| Current administration played into terrorist's hands
Posted: 5/28/2008 8:21:23 AM | When arguing in favor of Bush and his "war on terror", many still reason that "we haven't been attacked since 9/11".
I admit that I rationalized this way for the first year of the war in my attempt to remain patriotic even though I have never liked GWB. I woke up when Bush declared the "war is over", yet our troops continued getting killed in increasing numbers.
Why should the terrorists be in any hurry to attack us again, when they are attacking us every day without even trying? We are still bleeding profusely from 9/11, thanks in part to our fear mongering leaders and some future hopefuls.
I'm sure it is very satisfying to men like Bin Laden as they patiently watch our resources dwindle in the middle east and our economy struggle at home. | |
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| Current administration played into terrorist's hands
Posted: 5/28/2008 8:31:26 AM | All wars are a game... Bush and Bin Laden very much like playing... as it suits them fine. I can't imagine that bin laden did not organise twin towers thing without praying that bush would invade somewhere... he must have been doubly pleased at the outcome so far.
It would be great if everyone else could wake up to they have nothing to gain from war (which ever side they have been told that they are on). But that's how government works and survives. | |
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| Current administration played into terrorist's hands
Posted: 5/28/2008 9:02:39 AM | Empires w/ multi-front wars, distracted populations & dwindling resources/economies do NOT survive very long. Somebody on the other 'side' at least read their history books.
No worries, it's much easier to put in place a totalitarian police state when there is unrest in the streets.
Check out the info on 'security' measures in China's experimental capitalist zones to see where we will be in 20 years........shades of BladeRunner. Biometric databases, ubiquitous vid cameras linked directly to Police w/ triggers for assembled groups, running, etc. Guess where the tech for those measures are coming from?
Yep. Same people who take your fingerprints when you fly into JKF airport, etc.
Tech that is illegal to sell to China, I might add. | |
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| Current administration played into terrorist's hands
Posted: 5/28/2008 11:14:19 AM | Pretty much everything this administration has used to play on this country's fear is that of things going on in the middle east and results from what occured from 9/11. You'll never hear an apology for it either, nor ever any admittance of any wrong doing.
Shoot, you wouldn't need it. It's all played out before us in all that's happened. | |
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| Current administration played into terrorist's hands
Posted: 5/28/2008 11:30:43 AM | Indeed.
It's truly sad and outrageous the prejudice this admistration has managed to stir and help perpetuate when they started this war. Sure, we may have had concerns and possible troubles before Clinton and Bush, but did we have the country so up in arms and so full of hate for a faith that have lived among us for such a long time as we do now? It's absolutely disgusting. | |
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| Current administration played into terrorist's hands
Posted: 5/28/2008 12:07:08 PM | Tis why keeping education to a minimum benefits the ruling class.
Can't have the cannon fodder read & understand Orwell, now can we?
Unfortunately, always the demigods on both sides want a clash of Faiths to fulfill their own personal dreams & cabals. The Crusades:Part II
& It will remain so until we evolve out of the greed generated by the 'lizard' portion of our brains. | |
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| Current administration played into terrorist's hands
Posted: 5/28/2008 1:16:17 PM | The theory we haven't been attacked since 9/11, is to take it in a vacuum. Like there was never a terrorist act before 9/11. Or to say any terrorist act not done on American continental territory (so we don't count attacks on Embassies) does not count as a loss in the war on terror, which was going on since at least 1972 Munich Massacre.
As far as playing into anyone's hands, look at Iran. The biggest threats on their border are not Israel, but the Taliban in Afganistan, and Saddam Hussein in Iraq. Did we not weaken both for them? We don't want them to restart the nuclear program we begged them to start in 1979. Meanwhile we sponsor India's program, and now want to start selling the Saudis (hoping they'll buy our uranium, not the 80% pure from the Congo). Like the Israelis want this?
We keep shedding our allies with every attempt we make to get the terrorists. Talk about playing into hands....this is, according to Reagan, how we took out the Soviets. we outspent them until they couldn't afford to keep up anymore. Is that how we'll lose? 9/11 was a pre-emptive strike on our command structure, it cost half a mill or less. How much has our war on terror cost so far? | |
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| Current administration played into terrorist's hands
Posted: 5/28/2008 2:11:48 PM | Bush, Cheney, et all have entirely screwed the pooch for all of us in America. Not to mention Canada and Europe.
Take a hard look at what is happening around you.
The war in Iraq has caused oil prices to soar!
The whole idea behind the war was to disrupt the middle east so a pipeline could not be built through Afganistan from Russia to China. Pakistan was the alternative route but we had them compliant with our goals until recently. But Bush et al screwed that up too. So we are pretty much assured now that Russia will have their pipeline to China via one or both of Afganistan and/or Pakinstan.
A note to the clueless reader, Iran and Iraq do not hold a candle to threat posed by Russia and China. Those are the REAL enemies!
The mountains seperating the middle east from China are huge. We know them as the highest peaks in the world. They are far higher than the rockies here in the US. It is extremely rugged country. There are only two passes by which a pipeline can transport oil into China. One pass is in the extreme east end of Afganistan. And the other is a high pass via Pakistan (the highest highway in the world which is now paved and plans now for the alternative Russia-China pipeline).
Because Russia has its own oil reserves, and because Bush caused the prices of oil to sky rocket, Putin was able to pay off their World War II debt a year ago. But people here in the US are too clueless to recognize what is really going on in the world.
With no more debt to pay off, Russia now has spending money.
And when they are selling oil at $130 a barrel (soon to be $200), you can bet they are becoming very wealthy.
And guess what they are spending it on???
MILITARY!!! You clueless dwebbs!
Bush et al empowered our own REAL phucking enemy!
Bush, Cheney, Rove, etc are clueless idiots that took us into a war without a plan, out of greed, out of hatred, etc. A complete lack of intellect, they just grit their teeth and went in swinging.
That is NOT how you win a game! Or a war!
I fill sorry for any woman that goes into a relationship with such poor examples of "men".
We go into Afganistan to build a pipe line in the 1980's and 1990's. We had agreements with Bin Luden. Yes, I kid you not. He was part of the politics involved. But when the corporate-millitary complex in the US did not get their way, they chose instead to force their way by manipulating their soverign government and resources of another nation.
And act of war by ANY nations standards.
So they struck back at us.
911.
And they had every right to do so given the bullshit and behavior of our US corpora-military complex. Corpro-politcial greed and pride begets war.
It was not a terrorist attack, they struck at the corporate military complex... the world trade center (aka, corporate military companies) and the pentagon. It was not a sports stadium. It wasn't a park or gathering of civilians of any kind. It was strategic targets of our corporate military complex. Rather than a nuclear bomb, I found it quite incredible they found a way to hit two specific targets without harming all the other building of civilians in the city!
They actually avoided massive civilian deaths that would have occured from a traditional bomb.
The word "terroism" is a lie. But you all bought into it like the sheeple you are.
It is simply a war. We struck at them. They struck back at us - and with an intellect that far exceeds those of our corpro-military complex. It was Tit for Tat.
But Bush et all goes into a temper tantrum and wages war with the entire middle east - a pretext to (again) manipulate ALL of their soverign governments and resources... and to keep a plan for a once US pipeline from becoming a Russian pipeline.
The goal is not to win the war, it is a continual effort of distruption to keep Russia and China from EVER hooking up together with China (aka, pipeline). We screwed up our opportunity by being greedy and now we are throwing a temper tantrum to keep anyone else from having a pipeline. Like a kid in the candy store when his mom takes his candy away, he turns to his sibling and steals his peace of candy for no reason than to bash in to pieces on the ground to vent his unethical anger and frustration.
Bush et al are spoiled little rich kids that are not getting their way. And now they are throwing their spoiled brat tantrums.
Why don't you all wake up to the realities.
And the worst part of it all is that their 'tantrum' has caused an massive rise in oil prices and empowered the economies of both Russia and China. Our very REAL enemies that can most definitely strike at us with tens of thousands of nuclear missles.
When their economies grow, AND THEY ARE GROWING, so do their respective military capabilities!!!
Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld, et al are such clueless F*cking idiots!
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| Current administration played into terrorist's hands
Posted: 5/28/2008 4:33:05 PM | Iran and Iraq do not hold a candle to threat posed by Russia and China
I couldn't agree more, and I'm sure their leaders are amused right along with the terrorists that our leaders are squandering our resources in Iraq.
the war in iraq is not a factor in oil prices, its china, and india, pushing prices up as they compete with the west for oil. next?
The war in Iraq is not a factor in anything other than making some choice people richer. | |
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| Current administration played into terrorist's hands
Posted: 5/28/2008 6:53:35 PM |
Iran and Iraq do not hold a candle to threat posed by Russia and China
oh you know they are just waiting till Bussh depletes all of the military resources and then the U.S. is toast ! It's Kind of like when you were a kid playing the game RISK and you knew that if you waited long enough for your opponent to get greedy and spend too much for one thing you could simply go in through the back and take them out! noone is defending the U.S. borders in fact they are wide open. The foreign policy that most Americans agree with has left you as sitting ducks with only your personal sshot guns and anger to defend yourselves. | |
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| Current administration played into terrorist's hands
Posted: 5/28/2008 7:03:56 PM | Bin Laden has been dead for awhile now, but his "ghost" will remain the "threat" that Bush will use to further propogandize this country on why we need to continue to fight over in Iraq..you are a wooley little sheep if you believe otherwise. | |
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| Current administration played into terrorist's hands
Posted: 5/28/2008 9:27:48 PM |
It's Kind of like when you were a kid playing the game RISK
I love thinking of this stuff in playground terms. Seriously, it makes sense as we are all just grown-ups now playing the same basic games only with real and higher stakes.
You are right on with post #14.
Even Bush said in his Air Force Academy address today, "part of this game is patience". He just doesn't realize he is losing. | |
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| Current administration played into terrorist's hands
Posted: 5/28/2008 10:04:55 PM |
Iran and Iraq do not hold a candle to threat posed by Russia and China. Those are the REAL enemies!
You want scary, Chinese and Russian military might don't scare me....
What scares me, even as a Canadian, is the Chinese economy. Their economy is growing at a retarded pace. They are amassing buying power like crazy, the middle class in China is booming. With any booming economy, what happens? Inflation does. China's inflation rate is VERY scary...
Why? Where are a large portion of the goods consumed in north america made? Look on the label and you will see Made in China on many of them. Why is that? CHEAP LABOUR. Corporations in North America shipped many of the manufacturing duties to China for this economic advantage in years gone by.
Here is the scary part this in years gone by, meant that money that would go to North American workers was shipped offshore to China. It didn't have a huge impact because the goods that came back were inexpensive due to labour costs. Soon this won't be the case. As China's economy inflates, those labour cost WILL increase. The goods will be more expensive coming back. Therefore, the consumer will now have a lose/lose situation.
By the way, you can thank North American, Japanese, and European corporate investors for the majority of "Chinese economic development". Get all you can out of a booming economy while the getting is good! The enemy is in our own countries, and we give them our money and support every day. They certainly don't give any back to us, not even a friendly reach around while we're bent over for them.
Add into that the current state of Canadian and American economies that are rapidly falling into recession, and you get an ugly picture. Not to mention the enormous amounts of money spent every DAY on the pointless "War on Terror" and "War on Drugs". Rather than putting it into North American economic development. Bush is trying to talk our moron of a conservative Prime Minister Stephen Harper into joining him on these "epic battles". He already talked him into Canadian Troops taking over active combat roles in Afghanistan... Le Sigh.... | |
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| Current administration played into terrorist's hands
Posted: 5/28/2008 10:18:22 PM |
the middle class in China is booming
Hence, our rising fuel costs.
For every U.S. citizen who can no longer afford to drive today, there are several Chinese citizens who became new car owners.
Thank you NAFTA. | |
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| Current administration played into terrorist's hands
Posted: 5/28/2008 10:48:08 PM | NAFTA??? how about a NAU? North American Union....Canmerco? Amcanex?Mexcanica?...well they all sound like great corporation names, so we shouldn't be too surprised when it happens huh?
Peace | |
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| Current administration played into terrorist's hands
Posted: 5/29/2008 4:25:24 AM | We have the power to at least slow the surge somewhat in our own, individual hands.
Stop buying cheap, chinese-made crap. Now. Today. Do not shop @ WalMart on your way home.
Minimize your consumption, prioritize your Needs & purchase high-quality products (they last longer, & are more cost effective in the long run) that are made in the US or Canada or UK. YOUR dollar spent is fueling China's boom.
Cut off the supply @ it's source. Shop Local. | |
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| Current administration played into terrorist's hands
Posted: 5/29/2008 5:16:52 AM | [We don't want them to restart the nuclear program we begged them to start in 1979.]
In the late 70's the Shah of Iran was offered the program,yes. The Shah was a staunch ally of the US. That offer was shelved when the Shah was toppled. Ford initially rejected the idea of giving Iran that capability but pressue from insiders, changed his mind.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A3983-2005Mar26.html | |
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| Current administration played into terrorist's hands
Posted: 5/29/2008 5:29:15 AM | [Even Bush said in his Air Force Academy address today, "part of this game is patience". He just doesn't realize he is losing. ]
I will never understand why losing seems to be more important than winning. I would much prefer winning and War is not a parlor game. Iraq is a central location in the middleeast. It is important to our own welfare that Iraq stabilizes and becomes an ally.
We are just a few years away from gaining that goal. Whether one agrees with that or not because of political opinions makes no difference in the neccessity.
If one thinks a change of Presidency or a congress,will bring a change of policy in the mid east, then one would be wrong. | |
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