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Flawed Oregon Petition Rises Again
21 May 08
Climate "Science" by the Pound

A climate change petition started in 1988 by the tobacco industry's favourite scientist (Federick Seitz), has just been re-released with a reported 31,072 signatures of "scientists" - some of whom are reported to actually work in the field.

The Oregon Petition was originally started by Dr. Seitz (formerly the principal adviser to the RJ Reynolds medical research program) and by Arthur B. Robinson, a lapsed biochemist who now operates the one-man Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine.

Robinson himself was quoted recently saying that a survey was an inadequate way to pursue science. "The numbers shouldn’t matter. But if they want warm bodies, we have them.”

But that turns out to be an overstatement. Seitz, for example, died in March.

But the odd quirk has not lessened the excitement that this document is generating in the denier press. Take for example the breathless coverage offered by the National Post. Frequent contributor Lawrence Solomon declares that 32,000 is even more than the number of journalists who attended the Rio Earth Summit in 1992, which surely must prove something.

Of course, Solomon recently produced a whole book entitled The Deniers, which, despite the title, included NO ONE who actually takes issue with the fact that human-caused greenhouse gas emissions are warming the planet at an unprecedented rate.

Yet now he trumpets this ever-expanding list of (unsubstantiated) names and celebrates their credibility, bizarrely, on the basis that "the effort was spearheaded by Dr. Frederick Seitz, past president of the National Academy of Sciences and of Rockefeller University, and as reputable as they come."

"As reputable as they come"? Well that may have been true in 1962. when Seitz was appointed head of the National Academy of Sciences. It may still have been true in 1968, when he was named president at Rockefeller. But things apparently started going downhill, even before Seitz helped found the Exxon-funded George C. Marshall Institute, in 1984. And by 1989, Bill Hobbs, a senior executive at RJ Reynolds, was telling people that "Dr. Seitz is quite elderly and not sufficiently rational to offer advice." (He was just 78 at the time.)

So, here's a guy who ended his career as paid flak for the tobacco and arms industries, who wsas dismissed by a tobacco executive in 1989 as "not sufficiently rational," who nine years later embarrassed himself and the National Academy of Sciences by helping to present his bogus petition as a NAS project, and Lawrence Solomon calls him "as reputable as they come."

That should be very helpful in establishing the relative reputability of everyone else on this list.

One last comment: 32,000 turns out to be an interesting number. It's a favorite number for Art Robinson, keeper of the petition. That, he says, is how many copies he has sold of his Christian fundamentalist home-schooling kit - which is based, in part, on a free version of the 1911 Encyclopedia Brittanica.

As Larry Solomon might say: "as reputable as they come."

http://www.desmogblog.com/flawed-oregon-petition-rises-again

If we prepare for, and take precautions to mitigate the damage due to global warming, like making cars more efficient and less polluting, and it turns out to be less serious than anticipated, we will end up with more efficient cars and less pollution.

If we continue our present policies and lifestyles, do nothing to prepare and it turns out worse than anticipated- we're screwed. All of us.

Apparently, this is a difficult decision for some. Unfortunately, opinions won't mean diddly when it comes down to it.

What better to scare the masses that tell them they live on a dying planet. Temps fall and the global cooling ball got rolling. Then the worst possible thing happened...it got warmer and thus the death of global cooling and the birth of global warming. Once again something awful happened...temps start to moderate or even cool. Panic struck until someone uttered the wisest of words...climate change!! That way no matter what kind of natural cooling and heating cycle the panic can continue. Hooray!!!

Global warming is a money grabbing hoax. In the 70's it was going to be another ice age...I have no problem with people who are environmentally conscience, but it takes a true gullible buffoon to think the earth is getting so hot we are about to kill it. To think every time we take a breath and let it out , we are killing the earth...if you believe this global warming B.S...stop breathing my air!

We have charts and graphs to back this up, a global warming denier has only the power of ignorance and denial.

If we prepare for, and take precautions to mitigate the damage due to global warming, like making cars more efficient and less polluting, and it turns out to be less serious than anticipated, we will end up with more efficient cars and less pollution.

If we continue our present policies and lifestyles, do nothing to prepare and it turns out worse than anticipated- we're screwed. All of us.

Apparently, this is a difficult decision for some. Unfortunately, opinions won't mean diddly when it comes down to it.


I nominate the above as the PoF post of the year.

Amazing how far a little common sense takes ya. [/quote}

For sure and I'd pay extra(for a decent performing fuel miser vehicle) just to stick it to the oil companies like they've stuck it to me for years (hard and dry no dinner first let alone a kiss). But then again I can be a vindictive SOB.

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Would you bother talking weather with a guy than can't reliable tell you if it will rain next week? Global warming may be a hoax, it may be worse than all the chicken little's have thought, but a meteorologist still wouldn't evoke much confidence in whichever side he came down on.

The earth is beleived to be 4.5 - 5 billion years old.. with humans first appearing in the past 200,000 years.. with a couple of hundred years of recorded history to work with.

4 of the past 5 hottest years (on record) happened in the past 8 years of the 21st century, and that means that we are changing/affecting the 5 billion year old planet ?

If I walk into a store 1 minute before closing time, and watch the activity in the store for that one full minute, and they don't sell anything, can I then conclude that the store is in trouble or might be going out of business?