| Obama on Immigration
Posted: 5/20/2008 4:57:51 AM | While scanning through Senator Barack Obama's voting history I ran across this vote that he made regarding illegal immigrants seeking legal status in this country. Note that this vote was made on 6/6/07
He voted against this Amendment:
Bill Number: S Amdt 1184 to S Amdt 1150 to S 1348
Sponsor: Sen. Cornyn, John (R-TX)
Denying Legal Status for Immigrants Convicted of Certain Crimes:
Project Vote Smart's Synopsis:
Vote to pass an amendment that would prohibit undocumented immigrants convicted of aggravated felonies, domestic violence, stalking, violation of protection orders, crimes against children, or crimes relating to the illegal purchase or sale of firearms, from gaining legal status.
I don't get a warm and fuzzy feeling knowing that my potential president of the future condones this kind of behavior to illegal immigrants of my country. Don't we have enough crime in this country without giving legal status to convicted felons?
His (and everyone elses' voting record) is available here:
http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=9490
How is this singular vote going to strengthen our America and keep it safe? | |
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| Obama on Immigration
Posted: 5/20/2008 5:14:29 AM | This is a huge drawback with Obama.
He actually reportedly co-wrote the Kennedy/McCain Bill on awarding Amnesty to the illegals who are here now, to the tune of some 20,000,000+. And to welcome more.
That Bill is the one they tried to ram through Congress twice in the last two years, and failed, thanks to an outraged US citizenry, who called and wrote Washington in record numbers. Also the very same Amnesty Bill Bush heavily promoted both times.
He's also said on the stump that there "isn't a dime's worth of difference between himself and McCain on immigration". (He tends to refuse to use the term "Illegal" Immigration).
Those voting histories will nail ya to the cross every time!
-Suth'nBoy 
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| Obama on Immigration
Posted: 5/20/2008 5:18:21 AM | We might be talking about two different things introduced up for the vote -- as this one is specifically geared towards barring illegal felons from citizenship.
Let me research the one you're referring to and come back with a definitive answer. | |
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| Obama on Immigration
Posted: 5/20/2008 5:18:32 AM | Your warm and fuzzy control center is missing the point of reviewing voting records. The idea is to understand the context. It's called mud slinging when you pick and choose for emotional effect this and that taken out of context or otherwise misrepresenting the candidate's beliefs, views, or positions. Congratulations on being an amateur political operative. I get a warm fuzzy knowing anyone can learn the tricks of the trade in political campaigning.
It is obvious from the valuable information you provided here that Obama is an enemy of America and wants to bring Mexican Rapists here to terrorize our native daughters. And who knows, maybe our sons as well! | |
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| Obama on Immigration
Posted: 5/20/2008 5:24:50 AM | My goal is to encourage people to do their own research by going to see how the candidates voted on various issues.
As noted in the original post, I encourage people to go to the website and see how the candidates voted on issues they choose of personal interest.
I thought this issue might be of interest to many.
The voting record is accurate. I apologize if it isn't shiney and screams CHANGE. | |
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| Obama on Immigration
Posted: 5/20/2008 5:40:42 AM | | Your TV watching has affected your sense of purpose in society. | |
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| Obama on Immigration
Posted: 5/20/2008 6:56:55 AM |
He actually reportedly co-wrote the Kennedy/McCain Bill on awarding Amnesty to the illegals who are here now, to the tune of some 20,000,000+. And to welcome more.
There is a funny story about this. He never showed up for any of the hearings, but ran into the writers as they were on the way to announce it. He asked if he could join them in the photo-op (a common request) and they said yes. When they got there, Obama grabbed the microphone first and thanked himself and everybody else for the long hours they put in on the bill - Kennedy was reportedly livid.
Of course this was papered over in his relationship with Kennedy, but McCain still say's he had nothing to do with the legislation. According to Obama "I worked with John McCain (on the immigration bill) even though he won’t admit it now.”
I read this in the Post a month or so ago but can't find it online. The gist of the piece is that he grabs credit on all the legislation he can. | |
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| Obama on Immigration
Posted: 5/20/2008 7:35:42 AM | | Thanks for the post this is what I have been saying all along...everyone needs to review how every candidate has voted so that they can better understand what their candidates true agenda is not the Rhetoric that they think will get them elected...Obama is soft on crime..simple as that, this can be tied to his belief that the system is racist and to his belief that crime disproportionately effects the minority community..How is reviewing how someone actually voted Mudslinging? Unless you find the way your candidate voted to be in some way Scandalous.... | |
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| Obama on Immigration
Posted: 5/20/2008 7:48:58 AM | | All three candidates voted NO for this legislation. | |
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| Obama on Immigration
Posted: 5/20/2008 7:53:35 AM | | I reviewed all of their records, it is the reasoning behind the vote that should be examined...Obama has the most lenient stance on issues related to crime overall, his vote is consistent with this, read his statements in regards to crime on his websites and elsewhere and it will give a greater understanding of how he thinks and what he really believes... | |
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| Obama on Immigration
Posted: 5/20/2008 7:58:05 AM | Could be smart even intelligent to actually investigate WHY someone botes against a bill particularly when you do not know the full contents of the bill nor outside negotiations on other bills.
But then that would be too wise for most posters.
Senator Obama played a key role in the crafting of the immigration reform bill that the Senate passed before the 109th Congress adjourned. The bill, which President Bush supports, would provide more funds and technology for border security and prevent employers from skirting our laws by hiring undocumented immigrants. The bill also would provide immigrants who are now contributing, responsible members of society an opportunity to remain in the country and earn citizenship. But not all undocumented immigrants would be guaranteed the right to remain in the U.S. under this proposal: they would first have to pay a substantial fine and back taxes, learn English, satisfy a work requirement, and pass a criminal background check.  | |
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| Obama on Immigration
Posted: 5/20/2008 8:06:17 AM | | I see no surprise here...Obama is a committed hard leftist. The media should be doing more background reporting on him and for some reason they aren't. There is a lot not to like about him. | |
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| Obama on Immigration
Posted: 5/20/2008 8:12:40 AM |
A: The criminal justice system is not color blind. It does not work for all people equally, and that is why it's critical to have a president who sends a signal that we are going to have a system of justice that is not just us, but is everybody. I passed racial profiling legislation at the state level. It requires some political courage, because oftentimes you are accused of being soft on crime. Obama
Number two, we have to go after mandatory minimums. You know, mandatory sentences for certain violent crimes may be appropriate, but it has been too widely used. And it is using now a discriminatory impact. Obama
We need to make sure that we do deal with the distinction between crack and powder cocaine. And ultimately we need an attorney general and a system of justice that truly does treat people equally, and that has not happened under this administration. Obama
These are but a few statements made by Obama that reflect his views... | |
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| Obama on Immigration
Posted: 5/20/2008 9:18:45 AM | | I won't argue about what you perceive as Fact..but you are correct the statements were not directly related to Obamas vote on the bill in question. They were only offered as an indication as to why I believe that Obama voted no on the bill in question as it was related to criminal acts, these statements gave insight as to why Obama would oppose such a bill... | |
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| Obama on Immigration
Posted: 5/20/2008 11:25:59 AM | Both Immigration Reform Bills (heavily promoted by GW Bush, attempting to force them rapidly through Congress before anyone realized it), were rejected by Congress due to citizen outrage and massive reaction. One last summer, and one the year before. Both essentially the same, for all intents and purposes.
However, Clinton had nothing to do with originating or promoting either. She did however, vote the wrong way along with the others. So no existing candidate is completely free of responsibility regarding this.
McCain says they are all God's Children and all deserve fair and humane treatment in America no matter where on Earth they come from. Obama essentially agrees, and says so. He also says he co-wrote the Bill, almost as though he's proud of it! Clinton doesn't press illegal immigration or amnesty as an issue in her campaign. This to her credit.
There is a new Illegal Amnesty bill this year however, which was just passed, tacked on underneath a Military Funding Bill, and theoretically out of sight of the mainstream. Probably yet again at the hands of the sly Shrub and his misguided, anti-American cronies. I don't know a lot of details about it yet, but it was shoved through very recently, under the table. Senator Dianne Feingold (D-CA) was one of the originators. And now that what they did is out in the open, it will no doubt be addressed and disputed in a very serious way. It's up to American citizens to make sure of that. Or if not, certain Congressional heads are likely to roll. This is no small matter.
Mudslinging??? Where is that? Try reality! Try instead not hiding one's head in the sand. That works a lot better.
-Suth'nBoy
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| Obama on Immigration
Posted: 5/20/2008 1:54:01 PM |
I won't argue about what you perceive as Fact.. You canNOT do so intelligently.
you are correct Yet another fact!
these statements gave insight as to why Obama would oppose such a bill... Only in the fact that as those statements suggest, Obama believes its time that the law be fair and equal. Better "insight' is the FACT that McClain who is a republican as was the bill's author voted NO as well. As did Hillary. | |
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| Obama on Immigration
Posted: 5/20/2008 5:42:20 PM | re: msg 16
It wasn't Feingold, it was Feinstein. And the bill did not pass yet, it only passed the senate. From what I read, it hasn't passed the house yet. I hope it doesn't pass.
Instead, Pelosi needs to stop blocking democrat Heath Shuler's immigration reform bill HR 4088 which is much better than McCain's bill he kept trying to pass. Imagine that, a democrat beating out a republican for a stronger and more effective immigration reform bill? Congressman Shuler must be doing something right, McCain reportedly doesn't like the bill(probably because its a bill thats too effective and will actually go a long way to stopping illegal immigration, while McCains bill was weak and ineffective)but then again Obama probably doesn't like it either because Obama reportedly worked with McCain(and the National Council of La Raza which had virtual veto power on the legislation to make sure it was weak and ineffective) on his weak and ineffective immigration reform bill.
I also admire Shuler's bravery in standing up to Nancy Pelosi when she wanted him to drop this bill and forget it. Courageous democrats like Nancy Boyda and Gene Taylor and other democrats have also stood up to her calling for her to allow the bill to come up for an up or down vote.  | |
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| Obama on Immigration
Posted: 5/20/2008 9:10:45 PM |
to the tune of some 20,000,000+. And to welcome more.
As the OP said, people really need to do their own research and look at the facts.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8G6U2ko8&show_article=1
So the number of illegals in this country is not quite as out of hand as the dive-by media might make it out to be. I love when reporters just ballpark figures instead of doing actual research.
At any rate, the one thing to consider for those of you who would say, "Make the illegals go home!" The number one problem with that is that the illegals have taken up jobs that, "hard working Americans," refused to take. I mean, how many of you if you lost your jobs tomorrow would:
Apply for a job as a basic cook (i.e. fast food)
Apply for a job in construction
Apply for a job in housekeeping/cleaning
Apply for a job as a grounds keeper
Apply for a job as a farmer/farmer's hand/farmer's aid
These are the top job categories that illegal immigrants take up. Now I can understand if maybe teens aren't getting the fast food jobs that they'd like, but that's not a typical complaint that I'm hearing. I have yet to hear teens cry out, "illegal immigrants are stealing our jobs!" Construction workers, I can understand, it's a far more diverse workforce across the country. But I would think that the majority of Americans with at least a high school diploma, wouldn't think to take any of the job categories listed above.
So yeah, we can send them home if we really wanted to, but when we do, who will take their place? Americans who will demand higher minimum wage? Americans who will want health care coverage, full time, benefits, etc... By no means am I trying to say that Americans are lazy, but they are definitely needy, and not willing to work on their hands and knees if they have to. If they were, we wouldn't have a use for social services like Unemployment. People who lost their high paying jobs would simply work whatever job they could till they could get back on their feet. I know when I lost my job earlier this year, that's exactly what I did. | |
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| Obama on Immigration
Posted: 5/20/2008 9:35:19 PM |
These are but a few statements made by Obama that reflect his views...
Insolent, everything you say about Obama that you think discredits him, just makes me like him more.
thanks for that! | |
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| Obama on Immigration
Posted: 5/20/2008 9:40:50 PM | | Your welcome....glad some good is coming from these forums...thats what makes this environment so interesting different views different perceptions..I am still waiting for someone to offer a reason based argument as to why Obama would be the best choice for All Americans.....with "evidence" that is not provided by the words of Obama the politician.... | |
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| Obama on Immigration
Posted: 5/20/2008 10:14:39 PM | | He won't be best for you Insolent. You're first on the list to go to the Caucasian Concentration Camps. | |
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| Obama on Immigration
Posted: 5/20/2008 10:38:40 PM | the senate is passing a stealth immigration bill tomorow... there is an "amnesty" for illegal agriculture workers that was snuck into the iraq funding bill or the agr. bill. i can't remember which... anyone know?
obama is def bad on immigration. there is no way around it. that is, if you want something done about the borders. if you are an open borders person, well, he's your man. he'll do absolutely nothing about it. the other two won't do much more though. there isn't a strong candidate on immigration.
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| Obama on Immigration
Posted: 5/20/2008 11:01:28 PM | I think for the most part, illegals take jobs at pay lower than legal workers are willing to. I guess it really depends on what part of the country you live in. Some areas of the country have smaller numbers of illegal aliens, yet those areas seem to get by without many illegal workers and the legal workers do most of those jobs, as they did before illegals started to come here in massive numbers. If illegals leave overnight, that would be a problem economically. But if they are made to gradually leave on their own for the most part(by making sure they can no longer work here illegally or get on welfare) over a period of a few years by increasingly better enforcement of laws, the transition to higher paid legal workers will happen much more smoothly. We also can and should help and encourage people on welfare(some legal poor people who got pushed onto welfare by illegals because they could no longer find work in the low end jobs they used to do) to take the jobs too. Its also worth noting its been said that illegal immigration hurts the African American community the most, here are a few articles which touch on that
http://www.vanderbilt.edu/news/releases/2007/4/30/illegal-immigration-hurts-african-americans-vanderbilt-professor-believes-congressional-black-caucus-is-ignoring-the-issue
http://news.pacificnews.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=370fa6cabebbd4fbe63259c57f0ae571
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/drowning.html
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:CNMoIWWn54QJ:judiciary.house.gov/media/pdfs/Fair070509.pdf+illegal+T.+Willard+Fair&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us
According to this website below, statistics showed that in a single year, 81% of illegal immigrants coming in were hispanic, while only 4% were black(as for legal immigration, hispanics also come in in much higher numbers than blacks as well). Those numbers have not changed much in past years.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4703307
Here is a report from 2005 which shows the estimated number of illegals commonly reported by the census is actually close to twice what they say it is.
http://www.bearstearns.com/bscportal/pdfs/underground.pdf | |
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