at all. This world has gone to shit anyway....guess it could use some cleansing. If the Mayans are right and all the evil will be lifted away from the earth, I guess Washington DC will be hit hard. LOL Now that would be a sight to see. :) | |
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Posted: 6/16/2008 7:01:14 PM | Comets.
Several of adequate earth smashing size (well, enough for a surfficient amount of dust to cover the earth for long enough for vegetation to snuff it etc etc, and that would be after the tidfal waves, earthquakes, volcanoes spewing etc) have already passed by before we could detect them.
Maybe we'll get a gatecrasher . Feck it, who knows. No one. Interesting views but am going to carry on as normal. Even if there is something coming I cannt do anything about it anyway. Geez. I can't even change the channel from where I am sitting.. . . . . | |
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Posted: 6/17/2008 9:25:16 PM | | Hello The Mayan calendar is said to end in June of 2012. I have heard stories all my life about when the world will come to an end. My grandmother was a shaman she used to tell us stories about what would be occurring as the world was getting ready to change. She didn't call it being destroyed but in being changed from how we know the Earth now. We can see many signs that were told to me as I was growing up. Did you know that Earth is pulled 3/4 ths of an inch closer to the sun every year? That the Polar ice sheets are melting and changing the climates as we know it? This is aligning up to what my grandmother used to call the change. Earth as we know it is changing. The temperatures in the locations of what we know now are going to be different. The North Pole is believed and theorized to have a midlatitude type of climate. As these sheets melt our weather is changing our thermographs are changing our animals are on the move. Armadillos are moving into Missouri. Wolves are moving. The sea life is changing locations. Animal movement is a good sign that they are responding to subtle changes in climate shifts. We are getting different weather in different areas. A supervolcano is due to erupt in Yellowstone that will block out the sun for ten years. Will Earth change? It is to be seen. There are many signs. What is to happen will occur. Just enjoy your life until that day comes. | |
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Posted: 6/17/2008 9:26:24 PM | | This is true. I have read about this and how the inner core is changing too. | |
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Posted: 6/17/2008 9:29:44 PM | | Yes there are a few things supposed to happen about this time. It is amazing that yes the Earth has flipped and hen flipped back. but the flip that is supposed to occur at this time is one that will not revert. About the comets there are several at different times that are predicted to be headed to Earthbut they usually split up before reaching Earth. So, I wouldn't worry about it too much. | |
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Posted: 6/17/2008 9:36:26 PM | | There is a lot to be said for the Mayans like why has there clock only been off by 33 seconds in the last 1500 years. They knew the rotation of the Earth and how the angle of Incidence effects the Earth's climate and animal life. There are many things that the Mayans are thought to have known about that were lost. So sad. | |
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Posted: 6/18/2008 6:21:23 AM | Isn't the inner core always changing, though? Nothing is still. The inner core moves, as does the mantle, as does the crust, as do tectonic plates and continents, planet alignments, solar systems and galaxies (and universes). And everything impacts, in one degree or another, on the other.
Earth as we know it is changing.
The Earth is always changing. And to add to the start of this entry: we get weather and 'whatever'. (see final line in entry).
but the flip that is supposed to occur at this time is one that will not revert.
How do they know that the flip will not revert back? They cannot see into the future.
The comet thing, no I am not worried about it.
(Geez. Wish my brain had a USB2 port so I could just downlaod the thoughts. Ah, well.......) | |
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Posted: 6/18/2008 8:19:05 AM | I think everybody here should watch the house hippo commercial again.
People have been saying the world was going to end all through the ages. One day it will, but not in 2012. Every claim you hear about the end of the world should be verified with facts and reason. The mayans were a wise ancienct race, so were the greeks, and many others. They used astronomy to predict the seasons and to tell time, just like the even ancient makers of stone henge. The sky was a mystery to them, but had predictable order in it. With the ability to tell time also came superstition. They could not tell the length of the day with 33 sec accuracy. You need a telescope for that. Anybody can tell time with the sky with alittle astonomy knowledge. The mayans didnt have telescopes they did not know physics, or quantum mechanics. Thier calander suposedly ends in 2012, Dec 21, on our calander, so. That is a perfect time to end a calender, the winter solstace. They couldnt write a calander that goes on forever. Why does the world have to end when thier calander ends.
As for the earth going through the galactic equator. This is a true fact. But Astronomers do not even know exactly where we are above or below the galactic equator. There are 2 estimates on the period for the Earth to complete a cycle up and down through the galactic equator, 65 million years, and 35 million years. The best astonomers can say is that we will cross the equator within 1 million years. The distance the sun travels in one day or even 100 years, is insignificant to the size of the galaxy. If we are suppose to cross the galactic plane in dec 21, 2012 then you might as well say we are already in the galactic plane. There is no engery field in the galcitc plane. The galaxies magnectic field strength on the earth is far weeker then the Earths can can have no effect on the Earths magnectic field. There is however a higher dencity of masses in the galactic plane, and this can cause commets to fall into our solar system. Outer comets can take millions of years to reach the Sun. There is no evidence wha so ever that the world is going to end in 2012. If the world is going to end it is going to end because of humans disrespect for the environment, and because everybody is thinking the world is going to end in 2012 so they dont care about the future of the Earth. | |
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Posted: 6/18/2008 3:29:07 PM | Excellent post, OmegaOm
I will add to it a question:
On what basis do people believe the Mayans were predicting the end in/new era for the world on December 12 2012? Is it simply that the calendar ends on that day or is it that they wrote accompanying notes saying that the end/new era would be on that day? | |
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Posted: 6/18/2008 8:57:27 PM |
On what basis do people believe the Mayans were predicting the end in/new era for the world on December 12 2012? Is it simply that the calendar ends on that day or is it that they wrote accompanying notes saying that the end/new era would be on that day?
I would assume that it is just that the calender ends on that day. But I do not know that for sure. Either way it is unwise to beleive in extraordinary prophecies, without extraordinary evidence. As advanced as the Mayans were, they no nothing compared to what we know now. They were just the most advanced that North America had to offer at the time.
We can see 10 billion light years into space. We sent ships to the planets. We viewed in great detail all of the planets and most moons. We have a good working model of the creation of the universe, backed up with evidence that is dificult to deny. Yet we still feel the need to think an ancient people (that lived in stone buildings, who sacificed people to the gods) knew things, that are science does not. | |
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Posted: 6/19/2008 1:55:24 AM | Yeah the Mayans loved the sky, and loved thinking that the sky's behaviour would be able to calculate the nature of existence in 'human years'.
I wonder if when they saw a shooting star they freaked out and sacrificed twice as many people.  | |
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Posted: 6/19/2008 7:51:54 AM |
On what basis do people believe the Mayans were predicting the end in/new era for the world on December 12 2012? Is it simply that the calendar ends on that day or is it that they wrote accompanying notes saying that the end/new era would be on that day?
It's basically nonsense.
One of the Mayan units of time was called a baktun and is 394 years long. In 2012, the 12th baktun ends and the 13th baktun begins. While they may have believed that significant events occur in the transitions between baktuns, there is no evidence that they believed the 12th baktun was the last one. | |
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Posted: 6/25/2008 4:35:45 PM | | I don't buy into the whole, "the calendar ended, so the world will be ending" stuff. Basically... they aren't here anymore... they had to stop somewhere! | |
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Posted: 6/25/2008 7:02:15 PM | | What I am more concerned with is that people with power and influence will believe in this 2012 apocalypse and essentially turn it into a self fulfilled prophecy. If you look at the world around you it's not like we're actually making future human existence on this planet more plausible. | |
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