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| Guys who can't or won't fix things around the house Posted: 5/22/2008 11:51:58 AM | I thought this article would suit this thread well.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-566482/Feminists-created-Mr-Sensitive-REALLY-want-man-fix-car.html
BLAMING MEN FOR THEIR OWN DOING
Feminists created Mr Sensitive, but what we REALLY want is a man to fix the car By LOWRI TURNER 15th May 2008 Picture the scene: I am standing in front of my car, fingers hooked under the edge of the bonnet, trying to free it so I can lift it. I need to put water in the engine, but first I have to get the bonnet open. As the woman who once responded to a puncture by turning the radio up and driving until smoke billowed from the shredded tyre, I am far from adept when it comes to solving car problems. Still, as I attempt grimly to manipulate the locking mechanism under the bonnet, I hear a male voice. "Can I help you?" I look sideways. A dark-haired man has put down a briefcase on the pavement (a risky manoeuvre where I live, but from his accent he sounds foreign, so maybe he doesn't know that yet) and is advancing toward me. With an accent I now realise is Italian, he declares: "I don't like to see a woman do this alone. This is man's work!" My first thought is that we have somehow slipped back, Life On Mars style, to 1973. "If I look down I'll be wearing a suede A-line skirt and a polo neck," I think. 1973 was about the last time any British bloke uttered the phrase 'man's work'. However, I am still wearing my 2008 kaftan and sandals, so my second thought is that he is being ironic. However, the furrow in his brow says he is serious. As he gestures for me to step aside, deftly lifts the bonnet and instructs me to start the engine while he pours the water in, I realise that I am dealing with what most of us thought was an extinct species Macho Man (MM). Macho Man used to wear tight trousers, have obvious facial hair and do manly things like check the football scores and drink pints of bitter from a glass. In ultrasmooth mode, he might have insisted on lighting a woman's cigarette in a bar. He definitely insisted on paying for dinner. MM became a joke and wandered off into oblivion some time in the Eighties, when pubs began to turn gastro and the only men with moustaches were gay. That's what we thought. In the UK, MM might be extinct, but abroad, as I was discovering, he is alive and well. I was standing right next to the genuine article as he lectured me on why I shouldn't be trying to sort out my car on my own, and I was just taking it. More than that, I blush to admit that I was actually enjoying it. A decade ago, had I received the 'man's work' speech, I would have given MM a feminist lecture on equality of the sexes, told him to get lost and struggled on myself. I would have been appalled at the suggestion that I needed rescuing from my automotive crisis. So, how come I just handed him the water jug and put the key in the ignition? Exhaustion, I think. I am part of a generation which has spent the past 20 years proving to men that we don't need them. In doing so, we have painted ourselves into a corner, literally in some cases since we have given up waiting for the men in our lives to redecorate the spare room and girls are now doing it for themselves, as well as everything else. I look at myself and my girlfriends, all so tired from being bravely, fabulously independent, and I wonder if, in wanting to show we are not silly damsels in distress, we have let men off the hook? When it comes to domestic chores, we do seem to have a bad deal. These days, we do our mother's work, the cleaning, cooking etc, and our father's DIY, putting stuff in the loft, as well. This is, admittedly because it's often quicker to do it ourselves than wait for the men to get off the sofa and we don't have to waste energy nagging. But it is exhausting. For those of us who are single parents with sons, the example we set is worrying. I look at my two boys, seven and five, and wonder if they will grow up to assume that women do the shopping, cleaning, cooking, washing, car maintenance, DIY etc. while men tinker round the edges, doing the odd run to the bottle bank or buying overpriced salami at the organic deli. Yes, it's good to show boys that a woman's talents have no limit, but not if it means they are going to sit on their bottoms and expect their girlfriends to put the rubbish out. So, perhaps the time is now ripe for the return of Macho Man, not the knuckle-dragging Neanderthal but a chap who knows where to put water in the car, decides where to go for dinner and can clear blocked guttering. Emotional intelligence is all very well, but if a pigeon dies in your cold water tank, it's not much use being able to discuss how you feel, you want someone to get the blinking thing out. So it is interesting that this is exactly the point at which many cities in the UK have an influx of foreign MMs. These are Eastern European workmen - Polish plumbers, Estonian carpenters for whom the idea of machismo never went out of fashion. As they tip out of planes at Heathrow and Gatwick, it is like setting a herd of wildebeest free in Hyde Park. They seem so out of place in our PC environment. Some even have irony-free moustaches. British women are getting their first taste of Macho Mandom in 30 years. I recently employed a bunch of Albanian MMs to work on my house. When I explained I was separated from my second husband, the team foreman sighed and said: "You English girls!" clearly despairing of the British woman's stroppiness. Still, the upside was I never had to carry the shopping upstairs and they put all my suitcases in the loft. As for my Italian MM, after filling up my car up with water, we swopped numbers and have been out twice. Date one, he brought me a rose, which was pretty retro I thought. Date two, he announced apropos of nothing "I am a man!" in full "I am Spartacus" tone. I tried not to laugh. MMs can be unintentionally hilarious. The way to deal with a modern MM, I realise, is to channel his energies into things you need him to do, like fix the car, and ignore the rest, or at least don't let him see you smirking. It might hurt his ego, poor lamb. | |
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| Guys who can't or won't fix things around the house Posted: 5/22/2008 1:17:47 PM | | Call it "old school" if you want, but I *love* a man who wants to fix all the broken things around my place to help make me more comfortable. I think it shows caring! Call it "old school" if you want, but I love cooking a man dinner and then cleaning up, and doing his laundry, too. It is probably the generation I came from. I love to wait on a man. It pleases me and I just wish I could find a man who wants it! | |
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| Guys who can't or won't fix things around the house Posted: 5/22/2008 1:43:17 PM |
Call it "old school" if you want, but I *love* a man who wants to fix all the broken things around my place to help make me more comfortable. I think it shows caring! Call it "old school" if you want, but I love cooking a man dinner and then cleaning up, and doing his laundry, too. It is probably the generation I came from. I love to wait on a man. It pleases me and I just wish I could find a man who wants it!
You should've said this in your original post. Everyone got the impression you just wanted to use men to get things done around the house.
Just be patient. The right one will come along, but yes you'll have to weed out the ones who are just after sex, just like anyone else has to do.
Good Luck,
Krys | |
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| Guys who can't or won't fix things around the house Posted: 5/22/2008 2:55:01 PM |
Personally, I love doing DIY and fix-r-up stuff.
I don't do it for everyone though, and I certainly wouldn't do it in a casual dating situation.
If you want me to fix your house, you need to keep me around your house long enough for me to feel it needs to be fixed. I'm not a piece of meat, or free labor at your whim. Demonstrate to me you're willing to invest some effort and emotion in me, and I'll return the favor. Makes perfect sense to me.
My "date" this week offered to take a day off work to spend helping me with a rather large project I was having some difficulty with. (I'm a plumber, not a carpenter) While I was really impressed by his consideration and kindness, I told him I'd rather spend the day with him. Soooo, I made a gourmet picnic and took him to one of my favorite State Parks. (He brought the wine). LOL! later though, he fixed my rather contrary wireless networking between laptop and desktop so that I no longer have to transport files via flash drive. My already high opinion of him went up about 3 notches because it's pretty evident that he just wanted to do something nice for me as an expression of appreciating our friendship. | |
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| Guys who can't or won't fix things around the house Posted: 5/22/2008 8:27:37 PM | Dear God in heaven!!! I can't believe this, but I am about to 100% agree with Xeno...
Why is it that many women believe that men are obligated to do things for them because of their gender? But if a man thinks that women are obligated to do ANYTHING because of his gender, he is an chauvinist or some type of idiot?
I can just imagine if a guy made a complaint about women not cooking him meals or doing his house work. The thread wouldn’t last 5 minutes but its socially acceptable for women to believe they have entitlements over men.
Many of today's women seem to have a poor understanding on what equality is. He's hit the nail right on the head (pun intended). If a man started a thread about dating a woman who wouldn't do his laundry, can anyone honestly say that the thread wouldn't turn into a bitter battle? Yeah. | |
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| Guys who can't or won't fix things around the house Posted: 5/22/2008 9:52:45 PM | Beauty,
Some guys are good at that stuff and enjoy it, and some don't. It's not good or bad, it's just a matter of personal preference. Guys are entitled to that just as we are. Please don't hook up with a guy looking to change him. Just accept him for who he is. If a guy doesn't possess the qualities that are important to you in a relationship, set him free and keep looking. You wouldn't want a guy to start dating you as a brunette, then complain constantly that you're not a blonde, would you? We need to look at what's there, not what could be there if only..... he'd be somebody different. The right one will show up, keep his spot open so you'll be ready when he does. | |
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| Guys who can't or won't fix things around the house Posted: 5/22/2008 10:29:37 PM | Given the Daily Mail piece above, it's interesting to realize just how far women have come...
The Slave's Happiness
The lemon-coloured MG skids across the road and the woman driver brings it to a somewhat uncertain halt. She gets out and finds her left front tyre flat. Without wasting a moment she prepares to fix it: she looks towards the passing cars as if expecting someone. Recognising this standard international sign of woman in distress ("weak female let down my by male technology"), a station wagon draws up. The driver sees what is wrong at a glance and says comfortingly, "Don't worry. We'll fix that in a jiffy."
To prove his determination, he asks for her jack. He does not ask if she is capable of changing the tyre herself because he knows - she is about thirty, smartly dressed and made-up - that she is not.
Since she cannot find a jack, he fetches his own, together with his other tools. Five minutes later the job is done and the punctured tyre properly stowed. His hands are covered with grease. She offers him an embroidered handkerchief, which he politely refuses. He has a rag for such occasions in his tool box.
The woman thanks him profusely, apologising for her "typically feminine" helplessness. She might have been there till dusk, she says, had he not stopped. He makes no reply and, as she gets back into the car, gallantly shuts the door for her. Through the wound-down window he advises her to have her tyre patched at once and she promises to get her petrol station attendant to see to it that very evening. Then she drives off.
As the man collects his tools and goes back to his own car, he wishes he could wash his hands. His shoes - he has been standing in the mud while changing the tyre - are not as clean as they should be (he is a salesman). What is more he will have to hurry to keep his next appointment. As he starts the engine he thinks, "Women! One's more stupid than the next". He wonders what she would have done if he had not been there to help. He puts his foot on the accelerator and drives off - faster than usual. There is the delay to make up. After a while he starts to hum to himself.
In a way, he is happy.
Almost any man would have behaved in the same way - and so would most women. Without thinking, simply because men are men and women are so different from them, a woman will make use of a man whenever there is the opportunity. What else could the woman have done when her car broke down? She has been taught to get a man help. Thanks to his knowledge, he was able to change the tyre quickly - and at no cost to herself. True, he ruined his clothes, put his business in jeopardy and endangered his own life by driving too fast afterwards. Had he found something else wrong with her car, however, he would have repaired that, too. That is what his knowledge of cars is for! Why should a woman learn to change a flat tyre when the opposite sex (half the world's population) is able and willing to do it for her?
Women let men work for them, think for them and take on their responsibilities - in fact, they exploit them.
Since men are strong, intelligent and imaginative, while women are weak, unimaginative and stupid, why isn't it men who exploit women?
Could it be that strength, intelligence and imagination are not prerequisites for power but merely qualifications for slavery?
Could it be that the world is not being ruled by experts but by beings who are not fit for anything else - by women?
And if this is so, how do women manage it so that their victims do not feel themselves cheated and humiliated, but rather believe to be themselves what they are least of all - masters of the universe?
How do women manage to instill in men this sense of pride and superiority that inspires them to ever greater achievements?
Why are women never unmasked?
- from Esther Vilar's 1972 book The Manipulated Man. | |
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| Guys who can't or won't fix things around the house Posted: 5/22/2008 11:01:41 PM | | I'm not sure what time warp you are living in, but women have been bringing home bacon, having the kids & fixing their own cars and doing household repairs since the Rosie the Riveter era, when men got all lazy and became couch potatoes that burp & fart. So there. | |
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| Guys who can't or won't fix things around the house Posted: 5/22/2008 11:15:59 PM |
So does this mean if my future girl friend wont cook me meals and wash up the dishes and do the house work without any equivalence in return from me, she is just using me for sex also? Makes as much sense as anything else I have read in this thread. I am a woman and I think women are just wierd when it comes to sex. They(not all, but a lot) seem to think that when they have sex with a man that they have done him a huge favor and should get something out of it other than the sex the man is also giving them(she is giving him too) | |
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| Guys who can't or won't fix things around the house Posted: 5/23/2008 1:44:17 PM | I have to take exception to the stereotype. I absolutely keep my house in nearly perfect condition, although I am not anal about it. Matter of fact, I keep all things in my possesion in good order. I can cook, clean, take care of the kids, and did just that for the two years my wife was sick before she passed away, I was also her full time caregiver those last two years, quit my job to take care of my family. It was hard but I would not have traded the expierience for the world. Needless to say, I am now very self-sufficient. Not only that, all my stuff is paid for, house included!!!!!!! So if your tired of the same old shit--------------------------------- There are guys out there who have there shit together and are not totally gay or weenies. Sometimes you have to look for us. | |
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| Guys who can't or won't fix things around the house Posted: 5/23/2008 2:47:20 PM | Well are you looking for a handyman or a partner?
Why can't you hang a picture by yourself - it's really NOT that difficult.
Are you implying that a man is only good in your eyes if he's able to fix things around your home? sheesh. | |
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| Guys who can't or won't fix things around the house Posted: 5/23/2008 3:03:49 PM |
Are you implying that a man is only good in your eyes if he's able to fix things around your home? sheesh.
Some women think like that...including my ex-wife! Then again, she's one of the shallowest people I know. | |
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| Guys who can't or won't fix things around the house Posted: 5/23/2008 3:09:32 PM | Just a personality thing... I know guys who love to do the fix-it thing, but only care to do it to their own place. They could care less about helping someone else out. Then there are the ones that could care less if their own ceiling was falling down around them. I think having the handyperson (male or female) is just as cool as having the cook, the cleaner, the lover, the finacial guru, the comedian, or whatever turns you on.... What you want is what you should look for. Guys or girls. | |
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| Guys who can't or won't fix things around the house Posted: 5/23/2008 3:16:57 PM | skye2010 has a pretty good grasp of the situation.
Some guys just aren't the "handyman" type. As long as they are good to you and productive in their own way (whever way that happens to be), who cares! | |
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| Guys who can't or won't fix things around the house Posted: 5/23/2008 5:12:05 PM | Guess I was one of the lucky ones whose dad taught her how to do a lot of stuff for herself, "because there won't always be a man around" when I moved away from home. I must admit though, there is something sooooooooo very sexy about a man who knows his way around a toolbox! And if he knows his way around the kitchen too, then I think I'm in love. Funny thing is, I get asked a lot if I can cook (and yes, I am an excellent cook, by the way) because these guys keep running into women who don't (or won't) cook. I am from the school of "the way to a man's heart is through his stomach" so have no problem making a good man a great meal. And yes, I can do some of my own vehicle maintenance, light plumbing jobs and yard upkeep, and then can whip up one helluva meatloaf! lol. | |
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| Guys who can't or won't fix things around the house Posted: 5/24/2008 7:32:08 PM | when i was young i learned how to be self sufficient.. i can change my own oil, spark plugs and windsheild wipers.. i can fix my own toilet and repair a leaky faucet..
you don't "need" a man to do things for you.. go and get you a set of tools (mines pink) and go crazy learning how to do things for yourself.. oh, and you'll definately need a cordless drill. they make life sooooo much easier..
now i'm not saying that guys half a** things sometimes.. but i find it's easier, quicker and more how i like it when i do it myself..
good luck with everything.. | |
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| Guys who can't or won't fix things around the house Posted: 5/24/2008 10:43:46 PM | | Actually, I rather like fixing things by myself. I'd like to end up with someone who not only cooks (or at least cooks better than I do) but does the dishes, too. Heavy lifting would be a plus, but I've prided myself on being pretty self-sufficient all of these years. I just want an equal partner. We can hash the details out when the time comes. | |
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| Guys who can't or won't fix things around the house Posted: 5/24/2008 10:59:07 PM | | There was another thread that about beat this to death "I need a man NOW" I already posted there I can fix most things and always willing to fix stuff and trade sexual services for it. I can't help being a nice guy. | |
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| Guys who can't or won't fix things around the house Posted: 5/24/2008 11:32:47 PM | I have been in maintence/repair service since 1972 ~ and I can honesty say, I've never receive a little tail because I fixed something. ~ so my point is ~ Where are the women that practice this behavior?!!! I really would like to know, ~~ for obvious reasons.
Thats not to say ~ I havn't enjoyed many a ladies fancy ~ only that it wasn't predicated on services rendered. But more of a mutual , "Hey! this is fun!" "Lets do it again!"
My experience has been, the more you give in this area ~ the less you get. You become like Mikey "Give it to Mikey, Mikey eat anything"
Women like to feel independent and I like to see that they are, so make me a deal I can't refuse pretty lady.
Men get older and wiser, they have little interest in showing off in this area.
Find a young guy that still likes to show off and slay draggons ~ just for a little tease
Men in love ~~ work there asses off for you girls ~ so there is your "answer" is it not?
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| Guys who can't or won't fix things around the house Posted: 5/25/2008 9:04:12 AM |
This is, admittedly because it's often quicker to do it ourselves than wait for the men to get off the sofa and we don't have to waste energy nagging. But it is exhausting.
I work long hours, cook, clean, repair things around the house (that *I* bought), take out the trash, do my own renovation projects, take care of the yard, the garden, the acreage and the animals and the mini farm, run all the errands, do all the chores, fix all things computer and electronic, can repair plumbing, electrical and structure stuff... and take care of my own libido, too. I don't NEED a man to do these things, but that doesn't mean I prefer it that way.
The other day I was at a party and telling a funny story about this idiot contractor I hired for a job that I just didn't have time to handle. A man piped up and said, "This is why you gals need to learn to do stuff for yourself!"
I usually end up with very un-handy guys, and I usually end up helping them with their house issues instead of the other way around. But I once dated a very nice gent who was also handy and willing. He helped me with my house, we had hot thank you sex. I helped him with his house... more hot thank you sex. Back to my house... Ultimately things didn't work out, but both our houses looked great. Maybe we just ran out of projects? | |
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| Guys who can't or won't fix things around the house Posted: 5/25/2008 9:08:22 AM | | i can admit ive never really done things around the house in terms of fixing, but i know it isn't hard for some things you may not understand, where its as easy and searching how to do it on a website (kinda like how people found this site). Just got to be optimistic on doing things. That being said well hanging a picture over having sex/making love with a women...Hmm. | |
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