| 2012 pole shift
Posted: 6/26/2008 12:29:14 AM | | Wasn't all the planets suppose to align in 2005 and create some catasrophe? Or how about when the earth was going to be the center of a word wide black out during Y2K? Who really knows what is going to happen? No one... I mean yes we have all read or heard some sort of story about what the future holds for earth... However no one knows for sure and we will all find out as soon as the year swings around.. we only have 4 years to go! | |
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Posted: 6/26/2008 6:04:29 PM | Man I don't know about this 2012 thing. It does seem like it is the internet phenomenon right about now.
I have heard so many things that supposedly is going to happen in 2012 so it is hard to know what to believe. I heard about the polar shifts where the south pole and north pole will begin to reverse. I heard about an ice age occurring because their hasn't been any sunspots seen on the sun for like 2 years and it is in some 6 year cycle that will begin a huge influx in 2012 and this will cause the earth temperatures to drop.
Then you have this whole Planet X thing going around as well that is supposedly going to pull the earth apart and we will meet our creators. Then the recent rumor I hear is that all these so-called alien UFO's that have been reported for over 60 years were not space crafts but some time of advanced space probes or satellites to gather information about earth and that their will be a large space alien invasion in 2012.
I also hear that that is when world war 3 will occur because of the Bush administration. Basically that the Bush administration are going to suspend elections this year due to a major terrorist attacks in the USA and they will hold onto power for another 4 years, in which that is when war world 3 will begin.
Who knows. | |
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| 2012 pole shift
Posted: 6/26/2008 9:26:37 PM |
I also hear that that is when world war 3 will occur because of the Bush administration. Basically that the Bush administration are going to suspend elections this year due to a major terrorist attacks in the USA and they will hold onto power for another 4 years, in which that is when war world 3 will begin.
I honesly thought that this "war on terrorism" was already considered world war three... With every war there is problems with in the country... Our problems are high gas prices... and other crap... I think WW3 Has already begun... I also heard that this war will be over by 2010 I really hope that they can't and don't suspend elections... But seriously who knows whats going to happen with the next president... I also heard that Obama was suppose to be the anti-christ. Who knows... is the best way to end all responses.. lol  | |
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| 2012 Pole Shift
Posted: 6/26/2008 9:48:40 PM | | Nothing special will happen on Decvember 21st 2012 other than this galactic alignment. However, I don't believe there will be a pole shift. We can debate the issue all day, but the only way to know for sure is to live long enough to see December 22, 2012 come and go. Remember reading this post when that day occurrs. Nothing special will happen with regards to a pole shift. It doesn't mean that small-scale nuclear war can't happen. It doesn't mean other terrible things won't happen. Hell, the world could "end" tomorrow for all we know. | |
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Posted: 6/26/2008 9:50:21 PM | ~OT~ It's the year of the Summer Olympics (third time in London, never has this happened ~ three times in one spot that is.) And a leap year. That's all I come up with on short notice.  | |
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| 2012 Pole Shift
Posted: 6/26/2008 10:23:02 PM |
and the same applies for the samurai and their understanding of metalurgy... we still cannot produce a sword comparable... maby we tend nowadays to over look the simple things... that are more tested and reliable than some of our "equipment"
Gee. I just watched an entire episode of Nova that showed they still make samurai swords of the same quality using the old methods in Japan. | |
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| 2012 pole shift
Posted: 6/26/2008 10:27:40 PM | {quote] Then you have this whole Planet X thing going around as well that is supposedly going to pull the earth apart and we will meet our creators. Then the recent rumor I hear is that all these so-called alien UFO's that have been reported for over 60 years were not space crafts but some time of advanced space probes or satellites to gather information about earth and that their will be a large space alien invasion in 2012.
I am from planet x.
I am however one of the few that have broken with our leaders and wish to warn humans of our impending plans for earth. The invasion is not planned for 2012. That was just created so the date will come and pass and all you earthlings will gasp a sigh of relief. Then we invade early in 2013.
I'd write more but I am on crop circle duty tonight.
One other thing. Bush is one of us. | |
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| 2012 Pole Shift
Posted: 6/27/2008 7:12:26 AM |
Nothing special will happen on Decvember 21st 2012 other than this galactic alignment. However
You should read my previous post, on the earth aligning on the galactic plane. Astronomers do not know exactly where we are above or beleow the galactic plane. The distances the Solar System has to travel, bobbing up and down the galactic plane are so enormous, that it takes between 35 million and 65 million years for a cycle. 4 years is nothing compared to that. If we are suppose to be on the galactic plane in 2012, we are already there. | |
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| 2012 Pole Shift
Posted: 6/27/2008 7:34:37 AM | Also there is no evidence for a giant planet X, that passes by the inner solar system, on a wild 2 thousand year orbit. Infact there is hard evidence against this pesudoscience. If a giant planet passed the inner solar system. It would through the orbits of the planets out of wack into wide eliptical orbits. The orbits of the planets are almost circular, wich means they havnt been disturbed for millions of years. Also if the planet was big enough it would fling some planets into intersteller space or the sun.
If all people had a basic knowledge of the princibles of physics, there would be no belief in these rediculous claims. Instead of searching the internet, reading apocoliptic claims by ignorant people with no propper education, people should be picking up an Introduction to astronomy book. With a little knowledge of science you can quickly rule out these claims. | |
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| 2012 Pole Shift
Posted: 6/27/2008 11:21:41 AM |
You should read my previous post, on the earth aligning on the galactic plane. Astronomers do not know exactly where we are above or beleow the galactic plane. The distances the Solar System has to travel, bobbing up and down the galactic plane are so enormous, that it takes between 35 million and 65 million years for a cycle. 4 years is nothing compared to that. If we are suppose to be on the galactic plane in 2012, we are already there.
I must admit, this is something that I hadn't even considered and it does make sense. However, it only further supports my assertion that no pole shift will occur in 2012. | |
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| 2012 Pole Shift
Posted: 6/27/2008 8:41:51 PM |
I must admit, this is something that I hadn't even considered and it does make sense. However, it only further supports my assertion that no pole shift will occur in 2012
True firendlion. There is no evidence what so ever that the galactic magnetic field can influence the Earths, especially given the time it takes the Earth to move through the galaxy. Even if it did effect the earths magnetic alignment the change would happen slowly over millions of years. In truth, our galaxies magnetic field strength is weaker than the Earths because of the distances between the stars, so how can it effect us anyways.
Our magnetic poles are always moving and have shifted in the past. The cause is unknown, but has to do with the Earths core. The Sun has a similar phenomenom, and deep research with many satellites is being done. Many thoeries are emerging, and I beleive it wont be long before a possible cause is known. | |
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| 2012 Pole Shift
Posted: 6/28/2008 2:23:26 PM | Why is known... follow the link on page 2 and READ.
This is one of the threads I point to when people ask me why people are or act crazy in more mundane threads.  | |
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| 2012 Pole Shift
Posted: 6/28/2008 3:17:48 PM | | there will be a time in 2012 when a black hole will absorb all uk taxes to finance the london olympics..this surely will be apocalyptic and none will survive!!!! | |
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| 2012 pole shift
Posted: 6/29/2008 8:04:43 PM | The date is 21 Dec 2012. The winter solstice.
The Mayans believed that this date marks the end of what we know.
This is true, for every 36000 years, the Earth moved from one end of the Milky way to the center and then to the other side. It just so happens that on this date, Earth will be at the center of the Milky way, with its North pole pointing towards the sun. Astronomers(sp) have just discovered that there is a black hole on the edge of the Milky way, and the Earth will be pointing towards it. Theorist suggest that the Earth will change its magnet North and South poles to East and West and that the Earth's crust will shift, like an orange peel sliding on its core. This is the change that the Mayans were talking about.
Will it happen? I don't know. There are numerous websites,devoted to this...Feel free to read about it yourself and you decide. | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 8:35:27 PM | | Actually the correct date is,December,21,2012 | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 8:38:22 PM | | Actually,It is my understanding that the date is December 21 2012.That is from the mayan calender of events,as well asincan,and egyptian lore,as well as ancient greek prophecy. | |
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| 2012 pole shift
Posted: 6/29/2008 9:05:29 PM |
The date is 21 Dec 2012. The winter solstice.
The Mayans believed that this date marks the end of what we know.
This is true, for every 36000 years, the Earth moved from one end of the Milky way to the center and then to the other side. It just so happens that on this date, Earth will be at the center of the Milky way, with its North pole pointing towards the sun
If people whant to know what the real scientists say they should goto a real science site.
You post is full of all incorrect facts.
Here is what the real scientists say.
The Earth does not move to the center of the milky way. We would perish if we did. We orbit around the milky way. This takes 220 million years, far from 36000. The number 36000 must come from the distance the Earth is from the center of the Milky-way, at about 36,000 Light years, but now is estimated at 26,000 light years. This distance is huge. The sun travels around the milky way at about 250 km a second, the speed of light is 300,000 km a second. We can never reach the center of the galaxy in 36,000 years anyway.
Astronomers(sp) have just discovered that there is a black hole on the edge of the Milky way, and the Earth will be pointing towards it. Theorist suggest that the Earth will change its magnet North and South poles to East and West and that the Earth's crust will shift, like an orange peel sliding on its core
There are probably millions of black holes at the edge of the milky way. The edge of the milky way is farther than the center of the milky way. A black holes gravity that far away is virtualy non-exsistant, especcially since there is a billion solar mass black hole at the center of the galaxy wich is closer to us and hasnt effected us.
This is the change that the Mayans were talking about.
Will it happen? I don't know. There are numerous websites,devoted to this...Feel free to read about it yourself and you decide.
The Mayans could not possible now any of this information. They didnt even have a telescope. Dec 21 is just the winter solstice, when the sun is lowest in the sky. A reasonable day to begin or end a calander. They could of picked the summer solstice when the sun is highest in the sky. You should read my earlier posts.
We have 100's of scientific satellites in space, researching the Earth the planets, the galaxy, the Sun, the Universe. We have 100's of years of the smartest men researching the Cosmos. And still there is no evidence to support the 2012 thoery. Yet people beleive some guy who says the Earth travels to the center of the milky-way in 36,000 years.
raqitbalguy I mean no disrespect. I just want to set you straight and all others who beleive in these ridiculus claims. If you want to know what is really going on in Space, I reccommend you go to www.space.com | |
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| 2012 pole shift
Posted: 6/29/2008 10:00:35 PM | You know, if I were to take 3 or 4 Ambiens and try to stay up late, posting online, and happened to post something remotely like some of the pseudo-scientific GARBAGE that fills large parts of this (and other) threads...
You know what I'd do?
I'd apologize profusely, resign out of embarrassment, and never show my face around here again.
I mean, REALLY, isn't it EMBARRASSING to fill an entire post with statements and "facts" that are flat-out WRONG, across the board, when even the most cursory research would keep you from making such an ass of yourself? Usually just typing a few words into Google is adequate to figure out what's pure horse-hockey and what's not.
Yes, I know this makes me a judgmental **stard, but for crying out loud, people, take SOME pride in that which separates you from the lower animals; the ability to reason. | |
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| 2012 pole shift
Posted: 6/29/2008 11:07:21 PM | | I agree desertrhino. But dont you think it the duty of the scientific person to propery fight agianst these false truths, and show people the right way to find truth. Most people have not been taught how to think critically or have an understanding of what science knows. No wounder why %90 of americans believe in astrology. This is one reason why our world is going downhill. If I can get 10 people to dismiss the 2012 hoax, I will have done my job. | |
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| reality shift
Posted: 6/30/2008 3:27:50 AM | Rhino, omega; comment on this drivel. Some are compelled to feel they have secret, special and important knowledge. Fact, proof, logic holds no sway in that realm....
and too many sheep blindly follow these theorista's and pseudoprophets.
Although...the actual unknowns demand...the future is certain to have incredible and completely unpredictable surprises.
Formulaic science, religion, academia, society, government...tells us WHAT to think, say, believe, do.
The true quest however...demands that we not focus on WHAT to know....or think....
rather the HOW. Dearth of critical and creative thought will doom mankind before any of these prognosticating paranoiacs chicken-little mass-hysteria histrionic scenarios.
BTW one cannot be taught how to think critically....just that we have replaced it with the pablum of what to think. That must be unlearned; the inquisitive nature of each child has already a hunger and desire to think, to know, to explore; we instead force that mind to accept as 'truth" that which is politically expedient...profitable, "controllable", useful....
...i am convinced by science, that the more i learn, the less i truly know
given the enormity of an infinite and progressive truth... | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 7:56:09 AM | Heartseekerture. Science doesnt tell you what to think, it tells you what not to think. If you think critical and creative thought will doom mankind, before mass belief in crazy superstition you are not looking deeply at the consequenses of each. It was the crazy belief in witches and devils, that caused the witch hunts. It was the belief that the jews where an unpure faulty race that caused their slaughter in world-war 2. If the world believes that the world is going to end in 2012, why would the world care about problems like global warming and try to solve them. In a world with 50,000 nukes, I think it is best to have a world full of critical, logical thinkers, than a world full of people who will follow and crazy persons absurd ideas.
It is true that the absolute truth can never be know. Science tells us that. Science tells us what is not true only and narrows the field of possible truths. Anybody can learn how to think like a scientists, without actually being one. It is the job of the scientist to spread these beliefs, just like every religion spreads thiers or we will end up in a world controlled and filled by ignorant animals. If you look at who is doing the most to help protect the enviroment and animals and therefore Earth. You will see, it is the scientists.
Also you bring me to another reason why the people should have scientific minds. Science has a dark side like everything else. Science is knowledge, and knowlegde = Power. With Science you can create some pretty nasty things. Things that can destroy the world. If the people know nothing about science how can they vote against potentially dangeous research like in genetics. I am sure a smart dictator can convince the ignorant masses that the research is harmless, especially easy if they buy into stuff like the 2012 thoery.
A book you should read is (" Demon Haunted World--Science is a candle in a dark world") By Carl Sagon, there you will find very much more reasons why the world should think like a scientist. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 9:24:08 AM | Fully concur Omega, science not only teaches critical thought process...but also teaches how to ask questions. And science demands creative, critical thought. Sometimes downright serendipitous. Superstition, or any such finite "truth"...is very limiting...particularly if based on delusional, agenda-driven, or illogical conclusions.
Unfortunately we have seen a major slide in westerners seeking pure science education. We don't value it...which will have a price to pay in the future...
the more i know, the more i know is unknown. keeps me trying to know.
teaching what to know....finite.
HOW to know...infinite.... | |
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| 2012 pole shift
Posted: 6/30/2008 7:58:33 PM | Hello.
Well I'm glad that, through my post, you manage to create a post that spawn's curiousity. Which was the full intent.
I'm not a Carl Sagan, with "Billion and Billions" of ideas on the cosmos. Since I cannot do anything about it, I might as well enjoy the ride.
Thanks | |
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| 2012 pole shift
Posted: 6/30/2008 8:09:30 PM |
The Mayans could not possible now any of this information. They didnt even have a telescope. Dec 21 is just the winter solstice, when the sun is lowest in the sky. A reasonable day to begin or end a calander. They could of picked the summer solstice when the sun is highest in the sky. You should read my earlier posts.
I totally agree with this passage. If they were going to end the calendar, wouldn't it be at one of the solstices? Makes sense :) What I'm afraid of is the self-fulfilling profecy. If enough people are convinced that something catostrophic will happen in 2012, then they will find a way to make it happen or to allow it to happen. I'm not talking about coronal mass ejections, pole shifts, and killer comets, but rather, nuclear exchanges, global famine, etc. | |
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Posted: 7/1/2008 6:23:58 AM | I agree as well. The Mayans have a calendar that ended because it would have been impossible for them to continue it at infinitum. It's quite the leap in logic to say that their ending a calendar on a particular day meant that they believed it spelled the end of the world.
Also agree in the danger of self-fulfilling prophecy, especially with those in power like George Bush, who believe in the passages of the Bible like that of Armaggedon and have the facilities at their disposal to carry out such a prophecy...
In addition to the direct risks, imagine the effect this type of fear-mongoring has on our children. My daughter, who's 10, came home from school to tell me that her friend did a presentation on the Mayans and told all of her classmates that the world was ending on December 21 2012. The teacher had no idea that this was coming and had therefore prepared no rebuttal. Also, I have a nephew who believes the good people will be ascending to a new dimension on that day. He doesn't leave his bedroom any more.
I'm glad a few people have posted here saying what a bunch of crock this theory is. It does harm to spread such ideas, especially to the most vulnerable of our society | |
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