| NEW FEATURE: Listing of Car or no car unfairly penalizes less affluent
Posted: 5/23/2008 7:09:34 PM | I think it is darn nice of plentyoffish.com to offer this excellent dating service for free.
I do not think it a good idea to have a listing for whether or not a person has a car. And just putting NA is not that great of an option either.
Such information unfairly penalizes those people, particularly men who are less affluent - from the starting block. Many but not all women are less likely to date a man without a car as opposed to one who does have one. It's an instant strike against a person who for whatever reasons cannot afford a vehicle. The price of gas doesn't help.
It would be better to NOT have this option listed on profiles. And allow people to get to know each other as PEOPLE first. Not for what they have or don't have. And if they like each other, whether or not they have an automobile becomes less of an issue. Or IF it's that important to someone, they can ask the question themselves. This makes it a fairer playing field and encourages better relationships.
I'm hoping the administrator of plentyoffish can and will remove this from the profiles headings. | |
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| Listing of Car or no car unfairly penalizes less affluent
Posted: 5/23/2008 7:27:09 PM | The kind of woman I am looking for on here would not put much importance in a personal vehicle. So I chose PREFER NOT TO SAY.
Such information unfairly penalizes those people, particularly men who are less affluent
Men or women who own cars may not be affluent. There are people who have NO fixed address out there who own cars. House ownership is a better indicator that someone may be affluent.
My car choice filters out the ones who are looking for a chauffeur. | |
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| Listing of Car or no car unfairly penalizes less affluent
Posted: 5/23/2008 8:09:55 PM | | i agree with Steve on this one - I hate hate hate driving - but I am willing to do my share. However i am not willing to be the only driver, aka chauffeur. if this was an affluence statement car type would be the options. For me - i really dont care if you drive a 300 dollar beater, or a 50 000 dollar truck. I simply care that you drive, and will be able to do your share of the driving. | |
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| Listing of Car or no car unfairly penalizes less affluent
Posted: 5/23/2008 8:29:06 PM | It might not be a bad idea to know right off if a person has a car or not. Suppose two people without vehicles get to know each other online, and decide that they wish to meet......... only to realize down the road, that neither of them owns a vehicle, or has access to reliable public transportation.
I don't know about the rest of you, but I am NOT willing to give my parents a heart attack from laughing so hard, when I ask them if they could give me a ride to my dates house. | |
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| Listing of Car or no car unfairly penalizes less affluent
Posted: 5/23/2008 10:42:24 PM | I live in Montreal, where the public transportation is pretty good. You can take a taxi when you absolutely need to, and it rarely adds up to the cost you pay in insurance and gasoline. I actually leave my car in the garage all winter, and call my insurance company for what's called a "remisage" in French - it means your insurance is suspended for the time your car isn't on the road. You get a rebate on your premium since you're not driving it.
Someone who has a decent job but has no car is impressive to me. That person pollutes less, saves money on gas and insurance, and probably has less stress. Driving is a health risk! Cars kill over 30,000 people every year in the US, I think. Walking/biking is healthy!
I know lots of people who have financial problems (lots of debt) because they've over-borrowed for a gas-guzzling car, and that choice causes them to live beyond their means. It's getting worse every day with gas prices skyrocketing.
So, use the fact that you don't have a car as a strength! One woman I met on a date was surprised that I didn't drive (not that I didn't pick her up). But parking and aggressive drivers outweigh the advantage of driving. She totally thought I was crazy for not going everywhere in my car.
If someone is judging you because you don't have a car, then that person's not right for you -- next fish please! | |
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| Listing of Car or no car unfairly penalizes less affluent
Posted: 5/24/2008 9:09:11 AM | In the past, people were always free to disclose, or not disclose, whether they had a car, or their education level, in the body of their profile.
Why could it not have been kept that way??
When I 1st found this site, one of the things I liked was: it gave users the opportunity to describe themselves, in their own words, in the written part of their profile.
By comparisson, another site I'd noticed, had limited space for users to personally describe themselves. The other site relied instead on a large number of dropdown menus, where users selected everything about themselves, and everything they hoped to find in a partner, from the choices on those menus. (such as: number of pets, number of roommates, eye-colour, prefered hair length on a partner, etc)
In my humble opinion: Allowing users to individually describe themselves, provides a greater glimse into their personality; than just letting them select options from drop-down menus.
If someone feels the need to broadcast to everyone that they own a car: Let them write it in their profile.
In my opinion: Fewer drop-down menus leads to better written profiles.
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| Listing of Car or no car unfairly penalizes less affluent
Posted: 5/24/2008 9:42:58 AM | thank you plenty of fish......this is my opion only,to some it might seem selfish to others hurray and finally!!!! i sure would like more personel questions this way people will know more or less if people are honest and who they want to choose to date or whatever!!!      | |
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| Listing of Car or no car unfairly penalizes less affluent
Posted: 5/24/2008 11:43:49 AM |
Listing of Car or no car unfairly penalizes less affluent
I think it could be very misleading and misinterpruted
I have to say that I do not own a car that is because I do not drive....
I know someone who does drive,has a highly paid job, is affluent but chooses not to own a car,they use public transprt......
Lots of people do not have cars that they own for various reasons, some ride cycles or use motorbikes..
I think a better question would have been do you drive?
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| Listing of Car or no car unfairly penalizes less affluent
Posted: 5/24/2008 12:14:10 PM | well i don't think so because i seem to have been the taxi driver for some people on here and i would like to choose...gas prices are going up right??? so i do not think its a stupid question..sorry...the truth is the truth..peopl want honesty well there it is,if you don't be honest or say NA..right,sorry...i am a single women making shitty moneyy sooo .....   | |
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| Listing of Car or no car unfairly penalizes less affluent
Posted: 5/24/2008 12:59:31 PM | I think it could be very misleading and misinterpruted Exactly.
People are too quick to jump to their own assumptions.
Many people will automatically assume that someone with no car is less afluent than someone with a car.
A guy with a wrecked Chevy Nova, that doesn't run, sitting on his lawn, may not be too afluent. But, technically, he does own a car.
So someone who leases a nice car or drives a company car has to answer "no" If I have a truck, and an SUV, but not a car, maybe I should "no"?
I think this is a silly question, Not any less silly than "what is your fish personality?" | |
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| Listing of Car or no car unfairly penalizes less affluent
Posted: 5/24/2008 1:21:09 PM | I can not see any benefits or negativity about the function.
If people are bothered by it, they should select 'prefer not to say'.
As for showing the people are more affluent than others, that is complete rubbish!! I have enough money to buy a nice car but I chose not to have one!! There are others I know who drive a 15 year old car because that is what their budget allows, so because they have a car, they must have more moeny?!!! Thought not, just the way some people percieve others. Having a car or not having a car has no reflection on whether you have money or not!
Please note, it does not ask what car you have, what year it was made and how much it costs or its Net book value so I do not see where the problem is. | |
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| Listing of Car or no car unfairly penalizes less affluent
Posted: 5/24/2008 2:18:19 PM | i dont have a car because i paid for my own post secondary and graduate studies not to mention i need hand controls to drive which puts me in the hole even more
wtf, i agree remove the car option
some people have cars because there parents pay for all there shit so they can waste their income driving, what does that say for someone who pays for all his own shit and helps his mom pay for things over and above rent, isn't that the kind of character women should be looking for on this site
I'm willing to bet unfortunately that almost 0 women will date a man with no car unless theyre younger then he is, for example me being 22 and the lady 18
SCRAP IT, plus if a woman wants a ride I have a lovely walker with three inch rims she can join me on, it's not a rolls royce or even a civic but its a free ride and the pleasure is unbelievable lol | |
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| Listing of Car or no car unfairly penalizes less affluent
Posted: 5/24/2008 2:21:59 PM |
Ferr. said; Not any less silly than "what is your fish personality?"
Actually, the choices are mostly bottom scavengers and opportunist hunters. Need I say more...
Dolphins would be the best choice! They get along well w/ others. play nice, protect others etc.
BTW, Ichthyology is another of my majors!   | |
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| Listing of Car or no car unfairly penalizes less affluent
Posted: 5/24/2008 8:00:28 PM | Some interesting comments here and a lot of good points. Yes, some people have
plenty of money but don't own an automobile like many folks who live in Manhattan. A lot of people in New York City rely on public transit and most folks are cool with that. nd yes, someone can own a vehicle that is not in the best of shape...
And all the rest of the myriad of possibilities that have been presented in response to
this initial thread.
But GENERALLY, (yes there are exceptions), having an automobile in North American society is viewed as either 1. a status symbol or 2. an essential. And a lot of women, NOT ALL women, will shy away from meeting / hooking up with a man who doesn't own a vehicle from the get go. Perhaps they’d feel differently if they got to know the person.
Also, one has to remember that it is NOT just the cost of an automobile but it's
maintenance that some people have trouble with especially given the cost of
insurance, repairs, gasoline, parking and so forth. PERHAPS, if people are allowed to
get to know each other for their qualities as human beings first, instead of their material positions, then we level the playing field to make it a little fairer for everyone.
If people want to discuss their ownership of a vehicle - fine. If they'd rather it not come into the conversation - that's also fine. But the new heading in the profile section brings it into conversation even if someone puts NA. That’s why I recommend scrapping this heading. | |
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| Listing of Car or no car unfairly penalizes less affluent
Posted: 5/24/2008 10:08:28 PM | | If a woman is basing her opinion of whether to get in touch with me/date me based on whether i own a car or not (I dont), then I want absolutely no contact with such a superficial person to begin with. If they dont want to contact me because I dont drive, its her loss. | |
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