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Posted: 5/14/2008 8:13:57 PM | didnt jeff foxworthy already do that in the 90s?
it was a big hit and i still see those relics of humour, or how about the pirate shirts, there are gay jokes about pirates too. | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 8:17:51 PM | | i think its hillarious .... but seriously why is it considered racist when it involves a black man that is half white and when President bush was compared to courious george no one said it was racist and just said it fit perfectly ..I dont hide in political correctness and I never will... Im tired of the jokes from black commedians being accepted and when a white person says the same thing its racist... special interest groups and the NAACP have really gone too far...time they clean their own back yard up and stop casting stones from their glass houses and offices because we all see whats inside.... | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 8:20:38 PM | there are gay jokes about pirates too
Well gee whiz if you're going to have Johnny Depp as the ultimate pirate with his rendition of whatever that guy's name is he played. Pirates of the Carribean I think.
Or Errol Flynn! Now those are some gay pirates. I wouldn't want to be trapped on a ship with either. My skins crawlin'. | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 8:25:15 PM | | Just to clear things up, I really am not offended by it. I was just pointing it out. I actually have never heard of Chicklets gum. I guess I learn something new everyday. I was just pointing it out as one of those things that could be brought up. Hopefully no hard feelings towards tht poster. | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 8:28:50 PM |
Ottawa for it to be racist there must be "intent" .
That doesn't mean others may not misinterpret what statement is being made or just in general be oversensitive. But one is not responsible for anothers' perceptions now are they?
And Bush really is a deadringer for a chimp but I have yet to hear a single chimp complain about being compared to a decidedly moronic example of humanity.
Hiya, Toonz! Long time no see. :-)
You make a good point re. Bush. He certainly makes chimps look bad. | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 8:28:57 PM |
Miniwheatswheatswheats on 5/14/2008 6  57 PM Subject: Monkey Shirt Racist? Message: THANK YOU get_mad_baby....I give up on this thread, its almost as if they just skipped over my posts where I QUOTE exactly from the article why its Racist. Here, I'll even quote myself: What's not to get? Ummmm....since when have Caucasians been historically depicted in a derogatory manner as monkeys??! Your arguments are invalid. Stop mentioning the George Bush cartoon, that argument is invalid.
Yes... Only Miniwheatswheats opinion counts 'round here... | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 8:44:02 PM | Does anyone really think this guy just thought Curious George had a similar hairline and smile as Barack Obama?
I don't know if he's racist, but at the very least he's an attention whore who was trying to stir people up with an obviously offensive t-shirt. | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 8:58:39 PM | Golly, if these people are offended by Curious George, I hope they don't see the cartoon where Obama is dressed like a woman, or the one where he is throwing rocks at a white guy wearing an American flag on his jacket, or the one where he is in serious conversation with a jackass.
But those were all drawn by a famous syndicated cartoonist. Guess the protesters would rather bully a little guy that owns a bar than a huge corporation. | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 9:02:36 PM |
I hope they don't see the cartoon where Obama is dressed like a woman, or the one where he is throwing rocks at a white guy wearing an American flag on his jacket, or the one where he is in serious conversation with a jackass.
How is that racist? I don't see it. | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 9:19:56 PM | Well, if one was so inclined, a black man dressed like a woman could translate that all black men are crossdressers or gay. That combines not only racism but bigotry against alternative life styles.
A black man throwing rocks at a white guy wouldn't be considered racist? Dang! I guess I just don't follow some people's logic. Comparing a guy's looks to a monkey is racist, but depicting a black man throwing rocks at a white man, isn't.
With a really long stretch (kind of like the monkey thing), a black man having a conversation with a jackass could be construed to a reflection on African American intelligence. | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 9:39:25 PM | I hope they don't see the cartoon where Obama is dressed like a woman, or the one where he is throwing rocks at a white guy wearing an American flag on his jacket, or the one where he is in serious conversation with a jackass.
How is that racist? I don't see it.
One would have to be a White American to feel the pain of what that would say in the eyes of a White American . But I feel the pain.....
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He was throwing rocks at a white guy wearing a jacket that has an American flag, sounds like Obama is racist towards white Flag loving Americans, in effect saying he does not matter, throwing rocks to wound him and show he is unwanted.
I find that offensive. In fact I am starting to find a lot of things offensive. I am tired of just ignoring it because I know people are just "ignorant bigots". Yeah, I think it's time I stand up and start pitching a fit over everything I find offensive.
Personally I feel that people need to grow up. You know if you have bad breath you are sensitive to that----if you have blemishes you are sensitive to that------If you have scars you are sensitive to that------you can bet if one feels INSECURE to anything they will be sensitive to that and will feel as tho they are :less than what others feel they should be:
I guess it's going to come down to people not being able to breath because their bad breath is offensive to others.
Get over your own insecurities. You are not the product of what others think of you. If you do feel you are the product of what others think of you it's YOUR problem. You want equality------there it is.
But you know, I am going to start looking for every little bitty thing I can find that that offends me------------- | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 9:52:54 PM |
since a monkey was used to describe george w. should everyone assume...
I think everybody knows G Dubya is a buffoon already.
Obama hasn't had a chance to do anything Presidentially stupid yet (nor has Hilary). Let the (wo)man make a few stupid decisions in the White House before we roast (her)him? Let (her)him prove (her)his stupidity first? | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 10:20:12 PM | Why do you have to degrade this issue into reverse racism? Whitey??? You are white and then you turn around and speak about white in a derogatory manner expecting it to occur sympathy for whites??? Then you go off into this liberal vs conservative bs which has nothing to do with the situation??? Are you that much of an idiot???
Do you have any brains???? You know, I am an ex-veteran and a card carrying member of the ACLU who believes in the right of free speech. I do believe the bar owner has every right to publish and sell the shirt and see no harm in him doing it. I also do agree, I have seen W. Bush in animal caricatures so I feel Obama has to weather the storm. Those who give a double standard for him versus Bush are equally as much as idiot as you! | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 10:29:50 PM | In a situation of absolutely cultural neutrality, comparing anybody to a monkey would mearly be a minor insult.
The unfortunate reality of racial divisions in the United States is that calling a Black man a monkey has some extremely racial overtones, calling Bush a monkey (named curious george) is still an insult but it doesn't share the racist subtext.
We'll of course here a lot of blaming the victim talk "If only blacks weren't so sensitive." Whatever, grow up, people are still alive today who had to drink at different fountains and go to different schools for being black, go a few generations back and white people owned blacks in the USA. | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 11:05:14 PM | You know I never forced anyone to the back of the bus, I never made anyone drink from a different water fountain, I nor my family ever had a slave, I never burned anyone at a cross, tract downs the actual families that held slaves if you want to blame someone, hold the true ones responsible responsible.........It wasn't me. And you only show your racist bigot by suggesting such.
AND I am very tired of it being thrown in my face.....as if I have to pay for it to people that did not have to ride at the back of a bus, was not made to drink from a different water fountain, did not ever have to slave or have to burn on a cross.
I am tired of sitting back while the whole world in their NARROW view of ALL US WHITE AMERICANS are held hostage buy and degraded for something we NEVER HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH.
Yes, I find that to be racist....I am tired of it being thrown in my face and a lot of white America is sick of it too. It is reverse discrimination. | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 12:10:08 AM | A brilliant use of free speech....Ha!Ha!...so funny. Man, have we evolved!!!
yeh, we should all be proud. | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 12:15:06 AM | You know I never forced anyone to the back of the bus, I never made anyone drink from a different water fountain, I nor my family ever had a slave, I never burned anyone at a cross, tract downs the actual families that held slaves if you want to blame someone, hold the true ones responsible responsible.........It wasn't me. And you only show your racist bigot by suggesting such.
Pardon me? Where did I suggest that you yourself owned slaves or forced somebody to the back of the bus? I don't think I even refered to you directly, but hey way to be all grown up and take it personally.
You're race horribly mistreated another race, in the lifetime of people still alive. Suck it up princess, thats the reality we live in.
AND I am very tired of it being thrown in my face.....as if I have to pay for it to people that did not have to ride at the back of a bus, was not made to drink from a different water fountain, did not ever have to slave or have to burn on a cross.
Oooooh the plight of the white american. Paying EVERY day for the sins of her ancestors. Tell me, how much were you forced to pay today? I weep for the poor oppressed whites of the USA. Suffering every day at the yoke of their dark skinned overlords?
I am tired of sitting back while the whole world in their NARROW view of ALL US WHITE AMERICANS are held hostage buy and degraded for something we NEVER HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH.
Oh I don't have a narrow view of White Americans, Just people who support the use of racist imagery, and seem to think that somehow because they individually didn't own slaves/live in the time of segregation, they should be able to act in any way they chose without judgement.
Ignorant bigoted white racist isn't an ethnic group. I'm not racist, I'm just ashamed at the behavior of people who are a member of my race and people like you who think it's AOK because YOU didn't personally mistreat blacks, you just CONDONE it. | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 1:45:42 AM |
should i be offended by the fact the those crispy little things we snack on and put in soup are called crackers or if one is placed on a t-shirt or in an advertisement?!!!
absoulutly not when they are used in this context. But I am pretty sure that is someone put your mug next to the snack food and put it on a shirt for money you would have something to say about it.
Bush really is a deadringer for a chimp
that is a terrible insult to the chimps intellegence
Spoken er written like a true bigot of the highest caliber.
So by ensuring whites always take the beating we prove we aren't racist?
Every person who ever walked the face of this earth is racist and we all know that. Not everyone is bigoted though and that is what needs to be worked on. You don't accheive that by creating more inequality and imbalance.
If one group is being held back for generations you don't suddenly hold back all others and try to push this one ahead. It takes generations, possibly longer than the holding back took, but has to be allowed to happen naturally. Reverse bigotry is still bigotry and is just as damaging to both sides.
how the hell does that make him a biggot????
Can you prove that every person walking this earth is a racist?? you say we all know that like it is such a common idea, maybe you have just gotten so used to it that you really believe it is true. Not everyone is bigoted and that needs to be worked on?? Are you supporting biggotry?? If a race has been opressed for so long that they actually require a boost to be seen as equal, why shouldn't we do it? What exactly is going to happen "naturally." What is so unnatural about the progression of equality?
am an ex-veteran and a card carrying member of the ACLU who believes in the right of free speech.
we have the right to say what we want so that makes it ok to discriminate?? where is your honor as a man of the service?
AND I am very tired of it being thrown in my face.....as if I have to pay for it to people that did not have to ride at the back of a bus, was not made to drink from a different water fountain, did not ever have to slave or have to burn on a cross.
maybe...just maybe...it isn't about you!!!! it is about people who were oppressed,and while you may not have done it personally you would think that you could have enough emapthy and maturity not to whine about having it "thrown in your face." I doubt that that is something that happends to you on a daily basis. Your selfishness is quite sickening. God help you if you ever have to deal with anything REALLY tragic. | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 2:13:12 AM |
I am tired of sitting back while the whole world in their NARROW view of ALL US WHITE AMERICANS are held hostage buy and degraded for something we NEVER HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH
and when did racism become limited to the white American??? Is this not a global issue anymore? I believe that the only person on this thread who limited it to the white American is YOU! The whole world is holding white Americans hostage?? If that were true than you would not be permitted to be as ignorant as you are! Have you forgotten that this is much more than just a black white issue? what about all the other races? (don't even get me started on the discrimination against muslims) It must be incredibly hard for you to go through life having to hear about all the pain and misfortune that our race has caused another. Much more than the hardship of the people who actually LIVE it. How dare you use such dramatic terms as being "held hostage by the world" when there are people in that same world still being killed simply for the color of their skin. if you honestly think that the world is holding you hostage go turn on the news, or pick up a history book and educate yourself. | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 3:25:08 AM |
You're race horribly mistreated another race, in the lifetime of people still alive. Suck it up princess, thats the reality we live in.
To not see the extreme racism of this statement is mind boggling. One is guilty because of his RACE or what his RACE did to another RACE. Grow up and leave behind the sandbox mentality.
A PERSON ridicules another PERSON by comparing them to a monkey.
Is this racist? Not a chance, it might be rude but it is not racist. So to say it is racist only if the target of ridicule is a visible minority and the person making the comment is of any other race however is racist. | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 3:31:07 AM | ok i checked back and i shouldn't have...i couldn't help myself with this one...
"maybe...just maybe...it isn't about you!!!! it is about people who were oppressed,and while you may not have done it personally you would think that you could have enough emapthy and maturity not to whine about having it "thrown in your face." I doubt that that is something that happends to you on a daily basis. Your selfishness is quite sickening. God help you if you ever have to deal with anything REALLY tragic."
maybe...just maybe...IT ISN'T ABOUT YOU OR "YOUR PEOPLE"!!! as in not everything that a sensitive person believes to be racist is actually intended that way! i believe her point was, most of the generation that actually endured the discrimination (water fountain, bus, etc.) have passed on or are aging. i'm not saying we should forget about history, however, why do people always need to bring up the past? if we want to abolish racism, it is difficult to do when those who want it gone are constantly reminding us of it. also, as i mentioned previously, why aren't hip hop and rap celebrities who use the racist terms, boycotted and why isn't the naacp outside their homes protesting? so it's ok to use those words and make the references to gangs so long as the person isn't white?
i'm a caucasian country gal...as dudleyh45 stated, should i get offended by all redneck jokes? well, i guess i should get upset only if someone of another race or ethnicity said it, not if a fellow cracker did right?!
sorry, but racism exists mostly in the heads of those who say they want it gone...if there weren't constant protests and attention drawn to it, then younger generations probably wouldn't know the difference. ever take a child to daycare and notice they'll play with another child no matter what? regardless of dissabilities, skin color, eye shape, language, etc.? it is adults who point out the differences that change their perception. (yes either way)
"should i be offended by the fact the those crispy little things we snack on and put in soup are called crackers or if one is placed on a t-shirt or in an advertisement?!!!
absoulutly not when they are used in this context. But I am pretty sure that is someone put your mug next to the snack food and put it on a shirt for money you would have something to say about it."
acutally, i wouldn't. you want to know why? BECAUSE THE INSULT DOESN'T APPLY TO ME!! it would only apply to those who are sensitive or guilty of it. so why make an issue of it? someone wants to think of me that way, that's their business. not everyone is going to like everyone else. i've been called a $lut, etc., by people in the past and i just shrug it off because i know it doesn't apply to me. in the words of eleanor roosevelt "no one can make you feel inferior without your consent".
PS...the quote feature isn't working right now for some reason so i had to italicize when quoting. | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 3:40:38 AM | To not see the extreme racism of this statement is mind boggling. One is guilty because of his RACE or what his RACE did to another RACE. Grow up and leave behind the sandbox mentality.
No, one has to understand the cultural realities we live in. This isn't about personal guilt, it's about understanding the use of symbols. It's not "extremely racist" to understand that historically, blacks have been mistreated in the USA. It's not "extremely racist" to acknowledge that symbols have different meanings based on context. If I see a swastika on a shaven headed white man who is yelling about white power, I can probably assume the swastika means something than if I see it on the outside of a temple? Why, because the symbol means something different.
If I see a star of david on a temple, the context gives it a different meaning than if i see it on the arm of a starving person behind razor wire.
Understand? Symbols are different based on where you put them, and who places them there, because ALL communication is symbolic in nature.
It isn't me with the sandbox mentality here.
A PERSON ridicules another PERSON by comparing them to a monkey.
Is this racist? Not a chance, it might be rude but it is not racist. So to say it is racist only if the target of ridicule is a visible minority and the person making the comment is of any other race however is racist.
I'm talking about cultural and historical realities, and some people who don't want to face them. You're claiming that a white adult male dressed up with a white hood and a white robe couldn't be construed to have a different meaning then a black kid in a cheap ghost costume.
Context is everything, and when you call a Black man a monkey, you know what a racial slur for a black man is? "Porch Monkey" in fact early racists tried to theorize at one point that blacks were sub human, merely highly evolved monkeys/apes rather than people.
maybe...just maybe...IT ISN'T ABOUT YOU OR "YOUR PEOPLE"!!! as in not everything that a sensitive person believes to be racist is actually intended that way! i believe her point was, most of the generation that actually endured the discrimination (water fountain, bus, etc.) have passed on or are aging.
A loooooot of people are around that were around for the seperate water fountains. "Aging" doesn't elliminate them from their memories.
Please, like the racists doesn't constantly remind us.
i'm a caucasian country gal...as dudleyh45 stated, should i get offended by all redneck jokes? well, i guess i should get upset only if someone of another race or ethnicity said it, not if a fellow cracker did right?!
Country gal isn't a race I'm sorry to say.
sorry, but racism exists mostly in the heads of those who say they want it gone...
Sorry, if you truely believe that, you're completely insane, blacks are over represented in poverty, in prison, and die VASTLY younger in the united states than whites. This is REALITY not "in peoples minds"
if there weren't constant protests and attention drawn to it, then younger generations probably wouldn't know the difference
Right, because racism wasn't the norm for hundreds of years prior to protests, and the civil rights movement happened all by itself because nobody protested anything, fucking absurd.
ever take a child to daycare and notice they'll play with another child no matter what? regardless of dissabilities, skin color, eye shape, language, etc.? it is adults who point out the differences that change their perception. (yes either way)
Yah sure, assuming that the population isn't so ghettoized that it doesn't get access at all.
"should i be offended by the fact the those crispy little things we snack on and put in soup are called crackers or if one is placed on a t-shirt or in an advertisement?!!!
absoulutly not when they are used in this context. But I am pretty sure that is someone put your mug next to the snack food and put it on a shirt for money you would have something to say about it."
acutally, i wouldn't. you want to know why? BECAUSE THE INSULT DOESN'T APPLY TO ME!! it would only apply to those who are sensitive or guilty of it.
Actually if they put your face next to it I'm pretty sure it applies directly to you. Also guilty of what? Are you confused?
so why make an issue of it? someone wants to think of me that way, that's their business. not everyone is going to like everyone else.
uh huh, once again we get back to certain realities. Caucasians have had it so good in north america for so long the idea of racism being applied to us in any meaningful way is a laugh.
i've been called a $lut, etc., by people in the past and i just shrug it off because i know it doesn't apply to me. in the words of eleanor roosevelt "no one can make you feel inferior without your consent".
I'm sure a wealthy upper class person who was the freaking wife of the president REALLY can speak for the poor black population.
PS...the quote feature isn't working right now for some reason so i had to italicize when quoting.
It's working just fine. | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 4:42:01 AM | hEY CharlesEdm,
Maybe I am going blind and old but who is this Country_Gal youare referring too??? I don't see her in this thread? Did she delete her posting????? Would have been interesting to see you debate! | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 5:02:23 AM | ^^when i was quoting before, it came out with symbols, it wasn't highlighting the text.^^
Caucasians have had it so good in north america for so long the idea of racism being applied to us in any meaningful way is a laugh.
ok, however, "caucasians" are actually becoming a minority (atleast according to stats canada they are...don't know about the US) and i've been turned down for jobs for someone less qualified and you want to know why? because the company had to fill certain "quotas" in regards to hiring people of color or ethnicity...again, heaven forbid it would be based on their education and experience! isn't that also a form of racism? so it's my fault that i'm caucasian? am i outside these companies doors protesting? are any caucasians who've experienced this? then again, that'd be just silly wouldn't it?!!
Country gal isn't a race I'm sorry to say
it isn't a race, but it's my heritage and cultural background...i could still become offended over it.
Yah sure, assuming that the population isn't so ghettoized that it doesn't get access at all.
so by that statement you're implying that the black community lives strictly in ghetto's??
look, i'm not racist (if anyone thinks i am you're wrong). i look at the issue the same way i look at my community...a large percentage of the population where i live is on income assistance and most of them whine and cry about it. some are friends of mine and are constantly trying to make me feel bad because i have a new car, live on my own, etc. i don't like whiners and complainers. someone who will constantly complain about something, yet do nothing POSITIVE to change the situation do not get my sympathy, empathy or respect. when i was in college, i did a presentation on september 11th (because it happened when i was nearly finished). i focused that on that day, race, creed, color, or language did not exists. everyone was affected. it was the day the world stood still. all the photos i used were of people around the word, all sorts of cultures, who showed emotion. the most powerful pic i used was a black man consolling a hispanic woman as they sat in the street covered in soot and dust...i found it poignant that on that day, it didn't matter. there were tons of photos i was able to find where, for one point in time, the color of skin, the language spoken or the shape of someone's eyes just didn't matter. no one was segregated or targetted and there was no need to protest for one race or another. everyone was the same. kind of pathetic that it took a tradgedy of that magnitude for a nation to come together and for once, not be about race don't y'a think? shame that people can't just let go on a daily basis as they do in the midst of a tradgedy, regardless of their background. | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 6:33:24 AM | Free speak is only a right to those who are willing to stand up for it.
This looks like nothing but Obama supporters trying to intimidate. If by some chance he wins, which I don't see happening, this will be a common daily activity of the Obama supporters...looking for racism in anyone not willing to submit. | |
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