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It's not a guilt trip over something your ancestors did, it's an acknowledgement that they did it, so maybe we shouldn't perpetuate the same bullshit on the next generation.

that's exactly my point! slavery and the tradgedy of it has been acknowledged nearly to the point of exhaustion where it has become somewhat whiney. constantly reminding people of said terms and treatment and carrying on protests, using deragatory terms in rap and hip hop, and using the race card as an excuse when something doesn't go someone's way is simply carrying it to a different and obnoxious platform. history should be taught no doubt, yet protesting and publicizing things to a point of ridiculousness isn't helping the cause. why aren't jewish people protesting at every turn? the treatment they received has happened since the dawn of time and the historical tradgedy happened in a more recent time period yet they do not behave in a fanatical or agressive fashion.

Actually segregation is more recent than the jewish mistreatment., and you'll find extremely militant Jews as well, in fact a they have their own country.

So now only are you the whining, you're whining isn't even particularly valid.

and you'll find extremely militant Jews as well, in fact a they have their own country

you are right. those democrats really did treat women and minorities like total crap. they should be ashamed of themselves.

on a serious note, most organized religion is evil charles. it is set up like governments. they instill fear and to make people chose sides pitting brother against brother. all they want is your money. maybe now you see why I hate government so much.

so by that standard, any african countries that have violence are "their own country" and are militant extremists?

point blank, in the united states, this isn't the case...segregation is not tolerated or thought of in the usa unless people choose it to be.

They don't have to worry about it anymore, they same places that elected those pro segregation Democratic party members now vote for pro racism southern republicans (you know like in texas) (Hey who was the president that ended segregation anyway?)

and we all know the south is never short on shameful behavior.

Oh I've always known why you dislike government, it doesn't mean I think your right.

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who was the president that ended slavery?

Oddly enough, when he did the south split away to try and maintain it. Odd that huh? Sorry to tell you but the two parties really started reversing their positions on race and being progressive before either of us were born.

Um no, thats not what I said, what I said is that your statement about Jews being all fine and dandy with their mistreatment, and never being violent is absurd.

I do find it ironic that Pres.Bush was compared to a chimp and nobody complained.


Yes, a monkey he had the misfortune of sharing a name with. To be clear, I don't think thats really ok either, but it isn't racially charged.

I'm talking about cultural and historical realities, and some people who don't want to face them. You're claiming that a white adult male dressed up with a white hood and a white robe couldn't be construed to have a different meaning then a black kid in a cheap ghost costume.

I'm sure a wealthy upper class person who was the freaking wife of the president REALLY can speak for the poor black population.

but racism is still alive and well and heavily felt by all that are not white. We all have a responsibility to acknowledge it and *not* excuse it nor continue to sweep it under the rug
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umm this is a sweeping comment here and had to comment
it isnt just non whites that get sterotyped or" racist " comments and actions against them
whites as well are victims of racial and cultural biasses and attacks ,

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We can think ourselves blameless, but as long as we deny the real racism that has been and continues to be felt in America, we dishonor any person who isn't white and we (un)knowingly keep segregation alive and well.
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i know your from the united states and all but for your information that isnt the beginning and end of the civilized world, all this america this and america that shows you are basically only concerned for " america" . realistically " this america " you refer to doesnt exist, and wouldnt exist unless the rest of the world allowed it to . today the hype is about a monkey being used to signify the attack on a black/brown wanna be president , but it wasnt that long ago when the " americans" were all up in arms with derogatory insults and racist comments about muslims. iraquis etc

blaming the 9/11 thing on evil muslims and all the rash of propaganda spewn out thru media etc.
it isnt thru acceptance of these pathetic behaviours that a culture grows but thru the destruction and non acceptance by the vast majority that a culture grows, i dont recall any americans signing petitions to stop the bigotry and racism aimed at iraquis or saudis or iranians even to this day , maybe this little act of bigotry against a man running for presidency will push him to drive the racist ideology from the american hearts and in turn create a better neighbor to the south
since the united states was formed upon slavery and racism id say its high time to make a drastic change

it wasnt that long ago that toronto was trying to create all black schools
talk about a resurgence in segrgation

the civil war wasn't fought over slavery in my opinion. I have said lots of times that it was the republican party, which currently is evil, were the ones who allowed minorities and women to vote in primaries. can you name something that the republican party has done that has been detrimental to minorities. or better yet, since I am a libertarian, can you name a stance that the libertarians have that is detrimental to minorities?

these groups ask for the segregation...the "white man" isn't enforcing it!

Trustees with the Toronto District School Board have voted to approve an "operational model" for an Afrocentric school, a controversial plan to help struggling black students in the city's education system.... 22 Black groups, which calls itself the Coalition of African Canadians, cites the following
reasons for calling for major changes to the staus quo::
(1) Out of more than 60 homicides in the GTA this year, a record 41 have
involved a firearm. Black community leaders say that 90% of the homicides
have involved blacks.
(2) Large numbers of black youths have dropped out or been expelled from
schools.
(3) Blacks believe they are one of the most underserviced, underemployed,
poverty-stricken, and racially-victimized groups in the GTA.
(4) Society is already segregated for certain groups such as aboriginals
and francophones who have been granted their own schools and services.

So it is only racist if the target is of african heritage? How quaint and racist. Do african people nned special protection due to some sort of inferiority? I don't think so, atleast any that I know are pretty much the same as anyone else of any other background.

Now this is just sickening. Robbing people of their individuality by lumping them all together like that. Tribalism combined with a victim mentality at its' worst.
Here is a newsflash for you. One poor black person will study hard to get scholarships and better his or her life, another with look to crime as a source of an easy buck, another may use sports or music as a means to get ahead and yet another may be quiet content without a great deal of material things but a rich family life..... They're all just people like you and me, with the same diversity.

I heard about that and frankly was very surprised coming from my neighbors to the North!
Maybe your hearing is a bit off as you seem to have missed the part where it states the black community wants black only schools so as to teach black curriculum. Black history, black social skills etc. . Or maybe you conveniently decided not to add that part to make it seem whites want to foot the bill just to keep our kids safe and the black population down trodden.

Native Americans which we stole the land from.
Shame on you stealing is wrong. They lost the war back then but are winning the new one as mainstream society doesn't even know it exists. We in Canada have new landclaims almost weekly by Indians. The province of British Columbia has native landclaim suites totaling over triple it's landmass. They pay no taxes, we have about 1million natives who get 12billion dollars anually plus from the federal government. We build their free housing. We build them businesses wich they build in urban areas to compete with the other businesses except the indians pay no land, income, business,payroll or other taxes. This is actually forcing their competitors to fund the native business through taxation. They have the gaming rights and the casinos make good money. Yet they still want more and everytime they claim racism if we don't buckle soon enough. They have taken up arms against the country, barricaded our road, blocked rail lines, and gone against say this is all because the white man owes them. But that of course wouldn't be racism. Just like your KKK is racist but not the NAACP, puzzling that thinking.

Every society or nearly every society has at one time in their history had slaves. I belive Andrew Jackson was a slave at one time or was it one of your other presidents?
Why is it only in North America that we are forced to subdue those who's forefathers upheld slavery? Does anyone know, of the blacks who captured people in India and used them as slaves in the mines, how many of their ancestors are made to submit to the Indian peoples to try and raise them above a level they themselves can reach.

I'm not even American and i'm still being punished by blacks who never went through slavery nor segregation because i have white skin. But hey you can't be racist against a middle aged white male in Canada it isn't possible because we are the only racists who exist in this country.
Note i use the word racist in protest because i believe we are talking about bigotry not racism. Racism to me is mearly an acknowledgement that there are different physical and cultural characeristics unique to different races or peoples as i preffer to call them. Bigotry on the other hand is an unsubstantiated hatred of other persons based mainly on ignorance and mistrust either learned or inferred.