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Posted: 5/17/2008 1:03:28 PM | I'm sorry, Hawaii, but it is hard to take you at your word here:
Not being argumentative, I'm sincerely waiting to be enlightened.
when you choose not to seek enlightenment. *knock, knock* Anybody home? | |
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Posted: 5/17/2008 1:45:11 PM | "Fatty and Skinny were laying in bed.
Fatty farted and Skinny was dead!
Fatty called the Doctor and the Doctor said:
'Another one like that and we'll ALLLLLLLL be dead!' "
OP: that team at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine was right! The Doctor that Fatty called was part of the research team!
Hmmmph! Cow farts indeed!
Now about those hotflashes... damn, they burn me up!  | |
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Posted: 5/17/2008 1:47:18 PM | | all these things may cause global warming but the real threat is the amount of people here on earth. Every effort to stop it by walking to work or going on a diet are only ways of slowing it down. If you go out and convince someone to have 2 kids instead of three, the amount of energy you save from that one dude being born and using energy his whole life will be more then difference of fat vs skinny people. There are about 9 billion people here, only about 1 or 2 billion at the beginning of the 20th century and there wasn't a problem then. People probably won't understand this until it's to late, however our earth will get rid of us to even out the odds due to storms from global warming (we have already seen), or from people killing themselfs from the cost of natural resources lol. | |
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Posted: 5/17/2008 3:34:46 PM |
Warmthnpassion, I know that sounds believable and all, but it is patently false when on examines the facts
flyguy51, I heard that on a radio program so I will retract that statement about volcanoes. I still am not convinced in the slightest and certainly would not spend a dime to combat global warming.
The theory of CFC's depleting the Ozone layer is another one that I disagree with because there was a company called Peroxidation Systems that used O3 to destroy CFC's and only small quantities were required and not the vast amounts that are claimed. The Ozone hole has also not been followed for any significant length of time. In addition, as the sun's radiation gets closer to earth, more free radicals are formed in an increased density of O2 making the formation of O3 exponentially higher. I really do believe that DuPont made up this whole crisis because the patient on Freon expired just at the same time that the 2 DuPont scientists brought this theory to the national press. | |
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Posted: 5/17/2008 4:00:11 PM | | There is no denying that overweight people are more energy intensive and have a greater carbon footprint. Unlike most of the junk science behind Global Warming, this makes some kind of sense. Just as Al Gore pays carbon offsets so he can lead an extravagant and wasteful lifestyle, maybe fat people will be forced to pay fat offsets; by giving money to skinny people for not eating, they will become fat neutral. It would certainly provide a boost to the incomes of anorexics, supermodels and famine victims. | |
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Posted: 5/17/2008 4:46:09 PM | Yeah, and what about this so-called "gravity?" Nobody's ever even seen it, and we're just supposed to take Big Science's word for it? Maybe that Newton fag just stood up under a low hanging branch! Hell, whatever, he hit his head and then thought up this stuff. Now it's gospel!?
DAMN Big Science for making up detailed, peer-reviewed analyses just to line their pockets and mislead the billions. I'm sure glad I never get treated like that in church!
Cheeese!
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Posted: 5/18/2008 11:28:31 AM | Well, let's see, take a 3,000 lb car driven by a 150 lb driver, the driver's mass is about 5% of the total mass of the car, vs a 300 lb driver whose mass is 10% of the total mass of the car; Actually, my car gets the same mileage whether I drive alone or with a passenger or two, increasing the total mass by 5% or so is inconsequential; more efficiency is lost if the tires aren't properly inflated.
I can think of dozens of reasons why obesity is a problem, global warming isn't anywhere near the top of the list. | |
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Posted: 5/18/2008 1:10:13 PM | The one that gets me is the "We are running out of water" B.S.
Supposedly we are using up all the water in the world. Soon there will be none left. the oceans will run dry!! Too many plants and too many people are drinking up all the water!!
When even a respected magazine like Discover has a major article on it you know the world is full of "the sky is falling" pseudo-scientists who have managed to get degrees in idiocy and lunacy and minors in conspiracy theories.
Funny thing is nowhere in any of the articles do they mention the best way to get fresh water is from rain - and where does most rain come from?? Water that has evaporated from plants and animals! | |
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Posted: 5/18/2008 3:47:57 PM | | like some have hinted at,it's just another way of saying that we are mass consumers...soon there will be a lot more fat Chinese people...people who have money eat lots...and yes,developed countries consume more,therefore,they contribute more to global warming...trying to keep them satisfied....in all ways..not only food consumption but also in production of food and everything else that keeps this economy going...the big one is health services....fat people have more health problems and I think that is the reason everyone is on this get skinny kick...but,I don't care what animal we are talking about....eating is a big pastime and if food is in front of any animal they will eat....so,in a round about way,cow farts are part of the parcel of overeating too...and any other farts...turkey,chicken,sheep,pork,beef,all are force fed and all fart more...the secret is to get everybody working....and work off the fat and the farts...do veggies fart?....no,but when force fed they grow bigger so soon we may have to worry about oversized veggies and how do we eat them?...ROFLMAO...have to get bigger pots. | |
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Posted: 5/18/2008 3:49:15 PM | I'm always amazed at how many people are willing to interpret facts to suit their desires. It's so easy to say, well we don't know for sure, so why should I use energy more efficiently? Or, I'm only one person, what difference can my little ol SUV make? Or my favorite, "It's gods plan, we're all going to get raptured up anyway."
We were given dominion over the garden of eden, and we chose to deficate in our own home. We deserve what we get. Hope you have a gun, cause when the 6+billion people stop getting food, and those fat americans can't run their air conditioners, it's going to get very unpleasant...
So believe what you want. Keep driving your SUV, watching Nascar, and taking your diabesity medicine. The one thing I've learned in this life, is, you generally get what you deserve. And we, collective, are almost certain to get ours... | |
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Posted: 5/18/2008 7:37:53 PM |
flyguy -- still waiting for one post that even comes close to answering my question.
I guess waterfall took a weekend holiday. Good for him !!
Yup, spent the weekend running whitewater. Good fun!
As to your "question", I assume you're referring to your fictitious scientists Al and Joe. That seemed much more like an assertion on your part than a question. If you actually have evidence of the government promising 40 years of work to a scientist who supports the human role in global warming while firing one who does not, I'd like to see it. There is ample evidence of the current administration hampering scientists whose research supports the concept of antrhopogenic climate change, actually, so your "question" has no basis in fact.
Care to restate your question?
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Posted: 5/19/2008 10:30:15 AM | | Haven't you heard it's not global warming anymore...it's global climate change. First there warm global cooling then things warmed up. Then it was global warming and now things are cooling so to make sure the got all the bases covered it now global climate change. This way the don't lose their credibility when the are completely proven wrong. Man made?...more like solar activity made...man made just lets them point the guilt at us and make us pay. Good thing they didn't seed the atmosphere to cool things down like they wanted to do...they'd have really screwed it up. Of course it would have been our fault and we'd have to pick up the tab. | |
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Posted: 5/19/2008 1:18:01 PM |
It's so easy to say, well we don't know for sure, so why should I use energy more efficiently?
Just because people do not believe in global warming or that the human factor is causing it is absolutely no reason to not conserve energy. I very much agree that too many people waste energy. There are just so many ways people can save energy and not even reduce their current lifestyle. Saving energy makes great economic sense and it also makes the world a cleaner place to live in so it something everyone should be actively doing together. I do not understand why so many people have these huge vehicles that get something like 12 miles to the gallon and they never use it for hauling much of anything other than groceries or a couple of kids. | |
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Posted: 5/19/2008 2:16:59 PM | Welcome back waterfall.
The original question was can anyone give light to my scepticism.
So far I've had you taking it as an personal assault and flyguy assaulting my integrity which is standard operating procedure i guess.
In response to one of your statements I don't know any scientists which is the reason that I put this independant thinking hypothetical here.
Maybe I'll just stick with the humor ala message # 40 and continue to laugh at AL Gore and his peace prize winning rock star status.
How's that for a question that maybe someone can answer?
I"m I a better person than most because I only drive 35 miles a week ? | |
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Posted: 5/19/2008 4:08:30 PM |
The original question was can anyone give light to my scepticism.
If this is your question, then it has an easy, simple answer: yes. However, the problem here relates to the saying "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink."
In other words, I supplied a link after your original statement of skepticism. Your subsequent posts show an unwillingness to investigate in any way whatsoever. I made my "assault on your integrity" in direct response to your unwillingness to read my very short reference concerning the relative effect of volcanoes on the climate.
The only assault here is an assault on willful ignorance, or at least a lack of genuine curiosity on the subject. Please feel free to prove me wrong in that regard. | |
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Posted: 5/19/2008 4:53:00 PM |
I"m I a better person than most because I only drive 35 miles a week ?
Yup, that's a good thing. I don't know you well enough to judge you as a person, but in terms of carbon footprint the less we drive the better.
The original question was can anyone give light to my scepticism.
So far I've had you taking it as an personal assault and flyguy assaulting my integrity which is standard operating procedure i guess.
I didn't take it as a personal assault, but I do admit I'm a bit gun shy after past experiences discussing this topic here. Over a year ago I got into a heated exchange on the science/philosophy thread. I spent countless hours digging up specific citations to address skeptic theories about sunspots, solar flares, natural fluctuations, volcanic activity, faulty satellite and ice core readings, etc..... Despite the overwhelming evidence, the two or three devoted skeptics on the thread never budged an inch.
The weight of the scientific evidence really is overwhelming on the human role in climate change, but not one of those who said "I just don't believe it" was any more convinced despite volumes of specific citations. It was then that I formed my opinion that it was pointless to try to educate those who already have their heels dug in.
The challenge with this issue is that the general public is under the impression that there is far more scientific debate on the human role in climate change than is actually the case. A very few very vocal skeptics have made their living in recent years making the skeptic case. Not one of them has survived the peer-review process. Not one national science organization with any relation to climate science has taken a position in any way questioning the basic premise that human activities are warming the planet.
So when someone like yourself asks for enlightenment, and is pointed to the huge volume of supporting research available at the touch of your mouse, those of us who believe the established science on the matter don't honestly know what else to do. You admit you don't know any scientists, but you are quick to assume that the thousands whose work supports the concept of human induced climate change corrupted their work product just to provide job security.
I suggested at the outset of this thread that all who have an interest do their own research. If you are looking for skeptic arguments, there are plenty to be found on the web, just as there are theories that we never landed on the moon, the plane never hit the pentagon, the holocaust never happened, etc. That's why I suggested that whatever you find that sounds credible to you, research the source of the information to see who supports and who questions those conclusions. After you've done that, if you'd like to engage in informed dialogue, I'm all for it.
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change issues regular summaries of their efforts, detailing the current state of the science on the issue and their collective confidence in their findings. It's good stuff, with input from hundreds of sources. That's where I'd steer anyone looking for a good overall summary. But there are plenty of other sources, and new science being released every day. Most recently we've extended our ice core drilling history of greenhouse gas concentrations from 600,000 to 800,000 years, and still find we've got more CO2 and Methane in the atmosphere than at any time during that period.
But if you'd rather not bother to actually look at the science yourself, and instead just toss an offhand "I'm skeptical - convince me" to us here, you'll just have to settle for us noting that the science is solid on this. The remaining uncertainty is how much, how soon, and how effective can our efforts to minimize the damage be, not whether it's happening, whether humans have an impact, or whether we should care.
It is, we do, and we absolutely should.
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Posted: 5/19/2008 5:05:54 PM | flyguy - went to edit and my quote window dissapeared.
<div class="quote">This is a Canadian based site and I really have to hand it to Markus Frind the founder. As well as all the other good things about it I can surf all over with my 12 year old narrow band dial-up PC and it's faster than any other web page I go to. I can't send more than 2-3 Yahoo emails without my computer freezing up. It's so frustrating that I end up here lately.
Not only quicker but alot cheaper than ebay too.
Thought I'd quote myself from a different thread just to let you know. I don't surf around for links like you can on high speed 'cause it will evetually mean that I'l have to reboot alot.
No time to read waters' right now but will later tonight.
Mahalo plenty.
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