| Is the Republican party running out of gas ?
Posted: 5/16/2008 10:55:39 AM |
Oh so continuing to fund an dead-end war with no end in sight that Bush started, shouldn’t cause the Dems or the 71% of American people that are fed up with this war to not be disgusted when billions and billions of tax dollars are being wasted?
Actually Bush didn't start it.. Saddams refusal to comply started it.. Bush and Blair brought resolution 1441 to the UN.. Saddam had time to surrender for the sake of his people.. he did not.. so that is not Bush or Blairs fault.. and we witnessed why Saddam did not surrender.. he was HUNG by the Iraqi's.
The "War" has been over for quite some time in my opinion.. I'm fed up with the terrorists and snipers in Iraq who are terrorizing localized areas and not wanting peace in Iraq.
By creating a stabilized middle east our tax dollars are not being wasted..one has to look at the BIG picture and not just repeat liberal mantra.. even Senator Clinton and Sen. Obama agree that a stabilized middle east would be good not only for the middle east but also for the world. | |
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| Is the Republican party running out of gas ?
Posted: 5/16/2008 11:10:36 AM | | The Republican administration's policies has protected this continent from terrorist attack for 7 years. If we can't be thankful enough for our peace and safety to show our appreciation then this continent will get what a bunch of ignorant ingrates deserve. As for me and my house, we will vote Republican. | |
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| Is the Republican party running out of gas ?
Posted: 5/16/2008 11:15:16 AM | 
And alien attack...don't forget aliens and that army of Orcs from Mordor. They stopped them cold too.
There is just as much proof they stopped both of those things as there is proof that they stopped any terror attacks that weren't entirely homegrown.
The rest of the terror in this country is exported to foreign nations  | |
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| Is the Republican party running out of gas ?
Posted: 5/16/2008 11:20:46 AM | Sure a stabilized Middle East would be good.
Of course, this lovely method of attacking countries seems to have DE-stabilized the region further.
Violence is rarely the answer. | |
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| Is the Republican party running out of gas ?
Posted: 5/16/2008 11:29:53 AM |
The Republican administration's policies has protected this continent from terrorist attack for 7 years
If you want sole responsibility for seven years of terror free times, then you must also take sole responsibility for allowing the attacks to happen in the first place because Reps had the White House and both Houses of congress when the attack occured. You gotta take the good with the bad. So quit with the "Bush has kept us safe" bs. It makes you sound like you've forgotten 9/11.
"Bin Laden determined to stike the US." | |
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| Is the Republican party running out of gas ?
Posted: 5/16/2008 11:40:05 AM |
Is the Republican party running out of gas ? An interesting metaphor given today's prospects for $200 a barrel oil. I'd say no. The Republican party needs to turn toward an old hero that would definitely help the party look for new heros. Anybody care to guess who I'm thinking about? GTOMustang has the answer in Msg21. Newt Gingrich. | |
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| Is the Republican party running out of gas ?
Posted: 5/16/2008 1:05:11 PM | | I think that the answer in the last post has made the point in the original question a resounding affirmative. Not only is the RP out of gas, they are out of memory and imagination. Do you remember why Newt Gingrich had to give up in disgrace the leadeship role he once had in congress? | |
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| Is the Republican party running out of gas ?
Posted: 5/16/2008 1:17:12 PM |
Do you remember why Newt Gingrich had to give up in disgrace the leadeship role he once had in congress? Was it because he didn't have the foresight he should have, and went along with the right-wing think tank strategy to impeach President Clinton? It certainly wasn't because of his engineering of Republican house and senate seats gains in the mid 90s. | |
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| Is the Republican party running out of gas ?
Posted: 5/16/2008 1:21:49 PM | In all seriousness, even if I were a Repub (gag) I would be concerned about the lack of any real bright and shining lights today in the party. Who IS there?? People say (actually my future bro-in-law is a Repub..... ) how did they nominate this McCain guy? WE don't even like him. But when you really think it through, what were the alternatives? You had , an Italian-American (probably semi if at all practicing) Catholic , who's on like his 3rd wife, doesn't speak to his kids, etc; you had a washed-up has been (or actually barely ever was) actor , who certainly was no Ronald Reagan and was already as old or older than McCain; you had a Mormon (nice enough guy but they were saying unelectable because the Christian evangelical part of the base don't all like Mormons); and who else? Ron Paul? Running as a GOP but in all actuality (by the standards of today's GOP at least) definitely more of an Independent who the "base" clearly wasn't interested in.
And even beyond just this year, who else is even coming up? Jeb Bush?? Difficult now, at best .....thanks to the kind of ratings his brother's going to be leaving office with. Newt is a guy who was a GOP star but whose day has passed. He even wrote an article in this week's Newsweek wherein he gives advice to Obama on overseeing a "revolutionary" time.  I just don't see who else they've got going for them right now who is going to excite young('ish) Republicans and others the way Obama or Hillary have excited younger gens of Dems and people in other countries as well and so on. It feels like it's become (or becoming) the party of aging (and flat-out old) elitists or just wealthy people , plutocrats and / or militarist-industrialists, or of course "neo cons". | |
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| Is the Republican party running out of gas ?
Posted: 5/16/2008 4:25:34 PM | I mean look at the disrespect they showed to the flag when GOP House Minority Leader John Boehner gave a press conference - and disrespected the American flag by having it positioned backwards !  
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/16/gop-house-leaders-disresp_n_102136.html
Obviously not patriots, the lot of them. | |
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| Is the Republican party running out of gas ?
Posted: 5/16/2008 5:06:01 PM |
Actually Bush didn't start it.. Saddams refusal to comply started it.. Bush and Blair brought resolution 1441 to the UN.. Saddam had time to surrender for the sake of his people.. he did not.. so that is not Bush or Blairs fault.. and we witnessed why Saddam did not surrender.. he was HUNG by the Iraqi's.
Auh, last time I checked the U.N. was doing its job and apparently they were doing a fine job at that considering there has yet to be WMD's found in Iraq in which the Iraq war was started over.
Resoultion 1441 was not an autoamtic green light to use force.
The ambassador for the United States, John Negroponte, said:
"This resolution contains no "hidden triggers" and no "automaticity" with respect to the use of force. If there is a further Iraqi breach, reported to the Council by UNMOVIC, the IAEA or a Member State, the matter will return to the Council for discussions as required in paragraph 12"
Guess what Bush did? Completely ignored that and went right onto war.
By creating a stabilized middle east our tax dollars are not being wasted..one has to look at the BIG picture and not just repeat liberal mantra.. even Senator Clinton and Sen. Obama agree that a stabilized middle east would be good not only for the middle east but also for the world.
Stabilized the Middle East? The U.S. forces going into Iraq made things even more unstable then prior to going into Iraq. When Saddam was in power he kept neighboring countries like Iran in check. Now you got Iran infiltrating Iraq not only economically but militarily by aiding radical Shia's military weapons to blow up Sunni’s in Iraq which is the result of the ongoing violence in Iraq. If you don't think our tax dollars are being wasted over there then you are truly naive. Those tax dollars should have been going towards catching Bin Laden and stabilizing Afghanistan where it all started and not playing peace maker between Sunni and Shia in Iraq, last time I checked Bin Laden was the one that attacked us not Iraq. | |
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| Is the Republican party running out of gas ?
Posted: 5/16/2008 5:18:47 PM | | I am looking in my crystal ball................... its over! Yes the Republicans are just about out of gas! And to refill all those tanks at $4.oo a gallon in all those Government vehicles on both sides, I am so glad they are paying for it................or are they???? | |
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| Is the Republican party running out of gas ?
Posted: 5/16/2008 5:33:38 PM |
Resoultion 1441 was not an autoamtic green light to use force.
That's exactly right. The Bush admin tried to push through a follow-up resolution that would be an automatic green light, but retracted it when they realized it would not be authorized because of diminishing credibility, and they didn't want it to fail outright for obvious reasons. They figured 1441 was authorization enough to enable their agenda. Looks like they were right about that in practical terms, if not technically.
The neocons don't like to talk about this fact, and most don't even know about it. Ssshhh... | |
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| Is the Republican party running out of gas ?
Posted: 5/16/2008 5:57:34 PM | It's getting a real  fest to have every thread refer back to Iraq. Seems as if we, as adults, could carry on debates/discussions on other issues.
This will all boil down to the November elections if the Republican party has run out of gas. Till then, we'll get the Country Song Version of 'The Rep./Dem. done it again'...
(whatever that 'done' might happen to be at the moment). | |
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| Is the Republican party running out of gas ?
Posted: 5/16/2008 6:15:20 PM | | What issues were "adults" talking about leading into the 1968 election? If you want to speak on adult issues, there is always the Sex and Sexuality Issues forum. | |
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| Is the Republican party running out of gas ?
Posted: 5/16/2008 6:21:10 PM |
What issues were "adults" talking about leading into the 1968 election? If you want to speak on adult issues, there is always the Sex and Sexuality Issues forum.
I have no clue... I was surfing the waves at Cocoa Beach and didn't consider myself an 'adult'.
As for the 'Sex and Sexuality Issues forum' .... I'm still to young for that.
Guess I gotta stay here.  | |
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| Is the Republican party running out of gas ?
Posted: 5/16/2008 8:37:39 PM | Did you catch this little detail further along in the story about Bush getting a fat "NO!" from Saudi Arabia? By TERENCE HUNT, AP White House Correspondent :
"Supply and demand are in balance today," al-Naimi told a news conference, bristling at criticism from the U.S. Congress. "How much does Saudi Arabia need to do to satisfy people who are questioning our oil practices and policies?"
My goodness...not only is Bush NOT getting increased oil production from the Saudi's but they're getting positively surly about our questions!! And all of this in that face of:
"On Jan. 26, 2000, during a presidential debate, Bush opposed taking oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve and instead said then-President Clinton should "jawbone" oil producing nations. That week crude oil prices were $28 a barrel. "Ibid.
Yeah, ummmmmm are we angry enough YET folks?? When will we know we've suffered enough to make the sacrifices that need to be made in order to affect change? (I stole that from somewhere too...)
Keep on fighting the good fight MG. | |
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| Is the Republican party running out of gas ?
Posted: 5/16/2008 8:48:18 PM | Rocketing fuel: Diesel fuel has been in tight supply for the past several months following a cold winter in the Northern Hemisphere, and as the popularity of diesel cars grows in Europe and the developing world.
With diesel prices outpacing gasoline, refiners in the United States have been ramping up production of diesel and sending it abroad. That has displaced some domestic gasoline production, helping push gas prices higher.
The price of diesel fuel hit a new record high Friday of $4.482 a gallon, according to a daily survey from AAA.
The one line in that announcement today about diesel EXPORTS from the USA triggered my curiosity.
Refiners Tilt to Diesel Over Gasoline
By Ana Campoy
U.S. refiners by now would be moving full-speed to ramp up gasoline production in advance of the summer driving season, but instead they are trying to maximize output of more-profitable diesel fuel.
The global hunger for diesel, coupled with tight refining capacity, has made diesel one of the few bright spots in the refining business, catapulting prices higher than a parallel rise in gasoline.
Diesel prices were up an additional 18.2 cents last week to a record $4.33 a gallon, a 56% increase over the price at this time last year. Gasoline is climbing, too, but less dramatically.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121090017595697445.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
At the same time as our imports were falling, our exports of finished distillates jumped from 275,000 b/d last fall to over 400,000 b/d this spring according to the most recently available data. Much of our diesel exports, by the way, are going to Chile which is suffering from a major electric power shortage and is willing to pay anything to keep the copper mines going. The wave of electricity shortages and rolling blackouts around the world is not helping the situation as the demand for diesel to power emergency generators is growing rapidly.
http://www.energybulletin.net/44253.html
Traders of cash oil products along the U.S. Gulf Coast's refinery row said that an increasing number of cargoes of the cleaner fuel are heading to Europe, where with blending it can adhere to the 10 ppm specification in the United Kingdom, Germany and Sweden, as well as to South America.
For example, at least six cargoes are booked this week, sources report, adding that is an increase from the average of one to two cargoes that are booked weekly to those destinations.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/oilRpt/idUKN1151397820080211
?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=0
That's almost half a million barrels a day of gas from US refiners being sent OUT of the country, because they make more money from foreigners than Americans.
Interesting, huh ?
US oil consumption per day ? (2007)
Currently, the United States consumes 19.6 million barrels per day, of oil, which is more than 25% of the world's total
US Petroleum Consumption per day: over 20 million barrels per day (one barrel = 42 gallons)
US Motor gasoline consumption per day: over 9 million barrels per day (384 million gallons)
Top oil consuming country: US at over 20 million barrels per day
http://www.desmogblog.com/oil-oil-everywhere-the-facts-on-us-oil-consumption
So that 500, 000 gallons a day shipped out is a significant amount, compared to the 9 million barrels a day used for auto gasoline needs. If that was diverted back to gasoline production, there might be a reduction in gas prices to be expected.
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