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 Montreal_Guy

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Is President Bush determined to start a war with Iran before he leaves office?
Posted: 5/15/2008 3:59:35 PM
Open a third front ?

Watch Iraq collapse overnight, as the main supporters of the Iraq occupation go nuts when their spiritual homeland is attacked.

Do this, and Iraq's plunged into mayhem, and it's helos off the American embassy roof time.
 glamour6

Joined: 4/7/2008
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Is President Bush determined to start a war with Iran before he leaves office?
Posted: 5/15/2008 4:17:11 PM
How about this scenario.. attack Iran and the militias in Iraq head to Iran.. Iraq becomes less violent and Iran stops sending bombs and weapons to Iraq.... hmmm
 Montreal_Guy

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Is President Bush determined to start a war with Iran before he leaves office?
Posted: 5/15/2008 4:35:25 PM

Iran stops sending bombs and weapons to Iraq.


Well, I guess you didn't read this news story then.


IRAQ: The elusive Iranian weapons

There was something interesting missing from Maj. Gen. Kevin Bergner's introductory remarks to journalists at his regular news briefing in Baghdad on Wednesday: the word "Iran," or any form of it. It was especially striking as Bergner, the U.S. military spokesman here, announced the extraordinary list of weapons and munitions that have been uncovered in recent weeks since fighting erupted between Iraqi and U.S. security forces and Shiite militiamen.

Among other things, Bergner cited 20,000 "items of ammunition, explosives and weapons" reported by Iraqi forces in the central city of Karbala; an additional Karbala cache containing 570 explosive devices, nine mortars, four anti-aircraft missiles, and 45 RPGs; and in the southern city of Basra alone, 39 mortar tubes, 1,800 mortars and artillery rounds, 600 rockets, and 387 roadside bombs.

Not once did Bergner point the finger at Iran for any of these weapons and munitions, which is a striking change from just a couple of weeks ago when U.S. military officials here and at the Pentagon were saying that caches found in Basra in particular had revealed Iranian-made arms manufactured as recently as this year. They say the majority of rockets being fired at U.S. bases, including Baghdad's Green Zone, are launched by militiamen receiving training, arms and other aid from Iran.

Today brought fresh attacks, including an unusual barrage fired at a military base used by British and U.S. forces in Basra, in southern Iraq. A statement said "several" rockets hit the base during the afternoon, and that initial reports indicated two civilian contractors were killed, and four soldiers and four civilians injured.

A plan to show some alleged Iranian-supplied explosives to journalists last week in Karbala and then destroy them was canceled after the United States realized none of them was from Iran. A U.S. military spokesman attributed the confusion to a misunderstanding that emerged after an Iraqi Army general in Karbala erroneously reported the items were of Iranian origin.

When U.S. explosives experts went to investigate, they discovered they were not Iranian after all.


http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2008/05/iraq-the-elusiv.html


OOPS .
 2wheel

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Is President Bush determined to start a war with Iran before he leaves office?
Posted: 5/15/2008 6:03:22 PM
I guess the iranians should just sit back and wait for another war... backed by the US...
just like the last time .... when...


In January 1998, President Clinton warned America it must "confront the new hazards of chemical and biological weapons, and the outlaw states, terrorists and organized criminals seeking to acquire them."

However, in the Iraq-Iran war of the 1980s, Washington had backed Saddam Hussein. According to US Senate Committee reports in 1994, private American companies, under application and licensing by the US Department of Commerce, supplied Hussein with chemical and biological weapons ingredients. Hussein was using chemical weapons against Iranians.

US officials today speak as if Hussein's WMDs were a tremendous threat. In the 1980s, these officials were quite happy to see him using them to annihilate Iranians.

Total casualties in the Iran-Iraq War for both sides is estimated by numerous sources to be at least 1,000,000, including 500,000-600,000 Iranians.

Iranians had overthrown the US-backed dictator Shah Pahlavi, and were now seen as varmints in need of extermination. Poison gas was just the thing to get the job done.

Michael Clodfelter reports Iran's casualties in the Iran-Iraq War were at least 450,000 killed, 600,000 wounded, and 45,000 prisoners, with the total killed possibly as high as 730,000, and 1.2 million wounded.

US foreign aid to Saddam Hussein was used on Iraqis, too. The poison gas was used to exterminate Iraqi Kurds and Iraqi Shiites.

Human Rights World Report 2004 estimates that "in the last twenty-five years of Ba`th Party rule the Iraqi government murdered or 'disappeared' some quarter of a million Iraqis, if not more."

Following the Iran-Iraq War of the 1980s, the Iraqi and Kuwaiti governments quarreled, and US officials sided with the Kuwaitis. In the resulting Gulf War One, casualties numbered at least 100,000 Iraqis killed, but the count runs as high as 150,000.

In the aftermath of this war, during the international embargo against Iraqis that began in 1990, accepted estimates of Iraqi deaths (mostly children under the age of five) run as high as 500,000, from malnutrition and other illnesses resulting from deprivation. By 1999, the UN made much higher estimates: as many as a million Iraqis, mostly children, had died under the US-enforced sanctions.

Before the US began backing Saddam Hussein (because he was killing Iranians), oil-rich Iraq was one of the most affluent and modern places in the Mideast. Said U.N. special envoy Prakash Shah, "People were clearly much more prosperous, their lifestyle was much better, their health was clearly much more healthy. You didn't see beggars, for example, on the streets, or either women or children begging on the streets or near the mosque as you do now."


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 UniqueManinSoCal

Joined: 8/26/2007
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Is President Bush determined to start a war with Iran before he leaves office?
Posted: 5/15/2008 7:09:00 PM
I leave nothing beyond the realm of possibility with that idiot Bush and that deeply evil Cheney. I do believe my uncle who recently retired from a major defense contractor that spent the last year working on electronics that will withstand carrying baby nukes for the specific purpose of their use on Iran. Hell Bush and Cheney have done everything they could to destroy this country from within, I guess starting a 3rd war would just finish what they have been doing for the last 8 years.
 itechman42

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Posted: 5/15/2008 7:25:30 PM

By 1999, the UN made much higher estimates: as many as a million Iraqis, mostly children, had died under the US-enforced sanctions.


They were sanctions completely voted upon and supported by the UN. I guess the writer doesn't care to mention Kofi's lucrative years from the 'Oil for Not Food' program?

I'm not making the argument that the US is beyond reproach here, but either the UN absolves itself from it's own participation or the writer ignores that the sanctions were imposed by the UN and supported by many nations to reinforce a bias.
 gtomustang

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Is President Bush determined to start a war with Iran before he leaves office?
Posted: 5/16/2008 9:35:43 AM
bush, and the neocons pulling his strings, see no one else but them, willing to attempt to negate Iran's power in the MidEast. Its ironic how much we've contributed to it. We took out their main enemy, Saddam, and a minor enemy, the Taliban. Iran has only two onerous neighbors left, the Saudis (did you notice we want to sell them nuclear tech so they have more oil to give us? We tried this with Iran back in 1978, I believe it was, when the Shah ran the place...and look where we are right now), and the Israelis. We had a chance to deal with the Iranians after we invaded Iraq, and now we wish we had that chance again, to help end the war in Iraq. The president of Iran needs little help staying in power, he can just point to us, and ask, "which is the greater threat to you? Me or the US and its bombs?"

Iran gave the Israelis a helluva wakeup call, when the latter ran into Lebanon last year and got stopped hard by Hezbollah. The Israelis are still investigating who dropped the ball on that one. so, we can't rely on the Israelis to drop some bombs (that most likely won't work--bunker busters get their speed from gravity, and don't get up to a speed that would really penetrate the earth and reach a properly contained bunker. Of course, with most metal casings, the bomb would just crush itself if it did reach a speed to penetrate the earth that far).

If we did attack Iran, how would we do it? Not with ground troops or SpecFor. Our Air Force is occupied with air support in Iraq. But the Navy....we could send some Tomahawks or equivalent up from the Persian Gulf, moving north. But, pull out a map, and you see a problem....missiles moving north, may trigger old Soviet warning systems that an attack is iminent. Its not like we can warn the Russians ahead of time, b/c we've ticked them off too, plus its their equipment that is in Iran (10 years from developing anything, according to the UN).

So, is that why we want to put missiles in Poland? a defense system in case our attack on Iran triggers an aging Soviet missile system?

You really want to get concerned? Think about all those "foriegn" (no, not us, the other non-Iraqis) fighters going into Iraq, getting training, getting practice at waging war (which is exactly what they did in Afganistan, so they should thank us for opening a new place for them)...and then going back home. Most come from Saudi Arabia, the next highest is Libya. We probably don't worry about Libya having insurgencies, except they have the light sweet crude we crave. But do we want more angry young trained men returning to SA, like they did from Afganistan? does bin Ladin ring a bell?

Its like dropping a stone in the water....the ripples are spreading outward. And that's even if we don't drop a bomb in Iran...
 Suthn_Boy

Joined: 7/17/2006
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Is President Bush determined to start a war with Iran before he leaves office?
Posted: 5/16/2008 10:41:29 AM
Wouldn't surprise me at all if the Shrub had it in mind to mix it up with Iran.. In fact I think he'd LOVE to.. Even though we have no military in reserve to be doing such things, and we certainly can't afford to..

Keep in mind though, he's not exactly a rational thinker. And he's got Cheney egging him on all the time.

-Suth'nBoy

 Just alittle crazy

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Is President Bush determined to start a war with Iran before he leaves office?
Posted: 5/16/2008 6:49:24 PM

I am so upset that I can hardly even speak...

"chosen people" "promise of God".....i think i'm gonna puke...


Why are you going to puke? I could only assume when you hear God and war together it gives you a bad taste in your mouth. I read the whole article. Its a fact most Americans believe that Israel should live in peace. A Country the size of New Jersey. surrounded my so much Arab land on all sides, maybe the Arabs should help Arabs. No one is helping Israel but the USA and I do hope the Brits are. Its a fact Iran hates Israel as well as the other Arab countries. Its a fact that Iran and other Arab states would like to develop nuclear weapons and use them on Israel and America. Don't be so blind.

I hate war like so many of us do. Its inevitable when we live in a world with so much hatred towards each other. Don't worry it will be all over sooner then you think. In a not so good way. I say this because of the way things have been going since Iran held the USA hostages way back when. And also how the world looks at standing up against terrorism now. Now we are the terrorists it seems to the world. The young radicals have grown up now and have better toys.

I wish the USA would let the world fix the world itself and lets concentrate on our own economy for a change. Yes I so think it went to long this war in Iraq. But we tend to forget why we got there in the first place and how we all thought at the time after 9/11. It was OK for Saddam to do all the things he did to other countries and his own people. How could we! Try to get him out of power. How could we stop his dictatorship. His own people hung him. I am so tired of all this and I am sure many are. Pray for the day when we are out of Iraq and for the day when we are concentrating on our own people that pay taxes here.
 gentalltheway

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Is President Bush determined to start a war with Iran before he leaves office?
Posted: 5/16/2008 8:32:23 PM
I have no doubt whatsoever that he will have is war with Iran. He just needs to find another excuse/lie and of course to have the world behind them. How do you get that excuse/lie? Another attack on US soil should do the trick to which of course, will provide Bush with the opportunity to have the US under dictatorship from that day on. No elections in 2008. After all, the Bush team did prepared the foundation for just that when they signed NSPD-51, as a National Security Presidential Directive, and HSPD-20, as a Homeland Security Presidential Directive in 2007.

Bush tried on so many occasions, to provoke Iran without any success whatsoever. They even went to the point of lying…AGAIN! Same bullshit…just used in a different format. An attack in the US would offer them the possibility to blame Iran immediately. It shouldn’t be much of a problem for the master and commander considering that he has done it before.

I hate to be pessimistic but…well…we shall see.
 Chevelle67

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Is President Bush determined to start a war with Iran before he leaves office?
Posted: 5/18/2008 5:59:50 AM
I hope Bush does start a war with Iran before he leaves office. If Obama is President we might just be speaking arabic here shortly in the United States
 frankster_p

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Posted: 5/18/2008 8:06:37 AM
^^^
Stuff likes this makes me laugh.
Going to volunteer? Urge your family members to?

Why attack another soverign nation for no reason?
 2wheel

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Posted: 5/20/2008 11:25:26 AM

AnArmy Radio report that claimed US President George W. Bush intends to attack Iran before the end of his term.


http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1210668683139&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull
 nefarious101

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Is President Bush determined to start a war with Iran before he leaves office?
Posted: 5/20/2008 11:37:13 AM
If Iran is killing US Soldiers supplying munitions to its surrogates in Iraq...why not put a stop to it?

To read many of these posts you'd think that a war with Iran would be like us fighting another super power. Amazes how fast some want to run away...until forced to fight another day. Pretty soon there is nowhere to hide.
 gentalltheway

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Is President Bush determined to start a war with Iran before he leaves office?
Posted: 5/20/2008 11:50:00 AM

If Iran is killing US Soldiers supplying munitions to its surrogates in Iraq...why not put a stop to it?


Operative word.. IF! There's no proof of it so why bring it up?
 nefarious101

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Posted: 5/20/2008 12:04:05 PM
OK

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601116&sid=a2drOF5lbDcg&refer=africa

U.S. Says Newly Made Iranian Weapons Found in Iraq, WSJ Says

By Joseph Galante

April 25 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. military said it found Iranian mortars, rockets and explosives in Iraq that were made in the past two months, leading officials to believe Iran is sending weapons into the country despite promises to the contrary, the Wall Street Journal reported.
 gentalltheway

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Posted: 5/20/2008 12:22:31 PM

April 25 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. military said it found Iranian mortars, rockets and explosives in Iraq that were made in the past two months, leading officials to believe Iran is sending weapons into the country despite promises to the contrary, the Wall Street Journal reported.


There was no proof whatsoever that those weapons came from Iran. In fact, the US was suppose to post the proof once a delegation from Iraq went to Iran but guess what...it never happened! Just more lies and nothing more.

Futhermore, I would suggest that you move up to Msg 28.
 nefarious101

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Posted: 5/20/2008 12:26:48 PM
lol...ignoring something is a denial..I like that.
 Nightwing66

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Is President Bush determined to start a war with Iran before he leaves office?
Posted: 5/20/2008 12:37:26 PM
Amazing at how perfectly the dogs of war play into Bin Laden's plan to reduce US influence in the Middle East.

Guess the dogs didn't read much history on what happens to Empires that insist on fighting multi-front wars against 'insurgents' on their own ground.

It takes 50 bucks to sit in a cave w/ a rocket launcher for a month......it takes 500 billion to go half way around the world & find that cave.

Which one is going to run out of resources sooner?
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