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| The subconcious mind
Posted: 5/30/2008 2:36:35 PM | This might seem obvious but there's serious research into just how much the subconcious mind is in charge versus the concious mind. Obviously, when you think of your day to day actions, you realize that the subconcious causes us to react to situations more than we can be conciously aware of.
So it leaves the question. Who's really in the driver's seat of ourselves? I've always viewed the unconcious mind as a bit more "mid brain" so more primitive. Would you consider that a fair analysis of our unconcious. And how much of the unconcious mind can be held responsible for things we consider "supernatural" like psychic experiences like premonitions and ghostly encounters? | |
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Posted: 5/30/2008 3:02:48 PM | I view my conscious mind as just the regulator of information flow.
Having only the option of choking pathways of information or not.
Pathways being from sensory input, abstract flow, logical flow, stuff like that.
The labeling of information's value, and the stream of thought patterns sent to it seem to be controlled behind the scenes, by tiny little calculators.
My only conscious option seems to be to ignore or focus on paths of information in order to sway the direction of my mind's state.
I can't think of doing something if thought patterns don't allow it to. And for something to have place in my thought patterns the information must already be in storage and is being sent to my mind for some reason over everything else that's in there.
If that's the way it worked, then it would explain why when we forget something, that we know is stored in our brain, it can take a long time playing with various thought patterns in order to recall that information. And they say the best way to remember something, is to let go and let your subconscious do it's thing. | |
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Posted: 6/1/2008 3:14:19 PM | Did you know that human communication consists of:
55% body Language
38% Voice tonality
7% words
of which most of it is processed sub-consciously. ...So how does the brain process and deal with all these artfully vague forms of language?
Well the front part of the brain, the cerebrum, is divided in to two parts or hemispheres, also information passes between them through connecting tissue called the Corpus Callosum.
Experiments which measure activity in both hemispheres for different tasks have shown they have different but complementery functions. The left hemisphere is commonly known as the dominant and deals with language. it prosesses information in an analytical, rational way. The right side, known a the non- dominant, deals with information in amore holistic and intuitive way. It also processes melody , visualization and vocal tones of voice... thats how you feel someones mood!
it deals with the context of the message, rather than the verbal content....simple messages that are given some special emphasis...such messages will bypass the dominate and go straight to the non -dom. Sometimes this will be to the immediate conscious awareness...other times not...emotions moods and feeling are all controlled from sub-conscious!
Interestingly the Corpus Callosum in women is better connected( basiclly USB2...as appossed to mens USB1) so they are consciously better connected to their Emotions!!! Good God guys; This is all making sense now!? | |
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Posted: 6/1/2008 3:20:54 PM | cingray3, I have also read about the Corpus Callosum and it's differing characteristics between men and women.
What you said makes total sense to me!
Although I haven't paid much attention to what triggered it, every once in a while I feel an enjoyable surge along that area of my brain. I think perhaps how I was thinking at the time, was actually exercising it.
Or perhaps I was simply overloading it, and it was screaming for me to stop. 
Out of curiousity, next time I laugh I should pay attention to see if I can feel activity in that area of the brain. Usually humour is when we can use a mixture of logical and abstract relationships to make sense of the absurd, and I wonder if that's a result of both hemispheres working together. | |
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Posted: 6/1/2008 4:26:32 PM | Wel Vancer,
I think I know what you are getting at...If you do not already practice it, and I think the world is waking up to its benefits...Meditation.
Now what this does ( so Iam lead to believe) is it creates better communication between the hemispheres which has health and wellbeing benefits amongst others! Vancer I am no an authority on the subject. there are many sources and if you are really interested I can pass you on to a friend who is polished and a practising fine example. ( I swear he looks younger every time I see him)
Remember to send message direct or we could be in trouble! | |
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| The subconscious mind
Posted: 6/1/2008 5:18:45 PM | I think of my subconscious as a parent. We were 8 kids growing up and mom worked. The older ones had varying degrees of authority and when the younger ones had a gripe, we'd take it to the highest authority. But mom was a very busy person and didn't have time to ponder the "fairness?" of a decision. A decision was often made off the cuff and with a wave of her hand, and there was no negotiating with her. As we grew, we were handed more rope and allowed to make up our own mind and decide differently.
My subconscious makes decision, and I can overrule it. While it doesn't take much time analysing, it's really freaking smart because it notices every little itsy bitsy thing, includes it in the analysis, and makes a decision. I'm fed the "decision", and I act according to what I think is best. I think this ties into what we perceive as the supernatural. Clarevoiance for example, is our subconscious analysing all available input, and while it's not critical and therefore not in the forefront of our mind, it can trigger the spidey senses when danger has an opportunity to surface. Is this a gut feeling?
I also believe that the more you can consciously connect with your subconscious, the better decisions you make. Soft skills are what cops call it. The ability to read people. I imagine top athletes, with the magical ability to be at the right place at the right time is a good example of it. Does this apply to clarevoiance, business, law, and more? I think so. | |
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Posted: 7/14/2008 2:07:54 AM | | Vancer, your approach and views on cognition keep jumping out to me as being very similar to mine. A friend of mine with a very poor sense of direction moved to a new city and has a bit of a fear of getting lost, so she made a real effort to build a mental representation of all the areas she was learning about in that city, similar to how my mental map of my city works. After about a year, she's a badass on directions and locations in her new city, and is noticing something happening in her brain as it happened. When she described it to me recently, my response was, "welcome to your hippocampus!". | |
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Posted: 7/14/2008 10:28:31 PM | | We are puppets being made to act by forces we will never know. Yes, even at this moment some unseen god has his hand up to the elbow up your backside. | |
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| The subconcious mind
Posted: 7/14/2008 10:54:39 PM | Hmmm, It seems like the question is chosing between the conscious and subconscious, as to which is more in control???
As a hypnotherapist, I'm pretty good at thinking about these things.
It really depends on what the situation is, and what you consider "control" to be.
The conscious mind is the critical, rational, logical mind. It makes a lot of decisions, many based on desires, fears, habits, judgements... The subconscious works in imagination, imagry, intuition... It too influences choice, but probably in more subtle ways.
Though the two aspects of "mind" are compared and separated, in reality they are not.
So it may appear that a decision was made subconsciously, the perpetuation of that decision has to on some level be a conscious one as well.
Various states of mind are at constant flux, such as everything else in nature.  | |
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| The subconcious mind
Posted: 7/15/2008 6:51:11 AM | A long time ago, I once asked myself: How hard would it be if I walked, consciously? How hard would it be if I instructed each and every muscle to perform the process of walking using my conscious mind, rather than my subconscious?
So I looked at my body, and tried to do it. Needless to say, I fell over. I quickly realised that our muscles, which are composed of fibres that can only contract and relax, are much like ropes and wires, that can only be pulled or released. Once I realised that, I tried to work out just how I could move my muscles to walk. I realised that I'd have to move several groups of muscles all at the same time, balancing each other, or I'd lose my balance. I also realised that each muscle was too big to control my legs correctly. So several groups of fibres within the muscles would have to move individually. Pretty soon, I realised it would be like being in charge of a control room, with thousands of levers, each of which would control a single group of wires in a robot, and I'd have to move lots of them all at the same time, all keeping them perfectly in balance.
I am pretty good with doing 5 things at once. I just don't think that I could control thousands of levers all at the same time and keep everything balanced enough not to fall over. I doubt I could get such a robot to crawl, let alone walk. I couldn't even imagine how brilliant I'd have to be to make one run.
Our brains do this all the time, and this process of walking is among the simplest of our bodily functions, from what I can see. It's certainly far less complex than processing images and separating the colours and shades to work out what the objects are in a picture. Yet our subconscious does that automatically. I doubt that I could work out speech patterns from an alien. Yet our brains process everyone's speech all the time, even new voices.
It's unbelievable just how many of these incredibly complex tasks our subconscious does all the time.
That's why I think our subconscious is like an expert tennis player who's coaching kids. He always encourages the kids, and the kids think they are brilliant at tennis. He plays down to their level, and lets them think they are much better than him, because it encourages them to do better. But if they ever see him play professionally, they quickly realise that he could beat them every time, no matter how good they think they are.
Our subconscious LETS us think we're smart. WE are smart. Genius smart. Just it's the subconscious that is the real smart bit. | |
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Posted: 7/15/2008 12:45:04 PM |
Well the front part of the brain, the cerebrum
That is an incorrect statement. The front part of the brain is the frontal lobe. Viewed from the top, the lateralized cerebrum spans from the front (frontal lobe) to the back (occipital lobe) of the brain.
The left hemisphere is commonly known as the dominant
Incorrect. That is a myth. There is no "dominant side". Current research shows that lateralization is distributed across both sides. However, there is evidence of certain functions being carried out specifically in the left and specifically in the right. But to say that a person is "right brain" or "left brain" is junk science. Mind Myths: Exploring Popular Assumptions About the Mind and Brain. Sala (1999). Gazzaniga. (2003).
For example, that the left hemisphere is dominant and the determinant of logic and the right hemisphere is essential for imagination and creativity is unproven. In fact, logic is more impaired with right-hemisphere damage while creativity is not affected at all.
Brain and Cognition, (2008). Speck, Ernst, Braun, Koch, Miller, Chang
It also processes melody , visualization and vocal tones of voice... thats how you feel someones mood!
Incorrect. Amygula is grand central for social and primal emotions and gets it's data from prefrontal cortex, brainstem, hypothalamus, sensory cortex, and thalamus.
Sometimes this will be to the immediate conscious awareness...other times not...emotions moods
Incorrect. Emotions are not the compliment of conscious awareness. That's just silly.
Interestingly the Corpus Callosum in women is better connected( basiclly USB2...as appossed to mens USB1) so they are consciously better connected to their Emotions!!!
Wrong again. Looks like your batting zero. Your myths are amusing.
1. SPECT images during visuospatial tasks showed no significant gender-specific difference in solving the visuospatial tasks. Nobody is "better connected". That's laughable. Neuropsychobiology 2000. Unterrainera, Wraneka, Staffenb, Gruberb, Ladurnerb.
2. Meta-analysis of 49 studies published since 1980 reveals no significant sex difference in the size or shape of the splenium of the corpus callosum. The myth that women have a larger splenium than men and consequently think differently is unproven.
3. Recent studies using new MRI have found no differences in the size of the corpus callosum in men and women other than random individual differences. Bishop, Wahlsten, (2002). Sex Differences in the human corpus callosum: myth or reality?
4. Again, the Amygula controls emotions and gets input from prefrontal cortex, brainstem, hypothalamus, sensory cortex, and thalamus. Corpus callosum has little influence. The Frontal Lobes turn emotions and and off or moderates them. And guess what? Based on Amygula research females are socio-emotional geniuses compared to males. R. Joseph, (2006). Clinical Neuroscience.
Your claims are outdated and exaggerated which reads a lot like the 1970's lateralization studies falsely interpreted by Time and Newsweek magazines.
Maybe "Pinky and the Brain" says it's true but it's not. And "cherry-picking" assertions from dubious unscientific, myth based, pop psychology is the worst.
Finally, many on this thread interchange "autonomic", "preconscious" and "subconscious" processes as if they all have the same meaning. They are separate, distinct processes. | |
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Posted: 7/15/2008 3:02:07 PM | Really now Mr. Nosey ~ that's quite enough -
It is a wonderful thing to share your knowledge, it is even more wonderful to do so in a way that uplifts those with whom you share.
Thank you for straightening up the misinformation, but remember my dear this is a dating site and one wouldn't want to seem unsightly in the eyes of potential suitors.
Good luck trolling. | |
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Posted: 7/15/2008 3:10:04 PM | | Your opinion means less than the floor I walk on. And remember that flaming is a violation of forums rules. | |
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Posted: 7/15/2008 4:11:21 PM |
Your opinion means less than the floor I walk on. And remember that flaming is a violation of forums rules.
Hmmm so much for flirting, men can be sooo sensitive. | |
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Posted: 7/15/2008 5:55:00 PM | Consciousness is the awareness of the difference between one's own motivation and that which is aquired behavior. Consciousness is experienced as the incessant flow of sensations, images, thoughts, feelings, desires and impulses, which the individual can observe, analyze and judge. Your prefontal lobe is your "diver's seat".
I researched this fully for my MA Thesis titled The Evolution of Consciousness and the Similarities in the Mental Content of Children, Dreamers, and Schizophrenics. | |
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Posted: 7/15/2008 6:44:06 PM | Hey, Forums are just for that! spewing conscious opinions!!!
I think it's hilarious! | |
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| The subconcious mind
Posted: 7/15/2008 8:12:29 PM | | Well to me the "subconcious" actions that people experience are just basically past learned behaviors. I believe that any seemingly "unconcious" behavior can be explained behaviorally, and/or biologically. | |
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Posted: 7/16/2008 12:27:38 AM | | trolling along the forum, happily reading , till this section, it make me feel so stupid that I don't have subconcious mind, or might be I do, I just know it gave me a head ache, but it educated me, good job . | |
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Posted: 7/16/2008 1:30:58 PM | The OP raises a very valid question of "Who's really in the driver's seat of ourselves?" when he references the the unconscious mind. Factually speaking, we often make decisions based upon mental processes which are hidden from our view.
Any knowledge i site here will be from the book, "Strangers to Ourselves - Discovering the Adaptive Unconscious" by Timothy D. Wilson.
"...the modern view of the adaptive unconscious is that a lot of interesting stuff about the human mind - judgments, feelings, motives - occur outside of awareness for reasons of efficiency, and not because of repression." "The mind operates most efficiently by relegating a good deal of high-level, sophisticated thinking to the unconscious. "... The adaptive unconscious does an excellent job of sizing up the world, warning people of danger, setting goals and initiating action in a sophisticated and efficient manner." "Implicit learning is one of the most important functions of the adaptive unconscious. Again, let us not oversimplify. The precise nature of implicit learning and its relationship to explicit processing is a topic of much debate and research. Nonetheless, it is clear that the adaptive unconscious is capable of learning complex information, and indeed, under some circumstances it learns information better and faster than our conscious minds."
What i have quoted comes from the opening chapters of the book. The author has assembled a good deal of information on the topic and it all makes for a very decent read on how the adaptive unconscious works with our conscious mind to give us an evolutionary edge in the world. And while never directly answering the question of 'who is in charge of ourselves', he provides an understanding of how the many modules of the unconscious effect human behavior.
Finally, as an aside, i hope that NoseyNeighbor was not dissing Dr. Steven Pinker in his off-hand remark about 'pinky and the brain'. I have read more than a few of your comments on these threads and you are undoubtedly one of the smartest people on here. Your use of scientific knowledge to qualify your statements/arguements is without equal. But in all seriousness, you are nowhere near the level of Steven Pinker in terms of thought or peer recognition. | |
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Posted: 7/16/2008 1:50:30 PM | Pinky and the Brain are cartoon characters who have starred in the American animated television series by Steven Spielberg. Pinky and the Brain first appeared in 1993 as a recurring segment on the show Animaniacs. From 1995 to 1998, Pinky and the Brain were spun-off into their own Emmy-award-winning show.
I find your illusory correlation amusing. A thinly veiled straw-man argument with zero merit. | |
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Posted: 7/17/2008 2:54:51 PM | | My mistake and my apology. I have never heard of Pinky and the Brain. I was defending a scientist whom i incorrectly thought you were trivializing. | |
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Posted: 7/17/2008 10:25:59 PM |
Finally, many on this thread interchange "autonomic", "preconscious" and "subconscious" processes as if they all have the same meaning. They are separate, distinct processes.
I'll admit ignorance here and ask for your definition of preconscious and subconscious, as I've been trying to work that out for myself off and on lately. My understanding was that subconscious was more of a freudian concept, rather than a real "process" as you indicate here. | |
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Posted: 7/18/2008 3:34:53 AM | | NoseyNeighbor, nicely done!! ha ha. In one way it was a bit mean and unnecessary but on the other hand it really pisses me off how ppl on these forums talk crap and pretend they know what they're talking about ha ha...I mean if people don't know, they just shouldn't pretend to, that's all :). Mind you, like someone else said, it is a dating sight...mmm, I’m not sure what I think of what you did…still, I enjoyed reading it! | |
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Posted: 7/18/2008 7:27:26 AM | I think the subconcious mind has more power than the concious mind. I mean theres a lot of things where I reacted in ways that conciously im far too level headed to react that way. For many years i've come to realize that theres just three aspects to a person. The emotional side which if you don't know how to deal with your emotions well can lead to problems. The logical analytical side which I feel im more at home with. Then the subconcious which can prod the emotional side into feeling different ways about certain things.
A big part of anything is the subconcious mind but it seems at least in my opinion a part of the mind thats very difficult to reprogram. I've never found it easy to change my subconcious perspective on certain things and I can tell when my concious mind and subconcious are at odds with each other. | |
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Posted: 7/18/2008 7:46:11 AM | What im curious about is how do you properly program the subconcious when you see that sometimes it makes you react in ways that might not help your personal ambitions and intentions.
I find that affirmations are not as effective as people claim they are. | |
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