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Posted: 5/24/2008 8:47:43 AM | | Investigate salba. | |
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Posted: 5/24/2008 5:30:37 PM |
While I'm willing to consider information presented by a nutritionist on the payroll of Mercola
She's not on his payroll, she's on his advisory committee. They have a professional relationship that is mutually beneficial, but neither receives payment from the other. Those kinds of relationships are pretty common in health care. For example, I have an editorial advisory committee, but I don't pay the board -- unless you consider paying for trips to board meetings "payment". NIH doesn't pay members of its various advisory committees for their time either.
I have friends who conduct research, (one is a researcher for the USDA, the other a medical researcher), and I worked at UC Davis for 2 years in a research facility. I know that frequently different conclusions can be derived from the same set of data by different individuals, even different departments competing for limited funding.
Yeah, me too. I've seen more than my fair share of rats. I haven't worked in a research facility, but I'm sure we know many of the same people at Davis.
Conclusions differ depending on methods, and I always question research subsidized by drug or supplement companies. Before I even read research I go to the end of the paper and see who's funding it, and if there are any conflicts of interest.
The field of science, as indicated by the history of Dr. Lister
Actually people thought Joseph Lister was crazy, because he insisted that there were these things called germs that no one could see. In the 1860s when Lister was requiring his surgeons to sterilize instruments and wear gloves, most surgeons didn't even wash their hands. 
Your source may be right on.
Actually she's one of the smartest people I've ever met, and I don't give compliments easily. Further, her research isn't funded by drug or supplement companies. | |
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Posted: 5/24/2008 10:24:52 PM | Thanks 1happinessforyou; I will look into those, I eat walnuts already, I will just add more to my current diet. I just have to hope I don't get allergic to those, lol.
As for shoulderlegs, get a life and a clue. My boyfriend is very supportive, he has given up some of his favorite foods for me and so that we CAN kiss and my body isn't 'off-limits.' I carry an Epi-Pen at ALL times due to have severe of a reaction I have. He has his priorities, an I am one of them.  | |
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Posted: 5/24/2008 11:53:53 PM |
If X amount of supplement provides Y benefit then 2X would provide 2Y... if the body was wonderfully linnear and there were no limitations. However, there are. 2X may provide 1.2Y... and 10X may provide 1.5Y... and 20X may provide 1.6Y... and cause reaction Z. Vitamin B is a great example- massive doses of vitamin B will give you extremely long term to permanent nerve damage. Weee! Vitamin A another- too much and you get sick. Very sick.
Thanks for the clarification, I thought you were saying that taking large doses of a suppliment would increase the bodies need for the suppliment so that subsiquent doses would need to be even higher...much like a heroin addicts need for more and more.
While for the most part I agree with you that taking large doses of suppliments will not improve their effectiveness and can cause damage, I believe the size of the dose is dictated by the condition being treated. In the case of fish oil the label recomends a dose suitable for arthritic pain but if you are using it to help treat a brain function or mood disorder such as bipolar then a much larger dose would be more suitable and is recomended by physicians. | |
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Posted: 5/25/2008 5:46:12 AM | General rule for vitamins. Vitamins A, D, E and K are fat soluble and the excess will remain in your fat cells. This could cause various toxicities if you consume too much. B vitamins can cause toxicity at VERY HIGH doses, but for example, it's hard to overdose B12 because it doesn't absorb well and needs to be injected. B6 at 1,000x the RDA will cause symptoms, but you could probably go 500x and not have symptoms.
High doses of fish oil will give you diarrhea, but I'm not aware of toxicity. In most commercial brands of fish oil the vitamin D is removed.
BTW, salba is not a supplement, it's a brand name for chia seeds. These are not a good source for n-3 acids because while they are 30% n-3s, they are 40% n-6s. The purpose of taking n-3 acids to start with is to reduce the ratio of n-3s to n-6 and n-9.
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Posted: 5/28/2008 12:13:59 PM | A few years ago, I suffered from severe debillitating joint pain. Getting out of the car was painful. I could not bend my knees or elbows. I would scream in my sleep from turning the wrong way.
I finally went to a doctor, who ran tests then sent me to a rhumatologist, who diagnosed me with Lupus.
The initial dose of predisone got me back to normal. And that first day was like Heaven. And now I take an immuno-suppressive med to keep it in check. But I also supplement my diet with Fish Oil.
And today I feel better, more limber and stronger than ever. Gotta have my fish oil. | |
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Posted: 5/28/2008 1:05:12 PM | To make the fish/cod-liver omega-3 go further, work better, reduce the sources of omega-6/-9. They are pro-inflammatory and off-set the anti-inflammatory of omega-3.
Vigorous exercise is also anti-inflammatory. | |
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Posted: 5/29/2008 3:29:06 AM | Thanks VC,
I will try that as fish burps are disgusting. | |
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Posted: 5/29/2008 6:01:05 AM | | You can also get fish oil capsules with an enteric coating. Does the same thing if you can refrigerate them. Costco sells them in their Kirkland brand. | |
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Posted: 5/29/2008 5:05:20 PM | Back onto megadosing. I bought 100 last week, took 20 / day ran out on tuesday, so didnt take any. My workout on tuesday was intresting, I got a personal best on the pull down machine. 90KG close grip for 2 reps, the most Id done before was around 80KG for 4 reps. Before I put it down to fish oil I should say I have been constantly improving and gaining in the last 3 months, so it could be coincidental.
I'm working chest and tri's tomorrow, Ill be aiming for a personal best on the dumbell presses 5 x 25 incline.
Let you know how it goes... | |
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Posted: 5/29/2008 5:15:29 PM | | A couple people have commented on the bad taste -- if it bothers you, you can purchase fish oil that has lemon juice added to it, and for me at least, the lemon kills a lot of the objectionable oily taste. | |
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Posted: 5/30/2008 1:49:42 AM | Excessive fish oil has given you a 2RM ~12% higher than last weeks 4RM on a machine? I can see the connection! Someone hold me back before I buy all the fish oil in the world! It should be banned from the olympics.
Maybe some of the fish oil was sweated onto the machine, lubricating it properly. | |
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Posted: 5/30/2008 12:50:12 PM | ^^ Not funny
I had my workout earlier today, I managed to squeeze 5 reps at 25kg which is another personal best, perhaps it has something to do with the increased insulin sensitivity, or perhaps the increased circulation. What do you think Crazytimes1?
I have noticed my skin is a little more oily, I feel a little leaner in the morning (very strange) and I have a little spot on the side of my face.
I think I'll be sticking to fish oil at 10g a day - Gona push for some more PB's next week  | |
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Posted: 6/6/2008 8:57:59 AM | Fish oil supplements also seem to help w/dry eyes...esp if you are a contact lens wearer.
I tend to have dry eyes and the supplements really help.
And yes, they are great for kids. and there are companies who make chewable forms for kids.
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Posted: 6/6/2008 3:00:27 PM | 10g a day? Holy cow.
I take about 4800 mg. I like it for hurt knees and smarty pants brain stuff. My knees are as strong as they've ever been since the 'big' injury. I'm lovin it.
My hip flexor is feeling pretty good too, I'm ready to go. Im also taking ETS which is basically zinc and mag for muscle soreness. Helps me sleep and I recover faster. | |
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Posted: 6/9/2008 3:22:44 AM | | Good thread, I used to take around 50 1g pills a day for 2 months as an experiment (up from about 15 a day). Did I notice anything different? No, not really. | |
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Posted: 6/9/2008 4:30:02 AM | | Another update as this threads been bumped. I cut down to 4 x 1.2g pills a day. I reduced mainly due to the ammount of spots. I did notice a few changes, few negatives a few positives... the gym pumps were definatly noticable but I felt fatigued quite a lot. Cannot say with 100% it was due to fish oil but to play safe I cut down. at £4 per 100 20 a day is rather costly! | |
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Posted: 6/9/2008 5:08:27 PM | Omega-3 works best when it's not trying to overwhelm the imbalance of too much omega-6,-9 in S.A.D.
So to make your expensive omega-3 intake more effective, reduce the cheap omega-6, -9.
Other sources of omega-3 are chia seed and flaxseed, flaxseed being under $2/pound in the bulk bins. Flaxseed oil is very expensive and unstable (has to chilled from the factory to avoid oxidation/rancidity). Stock it whole, and grind it fine in blender just before consuming.
Chia is a hot, trendy superfood so it's really expensive in @ 1 lb, but can be had for $7.50/pound in bulk. | |
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Posted: 6/9/2008 9:14:59 PM |
Other sources of omega-3 are chia seed and flaxseed, flaxseed being under $2/pound in the bulk bins
The purpose of taking omega-3 fatty acids is to increase the ratio compared to omega-6, and omega-9. You're not going to do that with flax or chia seeds because they each contain omega-6s. Chia seeds contain more 6s than 3s as a matter of fact.
FWIW, it's better to take the fish oil capsules than cod liver oil, because cod liver oil is made directly from fish and can contain impurities like mercury. | |
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Posted: 6/11/2008 7:36:08 PM | | I have begun taking it primarily for liver and kidney issues, it has certain benefits I'm looking for. | |
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Posted: 6/12/2008 6:45:02 PM | I am learning alot from this thread and want to take fish oil--very interesting stuff here. Money is a factor don't have much to spend but would like someone to just give me a brand or two to recommend I buy to start out with. | |
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Posted: 6/12/2008 7:56:31 PM | Fish oil and cod liver oil from the best brands is expensive, like Carlson's.
I bet nealry all of the mfrs (I bet there aren't that many) know to filter out mercury and other heavy metals.
I stand corrected on chia, thanks.
http://www.chia4life.com.au/blog.htm
It's got a horrible ration of omega-6 -9 to -3.
So the tactic is to reduce inflammatory omega-6 and -9 intake so supplemental omega-3 is more effective.
With fish stocks collapsing all around the world, expect fish oils and cod liver oils, already expensive, to increase substantially. Vitacost.com and iHerb.com have the best best prices on liquid fish/cod oils. | |
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Posted: 6/13/2008 4:14:37 AM | Liteinside -- Try Now Foods Super EPA Double Strength. They are 720 mg EPA/480 mg DPA per 2 capsules for a total of 1.2 grams n-3 acids. Comes in a bottle of 240 caps for retail of around $25, but you can get them at Vitaglo for $16.59.
Now Foods also has a product called Ultra Omega-3 that is 500 mg EPA/250 mg DPA per single capsule for a total of 750 mg n-3 acids, and it's also enteric coated. However, it's more expensive. Comes in bottles of 90 capsules which can be gotten on the street for as little as $14.00 or so a bottle. Vitaglo doesn't carry these, because they're all about low price. The cheapest I found these on a quick search was at a site called VitaSprings.
satx78218 -- The better brands of cod liver oil do try to filter out mercury. However cod liver oil also contains vitamin D, which is removed from n-3 acids capsules. Unless you're getting regular 25-OHD tests, you could be getting toxic levels of Vitamin D in your system.
I know this because I am D deficient, and take 3,000 IUs per day. But I also get tested every 6 months.
There are some researchers out there who are doing some hugely unsafe vitamin D studies, where they are giving very high dose D to children and only testing once a year. Some of those kids had toxic levels of D by the end of the study.
If you're supplementing with high dose D, you NEED TO BE TESTED. There's no getting around it, because everyone metabolizes vitamin D differently. Some people can take 4,000 IUs a day and still be deficient, while others can take 1,000 IUs per day and be toxic after a few months.
Stepping of the D soapbox for now . . . | |
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Posted: 6/13/2008 7:49:26 AM | | If anyone plans to megadose - make sure there is no added vitamin A. You do not wana overdose on vit A. Best place is probably ebay. You can pick up 365 x 1000mg fish oils for around £10 | |
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Posted: 6/13/2008 8:37:12 AM | Omega-3 fatty acids commonly have a small amount of vitamin E in the capsules, but not vitamin A. I checked a couple of brands. Carlson contains 10IU per capsule, and NOW Foods contains 4IU per two softgels. You'd have to take an awful lot to overdose of Vitamin E at either dose.
Nonetheless, I recommend reading the label of any supplement you take to be sure you know what it contains.
I'm not sure what capsule you're taking that contains vitamin A. I've never heard of such a thing. | |
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