| China one child per family rule
Posted: 6/5/2008 6:17:01 AM | Hmm terrible idea i think.
Ok what happens when someone has a child, and it dies? Does that mean they are not allowed to have another one, even though the first child died? | |
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| China one child per family rule
Posted: 6/5/2008 8:23:18 AM |
yes lets all limit ourselves to one child.............and while we are at it lets make them all blonde haired and blue eyed while were at it shall we
if we learnt something........
To equate these two totally different subjects is stupidity.
Single child policy has NOTHING to do with eugenics.
Eugenics is about prefering one race or type above another, to the detrement of others. In it's worse case scenario, it leads to genocide and the killing of the infirm etc.
Single child policy does not call for anyone to be superior, nor does it call for any excess child to be put to death. It's exactly what it says on the tin, a POLICY.....................which exists in a country that needs it. China is acting repsonsibly in this area. If there is a problem, it lies in valuing a male heir over a female one...............but that is not the fault of single child policy, it's the fault of a sexist outlook.
Identify the real problem, not a flight of fancy. | |
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| China one child per family rule
Posted: 6/5/2008 9:55:49 AM | Mabbe the wrong kids are being born? Heaven help the Chavfilled state of the UK in 2200!!:D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocracy | |
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Posted: 6/5/2008 9:24:23 PM | i went to china earlier this year and without the "one child rule" the country would fall on its knees
the populus is increasing at a massively huge rate even with the rule, but if everyone could have as many kids as they want then the system just wouldnt be able to cope
but its not as simple as "one child per family" there are exceptions and some people are allowed more.
if people really think in 20 years time when the uks population is 100 million we wont be adopting a similar policy then youre crazy
anyone really think we have enough room to house 100 million? without skyscrapers everywhere?
chinas simply reacting early to the inevitable problem of overcrowding because their population is in the billions, not millions | |
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Posted: 7/1/2008 7:08:36 PM | the population in China is in 1.32 billions not million.
1.I have no child and never.
2. My parents have 2---- my older sister and I .
3.My grandparents have 9 children (both died 11yrs ago).
I support one-birth policy. | |
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Posted: 9/20/2008 12:39:34 AM | If immigrants was stopped coming over here we wouldnt have to worry about being dictated on how many children we were allowed.
Back to China though - what happens if the child is disabled ? or the child is in need of a bone marrow by a sibling or if there is a multi birth ? so many things cant get my head round.
But to be honest I thought this was ongoing for years . | |
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Posted: 9/20/2008 3:24:33 AM | So you think this is a new subject?? its been a controlled matter in china for over 40 years guys, get up to date:
Initially, China's post-1949 leaders were ideologically disposed to view a large population as an asset. But the liabilities of a large, rapidly growing population soon became apparent. For one year, starting in August 1956, vigorous propaganda support was given to the Ministry of Public Health's mass birth control efforts. These efforts, however, had little impact on fertility. After the interval of the Great Leap Forward, Chinese leaders again saw rapid population growth as an obstacle to development, and their interest in birth control revived. In the early 1960s, propaganda, somewhat more muted than during the first campaign, emphasized the virtues of late marriage. Birth control offices were set up in the central government and some provinciallevel governments in 1964. The second campaign was particularly successful in the cities, where the birth rate was cut in half during the 1963-66 period. The chaos of the Cultural Revolution brought the program to a halt, however.
In 1972 and 1973 the party mobilized its resources for a nationwide birth control campaign administered by a group in the State Council. Committees to oversee birth control activities were established at all administrative levels and in various collective enterprises. This extensive and seemingly effective network covered both the rural and the urban population. In urban areas public security headquarters included population control sections. In rural areas the country's "barefoot doctors" distributed information and contraceptives to people's commun members. By 1973 Mao Zedong was personally identified with the family planning movement, signifying a greater leadership commitment to controlled population growth than ever before. Yet until several years after Mao's death in 1976, the leadership was reluctant to put forth directly the rationale that population control was necessary for economic growth and improved living standards.
In rural areas people were ordered to always leave the bedroom windiow open and they appointed patrols of "red guards" to check for sexual activities, this had little effect. but the punishments for having children outside of the prescribed rate was to accelerate the number of infant murders.
What the main problem is for several couintries, middle east, far east, and africa is to have huge numbers of children to support you in your old age, itrs a very selfish attitude that takes no regard to the life your kids will lead due to there being too many to raise properly.
JV
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Posted: 9/20/2008 1:00:29 PM | | Don't think anyone has addressed the issue of the gender ratio that is the result of implementing the one child rule. It's going to be interesting to see in the coming years how this apsect will develop. | |
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Posted: 9/20/2008 1:15:37 PM | MSG 16 im with you on that one , if we didnt have to pay taxes for the idle sods ( and i could name a few ) there would be more for the nhs , schools etc .
Back on topic , if the world goes on produceing more people hows the land going to feed them ? . | |
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Posted: 9/21/2008 4:31:35 AM | In theory it's a good idea - in practice - thats another thing altogether. I've heard of the 'female' babies being dumped thereby putting more strain on the country.
Leaving mother nature to 'fix' overpopulation is also good in theory ie epidemics, plagues, new diseases - only trouble is - scientists and do gooders step in and stop mother nature from doing her job. In nature, generally when there is food and space to accommodate then there is an increase in births, ie in a year when there is food a plenty many animals and birds breed twice in a year. When food is scarce, they breed once and the survival rate is poor - as a rule, this works. If an area cannot sustain a population then the population decreases.
Trouble with the 'civilised' world is that we step in and help out when area's become overpopulated and food production is limited. We help maintain the situation because we don't like to see starving kids (why do all the appeals show the kids). These are the same country's where they breed continuously because they know so many of their children will die before reaching adulthood.
In someways China is showing a sensible and reasonable reaction to a given situation - too many births for a country to sustain. If they do nothing then they will end up with more infant deaths due to starvation or disease.
As a short term measure I think they are logically doing the right thing but morally it's a minefield. Dictatorship, prejudice towards male children, etc will prevent this policy from functioning as intended.
Will it happen in the UK - unlikely. Do we have undernourished kids, homeless - yes.
In an ideal world, people would make sound judgements for themselves as to how many children they can sustain - this is not an ideal world. | |
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Posted: 9/21/2008 5:45:27 AM | i don't think you can limit how many children someone can have,although i disagree with people who have 8,9,10 or more kids.how can they give them quality time as individuals?.
also and more importantly,if you have more than three kids as an example you should not get any kind of benefit for any additional kids,and you should not get any additional benefit for housing etc.this country has got far to many spongers who believe everyone else should pay for their live choices. | |
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Posted: 9/21/2008 7:01:12 AM | Snazzy, I totally agree with what your saying - but at the end of the day it's the innocent kids that suffer if help is not provided.
The people that keep on breeding without thought of how they can support them ( I don't mean people who's circumstances change drastically) are the ones at fault and how can you penalise them without hurting the kids.
It's a lose lose situation
Could the govenment introduce a compulsory birth control for people who cannot afford to bring up their own kids - I wish.
I chose to make sure (permenantly) i couldnt have anymore kids when i split with my husband. Doc was against it cos I was comparitvely young and my daughter was only seven but told him I could support one child, didnt want the risk of another that I couldn't support. Obviously I gave a good enough argument.
Was I a 'sponger' becasue I needed assistance due to changed circumstance - no I dont think so (well I wouldnt, would I) but as soon as my daughter was old enough I went to college, retrained and have been in full time employment since then so efectively paid back any dues. | |
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Posted: 9/21/2008 7:11:17 AM | with reference to spongers.i was refering to people with lots of kids who have no intention of supporting them themselves,but using the state instead.
there appears to be a new generation of kids growing up and believing that getting pregnant as early as possible if an exceptable career choice as such.get pregnant,apply to social for house to live in,and claim benefits for remainder of life.this unfortunately has been a result of seeing their parents do it.i know there are lots of responsible young mothers and single mums out their,so please don't think this is aimed at everyone. | |
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Posted: 9/21/2008 8:09:24 AM |
The plague wiped out nearly half the population of Europe at the end of the middles ages, and the flu nearly a quarter at the beginning of the last century Mother nature knows when there are too many of us and sorts it out in her own way.
The population of Europe is now several times higher than during either of those events. Are you suggesting mother naturesnext cull is now hopelessly overdue and if so wouldnt population control be a better solution than waiting for nature to sort it out
With hydrophonics, modern technology and transportation there is really no excuse for anyone to be hungray barring political will. The EU food mountains could keep many mouths fed, rather than the crazy amounts of waste we currently see. Of that food which does reach our kitchens on average a third of all food in the UK is thrown out uneaten. People dont live on bread alone. All manner of other resources are in short supply and more humans = more pollution.
When most children raised are boys and grow to manhood leads to social unrest as there are not enough wives to go round.
On the other hand perhaps we will soon see Women being respected as valued members of society (or failing that increasing tolerance of homosexuality)
Doc was against it cos I was comparitvely young
Why do Doctors try and talk young people (or those with no kids) out of sterilisation. I mean would they tell a person of the same age who said they WANTED kids that they were a bit young for that and should think about it some more ?
there is no longer enough young people to work and pay taxes in order to support the ageing population.
KMore kids are hardly the answer. For one think for the first twenty odd years of their lives theyll need educating. Who pays for that ? Plus there is the small matter of a housing shortage........
*runs out to buy life insurance*
DONT DO THAT
It only gives someone another reason to kill you 
If immigrants was stopped coming over here we wouldnt have to worry about being dictated on how many children we were allowed.
Oh here we go another"bash Johnny foreigner" thread  | |
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| China one child per family rule
Posted: 9/25/2008 3:51:56 AM | this whole "we should have the freedom to have as many kids as we want" thing is ridiculous
we all live within a community so that we can benefit from that community.
We have doctors to help us when were sick, who are paid for by our communal tax funds. We have teachers to teach our kids, we're given money by other members of that community for our services which we spend on food or anything we want.
To have as many kids as we want (in circumstances like China) would cause that community to collapse.
So why should the community allow its self to be destroyed?
If you were solely self sufficient on an isolated island then fair enough.
But if you want to continue being within your community then you have to accept that some compromises will be necessary. That there will be restrictions upon your behaviour to ensure the continuation of that community.
Which is why youre not allowed to shoplift, not allowed to assault or kill other members of that community. Why you cant write Asstiddlywinks everywhere or walk around naked.
Levels of immigration are irrelevant. Even the topic of chronic food shortages is somewhat irrelevant compared to the fact that at some point in the future there simply wont be enough room on this planet to house everyone.
At which point its obvious to point out that theyll end up banning any unlicensed child births. Or only people like teachers or doctors will be allowed to have children | |
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Posted: 9/25/2008 6:18:13 AM |
If anything, in the UK, we DONT have enough children being born... What with women becoming more succesful in their careers and putting having families off til later & later, there is no longer enough young people to work and pay taxes in order to support the ageing population.
What is really happening though is the decent hard-working people are not having as many children and leaving it later in life, while the irresponsible people are breeding like rabbits and increasing the tax burden for the rest of us.
So its not that we don't have enough children, its that we have a rapidly expanding underclass of lazy chavs who are not making any contribution to society. | |
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Posted: 9/25/2008 4:31:28 PM | | I think it should be the law in America{USA}As we tax payers are tired of taking care of their children. | |
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Posted: 9/26/2008 6:29:03 AM | | Actually the "one child" law, as you stated it is grossly oversimplified. In fact there are frequent exceptions within regions and regional exceptions within China. More often than not, the law does not provide state support for education and welfare of more than one child. Those wealthy enough, including many of my chinese friends, simply pay a fine and pay for the education and medical care of their "extra" children. Were western countries to tell families that they would protect the welfare of one child, but if they had more than one they would be stuck with any costs for food, housing, medical care, etc., our welfare problems might be reduced as well. | |
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Posted: 9/26/2008 6:34:54 AM |
In theory it's a good idea - in practice - thats another thing altogether. I've heard of the 'female' babies being dumped thereby putting more strain on the country.
The problem of gender imbalance and discrimination predates the one child policy. There are documented stories of finding live female babies in the trash in Beijing in 1908. How widespread the practice was has never been documented or more accurately, I have not seen documentation. | |
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Posted: 9/26/2008 10:27:32 AM | Anyone that needs to see history regarding gender selection , try googling. There is documentation dating back thousands of years across all continents. The reason that China is referred to so much is because it is still an active practice in modern times.
P.S. plus many other countries, it's just not an issue that is making frontline news. | |
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Posted: 9/29/2008 10:12:44 AM | Ok thought I was gonna read a post on population control to discover it has become a death, patient zero and diseases post instead, shudder- Im goin out to buy a safe environment suit for me and my son.... do they come for dogs, cats and kittens too? 
Personally I think maybe a 1-2 child rule is sensible in china where over population is the problem combined with education for the people as to why females are just as good as men and a 2+ minimum in the European countries were the aged population is taking over. All those teen mums with kids to a ton of differing fathers is actually good! | |
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