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 HawaiiUncle

Joined: 4/22/2008
Msg: 151
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Posted: 5/18/2008 1:06:22 PM
"Actually this will be the 1st of many storys that come out. When Obama gets president every joke etc will be considered racism. Al Sharpton will make sure of that."


That's because Al Sharpton will be Secretary of State.
or what is it ? Secretary of Housing and Urban Development.
Jesse Jackson will be Secretary of State.
Dr. Phil will be the surgeon general .
Oprah -- Director of the Office of Management and Budget
Louis Farrikan -- Secretary of Defense
yada yada yada
 Mikella

Joined: 12/25/2007
Msg: 152
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Posted: 5/18/2008 1:15:14 PM
I love that certain people are offended by a cartoon picture and yet not offended by the comments of Rev Wright. If Barack OSAMA can't take the heat then maybe he should exit the kitchen. If he is so effen stupid to have sat in Rev Wright's church for 20 years and didn't see the offensiveness of his remarks then maybe he isn't bright enough to deal with delusional fanatics of other countries and should NOT be leading our country.
My family always refers to the our kids as "spider monkeys" because of the fact that we/ they are scrawny lil kids, all arms and legs and always climbing up stuff. We are white ( or should we demand to be called French-Irish-Italian-German- Americans in honor of our heritage). Yet were I refer to one of my black students as a spider monkey then that would be racist. Go figure.
 Brandie46

Joined: 5/16/2007
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Posted: 5/18/2008 1:25:18 PM

Good Lord... cant we all just get along? ? ?

I agree Reddwine....but people like that bar owner are constantly stirring things up in the name of free speech. He has brought a lot of negative publicity to the city and even the charity that he planned to give the funds raised from the sale of the t-shirts has refused to accept it.

If we were all the same color...what would we be fighting about? Answer THAT one.

Hair color or shoe size.
 sarabara24

Joined: 2/19/2008
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Posted: 5/18/2008 2:56:48 PM

The shirt itself is not racist. Clearly, the bar owner is

if it is so clear that the bar owner is racist then why is the shirt not racist, as it was the statement made by the bar owner.

Art is in the eye of the beholder. I think its funny... isnt it saying even a monkey can be president? Someone help me out here.. what do they find offensive about that? Is Mr. O. so paranoid and self centered to think everything any of us say or do... is personally against him? Does he want to play the victim card that badly??? Maybe Id better go back and look at it more closely and I will see what youre seeing.

hun, go pick up a history book

Good Lord... cant we all just get along? ? ? If we were all the same color...what would we be fighting about? Answer THAT one.

geee I dunno, religion, politics, wealth, OIL, you know cuz race is the only issue that people fight about these days!!!!
 meetrman

Joined: 6/22/2007
Msg: 155
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Posted: 5/18/2008 4:56:23 PM


The shirt itself is not racist. Clearly, the bar owner is

if it is so clear that the bar owner is racist then why is the shirt not racist, as it was the statement made by the bar owner.

My understanding - from a different account of the story - was that the bar owner was reselling the shirts, and that the idea, and the shirts, did not originate with him. If this is not the case and the bar owner did print the shirts himself (or have them printed), then my mistake, I apologize - the intent of the shirts was then as dark as that creep's heart...

This does not, however, change the fact that not everyone who recognizes the resemblance between Curious George (who is a decidedly anthropomorphized illustration of a monkey, BTW) and this one particular man does so out of some inherent racism.
 AceOfSpace

Joined: 5/28/2007
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Posted: 5/18/2008 5:11:23 PM
I love that certain people are offended by a cartoon picture and yet not offended by the comments of Rev Wright. If Barack OSAMA can't take the heat then maybe he should exit the kitchen.


I don't think either of them deserve any applause, but I must say I have a lot more tolerance for people who have experienced oppression venting their bile and residual paranoia than I do for people who come from the experience of privilege using images of oppression to continue to degrade and demean.

If your grandparents had been slaves, and your parents had been relegated to servant work, and your children's future looked risky because the schools in your neighbohood sucked, you might have a different attitude.

And, when you equate reasonably honest citizens with terrorists, your credibility comes up short. If you continue to participate in the politics of hatefulness, you will wind up with a nation that is based on hatefulness. Sorry, but I'm not going along with that agenda.
 sarabara24

Joined: 2/19/2008
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Posted: 5/18/2008 10:49:37 PM

My understanding - from a different account of the story - was that the bar owner was reselling the shirts, and that the idea, and the shirts, did not originate with him. If this is not the case and the bar owner did print the shirts himself (or have them printed), then my mistake, I apologize - the intent of the shirts was then as dark as that creep's heart...

not as far as I know I am pretty sure he printed them himself though I could be wrong as well. I agree with you on the rest though.

Good Lord... cant we all just get along? ? ? If we were all the same color...what would we be fighting about? Answer THAT one.

you know I just have to say i admire your enthusiasm in this question. you ask it as if the answer were impossible! Your naiveness, if not so ignorant, would actually be kinda cute.
 dudleyh45

Joined: 9/22/2007
Msg: 158
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Posted: 5/19/2008 2:16:16 AM
but I must say I have a lot more tolerance for people who have experienced oppression venting their bile and residual paranoia than I do for people who come from the experience of privilege using images of oppression to continue to degrade and demean.

Rather a double standard don't you think?

If your grandparents had been slaves, and your parents had been relegated to servant work, and your children's future looked risky because the schools in your neighbohood sucked, you might have a different attitude

What about those who's ancestors were honest poor /lower classed working families living mostly in poverty. Or maybe not working and still living in poverty. If the parents were drunks and the family lived on welfare so the kids are bullied and beaten, spit on, treated worse than garbage. If the school system would just as soon you not be there and the teachers made certain you knew that you would never amount to anything nor get anywhere in life. Yet you worked double shifts or whatever you had to do to pull yourself through and paid your taxes and all the things a decent citizen should do. But because you are white you are disallowed from certain jobs or not getting jobs because government will help pay for wages etc to obtain employment equity. Thus your kids fall into the same trap as you and one must wonder why bother even trying. So now can this person express his displeasure in the system that holds him and his family back in order to elevate others just because of skin color? Or does only colored people have the priveledge of complaining?
 AceOfSpace

Joined: 5/28/2007
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Posted: 5/19/2008 4:00:26 PM
Dudley,

If you want to complain about how the system exploited your poor/lower-/working-class ancestors, and how it continues to put the screws to you, I've got no problem with that. Go for it!

I hear you loud and clear.

If you want to blame these problems on the fact that poor/lower-/working-class Whites have had to compete against Blacks for unskilled jobs, well sir, I'm sorry, but I just can't go along with that.

Blacks can complain that they were denied an equal chance because of their color because it's true. Whites can't because it's not. There might be other reasons why your ancestors did not get a fair shake. If so, let's hear about 'em so that we can correct those injustices too.

Fair enough?
 tralala

Joined: 1/3/2004
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Posted: 5/19/2008 4:12:18 PM
Thats a funny shirt.

I want 1 of those shirts.
 dudleyh45

Joined: 9/22/2007
Msg: 161
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Posted: 5/19/2008 4:54:40 PM
Blacks can complain that they were denied an equal chance because of their color because it's true. Whites can't because it's not.

I would have to disagree with that statement as this is the way affirmative action laws were enacted and are in fact being acted upon. Elevate persons of color by holding back the whites, no matter the economic background of either. Hold back men so women can be raised into higher positions again no matter the economic background.
Government should not be dictating to business who to hire and or promote nor offering incentives based on race, religion, sex, sexual orientation or any of these superficial basis. There are many who are held back because of circumstance they were born into and i don't feel being white or being male should be reason to hold someone back any more than being female or being colored would be. The only thing these laws and policies do is widen the gap of acceptance for these people giving ammunition to the radicals on bith sides of the issue.
Racism and bigotry are the same and have the same effect no matter who commits the act nor if it is government sanctioned. Poor whites have just as hard a time as poor colored so what good comes from making that worse by giving incentives not to hire the poor whites?
 AceOfSpace

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Posted: 5/19/2008 11:24:18 PM
Racism and bigotry are the same and have the same effect no matter who commits the act nor if it is government sanctioned. Poor whites have just as hard a time as poor colored so what good comes from making that worse by giving incentives not to hire the poor whites?


Actually, I have to disagree. Racism among those with little political power is just unpleasant and only reaches the level of danger for a target who is in the wrong place at the wrong time. Racism among the powerful means that there are a lot more wrong places for a target to be.

I don't deny that poor Whites have it tough. I'm sure it's tougher than it was before Affirmative Action, but if the best we can do to achieve equality is to equalize the pain across all groups, it's still pretty pathetic.

But I do see your point. We all need to get over the racial hatreds we've been taught. It was cruel and stupid of those who taught us to hate each other to burden us with such evil nonsense just so that they could stay "on top" by pitting us against each other.
 Wherefore Art Thou?

Joined: 7/21/2007
Msg: 163
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Posted: 5/20/2008 12:15:42 AM
@Dudley45, msg. 158:

These are some words from Barack Obama's Philadelphia speech on race. Please realize that this presidential candidate is not insensitive to your complaints.

...Most working- and middle-class white Americans don't feel that they have been particularly privileged by their race. Their experience is the immigrant experience - as far as they're concerned, no one's handed them anything, they've built it from scratch. They've worked hard all their lives, many times only to see their jobs shipped overseas or their pension dumped after a lifetime of labor. They are anxious about their futures, and feel their dreams slipping away; in an era of stagnant wages and global competition, opportunity comes to be seen as a zero sum game, in which your dreams come at my expense. So when they are told to bus their children to a school across town; when they hear that an African American is getting an advantage in landing a good job or a spot in a good college because of an injustice that they themselves never committed; when they're told that their fears about crime in urban neighborhoods are somehow prejudiced, resentment builds over time.

Like the anger within the black community, these resentments aren't always expressed in polite company. But they have helped shape the political landscape for at least a generation. Anger over welfare and affirmative action helped forge the Reagan Coalition. Politicians routinely exploited fears of crime for their own electoral ends. Talk show hosts and conservative commentators built entire careers unmasking bogus claims of racism while dismissing legitimate discussions of racial injustice and inequality as mere political correctness or reverse racism.

Just as black anger often proved counterproductive, so have these white resentments distracted attention from the real culprits of the middle class squeeze - a corporate culture rife with inside dealing, questionable accounting practices, and short-term greed; a Washington dominated by lobbyists and special interests; economic policies that favor the few over the many. And yet, to wish away the resentments of white Americans, to label them as misguided or even racist, without recognizing they are grounded in legitimate concerns - this too widens the racial divide, and blocks the path to understanding.
...

You can read the text of the entire speech or watch the video -

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/18/obama-race-speech-read-t_n_92077.html

What I think is the shame of this year's race is that too many Americans are listening to negative spin about Obama rather that listening to the man himself. I believe he can really unite our country and help so many of us, if only he gets the chance.

Obama 2008!
 LoonyTunz

Joined: 8/11/2006
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Posted: 5/20/2008 3:25:22 AM
You'll not get any arguement here that Obama is a smart man, whether he resembles Curious George or not.
Oddly enough it sounds as if he might be the only candidate that is willing to address underlying issues which contribute to racism. Imagine that attacking the problem with logic and thought rather than playing the victim. He'll need a clear majority to pull off anything that grand I fear though.
 Reddwine

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Posted: 5/20/2008 11:29:04 AM
Wherefore Art Thou? says: "What I think is the shame of this year's race is that too many Americans are listening to negative spin about Obama rather that listening to the man himself. I believe he can really unite our country and help so many of us, if only he gets the chance".

You may be totally correct on what you say...but, That's all we are being fed. There's so much mud being slung, we cant get to the issues. He's so busy dodging all the bullets, he cant inform us.

No doubt Mr. O. is a grand speech Master. But, is it too little too late? There are so many red flags in my face, I cant see the good side. He needs to spend this time talking to us about the issues, not spend time on frivolous fighting and whining about people picking on his wife. (Which by the way, she needs to be picked on. Shes not conducting herself in a lady like manner)

We/I want to hear something worth listening to. Tell me something I dont know.

 nicktomlinrhys

Joined: 5/15/2006
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Posted: 5/20/2008 2:04:00 PM

i know your from the united states and all but for your information that isnt the beginning and end of the civilized world, all this america this and america that shows you are basically only concerned for " america" . realistically " this america " you refer to doesnt exist, and wouldnt exist unless the rest of the world allowed it to . today the hype is about a monkey being used to signify the attack on a black/brown wanna be president , but it wasnt that long ago when the " americans" were all up in arms with derogatory insults and racist comments about muslims. iraquis etc
blaming the 9/11 thing on evil muslims and all the rash of propaganda spewn out thru media etc.
it isnt thru acceptance of these pathetic behaviours that a culture grows but thru the destruction and non acceptance by the vast majority that a culture grows, i dont recall any americans signing petitions to stop the bigotry and racism aimed at iraquis or saudis or iranians even to this day , maybe this little act of bigotry against a man running for presidency will push him to drive the racist ideology from the american hearts and in turn create a better neighbor to the south
since the united states was formed upon slavery and racism id say its high time to make a drastic change


I agree with the sentiment .I notice this contradictory PC and the conclusion is that PC is cornered .You need to be that one ingredient to cause this PC upset as in this .
teeshirt. You wouldn't get this breast beating if it was anyone else.





Native Americans which we stole the land from.
Shame on you stealing is wrong. They lost the war back then but are winning the new one as mainstream society doesn't even know it exists. We in Canada have new landclaims almost weekly by Indians. The province of British Columbia has native landclaim suites totaling over triple it's landmass. They pay no taxes, we have about 1million natives who get 12billion dollars anually plus from the federal government. We build their free housing. We build them businesses wich they build in urban areas to compete with the other businesses except the indians pay no land, income, business,payroll or other taxes. This is actually forcing their competitors to fund the native business through taxation. They have the gaming rights and the casinos make good money. Yet they still want more and everytime they claim racism if we don't buckle soon enough. They have taken up arms against the country, barricaded our road, blocked rail lines, and gone against say this is all because the white man owes them. But that of course wouldn't be racism.




if thats true .........its the best news ever !
Long overdue and I wish them every success .

Where's this PC for them then btw ?
 Reddwine

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Posted: 5/20/2008 2:28:19 PM

Native Americans which we stole the land from.
Shame on you stealing is wrong. They lost the war back then but are winning the new one


if this is true.. I think its wonderful news.

And I think 'they' would rather you use the term "Native Americans". It shows a little respect, dont you think?
 tralala

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Posted: 5/22/2008 5:53:36 PM
As my great grandfather was sioux ... 100%

i tire of all these people and their stuff...

I don't owe anyone anything ... for what may have happened to their peoples in the past.

I don't get welfare, food stamps, and no one builds houses for me. But i put many roofs on your Habijax houses. Did i get a thank you from the new homeowners? I don't think so. Yeah for those people that made that shovel stand upright for 8 hours at a crack. < Putting in the hours.

I still want that monkey shirt ....
 sarabara24

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Posted: 5/22/2008 11:53:23 PM

i tire of all these people and their stuff...

I don't owe anyone anything ... for what may have happened to their peoples in the past.

I don't get welfare, food stamps, and no one builds houses for me. But i put many roofs on your Habijax houses. Did i get a thank you from the new homeowners? I don't think so. Yeah for those people that made that shovel stand upright for 8 hours at a crack. < Putting in the hours.


"these people and their stuff?" so you are CLEARLY racist and not afraid to hide it is that what your saying?

well you probably don't get them cuz you don't need them! And when did welfare, food stamps or low income housing become strictly for black people? Why should you get a thank you? What have you PERSONALLY done for anyone of color that you deserve any form of recognition for?
 Wherefore Art Thou?

Joined: 7/21/2007
Msg: 170
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Posted: 5/23/2008 2:53:59 AM

I don't get welfare, food stamps, and no one builds houses for me. But i put many roofs on your Habijax houses. Did i get a thank you from the new homeowners? I don't think so. ...


OK, do tell, tralala - you've piqued our curiosity here. What did you do? Why did you do it? Did you make any money doing it?

C'mon, fill in the blanks and maybe we'll try to find you one of those shirts you want. Or maybe we'll give you a banana if you're hungry. :-)
 tralala

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Posted: 5/23/2008 5:01:21 PM
sarabarba24,

What you forget to add is that my greatgrandfather was 100% sioux.

And i think that trumps the black folk.

What have i done for the black folk? As i said, i put roofs on their Habijax houses.

My question is ... why do i have to do anything for the black folk?

If you choose to call me a racist, thats up to you. I'm white, female, blonde and blue eyed.

And lets not forget that my son is 82nd Airborne. Been to Iraq and back and now back from a 15 month deployment in Afghan. 82nd Airborne rocks! And, i am a Proud Armymom.
 sarabara24

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Posted: 5/23/2008 10:47:48 PM

What you forget to add is that my greatgrandfather was 100% sioux.

no I didn't forget, I just generally don't comment on things that are irrelrvent to the topic of discussion. But if you want me to touch on that then I will. If you find me a forrum that discusses the mistreatment of Aboriginal people you will find that I will defend your grandfather and all other Aboriginal people tooth and nail. I believe that Aboriginal people were horribly mistreated and they deserve every bit of compensation that they recieve if not more. As I said before, find me a forrum on this topic and I will have a lot to say in Aboriginal people's defense. Hope that satisfied your need to change the subject.


What have i done for the black folk? As i said, i put roofs on their Habijax houses.

I'm sorry when did Habijax (habitat houses) become strictly for black people??? I believe that they are built for families in need not just black people. And was this like a community service project or something because you don't seem the type to do it out of good nature. Generally people who build those houses don't seek recognition afterwords.

My question is ... why do i have to do anything for the black folk?

I'm sorry i must have missed the post where someone asked you personally to do something for them? When were you asked to do anything? Have we really gotten so selfish that refraining to make racial slurrs has become to much effort? That if we are asked to treat everyone as equals and not mock the history of ones race that we are "doing something" for them?

And lets not forget that my son is 82nd Airborne. Been to Iraq and back and now back from a 15 month deployment in Afghan. 82nd Airborne rocks! And, i am a Proud Armymom.

I'm not sure if you missed the topic of this thread but it is called MONKEY SHIRT, RACIST? Everything you have posted pretty much has been off topic. It is very admirable of your son to do this but it does not support your argument whatsoever!
 AceOfSpace

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Posted: 5/24/2008 2:17:53 AM
My question is ... why do i have to do anything for the black folk?


Other than getting out of their way, in every way that the White people who have gone before you have gotten in their way, you don't have to do anything.

Of course, understanding how all those White people got in their way, and the full extent of the damage that was done to them in the name of White supremacy, might require you to do some homework. But if you value your own individual rights, you must treat theirs with equal regard. And even though it might be unpleasant to find out what's been going on in your name, it won't harm you a bit to look into it.

To the extent that their ancestors were systematically ripped off and yours weren't, you at least owe them that much consideration. Don't you think?

The T-shirt is racist because it is a reminder of how White people used to feel no compunction at all about getting in the way of Black people so such an extent that the Black people could never hope to better their circumstances or those of their children.

If you want to leave that legacy for them, then you will also be putting your grandchildren at risk for a similar legacy--because if they can do it to people who are Black, they can think up some other reason to do it as well.

Your call.
 mjk21258

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Posted: 5/24/2008 2:39:10 AM
Initially, I find this dismaying, but I've seen editorial cartoons depicting G. W. Bush as a monkey.

No protests then...

The truth is that no matter how politically correct you may be, SOMEone out there is gonna be offended.

I plead the First.

Amendment, that is.

What don't some people get? Are you that dumb or just that racist? People have been calling blacks, apes and monkeys for a very long time, when it is directed at a white person vs. a black person it has a whole different meaning and if you don't get that you are either very dumb or racist.
 D_lily

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Posted: 5/24/2008 3:03:40 AM
The whole thing just starts a bunch of bigots being repulsed by racist-----and that makes you better how?

It is all hate. It's the pot calling the kettle black.

Main Entry: big·ot
Pronunciation: \ˈbi-gət\
Function: noun
Etymology: French, hypocrite, bigot
Date: 1660
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
— big·ot·ed \-gə-təd\ adjective
— big·ot·ed·ly adverb
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