| Native American Spirituality[Thread Closed]
Posted: 5/30/2008 6:23:57 PM | | I am looking for anyone who is in touch with their Native American blood line. I discovered mine years ago --in a moment of great respect. I found out that my spiritual abilities apparently came from my great-grandmother who was a medicine woman during a very trying time period in my life. | |
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Posted: 7/2/2008 9:49:52 PM | | I am in touch with mine, though i must admit that i have not practiced very much in the past ten years. Being worldly with the army kinda does that. What is it that you are looking to learn about, or find out about? | |
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Posted: 7/2/2008 11:45:37 PM | I'm sorry I don't understand exactly what in touch with your NA blood lines means.
Thanks
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Posted: 7/3/2008 12:26:05 PM | | Isnt it part of the American guilt trip. By which I mean realising that a complex culture of individual nations got more or less wiped out, de-homed and reduced to grubbing for handouts. Being in touch with your bloodlines means saying 'Its ok they didnt die out they are a part of us, so everyrthing is ok.' | |
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Posted: 7/3/2008 2:19:46 PM | TB: I don't know what it means to others, but to me (not as a Native American, as a human being) it means that I want to know my geneological history. I want to know what my ancestors were about. I want to know diversitites, personality traits, lifestyles, etc. I don't know what anyone else thinks it means, seems to be rather subjective! JMO  | |
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Posted: 7/3/2008 3:09:48 PM | Thank you verygreeneyez,
In part that did seem to be the question, still there seemed to be more implied by the OP.
Having a NA Great-grandfather who was never a part of my Mother's life, I had a great desire to explore that aspect of my bloodline.
Having little information in the beginning, it was a difficult quest for many years. Determined to know about this man, I persisted in searching, becoming a more than average amateur genealogist in the process.
I finally opened a door and information began to flow in my direction, almost in a flood. It was so exciting, at the same time very sad. I have learned heartbreaking things about my family.
To my amazement I did find one living family member, a very old Uncle in Ga. He has given me many family pictures and some history, which are real treasures to me.
It was also a joy to him,he believed the family line would end with his death and there would no one to remember.We both cried the first time I called him.
For them, the NA spirituality seemed to have been lost somehow, maybe as a part of their effort to survive in an anglo world. Heartbreaking,,
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Posted: 7/3/2008 3:55:30 PM | ^^^^I know exactly where you are coming from. I've been on a quest of sorts for a very long time and many doors have been slammed in my face (maternally speaking that is.) Fortunately, paternally I have one ally who believes I have a right and a priviledge to know my gene-pool. It's been frustrating and timeless at times, with few rewards on this end, sadly (as you state.) As for the Native American side, I've learned a great deal due to the Mormon side of my family tree and their travels to new territories with NAs guiding them. I haven't been able to link to anyone living as of yet, but I'm still plinking along the path to whatever enlightment may be at the end of the proverbial tunnel. Good luck to you ~ I hope you find what you are looking for! 
~OT~ Now I'm going on another quest I think. I need information on the spiritual side of this topic. Any help you knowledgable parties have, drop in and share it with me. What good is knowledge if we can't pass it along?? Happy 4th All! | |
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Posted: 7/3/2008 4:33:06 PM | Well, here goes:
My mother was dying of pancreatic cancer many years ago. I flew out of state with my native fetish tools, and a smudge stick. I cut some of her hair off in the hospital and went outside in the trees with my uncle and smudged her hair. I called in my great-grandmother who was a healer to either kill her or cure her. This was at 7:30 am in the morning.
When the doctors opened her up the tumor was gone. She lived another 20 years. They could not explain what happened.
My life has this interesting pattern to it along moments like this. I attribute it to my 1/2 pint of Cherokee blood. | |
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Posted: 7/3/2008 7:23:50 PM | Im native and i dont even know my own language. I was never taught it. French is being taught i can assume here in Canda because they are the ones who stole the land. I guess it would be weird to go to China and learn French instead of Chinese huh ? Im here in North America and all i can really say is no one seems to give a crap about my culture. There are a select few but majority does not care. Most of them think it has always been this way.
I dance for my culture as well as sing the songs but its funny how i do not understand the words that i sing. We are spiritual people. We accepted them and welcomed them with open arms and then got the knife in the back. You see biological warfare was done here with us. By giving us the blankets filled with disease. Killed of Millions of my people. Where is our month or our week or anyhing to acknowledge the people who once lived in harmony with the land instead of the havoc we live in today.
I myself am not bitter for things happen for a reason. All i can say is picture going to China and not seeing anyone who is Chinese. If you do at all they are on the streets begging for a living or dying of some kind of disease like diabetes. Not all of us i can truly say. There are alot who work and are DR, Lawyers. Business owners etc....SO i will not generalize my own people. As well as not all of us are drunks
As for us being Spiritual/ We are and for most of us its part of our life. We really did not worship A GOD but gave our prayers to the TRees, wind, water, and thanks to the sun for the life and foods we eat and air we breath each day. We were grateful. That is our worship and still is to this day in our ceremonies.
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Posted: 7/4/2008 12:46:23 AM | | Christianity polluted my cree bloodlines. I don't care, i'm into lucifer now, i only hope my people disregard the white christ and find their own own way back to their True Faith. | |
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Posted: 7/4/2008 4:56:51 AM | Just curious, but why is it that there appears to be two types posting on this thread. One claiming NA origins but claiming Caucasian (European), ethnicity and appearing so physically, the other claiming NA origins but claiming mixed or outright NA ethnicity and physically appearing so?
It’s just a little confusing as NA’s are of East Asian (Mongoloid), origins and that is evident by their Asian DNA, physical appearance and close proximity of beliefs etc. Those features are physically identifiable in those that claim outright NA or mixed ethnicity but not even lukewarm in those that claim Caucasian (European), ethnicity as well as NA origins.
Don’t want to appear to be “picky” or anything like that, just that it’s confusing to account for the claims against the pics in profiles of some. Not looking for a fight, just asking for information that’s all.
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Posted: 7/4/2008 9:04:17 AM | Dear Aussie,
Thanks for your inquiry. On the North, Meso, South American Continents there are a lot of mix race people with Indian bloodlines. My side of the family with the Indian blood is from Mississippi in the southern part of the US. Elvis Presley is probably the most famous mix blood person in the US history to be of mixed blood even through the general public doesn't know about it. It's not that important but the diehard fans probably know of this about him.
The French in Canada intermarried with the Indian tribes and the Spanish in Mexico with the tribes there also.
We have both European blood and African blooded folks who are part Indian. There are probably very few of the pure blood's left in the US. The Indians tribal folks that I know speak of an open-minded attitude towards intermarriage of the races, anb that fact probably promoted the mingling of the races.
In the US certain tribes interbred with the Europeans more frequently than others. Settlers often took an Indian "Squaws" as their wives. This actually started over 1000 years ago when the Nordics and other folks actually landed on the east coasts before Columbus did in the 1400's. | |
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Posted: 7/4/2008 9:14:07 AM | Phobus & Texasbaby:
I feel your pain. It was hard for me growing up white not knowing why I had certain talents that were not recognized by my parents. If I had grown up in a tribal why the course of my life would have been very different.
That being said, I feel your pain for the alcoholism, diabetes, and colon cancer that has taken the lives away from people that I know and family members.
The only way to deal with this is to keep one foot in nature just to feel normal. My first memories are seeing nature spirits and that just didn't work in the white world and "Jesus" training.
Economic power and the education to back it up keeps native folks in a position of power. Here in the US a lot of our tribes are billionaires now with the casino activities on their tribal lands. I think this is all tax free and because their land is a "sovereign". However, I haven't heard that they area sharing the wealth with their poorer brethren.
Hey, I'm glad I started this thread! | |
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Nergal
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Posted: 7/4/2008 11:21:33 AM | Chiny,
As to your question.. I can only speak for myself regarding my "claim" . I have caucasion listed on my profile, because I was raised in a white middle class family ~ as a white person. .
I have a NA Great-grandfather, but I also have one who was a Scot, another was Irish and so on. I am a person of mixed blood ~ not uncommon in the southwestern part of the US ~ I identify with the culture in which I was raised, it was the only one I knew until I was almost an adult.
That said, I can go to the rolls and see the names of my Great-greatgrandmother and her Father. Do I regret not knowing that side of my family, learning about that culture as a child? Of course I do, it is a great loss to myself and my family.
As to the pictures we have posted,, genes are amazing aren't they? But, if you look more closely you may see what you missed at first glance.
May the warm winds of Heaven blow softly on your home,
And the Great Spirit bless all who enter there.
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Posted: 7/4/2008 11:08:58 PM | | Iam a small part of cherokee on my dad's side of the family that proberly is why iam so much in to native american stuff my home has nothing but dream catcher's and wolve pic ect .But whats realy interesting is a pow wow i been to seval in my time the beats on the drums the singing and the danching around hudge camp fire's realy amazing stuf | |
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Posted: 7/4/2008 11:12:03 PM |
This actually started over 1000 years ago when the Nordics and other folks actually landed on the east coasts before Columbus did in the 1400's.
How strange. The Nordic people that you refer to were actually the descendants of Saxon (German), peoples from the south that invaded Scandinavia sometime in the distant past. The original Nordic people, the Sami people, were forced further north by those invasions and it may be coincidental, but the Sami people bare a striking resemblance to the Native American people even down to their "tepee" homes.
Heres a link to a photo of the Aboriginals of Scandinavia standing by their tepee home.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Saami_Family_1900.jpg
Strange, coincidental or? Whats your thoughts? And isn't that baby cradle that the woman is holding onto a "papus thingy" (not sure of the spelling)? | |
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Posted: 7/5/2008 12:31:28 AM | Considering my NA blood is so thin, the closest I've come is browsing spirit totems on the web.
I mean look at me. I am pale as a ghost and can even grow a little facial hair.  | |
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Posted: 7/5/2008 9:24:02 AM | Chiny--
They were probably Norwegians--Leif Erickson, etc., that landed in what is now Nova Scotia and down to Massachusetts and Rhode Island as we have stone ruins from their settlements and runic stone tables. They had to be sea faring people with ships that could transverse the Atlantic.
A good book but out of print, I think, was by Barry Fells, a linquist, called "America BC". There are websites that keep his theories of European and Iberian settlements here 1000 of years ago.
Anyway, all of this happened a long time before the actual settlement (or invasion if you will) of Euro settlers 400+ years ago. | |
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Posted: 7/5/2008 9:51:05 AM |
They were probably Norwegians--Leif Erickson, etc
Yes, yes understood and not questioned.
But don't you find the Sami People whom are the original Norwegians, Swedes and Fins the least bit interesting? I mean in their similarity to the Native American People. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the NA's are a result of Sami migrations west as its known that the NA's are a result of eastern migrations from Asia. Do you not see the similarities in that photo and aren't you just a little interested? Perhaps the ancestors of the NA's kept on migrating east finally stopping in northwest Russia. | |
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Nergal
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| Native American Spirituality
Posted: 7/6/2008 2:23:06 AM | | The problem is that any small scale settlement such as Vinland would have had minimal effect on the native American population. Either in terms of DNA or culturally. The North American continent is huge. It took the mass immigration of many thousands of Europeans to set up a power base capable of destroying the native culture. To my mind it ranks alongside Hitler's Holocaust. The Canadian goverment has recently had allegations of attempted genocide against native peoples. The Spanish, and the Catholic Church, are certainly guilty of genocide in South America. And the aboriginal people of Australia are still oppressed. No amount of looking at DNA records and saying that great granny was a squaw so the culture lives on in me is going to excuse that. I wonder how many white Americans would proclaim their ancestry as proudly if it showed they were descended from African slaves? | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 5:19:43 AM | | I claim to know nothing about Native American Spirituality. But when I got sick I started going to the Library and looking up what herbs they used before we got here and screwed that up to. Not much information was found due to the fact it was keep from the white man as long as possible. I had to go to a book on the Shakers herbs next best thing to Native American knowledge on herbs. I also want to find my real blood family. I was born in Germany and brought to America through adoption. I have never been back to Germany .I dont care much for German ways or food or anything I just want to find real relatives. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 1:54:50 PM | | Chiny, yes, they all have mogolian features with the eyes. Same with some Russians. I think there are still tribes called Laplanders that exist. | |
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