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| Did Bush commit political treason today ? Posted: 5/15/2008 11:02:50 PM | | The president is so smart as to go and demonstrate the division of America to the world in an effort to pursue his own personal agenda. America's political position needs to be one of solidarity, unity and conformity. America can't afford its leader to be out talking to the world about how America is divided. That's an in-house problem and he continues to be a home-wrecker. | |
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| Did Bush commit political treason today ? Posted: 5/15/2008 11:13:51 PM |
it's still a tabloid paper. I don't go to fox news for news, why would I care what someone from this paper said.
I've been saving up this one for awhile.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_fallacy
The genetic fallacy is a fallacy of irrelevance where a conclusion is suggested based solely on something or someone's origin rather than its current meaning or context. This overlooks any difference to be found in the present situation, typically transferring the positive or negative esteem from the earlier context.
The fallacy therefore fails to assess the claim on its merit. The first criterion of a good argument is that the premises must have bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim in question.[1] Genetic accounts of an issue may be true, and they may help illuminate the reasons why the issue has assumed its present form, but they are irrelevant to its merits. [2]
According to the Oxford Companion to Philosophy, the term originates in Morris Cohen and Ernest Nagel's book Logic and Scientific Method.
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| Did Bush commit political treason today ? Posted: 5/15/2008 11:41:47 PM | He was recounting history not politics. His words were: "Some seem to believe that we should negotiate with the terrorists and radicals as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they had been wrong all along. We've heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American Senator declared, "Lord, if I could only have talked to Hitler, all this might have been avoided." We have an obligation to call this what it is, the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history".
Of course he's right. He looked authoritative. He looked more authoritative than McCain does. He looked more authoritative than Obama does. What is going on here is that the Democratic party is trying to create a false issue. Bush with an unprecedented political attack from foreign soil. They're trying to create a false issue. They are trying to immunize Obama from criticism on his pathetic ignorance on foreign policy. They send Kerry out to talk, who lost the presidency. They send Tom Daschle out to talk, who lost his Senate seat. By the way, did Howard Dean or any of these other people demand that Jimmy Carter apologize for any of the so-called political attacks on his own country and on Israel that he has made in his international travels? Of course not. They are just upset because somebody got the truth out about Obama and what he intends to do. The illustration that the Democrats have only losers to support their flawed candidate. They've got to send Daschle out. They've got to send the haughty John Kerry out. They're doing everything they can to shield Obama from any attack because they need to shield his incompetence.
Bush just finally exposed the appeasers. Something he should have been doing since at least 2004. And the liberals are going ballistic, they hate it when they are exposed. If they had kept civilized and quiet, it would not had reminded us of their treason ways.
There's a column by Marc Sheppard at the AmericanThinker.com. Here is a quote from Obama: "It's conceivable that there are those in the Arab world who say to themselves, 'This is a guy who spent time in the Muslim world. He has the middle name of Hussein and appears more worldly, and has called for talks with people. So he's not going to be engaging in the same sort of cowboy diplomacy as George Bush, and that's something they're hopeful about. I think that's a perfectly legitimate perception as long as they're not confused about my unyielding support for Israel's security." Now, Obama himself is admitting that Arabs -- that terrorists, Islamofascist enemies -- might want to talk to him because he's "worldly." He spent time in the Muslim world, and his middle name is Hussein, and he's called for talks with people. So when you hear this quote, there's a lot in this quote to trouble you and to bother you. | |
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| Did Bush commit political treason today ? Posted: 5/16/2008 12:10:56 AM | | This guy likes to parallel his presidency to that of Lincoln's and now he wants to compare Obama's position of progressive diplomacy to that of a Senator's from seventy years ago. I thought this guy disliked FISA Law because it's thirty years old. That's my leader. He demonstrates the fact that our education sytem is ruined. | |
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| Did Bush commit political treason today ? Posted: 5/16/2008 12:18:26 AM | Pardon me but no bush supporter should give Obama a hard time about foreign policy experience, does anybody REMEMBER the gaffs bush made?
Anyway, this is 100% bullshit, historicaly the terrorist conflicts that have ended succesfully have used some form of discourse. (IRA anyone?) the ones were people refuse to speak? Go on forever and become constant blood baths. | |
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| Did Bush commit political treason today ? Posted: 5/16/2008 12:51:00 AM |
So when you hear this quote, there's a lot in this quote to trouble you and to bother you.
Let's look at the man's word's , shall we ?
A lot of my knowledge about foreign affairs is not what I just studied in school. It's actually having the knowledge of how ordinary people in these other countries live .
The day I'm inaugurated, I think this country looks at itself differently, but the world also looks at America differently, because I've got a grandmother who lives in a little village in Africa without running water or electricity; because I grew up for part of my formative years in Southeast Asia in the largest Muslim country on Earth.
And you know what ?
He's totally right.
For far too long , your country has been run by people who know little about any country outside of it's borders. It's been run by people like Bush and Cheney, who have made some unpardonable errors because of their ignorance.
Like not even being aware of the sectarian division inside Iraq, even on the eve of the invasion of that country.
They had assumed that Iraqis would act like Parisians, and that it would be like the liberation of Paris when American troops marched into Baghdad.
That wasn't the case, and it never would have occurred had they had the most minimal understanding of the Pandora's box they were about to open.
Ignorance in foreign policy, and in understanding cultural differences, can be a fatal error - and Iraq proves that to any doubters.
Former Ambassador to Croatia Peter Galbraith is claiming President George W. Bush was unaware that there were two major sects of Islam just two months before the President ordered troops to invade Iraq, RAW STORY has learned. In his new book, The End of Iraq: How American Incompetence Created A War Without End, Galbraith, the son of the late economist John Kenneth Galbraith, claims that American leadership knew very little about the nature of Iraqi society and the problems it would face after the overthrow of Saddam Hussein.
A year after his “Axis of Evil” speech before the U.S. Congress, President Bush met with three Iraqi Americans, one of whom became postwar Iraq’s first representative to the United States. The three described what they thought would be the political situation after the fall of Saddam Hussein. During their conversation with the President, Galbraith claims, it became apparent to them that Bush was unfamiliar with the distinction between Sunnis and Shiites. Galbraith reports that the three of them spent some time explaining to Bush that there are two different sects in Islam–to which the President allegedly responded, “I thought the Iraqis were Muslims!”
Juan Cole and hilzoy are taking the report at face value, with the latter “pray[ing] that we all learn something from this.” Bilmon thinks the whole thing shows the problem with parody, pointing to an April 2003 skit he wrote.
Gary Farber, meanwhile, notes that George Packer made similar claims in has March 2003 book and that there were several mentions of this in book reviews, including one in the March 2, 2003 NYT Magazine that was quoted the next day by Atrios, at the time the most prominent of the liberal bloggers. (Which, incidentally, preceded Bilmon’s skit.)
As to the veracity of the claim, Avard has found a White House document from December 2001 using the term Sunni but otherwise no evidence that Bush knew of the distinction. Googling around a bit, I haven’t been able to find any Bush speech from 2000-2002 in which he used the words “Sunni” or “Shiite,” although I could easily be missing some given the nature of search engines. Certainly, the 2000 campaign was almost completely devoid of foreign policy discussion, much less debate on terrorism. Post 9/11, obviously, there was plenty. Most of the big speeches, though, painted broad brush pictures of good versus evil.
While I don’t doubt the central thesis that Bush is not particularly intellectually curious, it’s almost inconceivable that anyone–let alone a man whose father was CIA Director, Vice President, and President–would not at least be aware of something so basic. The Sunni-Shia split has been on the public radar screen since the Iran Hostage Crisis, which kicked off November 4, 1979. I knew that there was such a thing as a Shiite when I was 14.
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2006/08/ambassador_ bush_didnt_know_there_were_two_sects_of_islam/
"Do you have blacks, too?" -George W. Bush, to Brazilian President Fernando Cardoso, Nov. 8, 2001, as reported in an April 28, 2002, Estado Sao Pauloan column by Fernando Pedreira, a close friend of President Cardoso
"My trip to Asia begins here in Japan for an important reason. It begins here because for a century and a half now, America and Japan have formed one of the great and enduring alliances of modern times. From that alliance has come an era of peace in the Pacific." -George W. Bush, who apparently forgot about a little something called World War II, Tokyo, Feb. 18, 2002
I couldn't imagine somebody like Osama bin Laden understanding the joy of Hanukkah." -George W. Bush, at a White House Menorah lighting ceremony, Washington, D.C., Dec. 10, 2001
"There's a lot of people in the Middle East who are desirous to get into the Mitchell process. And - but first things first. The - these terrorist acts and, you know, the responses have got to end in order for us to get the framework - the groundwork - not framework, the groundwork to discuss a framework for peace, to lay the-all right." -George W. Bush, referring to former Sen. George Mitchell's report on Middle East peace, Crawford, Texas, Aug. 13, 2001
"My administration has been calling upon all the leaders in the - in the Middle East to do everything they can to stop the violence, to tell the different parties involved that peace will never happen." -George W. Bush, Crawford, Texas, Aug, 13, 2001
"It is white." -George W. Bush, asked by a child in Britain what the White House was like, July 19, 2001
"We spent a lot of time talking about Africa, as we should. Africa is a nation that suffers from incredible disease." -George W. Bush, at a news conference in Europe, June 14, 2001
You want to know why American foreign policy is in such a sorry state , right now ?
Because you have a man like this running the country, and representing the country. | |
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| Did Bush commit political treason today ? Posted: 5/16/2008 5:01:21 AM |
They had assumed that Iraqis would act like Parisians, and that it would be like the liberation of Paris when American troops marched into Baghdad.
I think this was a major flaw in the post-war thinking. That with the removal of Saddam that Iraq's Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson would stand up and claim their country. An imposition of Western values onto a different culture. Or maybe there are those Iraqi patriots that are standing up and the miscalculation of the Bush administration was in not recognizing that we're their 'Redcoats'. | |
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| Did Bush commit political treason today ? Posted: 5/16/2008 5:19:02 AM |
Did Bush commit political treason today When hasn't he commited treason he seems to do it daily.It is patently apparent .He is a Nazi sympathizer like his grandfather Prescott.When you invoke Godwins law to compare ones policy to the former Nazi regime in Israel for political gain.He has injected his lame duck lameness into the presidential race because he is seeking any sort of face time.It was an offensive statement ,made in offensive way,for the sake of being offensive.It was also Republican senator Boher who said"If only I could have talked to Hitler we could have avoided it(war)" | |
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| Did Bush commit political treason today ? Posted: 5/16/2008 6:09:34 AM | That Hitler argument is getting pretty old. First Saddam was "the new Hitler", now Ahmajamed, etc. It's right up there with "we dont want the next smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud" ...........preemptive acts of war.
The odd thing is that Saudi Arabians are really the bad guys, the 911 terrorists, funding Sunnis in Iraq, repressive kingdom rule, theocracy, etc. and they are so off the hook! | |
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| Did Bush commit political treason today ? Posted: 5/16/2008 6:31:20 AM |
and they are so off the hook!...
Because America is so ON the hook - in regards to Saudi oil.
Bush made a plea for more oil, and was ignored.
Cheney went to visit them, to do the same - and it wasn't "mission accomplished".
By country -- For crude oil, Canada was the top supplier to the United States at 1.87 million barrels a day in 2007, followed by Mexico at 1.57 million, Saudi Arabia at 1.46 million, Venezuela at 1.12 million and Nigeria at 1.04 million. Other significant suppliers include Britain, Angola, Algeria, Iraq, the United Arab Emirates, and others. Canada is also the top refined-product supplier, and by far the United States' top source of natural gas imports, at 3.6 trillion out of 4.2 trillion cubic feet in 2006. The Energy Department's energy statistics are at: http://www.eia.doe.gov/overview_hd.html
Take away that 1,46 million barrels of Saudi oil per day , and America's in a world of pain.
China is one of the most important markets for oil and Saudi oil is one of the most important sources of energy for China.
- King Abdullah Jan. 2006
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2006-01/24/content_515060.htm | |
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| Did Bush commit political treason today ? Posted: 5/16/2008 7:46:06 AM | So I wonder what would Obama have to talk about with enemies of the US ?
Say for example a group of drug dealers were living close to you who threatened to kill you. What could you possibly negotiate with them ? | |
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| Did Bush commit political treason today ? Posted: 5/16/2008 8:50:22 AM |
So I wonder what would Obama have to talk about with enemies of the US ?
Probably the same things Bush does, when his people meet with America's enemies - like Iran and North Korea ? | |
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| Did Bush commit political treason today ? Posted: 5/16/2008 8:53:02 AM | ^^ No, don't you know ???? Obama would talk with Americans' enemies about the secret Black Muslim agenda for subverting America, outlawing guns & apple pie, all that sort of thing, and planning for downright unAmerican things like universal healthcare ....... you know, Commie sh!t like that.  | |
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| Did Bush commit political treason today ? Posted: 5/16/2008 9:01:37 AM |
I've been saving up this one for awhile.
wow, charles, you are truly a brilliant and insightful person. the way you copy and paste from wikipedia is unparalleled. thanks for sharing. | |
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| Did Bush commit political treason today ? Posted: 5/16/2008 9:32:08 AM | It was a serious question. Seemingly without answer.
Voicing criticism of a position without a functional alternative is merely posturing with no substance. Kind of like buying a car on the salesman's say so. As yet I have no reason to believe Obama will accomplish anything by talking with enemies of the US. | |
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| Did Bush commit political treason today ? Posted: 5/16/2008 10:24:15 AM |
the secret Black Muslim agenda for subverting America, outlawing guns & apple pie, Outlawing apple pie is merely a slippery slope toward Sharia law. | |
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| Did Bush commit political treason today ? Posted: 5/16/2008 10:55:28 AM | Bush has no right to talk about foreign policy when his administration is responsible for taking Amercia from having the majority of the world's support to being the most hated country in the world. He should look at his failed policy and welcome a fresh approach. The lameass can't win a war and he runs around like he is a distinguished war veteran. He just knows how to start wars but can't win one.
Bush is a loser so, his enemies must be winners. | |
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| Did Bush commit political treason today ? Posted: 5/16/2008 11:04:10 AM | | I'm not sure if Bush did, but I'm fairly sure the NY times did with some of their "gotcha Bush" reporting during this conflict. If Bush did, he needs to be dealt with...if not then some other people need to learn to deal with it as well. Any takers on having him arrested...if the law is broken it would be perfectly legal to do so. If it's nothing but accusations and word twisting it would make more sense to find other entertainment or seek professional help to cope with hating Bush. | |
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| Did Bush commit political treason today ? Posted: 5/16/2008 11:25:07 AM | Saudis see no reason to raise oil production now May 16, 2008 Associated Press
"Saudi Arabia does not have customers that are making requests for oil that they are not able to satisfy," Stephen Hadley said on a day when oil prices topped $127 a barrel, continuing to set records. "What the Saudis wanted to tell us was we're doing everything we can do ... to meet this problem, but it's a complicated problem." The Saudi oil minister, Ali al-Naimi, said the kingdom decided on May 10 to raise production by 300,000 barrels, at the request of customers, and that increase was sufficient. "Supply and demand are in balance today," he told a news conference. "How much does Saudi Arabia need to do to satisfy people who are questioning our oil practices and policies?" Hadley also said the Saudis briefed Bush again on their plan to increase their production capacity over time. They also argued that even an increase would be unlikely to bring down the soaring prices, driven more by uncertainty in the market, lack of refining capacity for the type of oil readily available and other complicated dynamics, he said. Economists say prices are being driven up by increased demand, not slowed production. Energy-guzzlers China and India are stretching supplies. As a result, Hadley suggested the White House was satisfied with — or at least accepted — the Saudi response. He added, however, the Bush administration will see if the explanation "conforms to what our experts say." Saudi Foreign Minister Saud al-Faisal said the discussion with Bush about oil was friendly. "He didn't punch any tables or shout at anybody," the minister said. "I think he was satisfied." ---------
Because America is so ON the hook - in regards to Saudi oil....Nope, Canada is on the hook. It's oil cannot be supplied to the world because it's in Alberta. Only the United States has access to that sulfur oil. It's piped and trucked to the a couple of northern border states. It cannot be piped and trucked to neither coast and only the United States has refineries for that sulfur oil. Without the United States buying that poor oil, Canada is like a man in the desert with a canteen full of gold instead of water. Besides, 12% of sweet crude imported oil comes from Saudi Arabia, 13% sulfur oil from Alberta, 10% sweet oil from Mexico.
Bush made a plea for more oil, and was ignored....Bush has this habit of appeasing the liberals. It's the liberals that want more output from Saudi Arabia while halting output here. Liberals have stopped oil production and nuclear plants here. Now they expect and demand Saudi Arabia to produce more oil. Saudis are already at their capacity.
Cheney went to visit them, to do the same - and it wasn't "mission accomplished"....Same ploy to show up the Democratic liberals in this election. Cheney's visit was more about Iran, oil was a diversion that helps bring Democrats to light.
By country -- For crude oil, Canada was the top supplier to the United States at 1.87 million barrels a day in 2007, followed by Mexico at 1.57 million, Saudi Arabia at 1.46 million, Venezuela at 1.12 million and Nigeria at 1.04 million. Other significant suppliers include Britain, Angola, Algeria, Iraq, the United Arab Emirates, and others. Canada is also the top refined-product supplier, and by far the United States' top source of natural gas imports, at 3.6 trillion out of 4.2 trillion cubic feet in 2006. The Energy Department's energy statistics are at.............You forget to mention that the United States exports sweet crude to Canada and Europe despite the United States importing 45% of it's oil use. If the United States stops exporting oil to Europe alone, it would reduce 25% of imported oil here. Not even Russia's increased export oil to Europe reduced it's imports from the United States. Although it has made Russia richer. Bubble car driving Europeans cannot reduce their oil consumption. Neither can Canada.
Take away that 1,46 million barrels of Saudi oil per day , and America's in a world of pain..... If the United States stops buying oil from Alberta, Canada sinks as it supposed to and screaming pain will heard around the world. Fact is Canada's is in par economically due to the United States. Without the United States trade, Canada would be and suppose to be in par with Mexico................China is one of the most important markets for oil and Saudi oil is one of the most important sources of energy for China...Yet the leftists in Europe and Canada ignore both China and India's contribution to global warming. They ignore their own contribution to pollution and global warming yet give America the blame for all of it. Liberals, they love showing their ignorance. But they are dangerous to the United States, more so than Osama and Obama. | |
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| Did Bush commit political treason today ? Posted: 5/16/2008 11:53:06 AM | The Philly Daily News is a rag. You buy that paper if you want to read something while sitting on the toilet. It's not newsworthy.
Hmm, let's see, here's the newsflash, GWB is an idiot. Tell me something I don't know.  | |
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| Did Bush commit political treason today ? Posted: 5/16/2008 12:33:02 PM | | I don't think it matters what the source is, the fact remains that GWB threw America as a whole under the bus saying what he said, where he said it, and to whom he said it. It's one thing to have differences in the presidential race, it's another thing to try and get the whole world on 'your side'. | |
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| Did Bush commit political treason today ? Posted: 5/16/2008 1:10:24 PM | By focusing more attention in Iraq and not in Pakistan appeases bin Laden. At least Boher was talking about a hypothetical situation when he made that statement. Appeasing bin Laden is a realtiy that all of us Americans have to be accustomed to thanks to the way Bush is conducting this war on terrorism. The guy is the worst war president we've ever had.
Win one for the Gipper, Dubya. | |
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| Did Bush commit political treason today ? Posted: 5/16/2008 2:00:00 PM |
.Nope, Canada is on the hook. It's oil cannot be supplied to the world because it's in Alberta.
I'd do some more research, then tell China that.
The Athabasca Oil Sands are now featured prominently in international trade talks, with energy rivals China and the United States negotiating with Canada for a bigger share of the oil sands' rapidly increasing output. Output at the oil sands is expected to quadruple between 2005 and 2015, reaching 4 million bbl/day, increasing their political and economic importance. Although most of the oil sands production is currently exported to the United States, that could change.
An agreement has been signed between PetroChina and Enbridge to build a 400-million-barrel-per-day (64,000,000 m³/d) pipeline from Edmonton, Alberta to the west-coast port of Kitimat, British Columbia to export synthetic crude oil from the oil sands to China and elsewhere in the Pacific, plus a 150-million-barrel-per-day (24,000,000 m³/d) pipeline running the other way to import condensate to dilute the bitumen so it will flow. Sinopec, China's largest refining and chemical company, and China National Petroleum Corporation have bought or are planning to buy shares in major oil sands development.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athabasca_Oil_Sands
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| Did Bush commit political treason today ? Posted: 5/16/2008 2:11:04 PM | notice that bush never mentioned anyone by name. everyone just assumes. god politicians are idiots. now obama is whining about it. if he whines about that, what is he going to do when they start calling him by name? his heads gonna explode! | |
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| Did Bush commit political treason today ? Posted: 5/16/2008 2:14:39 PM | | It does not matter who he was talking about, we all know what the eff he meant. And he had no business saying it no matter what. Nobody's whining about it, actually, Obama is actually having a good time with it. #1 it kind of assumes he's the presumptive nominee, #2 it brings his foreign issues to the forefront, since we can't seem to get past flipping Wright and the damn lapel pin, and #3 GWB looks like an idiot once again, and we know that McCain is the Bush doppelganger. | |
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