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Posted: 5/14/2008 6:00:12 PM | Is it racist ? Probably.
See, you can't just assume that something is motivated by racism until you know what the motivation is. The bar owner might just be so ignorant of history that he really believes the crap he's saying.
Of course, he isn't though. He might not actually have meant it as a racist sentiment but in this case at least it's pretty obvious why it was interpreted that way. In the best case, we assume that the bar owner was ignorant in the beginning but has since been 'educated'. One would hope that he might change his tack if his plan is to undermine Obama's bid for the White House. Apparently the bar owner doesn't appreciate just how offensive his shirts are but even if he does (and yeah, of course he does) he just doesn't care.
Hey...it's his name and money and as a business owner one would think he'd show a little business acumen. Bad press isn't actually good press in disguise after all. | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 6:10:04 PM | I haven't seen the images but, I doubt it was actually racist.
Hell have you seen the comparison photo's of GWB and a common chimp? Deadringers
This guy used a copy-righted image though, so the current administration should smoke him legally under the intellectual property laws they've championed  | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 6:43:32 PM | So the depiction on the shirt may be racist. A little or a lot. If I saw it I may get a chuckle out of it or maybe not. Don't know. But I do know that as long as people insist it is something to be offended about and continue to jump at practically any chance to get offended and/or upset those items will maintain their power.
Whatever "Side A" does, "Side B" must decide if they wish to be offended by it... or not. Likewise for what "Side B" does. "Side A" must then make a choice. That goes equally for "Sides" C, D, E... X, Y, and Z. And if one "Side" gets offended, then other sides must decide if they want to get offended as well. But it all comes down to giving power over to the offensive "Side" to continue to offend. If they really want to evolve then the offended side will stop giving the power to offend to the offenders. The often or constantly offended will stop reinforcing the action of the offenders with their reaction and the offensive behavior will eventually be extinguished. The same behavior will no longer have the desired effect or get the hoped for reaction if the goal is to be offensive.
I believe we've pretty much played all the race cards out of the deck. It's time to continue our evolution and mature beyond being so easily offended. I think Mr. Obama provides a prime example. He seems to be the last to be offended by such things. He is evolved and mature enough to not so easily give that power over to anyone and everyone who wishes to stick a burr under his saddle. That is one of the reasons I'm for Barrack Obama, Barrack H. Obama, Barrack Hussein Obama, Mr. Obama to be our next president. We need a leader like that. I am certain he will not think any of us to be unpatriotic to disagree with nor make fun of him in virtually anyway. I seriously doubt he will be easily offended by much of anything. We need a leader like that. Someone who can and more hopefully will continue to listen to what "We the People..." think about what our government, that was designed to be serving us the people as a whole to begin with, needs to do to facilitate our pursuit of happiness and reasonable security. And by not being so easily offended himself, he is likely to be less offensive to others around the world.
If anyone or anything has a cause to be offended perhaps it should be the monkey. Being compared to a bunch of humans who should know and act better than they do is unfair to the monkey and others in the ape families. I don't even call my ex a beech because I feel it is an unjust put down to dogs. But even if I did call her that I know not one dog who would be offended. We still have a lot to learn from the other animals in the kingdom. | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 6:56:58 PM | | To all that say the T-shirt is not racist, I dare you to don it and walk a block through Harlem. | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 7:00:31 PM | | This coming from someone who has a sexually derogatory slur within her user name? Kind of like the pot calling the kettle black, wouldn't you say? | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 7:13:08 PM | are the people making all the noise, the same ones who line up to see jesus in a burnt toasted cheese sandwich?
-aaah, now it all makes sense... | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 7:17:21 PM | | Bush has been compared to a chimp for 8 years now (ever seen bushorchimp.com?) .... why is that okay but it's not okay to compare Obama to one? Double standard here. | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 7:22:08 PM | | ^ I think there should be a rule about posting without reading through all the responses. | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 7:32:31 PM | Ottawa for it to be racist there must be "intent" .
That doesn't mean others may not misinterpret what statement is being made or just in general be oversensitive. But one is not responsible for anothers' perceptions now are they?
And Bush really is a deadringer for a chimp but I have yet to hear a single chimp complain about being compared to a decidedly moronic example of humanity. | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 7:34:33 PM | ^ I think there should be a rule about posting without reading through all the responses
and i seriously think it has to do with the fact that obama barrack, much like george w. has similar features of a monkey...color had nothing to do with it! in george w.'s case however, i think it was also the simple mind syndrome comparison as well. those of us who are making the comparison are doing it without bringing race, color or creed into the situation. perhaps you should try it! we're just pointing out that perhaps it has more to do with making fun of politicians, regardless of their heritage or color of skin. it's a legitimate argument and many more are going to use it! should i be offended by the fact the those crispy little things we snack on and put in soup are called crackers or if one is placed on a t-shirt or in an advertisement?!!! c'mon people! as someone pointed out, obama barrack takes these things in stride and deals with it with tremendous grace and dignity. rather than make it an issue to further his cause, he simply doesn't acknowledge it. and why should he? i'm quite certain he is of the mindset that if ignorance isn't acknowledged with anger or protests, it will no longer be an issue...much like the school yard bully: if you react when he picks on you, he'll keep doing it because he likes that he's getting a reaction. barrack obama knows how and when to pick his battles, which is why he is so successful. racism, discrimination and predjudice is an issue because people bring too much attention to it. period! | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 7:37:52 PM | | Its funny how some people think certain things are funny, but i wonder how it would feel if someone put them on a tee shirt doing something they think is funny, i can think of many jokes to put on a tee shirt about white people and maybe if the tide were turned it would shut them the#@!(*&( UP! | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 7:40:15 PM | Just because somebody says something is racist doesn't make it so msg 18.Is it because it is in print?Just because a racist southern reverend says its racist? Al Sharpton who doesn't pay his taxes?
Obama has big ears that stick out and he likes to grin.Get over it.Maybe everybody needs to get over themselves.It's a joke.Did you cry racist when Obama said his Grandmother was an ordinary white person.Do you cry racist when a black comedian talks about white stereotypes? | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 7:41:00 PM | Bush really is a deadringer for a chimp
So now the question is ..... if someone made a tee shirt showing the similarities of George Bush and Osama would that be racist? | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 7:41:09 PM | | how would you feel about britney spears and marylin monroe comparison? i mean they did it with anna nicole smith!! im offended by the fact that 2 washed up hookers were compared to a true timeless beauty | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 7:42:31 PM | baratone bass
it's funny that you say that because i was thinking about the same thing when i posted and if someone did something derogatory with a t-shirt, etc., in reference to caucasians, and a group of caucasians whined about it, they'd be labelled whiners and no one could fathom why they are so upset and would be laughed out of town because really, what would we have to upset about when everyone else is laughing and sees the humor in it? | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 7:44:04 PM | well baratone, just remember we dont all find it funny , some people are just morons , unfortunately alot of them are caucasions tho
some of the nicest people ive met are of different cultures and creeds. its a shame the pathetic behaviour of a few mentally inferior bigots can sometimes set back the progress that took decades to acquire
as far as bush being likened to a chimp , that isnt even in the same ballpark as portraying a black man as a monkey
the animal bush most likely portrays isnt even created yet. rest assured it would be some sort of bottom feeding amoeba tho
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Posted: 5/14/2008 7:56:28 PM | a shame the pathetic behaviour of a few mentally inferior bigots can sometimes set back the progress that took decades to acquire
Spoken er written like a true bigot of the highest caliber.
So by ensuring whites always take the beating we prove we aren't racist?
Every person who ever walked the face of this earth is racist and we all know that. Not everyone is bigoted though and that is what needs to be worked on. You don't accheive that by creating more inequality and imbalance.
If one group is being held back for generations you don't suddenly hold back all others and try to push this one ahead. It takes generations, possibly longer than the holding back took, but has to be allowed to happen naturally. Reverse bigotry is still bigotry and is just as damaging to both sides. | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 7:56:51 PM | I find what warriorDawg has said about Britney to be truly offensive, that one definitely takes the cake! :modhammer: How dare you! Leave Britney Alone!!!! :laugh:
Wait a minute, who exactly are you calling the Timeless Beauty lol?? | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 7:59:47 PM |
This coming from someone who has a sexually derogatory slur within her user name? Kind of like the pot calling the kettle black, wouldn't you say?
Chicklet is sexually derogatory? I had no idea. Thanks for pointing that out... I think.
And how about you? Besides being ezzee, are you cheap too? ;-) | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 8:01:05 PM | okay someone who was truely classy and tastefull (monroe) and compare them to media freaks like spears and smith is offensive?
would you be as offended if i said making too wong foo the best movie swayze ever made? its not in my op | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 8:01:22 PM | Ottawa Chicklet....are you somehow suggesting that all Disabled people are easy and cheap?  Just kidding. | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 8:05:30 PM |
And how about you? Besides being ezzee, are you cheap too? ;-)
Only if you want me to be.
And no, Miniwheatswheatswheats, she was talking about me, and only me. If you would like to have a discussion about disability, I'd love to have one though. As I mentioned before, I could point out things that most people take for granted that are considered discriminatory. | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 8:07:20 PM | can think of many jokes to put on a tee shirt about white people and maybe if the tide were turned it would shut them the#@!(*&( UP!
Tee shirt war whoo hoo.
I would work good on redneck tees. Or put my face up square and full o' holes and covered in salt ..... redneck cracker mofo.
You could get one of me with a pig wearin' a veil and train outside my trailer as i carry her across the threshhold ..... redneck weddin'
or one of you ridin' a bicycle with a squeeze horn that has my face as the horn end and you squeeze it goes HONKEEEEY
Wow if you know so many white ass honky cracker jokes you must be a bigoted racist. So naturally you would be offended. Only a bigot would be offended by something so simple. | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 8:09:28 PM | many of my friends are of other cultures and skin color. i called one of my friends, who is black, african-canadian, etc., for his opinion on this issue (yes he read the OP as i copied it and e-mailed to him. he's not on this site as he is married). i wrote it down word for word:
"if someone has an issue with me because of my skin color, then that is THEIR problem and not mine. everyone has their own form of ignorance and stupidity. for some it is other people's ethnicity...others it is looking down their nose on the hard worker who makes less money and has fewer posessions. i do not let others people's ignorance and biases affect me. if i did, i'd be one miserable S.O.B., which many times is why people will seek to make something out of nothing...misery loves company. i do not agree with groups protesting these issues on behalf of "da black man" because it draws more attention to the issue so that it remains as such."
i would also like to note that he found the pic in question very funny and took it as an insult more so to politicians rather than race (imagine that!). since this issue is such a hot button, no one will see eye to eye on it and it's going to turn nasty and hateful so i'm simply going to leave it with those comments from my good friend who is truly a wonderful man. i've made my points on the topic, stand by them and feel they are valid (as does my pal). take care everyone! | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 8:11:54 PM | Case in point
Chicklet is sexually derogatory? I had no idea. Thanks for pointing that out... I think.
Here "Chicklet" is a brand of chewing gum. Maybe she meant that, or maybe a derivative of "chick", yet no matter her intent was not to marginalize on sexual grounds or to stereotype in any way I am sure........ Yet someone already has managed to take offense. The person responsible for the offense is the OFFENDED person, they are the only one able to have any control over their feeling of offense. If you can't say something because you may offend someone then no one would be able to speak at all. | |
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