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 SteelCity1981

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Posted: 5/16/2008 8:57:39 PM
Bush doesn't give a damn about us. He is out of office in 8 months and he is too busy trying to collect as much kick-backs as he can from the oil companies before he leaves power.
 teachpeace

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Posted: 5/16/2008 9:05:59 PM
Yup, you're right. We can't exclusively criticize the Saudi's oil production policy when what we're doing in the States is just as bad. Well, it's a bit worse really, isn't it? My truck driving pals are utterly gutted by the current price of diesel. *slogs off to write "I will NOT be ethnocentric!" 500 times*
 Montreal_Guy

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Posted: 5/16/2008 9:10:50 PM
And guess who gets the most in donations from the oil and gas corporations ?

2008*

% toDems % to Repubs
27% 73%

http://opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?Ind=E01

And the top candidate in terms of donations from the oil and gas industry ?


Industry Total Top Recipient
Oil & Gas $7,958,840 John McCain (R)

http://opensecrets.org/industries/mems.php?party=A&cycle=2008
 flyguy51

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Posted: 5/16/2008 10:28:08 PM

Oil & Gas $7,958,840 John McCain (R)

It took me awhile to figure out the chart in that link. The above amount is what went to lobby congress, with the percentage to each party in the next columns, then finally the member who received the biggest donation. So, McCain is the biggest receiver of oil lobbyists, but it isn't $7.9 mil. $5.5 mil of that went to the reps with the balance going to the dems.

Your point is still made regardless...
 darjeeling

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Posted: 5/16/2008 11:29:05 PM

Actually Bush didn't start it.. Saddams refusal to comply started it.. Bush and Blair brought resolution 1441 to the UN.. Saddam had time to surrender for the sake of his people.. he did not.. so that is not Bush or Blairs fault.. and we witnessed why Saddam did not surrender.. he was HUNG by the Iraqi's.


That is blatantly incorrect glamour6, Iraq was in compliance with UN SCR1441, and UNMOVIC was on the ground verifying that Iraq had destrroyed its WMD arsenal, Bush chucked the inspectors out and Shock and Awe commenced.

It was the US that was in non-compliance as it did not abide the conditions set forth in UN SCR1441, but then it was never intended to be a serious diplomatic effort to resolve the issue peacefully, the issue being Iraq's accounting for its WMD ... it was merely the pretext for launching the war, to whit, Bush and Blair LIED about the reasons for launching the war then. They LIED about France's position and the route of following what was laid out and agreed upon in the diplomatic pathe of the UN, Bush abandoned diplomacy based on his LIE about the French, and He is responsible for starting the war.

Caw
 NERO1

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Posted: 5/17/2008 6:54:44 AM
^^^ Don't bother Darjeeling. People who think that way are part of the remaining hardcore 31%. Rather like people who still own and wear "Members Only" jackets.

He or she (whoever originally posted what you quoted there) may still be relying on the "Feith memo" as well for all we know..
 Montreal_Guy

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Posted: 5/17/2008 7:50:41 AM
Thanks for that important correction , flyguy. We can't understand things if our facts are wrong.

Let's look at another Republican connection with oil and gas, a recent one.


Senate Republicans Block Energy Bill

December 13, 2007

By a narrow margin, the Senate today failed again to block a Republican-led filibuster on an energy bill as GOP leaders made a stand against a $21.8 billion, 10-year tax package that would have extended incentives for wind and solar energy and reduced some tax breaks for oil companies.

The vote stalled a bill that includes tougher fuel and appliance efficiency standards and a requirement for a massive increase in biofuels.

Democrats had argued that the tax measure, including $13.5 billion raised from the oil industry, was modest and simply took back tax breaks that oil companies had received only recently and did not need with oil prices around $90 a barrel.

"The future just failed by one vote. The past was preserved," Sen. Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.) said after the vote. "The oil companies are now celebrating in their boardrooms."

Republicans said that higher taxes on oil companies would not help lower prices for consumers.

Wind, solar groups and environmental groups expressed dismay at the vote. They said they had hoped that support would come from such GOP senators as Chuck Hagel (R-Neb.), John W. Warner (R-Va.), Pat Roberts (R-Kan.) and Arlen Specter (R-Pa.), all of whom voted against closing debate.

"For the wind industry, it looks like coal in our Christmas stocking," said Gregory Wetstone, senior director for government and public affairs at the American Wind Energy Association.

The American Petroleum Institute issued a statement saying: "We applaud the Senate for recognizing the adverse effect that increased taxes would have had on future energy supplies." But API said it still opposes other provisions, including elements of the bill regarding biofuels.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/
2007/12/13/AR2007121300281.html


So in an era of mega-profits for oil companies - they still get tax breaks.


Fuel economy and alternative fuels
As Senate Democrats reworked the legislation, Democrats said that even without the tax provision the legislation will make major strides toward shifting U.S. energy policy.

The bill's centerpiece requires automakers to increase vehicle fuel economy to an industry average of 35 miles per gallon over the next 13 years - a 40 percent increase and the first boost in the federal gas mileage requirement since 1975 when the rules were first enacted.

For years, auto companies have fought successfully any increase in the automobile mileage standard which now is 27.5 mpg for cars and 22.2 mpg for small trucks and SUVs. But an agreement forged with the help of Rep. John Dingell, D-Mich., the longtime protector of the auto industry in Congress, cleared the way for the new requirements which have bipartisan support.

It also would rapidly ramp up the required production of ethanol, eventually to 36 billion gallons a year by 2022, a sevenfold increase. At least 21 billion gallons must be from feedstock other than corn such as prairie grasses and wood chips.

And it would increase energy efficiency requirements for appliances and federal and commercial buildings and require faster approval of federal energy efficiency standards.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22240649/


And remember who stopped oil executives from testifying under oath ?


In November, 2005, Energy Committee Chairman Ted Stevens (R-Alaska) announced he would not require oil executives to testify under oath. When Senator Maria Cantwell (D-Washington) asked for a vote, Stevens vociferously responded, "There will be no vote... It's the decision of the chairman, and I have made that decision."

(It seems this "I am the Decider" thing is big in Republican circles.)

When Cantwell and Barbara Boxer (D-California) pushed the vote, the not-troubled or sympathetic Stevens answered "That's the last we're going to hear about that, because it's out of order. I intend to be respectful of the position that these gentlemen hold."

So, when Republicans cry weepy tears about how troubled and sympathetic they are to Americans in financial straights, they had their chance to show leadership. They've had the chance for five years. Instead, they showed sympathy for "the position these gentleman hold."

Sympathy is flexible, it seems.

As Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho) told the oil executives at that November, 2005 hearing, "It's not terribly fun defending you, but I do."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-j-elisberg/
passing-gas-in-congress_b_20134.html


I guess all that oil greases a lot of Republican palms.
 jmarquise

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Posted: 5/17/2008 8:21:52 AM

So in an era of mega-profits for oil companies - they still get tax breaks.


come on now MG. you should be the one running for office with these kinds of statements! that is the generic democrat feeling on this matter, however, in the era of mega profits, we neglect to mention the era of mega tax revenue to the government. raising taxes on the oil companies does not help anyone. raise the taxes, the oil companies will raise the price of gas. it's simple economics. that money doesn't belong to the government, it belongs to the shareholders of the company, someone we often neglect to mention. how about a school teacher whose 401k would be destroyed because she has a lot invested in the oil companies. also, it seems that the average american doesn't know the difference between "record" profits, and a profit margin.

for all those people out there who say that the oil companies are evil, and the government has to step in, here is some advice for you. you need to understand the simple philosophy of supply and demand. RIDE A GOD DAMNED BIKE!
 trapper jon md

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Posted: 5/17/2008 8:40:36 AM
thanks for those news reports. i think they appeared online? great, i could go to the cnn website myself. next!
 tranquilo123

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Posted: 5/17/2008 11:38:45 AM
jm:
"for all those people out there who say that the oil companies are evil, and the government has to step in, here is some advice for you. you need to understand the simple philosophy of supply and demand. RIDE A GOD DAMNED BIKE!"

Thanks for the advice. I understand simple supply and demand market rules. I used to help some relatives of mine to bring fruits and vegetables to the public market on a cart drawn by a horse. It worked beautifully. I would check the prices asked by the other sellers and report to my uncle. He would then decide what would be his asking prices. Then the ladies would come-up and start haggling with the sellers and in the end the ladies would go home having bought what they wanted for a reasonable price. That is the way that the market ruled by supply and demand is supposed to work in a simple way.

I wished that would apply to the oil market today, as you seem to believe. The transnational conglomerates that own the oil fields, the refineries, the governments, the media, and the idiots that keep on making excuses to hide the pillaging that they are inflicting on the working people of this and many other countries, are not interested in having a fair, open market.
 darjeeling

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Posted: 5/18/2008 5:29:48 AM
That is quite a beautiful and eloquent analysis 'tranquillo123' ... most of the 'free market{eers}' today seem to misunderstand the 'market' at its most elemental and actual roots. and then suffer to misapply their misunderstanding of the concept onto Global Markets.

I note you did not say that your uncle, along with a tight group of other sellers, would get together to conspire to set a pre-arranged price for their produce.

So, you have my gratitude for that comment.

darjy
 Montreal_Guy

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Posted: 5/18/2008 7:32:03 AM
Here's perhaps a taste of things to come, and an indication of how bad the Republican brand is viewed now.


In the recent special election for a solidly Republican House seat in Louisiana, the national GOP ran an ad tying the Democratic candidate, Don Cazayoux, to Obama and his allegedly "radical agenda." The Democrat won—taking away the seat from the Republicans for the first time in 33 years. The result was "a sharp wake-up call for Republicans," declared former GOP House Speaker Newt Gingrich. "The Republican brand has been so badly damaged that if the Republicans try to run an anti-Obama … anti-Reverend Wright campaign, they are simply going to fail," Gingrich wrote. "This model has already been tested with disastrous results."

http://www.newsweek.com/id/136440/page/2


And that's exactly what's happened lately with Obama attacks nationwide. It's what's going to happen if McCain tries it too.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/
general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

Obama 46.80 %
McCain 43.80 %

A three point lead in the most recent national opinion polls, while under considerable attack from two candidates - McCain and Clinton.

One thing's for sure, it's going to be a heck of a ride to November.
Is the Republican party running out of gas ?
Posted: 5/18/2008 8:07:54 AM
Help us Lord, save the world from Bush and Cheney. Please use your executive privalege and send them to hell. This is the scariest duo in history. Hundreds of 1000's dead innocent Iraquis would agree.





Ron Paul for president.
 saddle cup

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Posted: 5/18/2008 11:33:31 AM
The Democrats are running out of gas. That was the Republican TV Ad exposing the Democrats during Reagan's first run to the White House in 1980. They had look-alike Democrats on the Ad. It was a good Ad. The Tip O'Neill Speaker of the House actor sure looked like the real one. What's interesting is the fact, it still applies to Democrats.
It's the Democrats that have stop domestic oil production while insisting other countries increase their oil production. Taxing big oil will not happen. Most Democrats are shareholders and receive campaign money from big oil. Secondly, many Democrats are from oil producing states. However, it always make for good election slogans to win office. It's ageless. Only an idiot leftist candidate would actually put forth a bill taxing oil company profits. Without profits, no oil production and exploration. The reason Venezuela cannot produce anymore oil.
Oil companies are not allow to profit. They receive a payroll. Leaving Chavez with an empty bag and at the mercy of gasoline from the US. All of their gasoline comes from here. They have no refineries to refine their oil as many countries around the world have few to none. Oil companies refuse to build them on account of these leftist governments denying them of profits in both oil production and refinery.
Yep, the Democrats Are Running Out Of Gas.
 Montreal_Guy

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Posted: 5/18/2008 11:44:30 AM

The Democrats are running out of gas.


Well, you are going against many people actually INSIDE the Republic party on that one.

They are in a panic right now, and it's all over the news.
 Padawan™

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Posted: 5/18/2008 12:52:59 PM
Sorry MG... I looked. Really I did and the 'Media' is reporting about the same on that aspect. Panic for the Rep. and Panic for the Dem. Go figure. It's 'newsy' stuff.

Now... here's a link I found quite refreshing.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080518/ap_on_el_pr/huckabee

Reason: McCain is an open book. Obama's camp is going to have a tough time digging up much at all that the Public doesn't already know on McCain.

Here's a guy who wants to be his running mate and I couldn't help but love what he said... especially the last line.... here's a snipit of the article linked.


Huckabee also apologized again for remarks he made Friday to the National Rifle Association. Responding to an offstage noise during a speech, Huckabee said it was Democrat Barack Obama diving to the floor after someone had aimed a gun at him. Huckabee issued an apology Friday evening.

"It was a dumb, off-the-cuff remark," he said. "I apologized for it immediately. Anybody that knows me knows that I would never, ever try to inject something like that to create any dangerous moment for any candidate."

Huckabee added: "It wasn't the first dumb thing I've ever said. And ... it won't be the last dumb thing I've ever said."
 Montreal_Guy

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Posted: 5/18/2008 3:33:59 PM
Jedi, Jedi, Jedi......

How many seats in Congress have the Republicans won since 2006 ?

They are losing seats they held strong leads in, today.

McCain's less popular than either Democratic candidate for president in opinion polls.

Republican candidates are even dropping out of races.


Republican candidates drop out of House races
04/23/2008

* What's happening? Two Republicans are dropping out of Salt Lake County legislative races
* Who? Deena Ely in the Magna area (House District 22) and Susan Lawrence in the Holladay and Millcreek area (House District 36).

* Interesting fact: Both Republicans lost in the last election by narrow margins.

http://www.sltrib.com/utahpolitics/ci_9023232


Even the Terminator thinks the GOP is in trouble.


And the governor, in an interview with The Chronicle last week, had some candid advice and observations, not only about the GOP brand - but on McCain's efforts to expand his appeal to independents and disillusioned Democrats.

"The Republican idea is a great idea, but we can't go and get stuck with just the right wing," Schwarzenegger said. "Let's let the party come all the way to the center. Let those people be heard as much as the right. Let it be the big tent we've talked about.

"Let's invade and let's cross over that (political) center," he said. "The issues that they're talking about? Let them be our issues, and let the party be known for that."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/05/18/MNI410LK62.DTL


Hasta la vista, Bushie.


"The Republican brand is terrible right now," said Bill Whalen, a research fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institution. "It's been damaged by a weak presidency ... and the various legs on which the Republican platform rests have been kicked away."

Among them, Whalen said, has been fiscal discipline - crumbling along with the $1 trillion-plus deficit - and family values, a victim of corruption and scandals involving a cast of characters from lobbyist Jack Abramoff to jailed former San Diego Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham.

- Ibid


The Republicans have a president in office that makes Nixon look good in comparison.

After eight years of Republican rule, most of it with strong Senate backing, the country and the Republican party lie in shambles all over the place.

There's no one else left to blame, it's mission accomplished time - in an empty flight suit.
 *thebestguyhere*

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Posted: 5/18/2008 5:15:24 PM
Do any of you know that it was John Mcain that spearheaded the 911 conspiracy popular mechanics debunking article ? Why do you think the establishment made him the Neo-con poster boy ? Everyone who defended that lie rose to prominence.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/3491861.html?page=3
 glamour6

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Posted: 5/18/2008 5:46:29 PM

That is blatantly incorrect glamour6, Iraq was in compliance with UN SCR1441, and UNMOVIC was on the ground verifying that Iraq had destrroyed its WMD arsenal, Bush chucked the inspectors out and Shock and Awe commenced.
I'm sorry but you are wrong... Saddam was in noncompliance for . by not turning over weapons documentation to the United Nations. And also he was in noncompliance by continually showing that he would manipulate the weapons inspections and only allow the inspectors to inspect what he would allow.. so I know that in the last moments many people felt sympathy for him but you have to know the whole story and not just the fact that inspectors were on the ground prior to the strike on Baghdad.. Saddam had years of noncompliance with the United Nations that is one of the reasons Bill Clinton Bombed Iraq in 1998 without going to the United Nations. To allow Saddam to continually play with the United Nations and the weapons inspectors would have gone on for many more years if not for Bush and Blair.
 glamour6

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Posted: 5/18/2008 5:50:35 PM

Help us Lord, save the world from Bush and Cheney. Please use your executive privalege and send them to hell. This is the scariest duo in history. Hundreds of 1000's dead innocent Iraquis would agree.
Actually Bush rec'd approval by the majority of Congress to go to War with Saddam so you would be sending more than just 2 men to hell. And many top Democrats in the 90's felt that Iraq needed to be a Democracy but there was no plan and no mention that it would be without cost. Just that he needed to be dealt with.
 glamour6

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Posted: 5/18/2008 5:54:36 PM

Hasta la vista, Bushie.


MG.. he's not running.. and at least he won't be remembered for being involved in a sex scandal in the WH.. those are the kind of scandals that haunt an ex-President for years..almost ten years later and we're still talking about it..
 Van Buren

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Posted: 5/18/2008 8:32:29 PM
The Terminator is not and never was conservative. He's country club Republican. In fact, he's too liberal by McCain's standards and has become more liberal than Davis. The reason Davis was booted out of Sacramento.

Republicans are gleaming because the Democrats are full of gas. Obama is the sure nominee. It's what they wanted. Clinton was the threat because at the end of the day, women would have cast their votes for her in November. And, she is much less liberal than Obama. Something that appeals to most Americans.

In the special election Louisiana race, there were a lot of factors that resulted in the narrow Democratic victory and they are not of a national trend for races this fall. Democratic polls are trying to read into Cazayoux’s narrow (49% to 46%) win over Republican Woody Jenkins, are far from clear. There was a third-party candidate running as a conservative that received most of Jenkins base since he like McCain, disregarded the conservative base.

As it was in the contests for the Hastert and Wicker seats, local in-fighting and other local circumstances more than any national trend tipped the race in the Pelican State’s 6th District (Baton Rouge) to the Democrats. Jenkins barely edged out Cazayoux the conservative Democrat. Cazayoux voiced his pro-life and pro-2nd Amendment views and said nice things about John McCain.

Hovering over the race in a district that is about 29% African American is the insurgent stance of State Rep. Michael Jackson, loser of the Democratic primary to Cazayoux and himself African-American. Jackson (who got an estimated 95% of the black vote in his nomination battle with Cazayoux) said he would run again in the fall. This could well diminish the turnout in African-American precincts that the Democrat desperately needs to win.

Also Laurinda Calonge, who spent from her own pocketbook and forced the conservative stalwart into a runoff, never endorsed Jenkins after he won the Republican nod. The GOP turn against its own base on the illegal immigration issue is still costing them
In East Baton Rouge, where Republicans usually get 54% of the vote, Jenkins barely edged out Cazayoux. McCain better take note though. His wanting to please everybody is already costing him and his country-club Republicans. Obama's sure nomination appears to be exactly what McCain needs. Polls showing Obama winning over McCain is BS. Like all the other polls b/w Obama and Clinton. Obama is receiving a lot of coverage, making early polls inaccurate. However, let's say the general Election is similar to the Democratic primaries, a liberal President will change the free trade Bush and his brand have implemented. There will be tariffs, re-new regulations and protectionism that will finally stop EU countries from having a free ride. The end of free trade that Bush, his cronies and Europeans have enjoyed. No more giving out the house. And EU countries want an Obama Administration. What a bite in the ass that will be for them. One more point, Democrats in Congress will not accept Cazayoux and his philosophy. He will be an outcast from Louisiana.
 fissionmission

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Posted: 5/19/2008 11:45:15 AM

MG he's not running..and at least he won't be remembered for being involved in a sex scandal in the WH..those are the kind of scandals that haunt an ex president for years...almosy ten years later and we're still talking about it..


Thes are the kind of things that will be talked about for possibly 100 yrs.
Most corrupt administration 936 lies on intellegence leading to war,4500 lies from
military analysts that cast the Iraq debacle as "we are winning'' "I don't think someone
who lost a son in Iraq would want to see me playing golf,it just sends the wrong impression,So I gave up GOLF (emph mine) in 2003.''Bremers 100 laws,hundreds of million unaccounted for at the start of the fiasco,rampant corruption in rebuilding Iraqi infrastructure,crumbling military hospitals for vets,corruption(page sex scandal) and politicalization of almost every cabinet dept.,New Orleans the list goes on and yet,
(the few still talk about a sex scandal from 10 yrs ago?)

100 yrs 100yrs ....... that is my prediction!
 gizmosellschickens

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Posted: 5/19/2008 6:15:47 PM
First, Republican party needs to embrace immigration reform because not engouh rural voters to make up for the wine-cheese elites, and welfare bums that love goverment handouts. Second, the Republican party needs to put bible away for 5 mintues each day and attack the democrats on bigger goverment. Lastly, older Ive gotten liberalism is about controlling people lives. If Republican candidate vote against domestic oil exploration will be voted out in local primaries or ones that buy in global warming vodoo.
 tranquilo123

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Posted: 5/19/2008 6:53:27 PM
"MG.. he's not running.. and at least he won't be remembered for being involved in a sex scandal in the WH.. those are the kind of scandals that haunt an ex-President for years..almost ten years later and we're still talking about it.."

Wow, Glamour, you've got to find some more up-to-date topics. I guess that when you say "we" you mean you and your friends, because neither my friends nor I are talking about that. I mean, talking about the sex in the WH... "almost ten years later," borders on the insane, in more than one way for sure. A more up-to-date sex scandal that could get someone interested in current affairs would involve a republican senator in a bathroom at the airport in Minneapolis/Saint Paul.
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