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Posted: 5/28/2008 12:20:52 AM | Hmmmm...well, I think it bothers me more, when I use them incorrectly. I'm a very educated, fluent writer with better than average writing conventions, and I still make those common errors. My spelling is horrible as well. (One of those things that continually bothers me.)
I'll check my written work and won't notice the mistakes; their for there, you're for your....etc. The frequency of use and auditory sameness makes them easy to pass by without discriminating proper usage. Easy to do!
Does it bother me when I see this in other peoples' writing? Not really. The texting abbreviated language used these days, bothers me a lot more! | |
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| the miss use of words like your and you're, or there, their and they're.
Posted: 5/29/2008 6:14:50 PM | ^^^^^ Yes, the zero tolerance approach to punctuation!!
How about:
"But now I must go and get on, my lover."
"But now I must go and get on my lover." 
And then there's the punctuation trivia notes . . . I mean, how many people know that the exclamation point was once (and still is, in some places) known as a "dog's c**k" ??
HawaiiUncle: tempting for sure, but I know my limits . . . | |
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| the miss use of words like your and you're, or there, their and they're.
Posted: 6/2/2008 11:03:18 AM |
At the start of the above sentence, you put a lower case letter instead of a capital.
Just so you know "then why is it that over half the people on here seem like they have a 5 year old typing for them?" is not a complete sentence, it's a statement and a sentence fragment so it does not need a capital letter.
I will admit that the second one is missing a capital letter and that was a typo, I hit Ctrl instead of shift, so shoot me. | |
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Posted: 6/21/2008 4:48:24 PM | Just so you know "then why is it that over half the people on here seem like they have a 5 year old typing for them?" is not a complete sentence, it's a statement and a sentence fragment so it does not need a capital letter.
Ok, now you're just making stuff up. This, from the OP - "then why is it that over half the people on here seem like they have a 5 year old typing for them?" - is NOT, as you claim, a sentence fragment. To be a true sentence fragment, your sentence would have to lack a subject, a verb or both a subject and predicate. They're in there.
It's also not, as you've claimed, a statement. If you had said "Over half the people on here seem like they have a 5 year old typing for them" - THAT would have been a statement. Statistically questionable, to be sure... but a statement nonetheless. Asking "Then WHY is it that... " clearly makes it a question. The punctuation (i.e. the question mark) at the end of your query seals the deal.
And even if this group of words was a genuine sentence fragment, it would still have to be punctuated as if it were a complete sentence... including the appropriate use of capitalization. The grammar rule that applies is contained in the very definition of sentence fragment: A sentence fragment is group of words that begins with a capital letter and ends with a period, exclamation point, or a question mark, but does not express a complete thought.
So there we have it: Even the most fragmented of sentence fragments require appropriate capitalization. In this case, a capital T on the word "then" that leads off your question is undoubtedly required, however much you protest to the contrary.
that was a typo, I hit Ctrl instead of shift, so shoot me.
Ok, I'm not really a grammar sniper in real life nor in the forums. I'm more likely to challenge people for propagating misinformation as fact than for their typing or communication skills. So relax... a random typo is really quite inconsequential in the grand scheme of things, I think.... there's really no need to haul out the firing squad.
You might, however, want to keep an eye out for that gun-happy panda from post #53. | |
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| the miss use of words like your and you're, or there, their and they're.
Posted: 6/22/2008 3:27:18 PM | I pride myself on a pretty decent vocabulary and excellent spelling... my grammar is more questionable as I type kinda how I speak. I spend enough time one forums and such that I can overlook a lot of bad typing. Language is transcient and dynamic... I guess we should consider ourselves blessed to be actually witnessing a big transition firsthand.
What interests me is how my own English fails... if I'm in hurry or tired or passionate about something I find I'll look over my post later and find a plethora of missed or misplaced words... I'll start missing little words like "the", "is" or "it" and sometimes mistype a word for another I use more often, like typing "work" instead of "word". It surprises me sometimes so I'm a little hesitant to judge for fear of being the pot calling the kettle black.
Re: Kindergarden/Kindergarten.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kindergarten
Either is correct. It's a German word initially.
I share SlyKnight's dislike of misused effect/affects but my peeve also includes ensure/ insure.
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| the miss use of words like your and you're, or there, their and they're.
Posted: 6/22/2008 6:07:52 PM | I try to make an effort to sort my spelling out, but if someone's misspelling something, I couldn't care less unless I the context isn't clear. I mean, that's the way it is with most homonyms in vocal speech anyway.
What bothers me the most is people getting up in arms over this. | |
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Posted: 6/23/2008 4:09:21 PM | | Occasional misspellings on the forums don't matter, and I just overlook those. But if I am editing something that will go out in print, you bet I don't like seeing spelling or grammatical errors! But in this day and age of computers, and spell checking, editing is much easier. I do editing for a writer, and he is happy to have the assistance to make sure his work is done right. Computer forums are one thing, but printed materials are something else! (Unprintable!!!) | |
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| the miss use of words like your and you're, or there, their and they're.
Posted: 6/26/2008 9:54:30 PM | Some people enjoy keeping to the rules of a convention. It's similar to having an orderly house compared to having a messy house and not worrying about it.
Do it for your kid's sake. You don't want them to be scapegoats to bullies because their mother has a dirty living room and their father writes "grammer".
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"Grammar Nazi's out there........"
Ha! A grocer's comma. I was wondering how long it would take for one to come up.
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" I'm a very educated, fluent writer with better than average writing conventions,"
What's a writing convention? Aside from the fact that the entire language is one large convention.
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"They're called homophones. Somewhere along the line, many people seemed to decide that as long as 2 words sounded the same, they were interchangeable."
These people have a collective name: homophonephobes.
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"Teacher: Hello, Stephanie, may I speak to your mother?
Stephanie: She ain't here.
Teacher: Why, Stephanie! Where's your grammar?
Stephanie: She ain't here neither."
Precious!
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"But in this day and age of computers, and spell checking, editing is much easier."
Unfortunately, making errors in editing is also easier, because one's vigilance is weakened and it wanes.
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I'm a stickler for grammar, because I was raised in a country where grammar ruled. People were ridiculed viciously and their mistakes were corrected, sometimes with the rod.
In my eyes it's a weakness.
But this thread made me realize that it's a cultural issue, an issue of differing values between societies. If I were to be fair, I should get indignant why people don't eat their father's brains like the natives in Paupa, and get angry at people who don't blow their snut on the pavement. This discussion gave me perspective.
Some say that mistakes may become normal and accepted parts of the language if enough people make them consistently enough times. The French and the Italian languages probably grew out of Latin by people saying things the way their teachers told them never to say that way. | |
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Posted: 9/5/2008 8:08:21 PM | [Does it bother anyone else that no one uses the right words for anything these days? I mean, we are all adults on this site right? then why is it that over half the people on here seem like they have a 5 year old typing for them?
When I was in kindergarden I knew the difference between they're, their, and there, where, were, and we're, whether and weather, you're and your, no and know, sense, scents, and cents, seen and scene... I could go on...
how is it that no one knows this stuff anymore? how does anyone graduate without knowing this stuff?\quote]
Being in various chat rooms, etc. I have learned to be more tolerant of others. I have learned that people of various educational backgrounds come to these forums. People are doing the best that they can in many cases. It really bothers me, however, when I see misspellings, incorrect grammar, etc. on business signs. I feel that if people from other countries are going to open a business in this country, they should make sure their signs are written properly. If they do not know how to do it themselves, they should consult with someone who knows proper grammar and spelling. I believe in giving people on these forums a break. | |
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| the miss use of words like your and you're, or there, their and they're.
Posted: 9/6/2008 10:30:58 AM | Naaaahh ... I have about as much patience with the English Police as I do the Dust Bunny Police. In my world, language is meant to communicate, not impress. If impeccability is desired from other human beings, working on controlling anal tendencies would be a far better place to start than where someone put their apostrophes ... in my opinion, of course.
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Posted: 9/6/2008 11:45:29 AM | I'm very, very on the fence with this one. Let me give an example as to why:
A little while ago I met someone in real life who I just about fell head-over-heels for. Anyway, we decided to chat not only in "real life", but online as well. To make a short story shorter, turns out his online typing isn't...um...ideal! lol. However, I couldn't dare let it bother me since I knew him originally from the "real world" and knew how great of a person he is. Had I originally met him online and skipped over him simply because of his typing, I would never have had the opportunity to meet such a wonderful person!
Like I said, I'm on the fence! As much as I dislike text speaking and rape of the English language, I'm trying my best to NOT be such a stickler! Could be missing out on someone fantastic! | |
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| the miss use of words like your and you're, or there, their and they're.
Posted: 9/6/2008 1:09:03 PM |
how is it that no one knows this stuff anymore? how does anyone graduate without knowing this stuff?
OP, I simply focus on what is actually being communicated. If you focus on grammer you could possibly misunderstand. Also consider that some people are typing quickly when posting. I type close to sixty words a minute. And without spell check may not be accurate at times. I'd like to be given a break though especially in a casual dating environment.  | |
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