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 Funkadelick101

Joined: 1/21/2008
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Tell me, what is your opinion on Globalization ?
Posted: 5/25/2008 12:52:11 AM
"NAFTA is one of the bigger steps in the globalization process."



Globalization is dead.
 designingwoman

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Posted: 5/25/2008 8:23:16 AM
When the idea of outsourcing first came up it should have been criminalized and considered an act of treason
 OneBlend

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Posted: 5/25/2008 9:15:18 AM

I think it's great for the 10 percent elitist freaks who run the world, bullshit tyranny for the rest of us !

How true. Why don't call it the International Corporate Dictatorship since it has little to do with what you or I or any commoners think and everything to do with the way the elites power will indisputably shape the world policies for you.



The Corporate Control Of Society and Human Life
By Stephen Lendman

The Power of Transnational Corporations and the Harm They Cause

As corporations have grown in size they've gained in power and influence. And so has the harm they cause - to communities, nations, the great majority of the public and the planet. Today corporate giants decide who governs and how, who serves on our courts, what laws are enacted and even whether and when wars are fought, against whom and for what purpose or gain. It's for their gain, who else's, certainly not ours. Once we start one, they can even make profit projections from it like on any other business venture. For them, that's all it is - another way to make a buck, lots of them.

The central thesis of this essay is that giant transnational corporations today have become so dominant they now control our lives and the world, and they exploit both fully and ruthlessly. While they claim to be serving us and bringing us the fruits of the so-called "free market," in fact, they just use us for their gain. They've deceived us and highjacked the government to serve them as subservient proxies in their unending pursuit to dominate the world's markets, resources, cheap labor abroad and our own right here. And they've done it much like what happens in the marketplace when a predator company attempts to take control of another one that prefers to remain independent. They launch a hostile takeover, going around or over the heads of the target's management, their employees and the communities they operate in. They go right to the target's shareholders and promise them a better deal, meaning a premium price on the stock they hold.

They do this, as in a friendly merger, for a variety of financial and strategic reasons, but essentially it's to achieve any possible immediate gain as well as over the longer term greater market dominance that will build future profits. But what happens in the wake of a takeover. Assets get stripped, spun-off and/or sold-off. Plants are closed. Jobs are lost. And all this is done for the primary bottom line goal - "the bottom line," higher profits, whatever the cost to people, communities or society.

Think of it this way. Large corporations today everywhere, but especially the largest ones in the Global North, are a destructive force, hostile to people, societies and the environment. They're nothing less than legal private tyrannies operating freely with virtually no restraint. Everything for them, animal, vegetable or mineral, is viewed as a production input to be commodified and consumed for profit and then discarded when no longer of use. And to achieve maximum profits, costs must be rigidly controlled. That means the lowest prices paid for goods and services, the lowest wages paid to workers (below privileged higher management who reward themselves richly), as little as possible spent on essential benefits like health care and pensions, and increasingly little or no concern about the long-term cost of exploiting, plundering or even destroying the natural environment and the future ability of the planet to sustain life. These issues, however recognized and grave, are for someone else to deal with later.

For now all that matters is today, the next quarter's earnings and keeping the stockholders and Wall Street happy. They only understand numbers on financial statements and are blind, unconcerned and even hostile to human and societal welfare or a safe environment that will protect and sustain all life forms. They call it "free market capitalism." It's really the law of the jungle. They're the predators, we're the prey, and every day they eat us alive.

Does all this make sense? And do corporate chieftains who live in a community, love their wives and children, contribute to charities, attend church and believe in its teachings really go to work every day and think - "who and what can I exploit today?" They sure do because they have no other choice. No more so than breathing in and breathing out.

Reasons for This Unabated Downward Trajectory

The reasons for this decline were as follows:
The shift away from manufacturing to services.
The growth of so-called "globalization" sending many jobs abroad including high-paying ones.
The decline of unions to levels last seen before the mass unionization struggles of the 1930s because of government and corporate antipathy toward them and corporations using the threat to close plants and move jobs offshore to force workers to take pay cuts and accept lower benefits. And then they still move jobs abroad.
Deregulation of key industries including transportation, communications and finance, which opened these industries to low cost competition that put pressure on unions and forced workers to accept lower pay and benefits to keep their jobs.
The growth of high technology allowing machines (mainly computers) to do the work of people, thus reducing the need for them.
The effects of racism and sexism (in a society with deep-rooted racism, sexism and classism) as seen in the data showing 30% of black workers and 40% of Latino workers earning poverty wages with women in both categories most affected. And the average black family owns only 14% as much as the average white family.
The unabated downward trajectory of workers' real income already discussed. The only family income gains have come from two income households, in many cases because wives were forced to enter the workforce out of necessity.

Statistics Documenting the Decline

Hot off the press from the latest US Federal Reserve triennial survey (and most comprehensive one of all) of household wealth published in late February, 2006:

--Median American family income grew a paltry 1.5% after inflation between 2001 and 2004, but there was a widening gap between upper and lower income households.

--While the richest 10% rose an inflation adjusted 6.5%, the bottom 25% fell 1.5%.

--Stephen Brobeck, Executive Director of the Consumer Federation of America, explained - "While the typical American household basically ran in place, less affluent households actually lost ground."

Even hotter off the press, the US Department of Labor and Congressional Budget Office reported in late March that in the last 5 years ending year-end 2005, inflation adjusted GDP per person rose 8.4% but the average weekly wage fell 0.3%. Following a long-term trend since the 1970s, those in the upper income percentiles gained the most while those in the lower half of them lost the most. And the income gap between rich and poor continued to widen.

--The racial disparity was especially dramatic. The median white family's net worth in 2004 was $140,700 compared with $24,800 for the typical nonwhite family.

According to the 2005 Federal Poverty Guidelines, 12.7%, or 37 million people, lived in poverty in 2004. However, because of an acknowledged flawed model to measure poverty, the true number is far higher - at least many millions more and increasing even in times of prosperity.

In December, 2004 the New York Times reported the US ranked 49th in world literacy, and the US Department of Labor estimates over 20% of the population is functionally illiterate (compared to about 1% in Venezuela and Cuba, two of the countries we demonize the most). It's also true, as discussed above briefly, that the quality of public education has been in decline in urban schools for many years. In addition (also mentioned), the extent of racial segregation is now as great as in the 1960s, despite supposed but unrealized gains from the civil rights legislation of that time. Further, state and local education budgets aren't keeping up with a growing need or are being cut. It's also no better for those needing college aid as federal Pell grants have been frozen or cut for three straight years, and it was just reported in late March by public college finance officials that state higher education funding has fallen sharply from $7,121 per student in 2001 to $5,833 in 2005. It means a growing number of lower income students are now deprived of a chance for higher education - and it's getting steadily worse.

The World Health Organization ranked the US 37th in the world in "overall health performance" and 54th in the fairness of health care. And in 2004 about 46 million people had no health insurance and millions more were underinsured. These appalling numbers are in spite of the fact that the US spends far more on health care per capita than any other country. And all developed countries in the world, except the US and South Africa, provide free health care for all its citizens paid for through taxes.

The European Dream reported US childhood poverty ranked 22nd or second to last among developed nations.

The US ranked last among the world's 20 most developed nations in its worker compensation growth rate in the 1980s with conditions only slightly better in the 1990s.

The New York Times reported 12 million American families, over 10% of all households, struggle to feed themselves.

The NYT also reported the US ranks 41st in world infant mortality.

All this and many more depressing statistics are happening in the richest country in the world with a 2005 Gross Domestic Product of $12.5 trillion.

The dramatic effects of social inequality in the US are seen in the Economic Policy Institute's 2004 report on the State of Working America." It shows the top 1% controls more than one-third of the nation's wealth while the bottom 80% have 16%. Even worse, the top 20% holds 84% of all wealth while the poorest 20% are in debt and owe more than they own.
How World Trade Agreements Destroy Good Jobs and the American Dream

World trade between nations is nothing new, and the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT) has been around since it was formed in Havana, Cuba in 1948. But with the signing of NAFTA that went into effect on January 1, 1994, the notion of so-called globalization emerged big time. NAFTA brought Mexico into the 1989 Canada-US Free Trade Agreement as part of a radical experiment to merge three disparate economies into a binding one-size-fits-all set of rules all three had to abide by regardless of the effect on their people. To sell it to each country's legislators and people, NAFTA's backers made lofty pie-in-the-sky predictions of new jobs that "free trade" would create. They never were nor was this a plan to do it. It was a scam to outsource jobs and thus eliminate many others, enrich the transnationals and make working people pick up the tab and take the pain.

NAFTA was just the beginning. It was planned as a stalking horse and template for the World Trade Organization (WTO), that replaced the GATT one year after NAFTA went into effect. The WTO along with an alphabet soup of trade agreements (passed and wished for) like GATS (covering all kinds of services), TRIPS (for intellectual property), MAI (on investments and most all-encompassisng and dangerous one of all if it ever passes even in separate pieces) and all the regional agreements like CAFTA and FTAA are intended to establish a supranational economic "constitution." It's to be based on the rules of trade the Global North nations want to craft that would override the sovereignty of all WTO member nations. In other words, the plan was and still is for the US primarily, along with the EU, Japan and other dominant Global North countries to establish a binding set of trade rules (a global constitution) they would write for their benefit for an integrated world economy and then force all other nations to abide by them. NAFTA, and what was to follow, were and are not intended to create jobs and raise living standards in the participating countries, despite all the hype saying they would and will. These agreements are solely plans to benefit big corporations, legally allowing them the right to dominate world markets, override national sovereignty to do it, and exploit people everywhere for their gain. Bottom line - these "agreements" mean big corporations win and people everywhere lose.

So far the jury is very much out on whether the grand plan will succeed as key countries in the Global South have caught on to the scam and aren't buying it - Brazil, India, Venezuela, Argentina, Bolivia and others. And China is big enough to be a club member, agree to the rules, and then bend them at times to protect its own interests.

But if NAFTA was a template to disguise a WTO attempted world "hostile takeover," look at all the carnage it's created so far. Instead of creating jobs in all three countries, it destroyed hundreds of thousands of them. In the US alone it's responsible for the loss each year of many thousands of high paying, good benefit manufacturing jobs now exported to low wage countries like Mexico, China, India and many others. And most of the workers losing them only are able to find lower paying ones with fewer or no benefits if they can find any job at all. This is an ongoing problem in good as well as poor economic times and gets worse every year. It's also led many older workers, who wish to work but can't find jobs, to drop out of the work force or take lower paying part-time ones when they can find full-time ones.

The result has been a huge shift upward in income, wealth and power in the US (and in Canada, Mexico and all other WTO member countries) benefitting the business elites and corrupted politicians. And it's cost working people billions of dollars, many thousands of good jobs and a permanent drop in the average American worker's standard of living. It's also created an enormous migration problem all over the world comprised of desperate people looking for work because there's none at home. I wrote at length about this in the US in my recent article called The War on Immigrants. The problem gets worse every year including in the US. And here a low unemployment rate hides the fact that many workers have dropped out of the work force or must take whatever part-time jobs they can find because they can't get full-time ones as mentioned above.

I'm now working on a new article in which I discuss the view of some US economists who explain that if the unemployment rate today was calculated the same way it was during The Great Depression when it rose to a peak of 25% of the working population, the true current figure would be about 12% instead of the reported 4.7%. The current calculation method includes part-time workers who work as little as one hour during the reporting period. It also excludes discouraged workers who wish to work but who've stopped looking because they can't find jobs.

One might logically wonder why big US corporations run by smart people wouldn't be trying to ameliorate this problem to build rather than weaken the purchasing power of people in their home country - the ones they need to buy their products and services. It's not just for their obvious need to control or reduce costs to enhance profits. It's because these companies are only nominally US ones. They may be headquartered here, but they could as easily be home based anywhere. The US may be their biggest market and most important source of revenue and profit, but their operations and markets span the globe. If they desired, they could pick up and leave and set up shop in Timbuktu or Kathmandu. That's why they're called "transnationals."

Once Our Government Protected Working People

At one time US governments had a social contract with its citizens, imperfect as it was. Most governments in Western Europe still do, although they're being weakened. But since the 1980s and especially after the election of George W. Bush, that contract here is being dissmantled, program by program, year after year with the ultimate goal of making every one self-sufficient with little or no safety net for protection. The most vulnerable poor are hurt most and their numbers grow each year, but the middle class is suffering too as those in it are declining as a percent of the total population. And the very definition of a middle class is changing as the wealth gap keeps widening between top and bottom along with the hollowing out of the middle.

Bush and his cabal of acolytes are so intent on destroying the US social contract with its citizens that their motto might as well be: you can have anything you want - as long as you can afford to pay for it. If not, you're on your own.

The Balance Sheet Documenting Corporate Gains

Worker loss has been corporations' gain - big time. In 2004 the world's largest 500 corporations posted their highest ever revenues and profits - an astonishing $14.9 trillion in revenue and $731.2 billion in profits. And top corporate officials, mainly in the US, are raking it in, rewarding themselves with obscene amounts of salaries, bonuses in the multi-millions and lucrative stock options worth even more for many of them. That level of largesse is only possible at the expense of working people here and everywhere. Oliver Stone may have been thinking of them when he made his 1980s film, Wall Street. In it was the memorable line spoken by the character portraying the manipulative investor/deal-maker when he explained that "greed is good."

Except for two brief and mild recessions, corporations in the US have prospered since the 1980s in a very business-friendly environment under both Democrats and Republicans. The result has been rising profits to record levels, enhanced even more by generous corporate tax cuts (and personal ones as well mostly for the rich), especially after the election of George Bush. Under this president, one of their own in the White House, US corporations have never had it better. It's been so good that 82 of the largest 275 companies paid no federal income tax in at least one year from 2001-2003 or got a refund; 28 of them got tax rebates in all 3 of those years even though their combined profits totaled $44.9 billion; 46 of them, earning $42.6 billion in profits, paid no tax in 2003 and got $4.9 billion back in tax rebates. And the average CEO pay for these 46 companies in 2004 was $12.6 million.

Along with big tax cuts and generous rebates, big corporations are on the government dole big time in the form of subsidies, otherwise known as "corporate welfare." It's also known as socialism for the rich (and capitalism for the rest of us). In 1997 the Fortune 500 companies got $75 billion in "public aid" even though they earned record profits of $325 billion. They got it in many forms - grants, contracts, loans and loan guarantees and lots more. Today there are about 125 business subsidy programs in the federal budget benefitting all major areas of business.

Some examples of this government largesse include:

Selling the rights to billions of dollars of oil, gas, coal and other mineral reserves at a small fraction of their market value.

The giveaway of the entire broadcast spectrum to the corporate media, valued at $37 billion in 1989 dollars.

Charging mostly corporate ranchers (including big oil and insurance companies) dirt cheap grazing rates on over 20 million acres of public land.

Spending many billions of dollars on R & D and handing over the results to corporations free of charge. "Big Pharma" is notorious for letting government do their expensive research and then cashing in on the results by soaking us with sky-high prices and rigging the game with through WTO rules that get them exclusive patent rights for 20 years or longer when they're able to extend them through the courts.

Giving the nuclear industry over $100 billion in handouts since its inception and guaranteeing government protection to pick up the cost in case of any serious accidents that otherwise might cost the company affected billions and possibly bankrupt it.

Giving corporate agribusiness producers many billions in annual subsidies.

You and I, the individual taxpayers, pay the bill for this generosity. But we actually pay these corporations twice - first through our taxes and then for the cost of their products and services. And they don't even thank us.

More to the story:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12842.htm
 Quirky_n_Cute

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Posted: 6/19/2008 3:29:34 PM
I don't think globalization is dead.

There was a program on my local PBS station today, part of a series on American History 1877 to the present, which made a thought provoking comment related to this subject,

"...due to industrialization many companies went national, leading to the need for stronger federal oversight... "

Seems logical to consider that with the growth of multi-national corporations an international body would develop in response - or possibly be formed by them in order to protect their interests world wide.

I think this is a danger to local economies and local community control everywhere, but I'm not sure people have the determination to stop it. There is a perceived benefit of cheap goods (the perceived benefits enhanced by wage stagnation, until YOUR job goes away), and most people can no longer imagine living without manufactured goods. We are giving up quality communities and local control to play in this bigger pond. Buy local, walk to work... this would only have impact if everyone did it, which sadly is unlikely.
 Fishing4her

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Posted: 6/19/2008 4:26:25 PM
My paradigm on globalism comes from being a student of the Bible.

King Solomon writes in Ecclesiastes:

"That which has been is that which will be, And that which has been done is that which will be done. So there is nothing new under the sun. Is there anything of which one might say, "See this, it is new"? Already it has existed for ages Which were before us. There is no remembrance of earlier things; And also of the later things which will occur, There will be for them no remembrance Among those who will come later." (Ecclesiastes 1:9~11 NASB)

Man's DNA is basically stays the same and his programming doesn't change with the passing of millennia. It repeats the same patterns given certain conditions. Globalism is nothing more than a modern day Tower of Babel. It will never work, and it won't work because it's going against the Primal Forces of the universe. There are universal laws that govern the way the stars, planets, and other heavenly bodies function within reality. In the same way there are universal laws that govern the way the human race conducts itself politically, socially, economically, etc. These laws make up 3/4 of the most popular, well known volume in human history. Yet so few people even know these laws are there, or if they do know, give them any more than a passing thought. These perfect laws (Psalm 19:7~11) for conducting the affairs of the human race have been discarded, forgotten, and replaced with imperfect man-made " laws" that fuel corruption, greed, hate, and suffering via Democracy, Communism, or whatever other vehicle man has concocted over the millennia to push his own selfish, greedy will on the planet and Gods' creation.

No, the modern Tower of Babel we call globalism will never work. The only question is how much damage will it have to do before people start to wake up.
 ottawa-gal

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Posted: 6/19/2008 4:29:52 PM
NOt very good. All it means is open borders, lowering of wages and standards of living in the west and poorer poor countries, more greed at the top, reduced womens rights, more slaves and finally there will only be the superrich and the poor class with NO middle class if globalizaiton continues say in 20 years......
 Enigma252

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Posted: 6/19/2008 8:24:55 PM
There's a lot to being self-sufficient --LOCALLY. In 1982 as I watched a bunch of farms 70 mile inland for Boston fall to the housing boom I that that it was a sick thing.

Part of my job has been outsourced and the work sometimes comes back really screwed up and wrong. TA-DA!

That being said I've use acupuncture, herbs, & Chinese pharmacuticals for years. Very good and cheap medicine. Could like without it.

Mexico is suffering with NAFTA and China is taking a lot of their jobs. That's one reason that they are coming over the US border like a river. No work there either!
 James_in_SD

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Posted: 6/19/2008 8:50:58 PM
Globalization affects the entire world.
 rtb111

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Posted: 6/20/2008 1:53:58 PM
Globalization can mean different things to different people. To me it means freedom - the freeing of people is what is important to focus on. I think all should be allowed to move where they want, & trade with whom they wish. Note this is not to say I think we should be greedy - just that all should be free to persue their enlightened self interest.

Freedom expands the wealth of society - note I said society not particular individuals or states. Yes some people are better off if the rest of us are forced to overpay for their goods & services - but society as a whole suffers. Better to allow freedom whilst implementing a social safety net to help & compensate those in need for whatever reason - that's the enlightened part.
 Charles_45

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Posted: 6/20/2008 2:14:21 PM
Interesting arguments, folks.

What I am waiting to see over the next few years is how the soaring cost of food and fuel (which of course are interrelated) will affect the movement toward the deepening of globalization.

If you start seriously mucking about with the food supply, the "Haves" better watch out. That may finally be enough to blow the lid off the whole rotten structure.

Add to that the effects of global warming and topsoil erosion on the food supply....

I remember reading somewhere that with the soaring price of oil, there will be a sharp increase in shipping costs; meaning Wal-Mart et. al. (the sort of companies that are the only real winners in the globalization movement) will be threatened with extinction. I hope that this is true.

I suppose that it is hoping beyond hope that our domestic industries might have a chance to recover. I personally like the idea of being able to buy Canadian made clothes, stereos or household appliances.
 h0ldfast

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Posted: 6/20/2008 2:22:05 PM
The high cost of shipping goods will likely result in more local production. Less international competition will result in higher prices, poorer selection and lower quality, at least for some products. With any luck, increased barriers of geography will alleviate protectionist fears, and regulatory protectionism will be reduced. International trade, with all its benefits, can still continue to move forward.
 Honcho

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Posted: 6/20/2008 2:49:08 PM
Globelization? I can find that by shopping at Walmart!
 Quirky_n_Cute

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Posted: 6/21/2008 11:58:59 AM
It was the "World Trade Organization" and the Pentagon that the planes flew into. Looks like "Military Industrial Complex" was under attack. Now we have a "War on Terror" which is jibberish, but those in power also talk about "Islamo Facists" or "Radical Muslims".

So we have a religious war on aggressive international politico-capitalism. Who does this benefit? From one perspective, it could be corporate elitists who don't like Arabs. Who would that be?

I think this is a very old war, that has just entered a new phase. How one identifies the players is just a product of what information they have been exposed to.
 gizmosellschickens

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Posted: 6/21/2008 3:27:33 PM
Globalization hurts the working classes in terms of job skills, and economies of all countries should have all types of work avaliable to all its citizens.
The problem is Untied States is one economy with tw0 countries histroically the South and opposed any tarriffs on imports because they perferred cheaper food, and furniture from Europe, and the North supported tarriffs to speed up industrailization, and to protect blue collar jobs.
The people blame Mexico and Canada trade for problems its acutally China, Korea that use tarriffs to keep out finished North American goods.

Just to me trade is good, but also outsouring jobs to China and India and deskilling the blue collar grunts is wrong from the moral perceptive. Its a trade-off rather pay more for furninture and certain items than save money from imports in certian areas. Nationalism is always strong in the Untied States, but the problem is not nationalism its elitism of politicans blind to the working everyday folk.

Glad Budwieser grunts are fighting back about the takeover all pay more for my beer to keep the teamsters happy delivering it. Selling the lowest bidder things that make us American, German, English, Chinese is insulting, and goverments should prohibit investment in certian sector where thier is culutral symbolism involved.

Globalization backlash is not surprise people will defend thier way of life with ferocity and wall street needs to realize outsoucring is short term not always a solution to labor cost problems. Robotics, computer, captial investment in machines is what drives up profits, and not always selling to the lowest bidder in Asia.
 Elmomemo

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Posted: 4/2/2009 8:23:37 PM

The richer countries (like us) become poorer, while the poorer countries (like China) become richer.


Lol, what the hell, since when was china a poor country?

And imo, globalisation = BAD. VERY BAD.
 WantaSmart1

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Posted: 4/2/2009 10:15:02 PM
Globalization - LOL!!!! The pitch line: "We'll have a truly global marketplace and demand for our products will go from our country's population to that of the whole world. Our profits will triple/quadruple overnight!"

So the public fell for it. Unfortunately, production for the products MOST in demand went offshore, as did the profits for it. The payoff? The current economy. If you don't think globalization isn't directly tied into the current situation, think again. Globalization permeates the current problems.

Migration of production. Offshoring of jobs. Dilution of pay. "Foreignization" of investments. Ex-migration of profits and equities. Global demand for U.S. mortgage-backed securities creating overly-risky investment vehicles. All products of the revered Globalization. And it continues to move that way with the current administration.

Among the most sickening displays so far are the G-20 conferences currently underway. Especially the announcement of $1.1 trillion USD in ""free money" to the IMF. Of that massive amount, "mighty" China with 25% of the world's population, reportedly will contribute a paltry $40 billion, or 3.6% of the amount.

Guess who will end giving away the lion's share, as usual? That is information CONSPICUOUSLY missing from news reports so far today. It won't be Great Britain. It won't be Japan. Now the U.S. is officially bailing out countries with money we don't even have! That's a heck of an April Fool's joke on the whole country.

Maybe North Korea firing off an ICBM or two wouldn't be such a bad thing after all. Better than the rest of the world waiting for Americans to magically pull more "free money" for them out of the arse.

That's my opinion on Globalization and it hasn't changed in 23 years.
 Settleforthis

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Posted: 4/3/2009 6:09:22 AM
"The richer countries (like us) become poorer, while the poorer countries (like China) become richer."

-You are assuming that trade is a zero-sum game.....it isn't. There can and often are win-win situations. Many people are too concerned with our comparative status with other countries. It causes you to ignore the fact that while 'they' are getting richer 'we' are also getting richer, just at a slower pace. This is our modern day example of 'keeping up with the joneses', errr keeping ahead of the joneses. Obviously, much of this 'we' stuff is subjective since the rich from our country have little barring them from just up and moving out of our country and taking their wealth with them.......so I'm not quite sure that it's appropriate to call even most of the money aquired through trade 'ours'. Please keep in mind that this mobility of wealth is not something that we can stop (barring highway robbery/government takeover of all assets) whether globalization continues to expand or not.

Of course there are point-source 'losses' that we can point to, such as a plant or factory closing. It's unfortunate that many of our unskilled or low-skilled workers will have to make tough decision about relocation, re-education, or take lifestyle / pay cuts. The first two on that list can be helped or possibly cured by the government......the third is often the default option when someone refuses or is ignorant to their need to address the first two.

Also, our national passion (aka consumerism) needs a complete overhaul. 'We' are no longer the only consumers that matter. 'We' don't need to buy anything and everything to keep our economy going. Encouraging reckless consumerism is not helpful either, unless of course we are encouraging other countries to recklessly consume. People need to consider if they actually need to replace their 2 year-old television with the $3000, 200 inch, plasma.....or that 4000 sq ft house in the middle of nowhere that forces them to drive over an hour to get to their job, the store, starbucks, etc. If we want to drive our economy and not allow others to catch up in the economic race as quickly, we need to focus on making things that we can make more efficiently/better than others (and some help from the government in the necessary re-education would be nice, since most people don't have the foresight to do it on their own).....AND not just buy everything that we see a commercial for.
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Tell me, what is your opinion on Globalization ?
Posted: 4/3/2009 7:30:04 AM
We're getting richer?

Is this why it now takes two or more incomes to sustain a fairly conservative middle-income family lifestyle today? Most of the people that I know aren't blowing every available penny on As-Seen-On-TV junk. I think there is a global misconception (including in this country) that all Americans are like that. Most of the people that I know are so far behind their parents and grandparents economically at this point in their lives, with no hope of every gaining parity with previous generations.

That's with reduced health care, reduced employment benefits, reduced or no pension, and a couple of paychecks away from homelessness.

When this is pointed out, the first thing I usually read is how "other people in the world" are so much worse off, as if to make us feel more at ease. The truth is that we suck economically and have for some time now. The bad economy just brings the fact home more dramatically. Many families are a mere 1-3 months away from homelessness.

It's true that many people have been blowing everything they make, but it's not true for everyone. It seems it's just the most irresponsible (like the irresponsible corporations) who keep getting bailed out without learning a thing. The rest just fall further behind trying to pick up their slack.

The rate of savings today is essentially nonexistent. A far, far cry from 1-2-3 generations ago. We've gotten so "rich", that every child born into the country today already owes $40,000 as their share of the collective debt.
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