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| Clinton gets a Landslide in W. VA! The Mark of Times to Come?
Posted: 5/14/2008 12:52:28 PM | I was sort of kidding here with my "elitist" comment. Personally, I don't think Obama is an "elitist"; this "elitist" crap is spun by the media looking for an angle to cooerce whites on the bubble to fall toward Obama.
The media is definitely for Obama. The general media with the exception of Fox leans left, and in my opinion Obama is considerably more left than Hillary. Has anyone read Maureen Dowd's hysterical Pro-Obama rants and anti-Hillary rants? Dowd is nuts. | |
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| Clinton gets a Landslide in W. VA! The Mark of Times to Come?
Posted: 5/14/2008 3:52:25 PM |
Dave, I hate the insinuation that anyone is backward and ignorant. High School grads living in the hills aren't any more ignorant than most suit and tie guys driving to their offices every day. They just choose a different flavor of ignorance.
My shame and embarrassment for my state has nothing to do with who lives in the hills and who drives to work in a suit, who dropped out of school and who has a PhD. We've got plenty of all of those characteristics represented in WV, and racism and other forms of backward and ignorant thought processes can be found in all demographic groups. I'm ashamed that racism is apparently even more prevalent here than I realized.
I think it's just as wrong for a black to vote for a black because they're black, a woman to vote for a woman because she's female, as it is for a white to vote for a white based on their skin color. I know I'm a bit naive and idealistic at times, but to me that makes as much sense as me voting for someone who has the same initials I have.
Frankly, I've often felt ashamed and embarrassed for my country these past eight years because of the backward and ignorant, simplistic and flawed value system that our current president has utilized in his decision making. Whoever wins in November will have a massive task in front of them to start digging us out of the mess we're in on so many fronts.
When I consider candidates, I look at their positions on issues I feel are most critical to building a better future for all of us. I look at how they make decisions, how they lead, whose expertise they rely on, how well I think they'll be able to resolve conflicts without creating more conflicts in the process. I try to get a sense for what kind of person they are.
Fortunately, all three of the contenders are exponentially better qualified in the above traits than our current president.
How tall someone is, what clothes or hairstyle they prefer, which football team they root for, their shoe size, their race, their gender are all of equal unimportance to me in my decision making process. I understand that many voters have different priorities, and that for some accepting a woman or someone of a different race as an individual with individual traits may pose more of a challenge than it might for others, but if that challenge is the deciding factor for you in who you vote for, then I stand by my judgment.
That's backward and ignorant.
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| Clinton gets a Landslide in W. VA! The Mark of Times to Come?
Posted: 5/14/2008 4:42:40 PM | | People will say they don't trust Obama, black man, muslim bred. Well how much do you trust the 2 white Christians that are in the White House now? Obama might do well, but I don't think he will be the next president. I just hope McCain doesn't sell us down the river quite as bad as Bush/Cheney... us being the working middle class who voted the treasonous traitors in twice. | |
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| Clinton gets a Landslide in W. VA! The Mark of Times to Come?
Posted: 5/14/2008 4:53:02 PM |
In any case, it was quite an amazing day for Clinton, who is proving how resilient she can be in a crisis, even with major News Organizations firmly in opposition..
The Titanic's band played as it sank too. If you were a music lover, that was rather soothing thing, under the circumstances.
The fact is she's lost more primaries, is behind in the popular vote, behind in delegates, behind in super delegates, her finances are so deep in the red that a color blind accountant would see only blank pages if he looked at her books, and this was a state that she was expected to do very well in.
Reality check in aisle three please..... | |
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| Clinton gets a Landslide in W. VA! The Mark of Times to Come?
Posted: 5/14/2008 5:11:05 PM | To answer a previous question:
Why izzit not racism when Obama wins states with large black Democratic constituencies? Because only 22% of the population in North Carolina is black. Obama STILL has to carry a significant number of the white vote to win in any state actually. HRC on the other hand can pander to racial fears and all-of-a-sudden she has a resounding victory (everyone forgetting she complemented the "white" working-class for their support???)
The super-delegate story is what is really the news anymore -- neither candidate can win with pledged delegates (even though Obama STILL has a majority there as well,) so the news of superdelegates finally choosing a side is real news. Besides a Clinton victory was expected -- what kind of headline is that?!?! HLN "Clinton pulls off the expected win in her stronghold state with the poor and under-educated..."
PS waterfall: the voting on the basis of initials is a GREAT idea!!! Sign me up! | |
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| Clinton gets a Landslide in W. VA! The Mark of Times to Come?
Posted: 5/14/2008 5:41:05 PM | Ok Suthn Boy I think you know what not to do next time. Don't make a prediction. lol Looks like that one worked out pretty well for ya without it! lol
I am sorry to say though that this win and the one in KY she will most likely get will mean--nada, zilch, zippo, rien, el nothingo. You will just have to move on over to the Obama camp. We'll welcome you. :) | |
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| Clinton gets a Landslide in W. VA! The Mark of Times to Come?
Posted: 5/14/2008 5:51:32 PM | Apparently Hillary's landslide victory yesterday impressed John Edwards so much that he just had to endorse Obama.
She picked up 20 delegates (almost equal to the number of superdelegates Obama has picked up in the last 5 days).
Of course, Edwards' endorsement is just a part of the greater conspiracy against Hillary that apparently now includes the "biased" media as well.
Go Obama
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| Clinton gets a Landslide in W. VA! The Mark of Times to Come?
Posted: 5/14/2008 5:53:44 PM | Also to be noted, that Edwards endorsement brings the 26 delegates he has .
She won 20 in WV, and Obama 8.
Add 26 more.
Three former chairmen of the Securities and Exchange Commission will publicly endorse Democratic Sen. Barack Obama's bid for the presidency Wednesday, including one who served under President Bush. William Donaldson, who was SEC chairman for about 2½ years from early 2003, along with Clinton and Reagan appointees Arthur Levitt and David Ruder, will join former Fed Chairman Paul Volcker in endorsing Sen. Obama, his campaign said. Mr. Volcker endorsed Sen. Obama in January.
http://www.barackobama.com/newsroom/index.php
Obama has 1,886 delegates, and he needs 2,025.
25 PLEDGED DELEGATES needed for a majority
133.5 TOTAL DELEGATES needed for the nomination
Oregon 05/20 52
Kentucky 05/20 51
One hundred and three to be decided in less than a week.
A betting man would say most, but certainly not all, will go to Obama.
Add to that the continuing wave of super delegates.
Landslide, it seems. 
In the sense that Hillary is getting buried under it. | |
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| Clinton gets a Landslide in W. VA! The Mark of Times to Come?
Posted: 5/14/2008 10:00:38 PM | To Jedi Girl and i hope you read this and i hope you understand where this is coming from and if you do not i really could care less.
Rarely do anything i read get my blood boiling and believe me i have read some of the most vile crap ever produced, why because i like to learn and i like to empathize with people or try to understand where they are coming from, not in the hope of changing them but in understanding them. But you my fellow country woman have really upset me, and i cannot and will not let your statements go unchallenged while i respect your write to voice them i will not let them pass without a serious response.
What you stated about African Americans being the ones who make up the majority of welfare roles and abled body unemployed working Americans is a flat out lie. You have not produce one once of information to back that statement up, just like those people who claim Obama is a closet Muslim. In fact studies have shown there are more rural white Americans on welfare then black Americans. Go to department of labor web site check it out.
Second i am so tired of this argument that black people are supporting Obama because he is black, yes i will freely admit that there is a subconscious pride there, and yes Hillary cannot get the support her husband enjoyed in the black community and it has nothing to do with Obama being black it has to do with Hillary being FAKE and a lier.
Hell Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton ran for president and alot of black people did not vote for them, hell Al Sharpton did not even make it out of Iowa, and Jessie barely made it out of South Carolina. So no not all black people vote for the black canidate just because he is black. You stating this is like saying black people do not care what happens to this country our country!!!! Oh and the teen pregancy wrong again studdies show there are more white teen age girls who get pregnant then black.
Now for this last point you made about personal responsibility, yes i agree with you there needs to be alot more of personal responsibility and lot less of blaming. But you my friend need to really look at American history and analyze it. Where would America be if it was not for the almost 250 years of free slave labor, where? Where would black Americans be if we had gotten a fair deal after the civil war, where would black Americans be if our government the very one we pay taxes to had protected us , had made sure the constitution applied to us? You tell me, you so full of pull yourself up by your boot straps, you tell me where?
Now with that all said i will not and wont agree with anyone who wants to put the sins of the father on the children. Its over, its done. But its just something to think about when you get on your soap box and make these arguments. Because you know what they wont wash, and they do not stand up to empirical eveidence.
Yes it breaks my heart when i see another black male go to prison, or worse is killed due to gang violence, but you know what it would break my heart if they were white, asian hispanic, or native american, why because it would be another waisted life.
Let me leave you with this, something a coworker said to me and it shocked the hell out of me, " All these young people 18 to 40 voting for Obama are only doing it because it is hip to do so" , shocked at it had to tell him your wrong maybe its because they are tired of the attitudes, the mistakes, the **** ups that people in your generation left for us to clean up. Maybe they are tired of the seperation crap, the US VS Them crap, or just maybe they see a ray of light in Obama that people your age cannnot and will not see. The baby boomer generation had so much promise, you know what, yall left the work undone, you guys became the greed generation, the i got mine and i may take yours.
OBAMA 08
Yes black Americans have some issues, but you know what ,considering where we came from and what we went through i am amazed that not more are in prison, dead, or in the crazy house. I am more amazed that there was not more documented cases of slaves poisoning their families. You know what that shows , COMPASSION.
You pissed me off with your stereotypes and your blantant ignorance.
OBAMA 08 | |
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| Clinton gets a Landslide in W. VA! The Mark of Times to Come?
Posted: 5/15/2008 10:20:51 AM |
Because only 22% of the population in North Carolina is black. What's the percentage of blacks as it relates to registered Democrats? Certainly higher than 22%. I'm guessing 40 or 50%.
HRC on the other hand can pander to racial fears I don't see how making reference to cold hard facts is considered "pandering to racial fears". Obama will have trouble winning the presidency if he doesn't win states that Democratic contenders have won on their way to winning presidential elections. No Democrat since 1916 has become president without winning WV. That's a fact, not a fuzzy notion of "change we can believe in". | |
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| Clinton gets a Landslide in W. VA! The Mark of Times to Come?
Posted: 5/15/2008 1:01:56 PM | | for me, the race is between two frauds....one guy who probably should be a men's room attendant, except he has a talent for speaking, acting, and delivering a good speech, but has no real record or resume to speak of outside of being a star at harvard; and has built a constituency on militant black religious groups, and a woman who is so hard hearted, heartless and unfeeling but still ambitious that she would do anything, and i do mean anything, including murder, to get this job. no, you wont ever pin a murder on the clinton mob, they are too crafty for that, you wont ever get them for selling our rocket and military secrets to red china (the buddist and post office box scandals) pardoning many known criminals, including convicted cop killers, and leaving our country wide open to foreign attack because they didnt want a seriously weakened or crushed fbi or cia to expose their money gathering from red china or iran. and she's got the GALL to run for the presidency? for the two of them? if she had one SHRED of decency she would be hiding out on an estate on an abandoned island. so its an interesting race between these misfits. will the country bear any resemblance to its current self and the things that made it great, the places millions upon millions want to come to get a better life, when they are thru? | |
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| Clinton gets a Landslide in W. VA! The Mark of Times to Come?
Posted: 5/15/2008 9:04:51 PM | trapper jon md :
What in the hell are you talking about, " Wash room attendant" What made this country great, no resume, militant black religious groups.
Oh never mind the fact that he went to columbia or another private school never mind the fact that he worked with poor people, unemployed people regardless of their color. I bet what pisses you off the most is that he came out of a white woman, the fact that a white woman would have the nerve to lay with a black man, race trader.
A washroom attendant, your probaly pissed cause you could not get into one of those Ivy schools. Now this Bi-racial man who is America in al its glory and shame has the nerve to step out of the shadows and try to claim what is the birth rite of all Americans who has the skills and understanding of people regardless of your so called resume ( of selling out the very american people who trust you to protect them), oh that kind of experience to actually believe that yes the constitution can and should apply to him that he can dream of becoming the president. This true American, a child of two cultures , a child of a single WHITE WOMAN who was on food stamps that he can too dream of becoming president. You are such a fool and your ignorance is sucking the air out of any conversation that any would have with you on this topic. In fact i bet you would never have the nerve to repeat what you wrote about this man in public in a diverse group of people. You sir are truly a coward.
Now as for Hillary i do not know what she or Bill did while he was governor, i ahve heard rumors but no proof, and with no proof its just gossip. So i have a suggestion until you can get proof , factual proof. SHUT THE HELL UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are truly a coward.
OBAMA08 | |
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| Clinton gets a Landslide in W. VA! The Mark of Times to Come?
Posted: 5/15/2008 9:37:23 PM | Hot diggity damn. This thread has channeled the collective spirits of Cooter, Cletus, Boss Hog, David Duke, and the guy from Deliverance who wants you to squeeeeeal like a pig.
All in support of Hillary.
S'cuse me, I just threw up a little in my mouth. | |
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| Clinton gets a Landslide in W. VA! The Mark of Times to Come?
Posted: 5/16/2008 4:55:36 AM | I hear Hillary's campaign headquarters was The Boar's Nest. lol
Sorry, I'm just playin'!
As for Hillary getting mean, I read an interview she gave I believe yesterday where she herself has been anything but. It's tones were more along the lines of unifying the party than anything else. With the meeting coming up on seating the delegates from FL and MI on May31 then the primaries being over the next week, she now is completing that process. She can't quit the race now and do it gracefully, but after the last primary she will and she will do so gracefully. She's not taking this to the convention. | |
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| Clinton gets a Landslide in W. VA! The Mark of Times to Come?
Posted: 5/16/2008 6:49:05 AM |
Also to be noted, that Edwards endorsement brings the 26 delegates he has . Incorrect. Edwards delegates are free to choose whatever candidate affiliation they wish. Edwards can only make recommendations and not officially declare his delegate's affiliation.
Actually any delegate attending the convention can change their affiliation at the convention to whoever they wish. That's why Hillary remains in the race. It's a real slim chance, almost non-existant, but something could happen between now and August with Obama.
As for Hillary getting mean, I read an interview she gave I believe yesterday where she herself has been anything but. I didn't see that interview. But Hillary hasn't been "mean" in this campaign. Actually this campaign has been quite tame. Mild mudslinging at best. I've witnessed much worse in-house mudslinging, this doesn't compare. | |
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| Clinton gets a Landslide in W. VA! The Mark of Times to Come?
Posted: 5/16/2008 6:58:55 AM |
Edwards delegates are free to choose whatever candidate affiliation they wish. Edwards can only make recommendations and not officially declare his delegate's affiliation.
True, but the odds are that most will most likely go to Obama.
WASHINGTON: Barack Obama collected the support of four of John Edwards' Democratic National Convention delegates, then gained the backing of four superdelegates and a large labour union as he marched steadily toward the party's presidential nomination.
The fresh support brought Obama's overall delegate total to 1,895, compared to 1,718 for his rival, Hillary Rodham Clinton. It takes 2,026 to clinch the nomination at the party convention in Denver this summer.
Edwards, who bestowed his long-sought endorsement on Obama on Wednesday, won 19 delegates before departing the presidential race in January.
Within hours, Obama picked up the backing of three of them from South Carolina and one in New Hampshire.
In addition, four superdelegates three lawmakers and a union leader endorsed Obama. Superdelegates are party leaders who may vote for anyone they like at the convention. It is essential to win their support to become the nominee because neither candidate will be able to reach 2,026 just with state votes.
"I believe now is the time to unite behind Barack Obama so we can be in the strongest place possible to win in November," Rep James McDermott said.
Rep Henry Waxman said in a statement: "I have the greatest respect and admiration for Senator Clinton and former President Clinton. It is now clear, however, that the Democratic Party is nearing a broad consensus on our nominee."
Edwards had been backed by the United Steelworkers Union, which announced it would now support Obama. The union has 600,000 active members, many of them industrial workers of the type that have favoured Clinton in recent primaries.
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/PoliticsNation/
Obama_gets_4_of_Edwards_delegates_4_new_
superdelegates/articleshow/3045051.cms
Almost at 1900.... 
If I am getting the right feel from what I am reading in my research, then I think we are going to see a massive superdelegate shift towards Obama after the next two primaries. If Clinton can't make any sort of massive gains there - they will pull the plug on her , BEFORE the convention, to limit damage control.
In the bigger picture, the race against McCain, this is the time to start to move on a unified front. He's weakening, and Hillary's division isn't helping the overall party in that regard. | |
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| Clinton gets a Landslide in W. VA! The Mark of Times to Come?
Posted: 5/16/2008 7:07:44 AM |
If Clinton can't make any sort of massive gains there - they will pull the plug on her , BEFORE the convention, to limit damage control. How is it damaging when people become more informed about a somewhat enigmatic candidate? Sounds like Obama has got something to protect and hide.
In the bigger picture, the race against McCain, this is the time to start to move on a unified front. He's weakening, and Hillary's division isn't helping the overall party in that regard. I can't see how McCain is weakening. He's taking time campaigning in states and to demographic groups which have traditionally not voted Republican. This is what Kennedy did in 1960 to convince non-Catholics that a Catholic could be president. I don't see Obama doing this with people and/or states where he is weak. | |
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| Clinton gets a Landslide in W. VA! The Mark of Times to Come?
Posted: 5/16/2008 7:11:27 AM | He's going to be giving a speech at the La Raza convention in July, and he's got a long history of support for them. To the extremist right within the party, this won't play well.
That entire "anti-immigration" Republican crowd is going to see it's blood pressure rise when that hits the papers and TV.
His platform is fatally flawed, and is the best weapon against him.
Check the threads I've posted on them, and how little advocacy is coming from the people who claim to support him. They are avoiding defending him, because they can't.
Concentrate on that, and this race is over.
Republican support is weakening across the US , and this is no time to be wasting even one second arguing how many angels can fit on the head of the Florida/Michigan pin. | |
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| Clinton gets a Landslide in W. VA! The Mark of Times to Come?
Posted: 5/16/2008 9:13:21 AM | The election is going to be won in the middle moreso than on either extreme. Still you need to cater to your party's traditional issues. Any losses McCain might have on the extreme right will be more than counterbalanced by gains he makes in the middle. Even more so if his opponent is Obama; a candidate further to the extreme than is McCain.
This isn't meant as an insult, but I don't read most of your lengthy posts, MG. They often are off topic and irrelevant to issues being debated. Anybody can Google that stuff and get directed to leftie PAC websites and left-leaning blogs.
I give you credit though, you are certainly passionate about American politics, moreso than 99% of American voters. I wish I could be as passionate about Canadian parliamentary procedures and PM Harper as you are with the 2008 American electoral process. | |
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