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| What do you think of Former Press Secretary McClellan's book?
Posted: 5/28/2008 4:54:18 PM | The Bush administration has two choices in responding to claims made by former White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan in his tell-all, name-names book.
Of course they are claiming he is a disgruntled ex-employee who is disillusioned.
The other option is to fess up to what he claims. Don't think so.
I am looking forward to reading the book and believe it will contain alot of truth and some exaggeration.
Do you think he is full of BS? | |
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| What do you think of Former Press Secretary McClellan's book?
Posted: 5/28/2008 6:14:37 PM | Do you think he is full of BS?
Not at all. I think just about everybody has known about 90% of this for a very long time. McClellan's book just underscores what we already had figured out by other means. That this is the most corrupt, divisive, incompetent and self-serving administration in the history of this country. And it is an 8-year long festering blemish on the face of America that will take a very long time to heal.
With regard to the Valerie Plame-Wilson matter in particular, did anyone actually believe that the Shrub, Cheney, Libby or Karl Rove, had nothing to do with it? 
Please!! They don't do things like that, without any apparent reason, and hide them from each other.
As Simmah said. It should be required reading for everyone in America! This is how corrupt it can actually become, if our leaders aren't closely scrutinized.
-Suth'nBoy 
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| What do you think of Former Press Secretary McClellan's book?
Posted: 5/28/2008 6:21:04 PM |
I can't wait to see how this unfolds.
I can't wait either.
They claim to have treated Scott well throughout his resignation and afterwards as well. I would have treated him well too if he was holding potentially damaging secrets about me.
I'm glad to see someone with a conscience speaking out. | |
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| What do you think of Former Press Secretary McClellan's book?
Posted: 5/28/2008 6:41:20 PM | McClellan writes:
“The collapse of the administration’s rationales for war, which became apparent months after our invasion, should never have come as such a surprise. … In this case, the ‘liberal media’ didn’t live up to its reputation. If it had, the country would have been better served.”
we will eventually clean up after this administration, I have no doubt of that~
my biggest fear is that the media will hide in the shadow of McClellan's words and we, as a nation, will overlook how inept the media was in reporting pre war facts and that the media, will not be held, at least partly responsible, for bringing this nation to war- | |
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| What do you think of Former Press Secretary McClellan's book?
Posted: 5/28/2008 7:07:22 PM | | Any administration would provide enough dirt to write several books without covering the same topic twice. Bush just made it easier than most of the rest. I imagine it's probably pretty factual. Anyone that close will have no reason to lie as he certainly knew plenty of real stuff. | |
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| What do you think of Former Press Secretary McClellan's book?
Posted: 5/28/2008 7:25:53 PM | There's been a wealth of evidence, not just this book :
Those who have written books include former counterterrorism adviser Richard Clarke ("Against All Enemies" and the new "Your Government Failed You"), former Environmental Protection Agency chief and former New Jersey Gov. Christine Todd Whitman ("It's My Party, Too"), former economic adviser Lawrence B. Lindsey ("What a President Should Know") and L. Paul Bremer, former U.S. administrator in Iraq ("My Year in Iraq").
Other administration figures, notably former Chief of Staff Andrew Card and Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage, are believed to have been primary sources for books by such journalists as Bob Woodward ("State of Denial").
Most of these works have been fiercely critical of the president and his chief aides, especially Vice President****Cheney, former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and adviser Karl Rove. The books often describe Bush as detached and incurious, and they paint portraits of Cheney and Rumsfeld as champion infighters who steamroll dissent.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/28/bush.books/index.html
There's also one MUST read article from the neo con's:
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2006/12/neocons200612Neo Culpa
The biggest neo con names came out and squarely made Bush the patsy for their failures. It an amazing read, and offers a lot of insight on what's wrong inside this administration, and with the neo con movement itself. | |
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| What do you think of Former Press Secretary McClellan's book?
Posted: 5/28/2008 7:32:21 PM |
It's funny. They did immediately come out and say he must have a grudge
who in their right mind after working for the bush administration wouldn't have a grudge ?
Once bush is out of office he is going straight to jail along with everyone who conspired with him. Why do you think he bought that property in Paraguay? they have no extradition treaties in Paraguay. That's his final hide out. | |
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| What do you think of Former Press Secretary McClellan's book?
Posted: 5/28/2008 10:16:46 PM | Scott McClellan had an obligation, a responsibility to voice concerns on policy issues. McClellan never did that on any of the issues. For him to do this now is self-serving, disingenuous, and unprofessional. This is exactly the kind of stuff that you read on the blogs, and I've gone and checked out the Democratic blogs today. They're not particularly worked up about it because this is not new stuff. They've known this since 2000. They don't care about this.
There's nothing new in his book, it's just liberal talking points. How does a guy in the Bush administration who was the spokesman and ends up getting fired, end up writing a book that could have been written by MoveOn.org bloggers? Here's a quote from McClellan back when he was the White House spokesman. Richard Clarke came out, he quit the administration. He wrote some tell all book about how the Bush administration and Condoleezza Rice dropped the ball and 9/11 was basically their fault. Turned out he was in the Clinton administration.
But Bush sort of deserved it because they held the guy over from the Clinton administration.
McClellan, as press secretary, was asked about this, and he said: "Why all of a sudden, if he had all these grave concerns (Richard Clarke) did he not raise these sooner? This is one and a half years after he left the administration, and now all of a sudden he's raising these grave concerns that he claims he had. And I think you have to look at some of the facts. One, he's bringing this up in the heat of a presidential campaign. He has written a book. He certainly wants to go out there and promote that book. Let's look at the politics of it.
McClellan, too, has now written a book. He couldn't wait until the administration of his president was over. He had to inject his book into this presidential campaign. And he and his grave concerns, where were they all the time he was out there fronting for the administration? The motivation that he has for this is certainly what people are questioning.
There's a theory going around about Scott McClellan, Scott McClellan's book is making big waves in the last election for Texas governor. The Republican Texas comptroller, Carole Keeton Strayhorn, who used the slogan "One Tough Grandma" based on her cost saving reputation as comptroller, ran as an independent Republican, against the incumbent Governor Rick Perry. Rick Perry was Bush's lieutenant governor and he became governor when Bush moved to Washington. Carole Keeton Strayhorn started her campaign with a flurry, faded fast and got trounced in the election, receiving virtually no support from the GOP. Scott McClellan is Carole Keeton Strayhorn's son. It's payback. The book is payback from the family, for McClellan's mom being ignored in her campaign for governor of the state of Texas. | |
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| What do you think of Former Press Secretary McClellan's book?
Posted: 5/28/2008 10:44:08 PM | That makes a lotta sense. I checked the DU myself, and they don't seem to be foaming at the mouth over this like they normally would. Of course those are the people who will tell you how dumb Bush is and then a half second later tell you he's an evil genius that masterminded 9/11 
And some threads there, and here, demonstrate something you sorda touched on. No one is running against McCain, up until now, it's been Obama or Hillary vs. Bush, only now do we have people trying to convince us that they're the same. (which I'm not really gonna argue about, as I'm a fan of neither)
They absolute, unequivocal hatred of the man is laughable. If someone on the DU posts even the tiniest thing that Bush has done right, they'll get banned. I disagree with the absolute vast majority of what he's done, but to say he's done nothing right is kinda short sighted.
This book, which may be 100% true, is just more crap on the pile. | |
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| What do you think of Former Press Secretary McClellan's book?
Posted: 5/28/2008 11:04:19 PM | It's interesting to see how many keep rebuking former members of this adminstration who come out with books with damning evidence.
Will you still refuse to believe if Colin Powell comes out with a book? Or will he perhaps magically belong to some black liberation movement or whatever BS the "right" decides to spin.
The fact is... retired generals, intelligence officers and now the former press sect keep spewing out books that are critical to the Bush administration.
I think it's time you realized that a good portion of this adminstration belongs behind bars for so many crimes I don't even want to begin to list. | |
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| What do you think of Former Press Secretary McClellan's book?
Posted: 5/28/2008 11:08:35 PM | | I don't think anyone is saying we don't believe. I think most people are saying it's the same stuff we keep hearing over and over and over. As far as putting people behind bars, lets be intellectually honest and say that for probably every administration since FDR, and especially FDR's, many members of administrations, from the President on down need to be in Jail. | |
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| What do you think of Former Press Secretary McClellan's book?
Posted: 5/28/2008 11:15:08 PM | Hey greenway, nice plagarism.
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_052808/content/01125104.guest.html
Well I'm glad you think we should get our fact checking from Rush Limbaugh, hey pass me some oxycotin.
That makes a lotta sense. I checked the DU myself, and they don't seem to be foaming at the mouth over this like they normally would. Of course those are the people who will tell you how dumb Bush is and then a half second later tell you he's an evil genius that masterminded 9/11
Actually, I think you're getting the democrats mixed up with Ron Paul supporters. You know, the Republican? | |
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| What do you think of Former Press Secretary McClellan's book?
Posted: 5/29/2008 12:09:06 AM |
Greenway makes a very valid point. To do this after he was fired looks like a cash grab or as suggested a reiteration of liberal talking points. But I have to say that anyone who is critical of the administration is NOT a terrorist or a crank. This is patriotism at work, stop remembering Dubya's speech that basically said if you don't agree with us (you're wrong or a terrorist) HUH???? What is the slogan??? "Land of the Free" doesn't that extend to our opinions? Or have I violated the thinkspeak laws?
Peace
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| What do you think of Former Press Secretary McClellan's book?
Posted: 5/29/2008 1:06:06 AM | | That book will be at the discount section within the first week. From $25 something down to $2.99. If I didn't have the TV on the other night, I would have missed a ton of information that Greenway posted. Townsend on CNN made all those points and then some. So did Karl Rove when he was asked by Colmes on Fox News. McClellan always seem to be the type with squashed bananas in his underpants. Hannity made the same point about Scott McClellan mother. McClellan is another turncoat seeking to be liked by liberals. | |
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| What do you think of Former Press Secretary McClellan's book?
Posted: 5/29/2008 2:11:11 AM | I trust K1ngmaker will compliment me too. Like "nice copy and paste" and "fantastic plagiarism." Facts are still facts, especially from renowned non-liberal professionals.
Here we go.....
Several former Bush administration officials have written tell-all accounts. But none was as close to Bush or his inner circle as McClellan, 40, an amiable Texan known for his cautious demeanor. He started out in politics by managing several state election campaigns in the 1990s for his mother, who became Texas comptroller, and was recruited to the governor's mansion by Bush confidante Karen Hughes.
Ari Fleischer, the White House press secretary before McClellan took over in 2003, said he first met McClellan in 1999 when the two worked on Bush's presidential campaign.
"That's one of the reasons this book comes as such a shock," Fleischer said. "It comes from the last person that anyone would have thought would have said these things or written these things. ... All you can do is scratch your head when you see how far he's turned."
Martha Kumar, a Towson University expert on presidential communications, said she could not recall a previous White House press secretary making such policy-based criticisms of a president.
"Generally, there is a tacit understanding that when you leave you don't make a lot of waves," she said.
Kumar said one thing is clear: "He has burned a lot of bridges, ones that he has used through his lifetime."
To that end, several former Bush aides took to the airwaves Wednesday to blast McClellan and his book. "For him to do this now strikes me as self-serving, disingenuous and unprofessional," Fran Townsend, former head of the White House's counterterrorism office, told CNN.
Former top Bush aide Karl Rove compared McClellan to a "left-wing blogger."
"If he had these moral qualms," Rove told Fox News Channel, "he should have spoken up about them."
Two former Bush aides who preceded McClellan in criticizing the president offered support. Richard Clarke, a former counterterrorism adviser and former Clinton aide published a 2004 book critical of the administration, told CNN he received the same treatment from former associates.
"I can show you the tire tracks," he said. (Ironically, as press secretary, McClellan targeted Clarke: "Why, all of a sudden, if he had all these grave concerns, did he not raise these sooner?" McClellan said then.)
McClellan is scheduled to appear this morning on NBC-TV's "Today" program. He also will be a guest on National Public Radio's "Morning Edition" and liberal commentator Keith Olbermann's "Countdown" show on MSNBC this week, to be followed by a book tour starting next Wednesday in New York.
Yikes...the liberal are already in love with Scott, but they will have a leprosy tone with him since he is indeed, a "Turncoat" pleasing his mommy. She is defending him. Furthermore, she says it's for the future her son turned rat. | |
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| What do you think of Former Press Secretary McClellan's book?
Posted: 5/29/2008 2:23:55 AM | Let's be fair shall we?
McClellan is not only getting negative press such as Karl Rove's ludicrous commentary. Was that really a surprise? And of course Ari Fleicher has been very hard on him too, even though he maintains that he is still "a good friend". Yeah Right! Are we also itching to hear what D i c k Cheney thinks of it?  Or even Bush himself?
McClellan has also gotten substantial praise for a lot of guts. People don't tend to like whistle-blowers by nature. But the truth is, we're much better off because some have the fortitude to come forward and actually tell the truth about very messy situations.
I admire both Scott McClellan and Richard Clarke for doing just that. .
-Suth'nBoy
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| What do you think of Former Press Secretary McClellan's book?
Posted: 5/29/2008 2:43:40 AM |
I trust K1ngmaker will compliment me too. Like "nice copy and paste" and "fantastic plagiarism." Facts are still facts, especially from renowned non-liberal professionals.
No you see, you're not attempting to portray your statement as your own. As for non-liberal professionals, I hardly think Ruch Limbaugh (which his post was plagiarized from) would be considered a professional in this field.
So now lets break down your post shall we?
Several former Bush administration officials have written tell-all accounts. But none was as close to Bush or his inner circle as McClellan, 40, an amiable Texan known for his cautious demeanor. He started out in politics by managing several state election campaigns in the 1990s for his mother, who became Texas comptroller, and was recruited to the governor's mansion by Bush confidante Karen Hughes.
Ok, nothing substantial so far.
Ari Fleischer, the White House press secretary before McClellan took over in 2003, said he first met McClellan in 1999 when the two worked on Bush's presidential campaign.
Oh so they both worked on the campaign, sounds like McClellan obviously disliked bush. (not really)
"That's one of the reasons this book comes as such a shock," Fleischer said. "It comes from the last person that anyone would have thought would have said these things or written these things. ... All you can do is scratch your head when you see how far he's turned."
Fleischer not having a conscience reacts with bafflement that somebody has a crisis of conscience. No surprise there. (also no "renowned professional here")
Martha Kumar, a Towson University expert on presidential communications, said she could not recall a previous White House press secretary making such policy-based criticisms of a president.
So it hasn't happened before. Then again, I guess we have never had a President who is quite like the current one, this isn't a statement that McClellan is WRONG
"Generally, there is a tacit understanding that when you leave you don't make a lot of waves," she said.
Kumar said one thing is clear: "He has burned a lot of bridges, ones that he has used through his lifetime."
His bridges to burn, also it says nothing about his factual accuracy.
To that end, several former Bush aides took to the airwaves Wednesday to blast McClellan and his book. "For him to do this now strikes me as self-serving, disingenuous and unprofessional," Fran Townsend, former head of the White House's counterterrorism office, told CNN.
I'd probably feel the same way if a former co worker was telling people of my misdeeds.
Former top Bush aide Karl Rove compared McClellan to a "left-wing blogger."
You have to love Karl Rove, ass kisser for fox news. Tell me why not a right wing blogger? Perhaps because McClellan failed to use a racial slur in his book?
"If he had these moral qualms," Rove told Fox News Channel, "he should have spoken up about them."
Rove is of course speakin as somebody who has not had a moral qualm his entire life. Hey, outed any CIA agents lately? On a more serious note, is this your renowned professional? Renowned for lying and being a Republican scum bag. Which hardly qualifies him as a critic of ANYBODY's moral behavior.
Two former Bush aides who preceded McClellan in criticizing the president offered support. Richard Clarke, a former counterterrorism adviser and former Clinton aide published a 2004 book critical of the administration, told CNN he received the same treatment from former associates.
"I can show you the tire tracks," he said. (Ironically, as press secretary, McClellan targeted Clarke: "Why, all of a sudden, if he had all these grave concerns, did he not raise these sooner?" McClellan said then.)
Amusing, Clark is stating that Republicans have a tendency to attack whistleblowers. A statement confirmed by this thread no?
McClellan is scheduled to appear this morning on NBC-TV's "Today" program. He also will be a guest on National Public Radio's "Morning Edition" and liberal commentator Keith Olbermann's "Countdown" show on MSNBC this week, to be followed by a book tour starting next Wednesday in New York.
Yikes...the liberal are already in love with Scott, but they will have a leprosy tone with him since he is indeed, a "Turncoat" pleasing his mommy. She is defending him. Furthermore, she says it's for the future her son turned rat.
McClellan is scheduled to appear this morning on NBC-TV's "Today" program. He also will be a guest on National Public Radio's "Morning Edition" and liberal commentator Keith Olbermann's "Countdown" show on MSNBC this week, to be followed by a book tour starting next Wednesday in New York.
I'm sure they'll be having him on that fair and balanced news network fox. After all, they managed to find a spot for Rove after he left the administration. No wait, they only do that for people implicated in multiple scandals.
Yikes...the liberal are already in love with Scott, but they will have a leprosy tone with him since he is indeed, a "Turncoat" pleasing his mommy.
A leprosy tone? Man what?
She is defending him. Furthermore, she says it's for the future her son turned rat.
Interesting, the term "rat" is usually used by people who are guilty of a crime, attempting to disparage those who have told on them. | |
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| What do you think of Former Press Secretary McClellan's book?
Posted: 5/29/2008 3:29:20 AM | Of course Rove and the people still there want to gasp in amazement at the audacity. They want you to think this man is off his rocker , that there must be some reason....some motivation for him to have strayed so far off the Bush course. Personally I think it's a little thing called conscience.
McClellan is going to be on (dun-dun-dunnnnn) Keith Olbermann tonight at 8pm. It will be interesting to see in his own words what the motivation is. | |
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