| Should The Yorkshire Ripper Be Released From Prison?...
Posted: 5/14/2008 3:27:00 PM |
Saliidan thinks that Sutcliffe should not be treated differently from any other prisoner just because he is notorious
Wasn't he declared insane? Surely that makes him "different" from any other prisoner.
He didn't rob someone, he is a Serial Killer. He deserves life, no one else would get released after this short time if they murdered as many people as he did.
people stating things like "he is still a threat " should shut up , are they a medic or a psychologist . The lady helping Sutcliffe is obviously in a far better situation to judge than these imbeciles who do nothing other than gloat and stare at car crashes .
Erm, she is a Lawyer. They don't actually have much of a conscience, she is in it for the potential pay packet, saying that because there wasn't a time scale on his sentence that it is some how illegal.
Being detained at her majesties pleasure means as long as the courts deem he should be inside.
He murdered many, many women. Regardless as to whether some people think he has served his time, in the eyes of the law he is to be punished, he took those lives and should never be released.
Rehabilitate thieves and burglars, a Serial Killer cannot be rehabilitated.
Only a complete and utter numpty would happily release a Serial Killer into the world again. | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 8:25:48 PM | His human rights were infringed. It wasn't done "by the book", but, in all fairness, he should be in prison for a life sentence for every one of his murders, which technically means LIFE. I think a judge should have stated this and avoided his confusion.
He won't be released, but I think his appeal is very good for the judicial system. Iron out the creases.
Also, he didn't help himself by saying he isn't mad, he's bad, because quite frankly that suggesting he has low morality, and would do it again, as opposed to being mentally ill, and therefore released or put in a home. | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 11:21:40 PM | #well if he is released, I wonder what sort of useful work he can now do in society?
Perhaps he could be employed in cities where they are having trouble with the red light district conflicting with locals. He could be sent to investigate, I'm sure the streets would be clear in a matter of hours! | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 1:44:57 AM | I wonder what happened to msg 27?...Serves him right for that sick joke.
OT....I think its wrong that he should be able to use legal aid in his appeal.
Hello?....He's in prison or hospital for a reason not because hes a poor law
abiding citizen who can't afford to pay for a decent lawyer...He murdered 13 women ffs! | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 2:36:17 AM | Surely it is the fundamental basis of a civilised country that EVERYONE has access to the law?
I think its wrong that he should be able to use legal aid in his appeal.
Hello?....He's in prison or hospital for a reason not because hes a poor law
abiding citizen who can't afford to pay for a decent lawyer...He murdered 13 women ffs!
Are you really saying that as he has been convicted of a heinous crime he should be denied access to the law and justice?
Do you really believe that innocent people NEVER get convicted? The Birmingham six for example- utter public outrage at their crime. They would have served an even longer sentence, but for their chance to appeal- and prove that they were, in fact, framed by the police.
It is very likely that Barry George may be innocent- but as a penniless convicted murderer, should he denied the right to try again to prove his innocence?
Stefan Kiszko served 16 years for the murder of a child...and only lived for two years after his conviction was quashed. Should he have been denied access to justice?
I am not suggesting that Sutcliffe is innocent, nor that he be released; but to say anyone convicted of a serious crime should be denied access to lawyers and legal aid is an abomination against the very principle of freedom and democracy.
Compare the above with Ernest Saunders, convicted of serious fraud. He was released on appeal, as he was suffering from "Senile Dementia." Remarkably this was "cured" following his release....but then he was very rich and had expensive lawyers and doctors...surely a court of law is the one place that EVERYONE should be treated equally and fairly? | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 2:39:12 AM | Was that slightly annoying ?
Not at all, dear
I'm not sure I believe you Miss. I think you were a tad vexed. I can see you now punching the letters in through gritted teeth.  
was merely pointing out a similarly high profile case, which had considerable support for her release...it would have been political suicide
Fanks Miss coz ya no i is a bit fik innit and av trubble standing that kinda fing innit.
It may be news to you, but there are those on here, whose grasp of common sense and reality leaves me to wonder if they require watering daily
Its totally nuze to me Miss , Who is it yer disin ? I no it aint me coz i is always keepin it real.
I think [rarely] secretly you would love to water me daily wouldn't you Miz ?
Its blatantly obvious. Go on admit it.... I won't tell anyone . 
I do apologise folks but I'm going to have to go steer this back OT.
Peter Sutcliffe will die in jail. Of that there is no doubt in my mind. He deserves to for the sick crimes he committed. In cases such as this life should mean exactly that " life"
Anything less would be an insult to the memory of the 13 women he callously murdered in cold blood and for all the friends and relatives whose lives his evil has touched.
POST EDIT: Very good post Miz understood. I totally agree with you, particularly with regards to the Ernest Saunders charade.Its typical of the British Establishment and judiciary to be lenient towards its own. If you steal millions and millions from pension funds affecting hundreds of "average Joe's" as in the case of Robert Maxwell. Your pretty much left alone [or with access to borrow a shed-full more] The Guinness farce. You could go on all day. Yet, you go 50p overdrawn on your bank account and your hounded until the ends of time for £2o "admin fee".
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Posted: 5/15/2008 2:49:29 AM |
I am not suggesting that Sutcliffe is innocent, nor that he be released; but to say anyone convicted of a serious crime should be denied access to lawyers and legal aid is an abomination against the very principle of freedom and democracy.
I like your reasoning miz understood. We should all be grateful to live in a country where appeals can take place and miscarriages of justice at least have some chance of coming to light.
In the case of Sutcliffe, I wish him a fair hearing before he is locked up again. | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 2:57:15 AM | There is a school of thought that suggests Prisons do not work. They simply do not work.
I would argue that they do. The aim of incarcaration is to rehabilitate the offender protect society and to punish the offender. A school of thought is that community punishments are far more likely to achieve these aims.
Pardon me but what bollox this is!
Would you be happy having Sutcliffe living next door?
The very idea that his sentence is unjust is beyond me, do we really need to dot the 'I's' and cross the 'T's' here? Perhaps the Amercian system where sentences of 999 years are handed down?.
There are a handfull of prisoners in this country who will never be released the information is available I think under a FOI request.
There is an issue of control though.
People will only obey rules for two reasons.
1. Understanding of the rule and reason it is there.
2. Fear of the conseuquences.
1. Is the ideal situation, in as much as rewards can be earned whilst in prison, including remission for 'good' behaviour - the individual obeys rules because he is conforming in the hope of bettering himself.
2. Needs constant policing, is costly and causes resentment.
If you tell a prisoner that they are NEVER to be released, it then becomes a management issue, the prisoner has no motivation to conform after all, what will be their reward?
I think Sutcliffe should be allowed to apply for parole, just because of the above....
But under no circumstances should he ever get it...
Donkey, carrott, stick. | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 3:00:40 AM | Are you really saying that as he has been convicted of a heinous crime he should be denied access to the law and justice?
Msg 31
No I'm not saying Sutcliffe should be denied legal representation or accees for his appeal..
I just find it wrong that he can use legal aid and hire a top lawyer to represent him...
Sadly the likes of Cherrie Blair and her cronies have no morals and will represet
anybody..They only think of thier bank balances and all that legal aid money.....
By all means give this serial killer a lawyer but why dose his deserve one of the best ones?
The average Joe Bloggs in the street would be lucky if they had access to legal aid at all | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 3:05:12 AM | This might help.....
35 prisoners are told life means life
By Joshua Rozenberg, Legal Editor
Last Updated: 2:45AM GMT 22/12/2006
Thirty-five prisoners have been told they will never be released from their life sentences, the Home Office said yesterday.
But the list does not include the Peter Sutcliffe, the Yorkshire Ripper, who murdered 13 women before his arrest in 1981 and conviction five months later.
Rosemary West and Ian Brady
Life means life for Rose West and Ian Brady
Although the judge at Sutcliffe's trial recommended that he should serve at least 30 years, no minimum term has been set in his case because he has not made a written application.
Even so, it is not expected that Sutcliffe will ever be released. He is detained at Broadmoor, the secure mental hospital in Berkshire. In due course, the High Court is expected to set tariffs for Sutcliffe and some other prisoners who are still waiting to know whether they will ever be considered for release.
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The Home Office released the names of 30 prisoners whose "whole-life tariffs" are already in the public domain.
Among the best known are the moors murderer Ian Brady, 68, who was convicted of three murders in 1966, and Dennis Nilsen, 60, who is thought to have killed 16 men after luring them to his flat in north London. He was convicted in 1983.
Nilsen joins his near-namesake, Donald Neilson, 60 on the list. Known as the Black Panther, Neilson murdered five people including Lesley Whittle, a 17-year-old heiress. He was sentenced in 1976. The only woman on the list is Rosemary West, 52, convicted in 1995 of murdering 10 young women with her husband, Fred, at their home in Cromwell Street, Gloucester. The victims included the couple's eldest daughter.
The other names on the list are John Hilton, Robert Mawdsley, John Childs, Arthur Hutchinson, John Duffy, Malcolm Green, Victor Miller, Colin Ireland, Peter Moore, Jeremy Bamber, Victor Castigador, Andrezei Kunowski, Philip Hegarty, Thomas McDowell, David Bieber, Paul Culshaw, Mark Hobson, Kenneth Regan, William Horncy, Paul Glen, Daniel Gonzales, Victor Dembrovskis, Mark Martin, David Morris, Stephen McColl and Stephen Ayre.
Another man, John McGrady, 48 was given a whole-life tariff in April for the murder of Rochelle Holness, 15. He was not included because his appeal is still to be heard, the Home Office said.
Four more lifers were not named because their tariffs have never been reviewed.
Ministers lost the right to set tariffs from 2003. The decision is now made by the trial judge or the High Court, which is reviewing all tariffs previously set by ministers.
The change followed rulings that tariffs amounted to sentences, and were therefore a matter for the courts rather than ministers.
• Michael Stone, twice convicted of the hammer murders of Lin Russell and her daughter Megan, must serve at least 25 years before he can be considered for parole, a judge ruled yesterday.
From the Daily Telegraph, 22/12 2006
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1537597/35-prisoners-are-told-life-means-life.html | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 3:05:50 AM | | can i just add to this thread even though its going a bit off topic, it sickens me when women who happen to work as prostitutes are always refered to as just that, never "a young woman was found murdered" but a prostitute was found murdered" these are still women, someones daughter,sister, mother , it must be really upsetting for the families of such victims. | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 3:38:53 AM | Bloody Hell Jonny...you have got me sussed! The "need watering" comment was not aimed at you! (Feel free to make your own list).
Mofwatmy - I agree with some of what you are saying; however I don't think prison is the right punishment for ALL offenders.
Who benefits or is protected if a single parent is inprisoned for shoplifting or similar, and the children taken into care?
Of course those who are violent should be locked up for the safety of others- and as a punishment. However if the judge decides that 12 months is an appropriate sentence, then the first thing the prisoner is told is that they will be out in 6. That has to be a relief!
To me it would make far more sense to say to the prisoner- you are going to do 12 months- unless from day 1 you conform to the rules, pass all the drug tests, stay out of trouble...earn your early release by demonstrating that you have learned to obey and abide by the rules laid down by society.
For less serious crimes, I think in this country we do not use humiliation nearly enough. It seems that people have very little shame, I hear people boast about stealing (not paying fares, leaving restaurants without paying...)
I would start in school- bullies being forced to wear short trousers and being ridiculed by their peers might make them think again. If that does not work- why not insist that the parent goes into school and sits by their side in every class walks with them every break...not a day any child would want!
Don't just give them an ASBO give them a lesson...Orange boiler-suits and hands and knees scrubbing of public areas.
Remove child benefit payable to the parents...maybe then they would take a little more notice of where their little darlings are.
Withdraw benefits from those convicted of fraud- make them go to public soup kitchens to feed their family. I am guessing that might be a bit of a deterrent.
Those found drunk and causing trouble in town centres at night, take them to a warehouse, lock them in with water to drink, a matress to lie on...and repeat for every weekend for a month...I am guessing they will learn a little self-control and respect for other people. | |
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Posted: 7/13/2008 12:19:30 PM | | Every man or woman that is sent to prison for whatever period of time providing the time is served should be released.... The actual punishment of prison is the sole loss of your liberty full stop..... If any1 out there really believes that prisoners are re-habilitated are kidding their selves cos they are not, there is no time to do this and the warders most of time carn't be bothered with the inmates....... due to the political bullshite that has followed through the gates...... If any prisoner does not have a tarriff set then hell yes they shuld have the rite of appeal..... Judges aren't stupid they may make monumental****ups like in this case by not setting a tarrif but i doubt that the powers that be will release him the same as they with the Krays even though they served more than their time.....and shuld have been realeased..... shuld suttcliff be released only his own fate will decide that........ | |
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Posted: 7/13/2008 12:26:06 PM | Cant we just save ourselves some money and hang the fecker? Along with anyone who touches a child indecently, anyone who rapes and anyone who murders.
I may be a wet liberal leftie, but Id still hang those ****ers. The scum that murdered little Jamie Bulger would be on the top of my 'Kill Bill' list. | |
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Posted: 7/13/2008 12:45:35 PM |
Should The Yorkshire Ripper Be Released From Prison?...
Yes!
He should be released into a room full of his victim's relatives who should all be absolved from prosecution from their subsequent acts. | |
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Posted: 7/13/2008 12:56:32 PM |
johnorocks =ive never heard such shite in my life,
let them out! the only rehabitation i would give them is a bullet.or the rope, you keep living in you fantasy liberal rubbish Phew - looks like he gets off lightly then, he is White Onglish!
Earlier we head about hanging for the killers of Jamie Bulger - more children's blood on our hands?
People were hung just over a hundred years ago, for stealing food because they were hungry. Surely non of the sane amongst us could advocate a return to capital punishment?
Sutcliffe should be assessed for parole on his own merits as any other prisoner is/should be.
I know the Sun reading string em up majority will disagree, but having done my thesis on capital punishment feel able to comment on such matters. | |
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Posted: 7/13/2008 3:35:17 PM | Yes I think we should let him out.
I will even meet him at the gates and drive him off too.
Of course I will be driving him to a secluded place where the families of all his victims will be waiting with baseball bats to greet him.
Save us tax payers few quid though won't it  | |
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